[00:03] <xubuntu784> hello
[00:42] <buddies_server> Anyone here that can help with network issues?
[00:42] <knome> !anyone | buddies_server
[00:43] <buddies_server> How do I fix internet access in xubuntu 12.04?
[00:47] <knome> what internet access? what's the problem with it?
[01:09] <ateam> hello all :)
[01:10] <David-A> !hello | welcome ateam and:
[01:10] <David-A> hmm
[01:11] <David-A> hello ateam, do you have a problem, or just hanging around?
[01:12] <ateam> hangin around
[01:12] <ateam> haven't been on IRC in quite a while
[01:12] <ateam> stopped by #2600
[01:13] <ateam> figured i'd come by here, since i've recently been using Xubuntu on my laptop
[01:13] <ateam> 13.10
[01:13] <David-A> nice
[01:14] <ateam> so far, i'm a big fan, with the exception of the bug that makes the sound mixer in the notification area nonfunctional
[01:14] <ateam> i fixed it using a solution found online
[01:14] <ateam> i'm just shocked that it
[01:14] <ateam> 's listed under "known issues"
[01:14] <ateam> and wasn't addressed for the final release
[01:15] <ateam> also had a problem with networking not reconnection upon awakening from a hibernate or suspended state
[01:15] <ateam> but i came up with a solution for that which works great
[01:17] <ateam> just threw a script into /etc/pm/sleep.d/ that does a "pkill NetworkManager" upon awakening
[02:10] <Montyy> Hey guys, I have a quick question... I would like to setup two monitors with laptop lid closed, but when I change the setting "when laptop lid is closed:" to Do Nothing, it still puts the laptop to sleep.
[02:21] <Montyy> Anyone?
[02:21] <Unit193> Montyy: Check /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[02:24] <Montyy> Unit193: Its set to ignore
[02:25] <Montyy> #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes
[02:26] <Unit193> 1. Wrong option.  2. Commented out.  3. HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[02:27] <Unit193> makimac|afk: Please don't use away nicks...
[02:39] <Montyy> Sorry unit got distracted, but it says I don't have permission
[03:20] <makimac|afk> Unit193: what happened?
[03:21] <Unit193> !away
[03:22] <makimac|afk> ok, thanks for the info, i didn't know that, again sorry for clogging the channel
[04:48] <Tetragonos> hello?
[04:48] <holstein> Tetragonos: hello
[04:50] <Tetragonos> I need help installing xbuntu and cant find good instructions to install
[04:51] <cfhowlett> !install|Tetragonos,
[04:51] <Tetragonos> thanks!
[04:52] <holstein> Tetragonos: if you know how to make the installation media, and boot it, and have somewhere to install it, there really isnt much to note
[04:52] <holstein> the installer will walk you through a standard install
[04:56] <Tetragonos> yeah I am not very good at this stuff trying to get started with linux. My dad however is good at this stuff and suggested xbuntu
[04:56] <Tetragonos> step by step instructions I can do
[04:56] <Tetragonos> When people just mention a process on the other hand...
[04:57] <holstein> sure.. but, in many cases, it depends on the use case
[04:57] <Tetragonos> yep, well the nice thing is I have a CF-29 toughbook that I need for nothing so if I ruin my data no big deal just start again
[04:57] <holstein> the overall process of creating installation media, booting it, and installing is pretty generic... though, those steps may have certain situational variable you may need to address
[04:57] <Tetragonos> yep and that is the fun
[04:58] <Tetragonos> I am learning
[05:10] <cfhowlett> Tetragonos, here's a tip.  make backups of important stuff.  have fun.
[07:30] <xubuntu462> hello
[07:31] <xubuntu462> what is a password of Voyager 13.10
[07:31] <xubuntu462> what is a password of Voyager 13.10
[07:34] <koegs> xubuntu462: voyager is not supported here, you should ask the developers of voyager
[07:34] <xubuntu462> they are not offering chat facility and they are french so there is also problem for
[08:25] <Wizard> o/
[08:26] <teisei> Hello everybody!
[08:45] <teisei> Does anybody have an idea how to configure a so-called rapid fire button to function like a normal mouse button?
[08:47] <Wizard> teisei: Does it actually work as a mouse button? :)
[08:47] <Wizard> You can check it with xev for example.
[09:27] <bosnjak> hi
[09:27] <knome> hello
[09:27] <bosnjak> when an application provides the "Start on system boot" option, where does it enable this, what file does it write to?
[09:30] <Wizard> bosnjak: Hi, depends on application.
[09:30] <bosnjak> i see it in the Settings->Session and Startup->Application autostart, but where is that actually?
[09:30] <bosnjak> Wizard: how does Settings know then?
[09:30] <Wizard> Ah, that kind of app.
[09:30] <bosnjak> Wizard: what is "that kind" of app? :)
[09:31] <Wizard> They store *.desktop files somewhere in ~/.config. It's standard and default, that's how they know.
[09:31] <Wizard> I belive it's something like .config/autorun or autolaunch.
[09:31] <bosnjak> Wizard: autostart it seems
[09:31] <bosnjak> Wizard: yes, you were right
[09:31]  * Wizard feels so proud.
[09:32] <cfhowlett> bosnjak, see this: ${XDG_CONFIG_DIRS}/autostart/
[09:32] <cfhowlett>     This is the location where the list of applications that should be automatically run on login is stored. Each autostarted application is represented by a .desktop file (see the Desktop Entry Specification for details).
[09:32] <cfhowlett> under xfce help menu
[09:32] <bosnjak> cfhowlett: i see
[09:33] <bosnjak> cfhowlett: so if I want my app to autostart, i just add a file there? why are there so many ways to autostart?
[09:33] <cfhowlett> bosnjak, sepcifically xfce 4 session manager.
[09:33] <bosnjak> cfhowlett: huh? so this is xfce specific?
[09:33] <cfhowlett> bosnjak, yep, xfce specific.
[09:34] <bosnjak> cfhowlett: hmm, i just installed an application that set itself to run at boot. how did it know what to do to achieve that? I could have installed it in gnome or kde?
[09:35] <cfhowlett> bosnjak, just a bit above my head.  I would imagine there might be app specific configurations in play.
[09:35] <bosnjak> cfhowlett: ok, thanks! :)
[09:37] <Wizard> bosnjak: He's actually not right ;P
[09:37] <bosnjak> Wizard: enlighten us :D
[09:37]  * cfhowlett grabs popcorn and watches intently.
[09:37] <bosnjak> :)
[09:37] <Wizard> It is not xfce speciffic, it is defined in some freedesktop specs (here, he was right).
[09:38] <Wizard> I'm sure gnome follows that at least.
[09:38] <Wizard> If it comes about setting CDG_CONFIG_DIRS, I belive this is XFCE speciffic ;]
[09:38] <Wizard> XDG*
[09:39] <Wizard> Since, iirc, XDG_CONFG_DIRS may contain a list. Besides, particular desktop doesn't actually have to set this, it only has to follow this.
[09:39] <bosnjak> firstly, i never heard of freedesktop, but it sure sound to be what is needed :)
[09:40] <cfhowlett> bosnjak, the confusion is understandable.  smack my head for not expressing that on XUBUNTU, the settings can be found at ...       Other desktops have their own way of getting the job done
[09:41] <Wizard> Freedesktop is a set of standards defined when KDE and GNOME started to cooperate instead of having useless arguments ;)
[09:41] <Wizard> Most major desktops follow these standards, like for example when you install icon theme you can use it in XFCE, LXDE, GNOME, KDE and RazorQt ;)
[09:42] <Wizard> Freedesktop also covers some small but important projects, notably dbus.
[09:42] <bosnjak> hm, so these standards, do they describe a way something should be done, or the way to gain info about how is something done? If i make myself clear?
[09:42] <Wizard> Both, actually.
[09:43] <bosnjak> Wizard: ah, i see. So ~/.config/autostart on XFCE could be something else on GNOME, but it has to provide a standardized way for the application to find out how its done? Per se..
[09:44] <Wizard> But in many places these documents allow things like "in this case implementations may use sane default"
[09:44] <Wizard> bosnjak: Nope, it can't be.
[09:44] <Wizard> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
[09:44] <Wizard> Look here.
[09:44] <Wizard> It defines precisly where to look for these files and what to do with them.
[09:45] <bosnjak> Wizard: ah, i see. cool
[09:45] <Wizard> So, if you launch gnome, your app should also start with it.
[09:45] <bosnjak> Wizard: nice :)
[09:46] <Wizard> Not so very long ago I was writing java implementation for this. That was a nightmare ;P
[09:51] <bosnjak> Wizard: so this is quite new
[09:51] <Wizard> Well, not so very new. As far as I remember, oldes specs are around 10 years old now.
[09:55] <bosnjak> aw, thats not new at all :)
[09:55] <Wizard> And KDE still doesn't follow some of them</troll>
[09:56] <bosnjak> Wizard: well, in its due time i guess
[09:56] <bosnjak> Wizard: it would be nice to see a higher compatibility and standardization between distributions/DEs'
[09:56] <Wizard> It is high.
[09:57] <bosnjak> Wizard: probably. could be better?
[09:57] <Wizard> Thanks to these standards, obviously. And things allways could be better.
[09:58] <Wizard> Like for example, there could be one, default X toolkit, not 20.
[09:58] <l57> xubuntu-devel
[09:58] <Wizard> And if it comes about UNIX desktop, there could be common UX guidelines.
[10:01] <bosnjak> Wizard: as far as i can see, linux is advancing rapidly these days. Probably thanks to mobile platforms :) And now the gaming is shifting to linux via Steam/Valve. Should be interesting
[10:01] <Wizard> I keep hearing about this since long time ;P
[10:01] <bosnjak> Wizard:  :D
[10:02] <Wizard> Take a look at 2001 Corel Linux for example.
[10:02] <cfhowlett> yes THIS will the year of the linux desktop!
[10:02] <l57> irc.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <Wizard> And tell me, what's the difference between this and current xubuntu?
[10:02] <cfhowlett> l57, you're ON irc ubuntu now.  Have you  a support question?
[10:03] <bosnjak> Wizard: not sure, i only see pictures :) haven't tried it. What IS the diff?
[10:03] <Wizard> bosnjak: (We're going a bit offtopic)
[10:04] <Wizard> bosnjak: Well, technology. Core used latest KDE in it's time, slightly adjusted.
[10:04] <Wizard> Corel*
[10:04] <bosnjak> Wizard: yea, sorry for offtopic :)
[10:04] <Wizard> It was simple to install, pretty easy to use and so on.
[10:04] <Wizard> Had an online updater.. Was based on Debain. Failed terribly.
[10:05] <Wizard> bosnjak: #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:05] <bosnjak> ok
[10:05] <Wizard> If you'd like to continue this chat ;0
[10:56] <silentworks> hello, im new to xubuntu. wheres a good place to start to learn how to use the command line properly?
[10:56] <silentworks> and yes.... i am reading the f****** manual
[10:57] <cfhowlett_> silentworks, free download "the ubuntu pocketguide"
[10:58] <silentworks> do i run that as a command?
[10:58] <silentworks> or just google search
[10:58] <cfhowlett_> silentworks, google away
[10:59] <silentworks> i am in the midst of reading this
[10:59] <silentworks> http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
[10:59] <silentworks> dont know if it has holes of info missing though
[11:01] <cfhowlett_> silentworks, it does.  all such guides do.  the trick is to learn the basic and how to effectively "man" before you press "enter"
[11:03] <Myrtti> advanced bash guide used to be in the repositories
[11:04] <cfhowlett_> Myrtti, hmm.  might be worth a quick search in the software center, though I bet linux.org has some nice freebies as well.
[11:06] <bazhang> !abs
[11:06] <cfhowlett_> bazhang, nice!
[11:08] <silentworks> its in package manager
[11:08] <silentworks> installing now
[11:08] <silentworks> thankyou veyr much guys
[11:08] <silentworks> major help
[11:09] <bazhang> np
[11:11] <silentworks> since im so new at xubuntu, i'm not sure how i go about launching/finding abs-guide
[11:11] <bazhang> prehaps alt f2 abs-guide
[11:11] <Myrtti> I think you'll just find it in your filesystem, and read it with browser
[11:14] <silentworks> would it be in a particular folder?
[11:14] <silentworks> i cant seem to find abs-guide
[11:14] <silentworks> in file system
[11:15] <silentworks> noob status over here
[11:21] <Myrtti> /usr/share/doc/abs-guide/html/
[11:25] <silentworks> cool
[11:25] <silentworks> thank you
[11:25] <silentworks> off i gp
[13:12] <nonuby> any idea how to solve the graphic problems on a kvm guest (http://i.imgur.com/kSQIhPX.png) it is same weather I connect via key-video-mouse emulation or the nomachine nx client/server
[13:25] <GridCube> nonuby, have you tried disabling composition?
[15:03] <aicasn> is it possible to list all the *installed* packages from a given repository?  i want to find out if i have repos in my refresh list that don't need to be there anymore
[15:14] <knome> meeting in 45 mins.
[15:37] <bosnjak> when installing via apt-get, why do some packages ask for my confirmation, whilst others just install?
[15:39] <GridCube> some might requiere you to choose from options
[15:39] <Wizard> I belive that if a package doesn't have any conflicts/dependencies it is installed right awya.
[15:39] <Wizard> away*
[15:40] <Wizard> If it does install deps, apt-get asks for confirmation.
[15:40] <knome> no guesses!
[15:40] <Wizard> OK :(
[15:40] <knome> you always need to enter the password, until it's remembered
[15:40] <knome> (that is, once you type it, it's remembered for some time for your convenience)
[15:40] <Wizard> knome: He rather meant [Y/n]
[15:40] <knome> ah
[15:40] <knome> confirmation...
[15:41]  * knome shuts down
[15:41] <Wizard> Nooooo
[15:41] <knome> yeah, if it pulls in other packages, it'll ask for confirmation
[15:41] <knome> if it's just that package it just installs
[15:41] <knome> that's correct
[15:41] <knome> (notice, i'm not really shutting up even if i tell you so)
[15:41]  * Wizard turns knome on again.
[15:43] <bosnjak> Wizard, knome: thanks, thats what i thought
[15:46] <aicasn> is it possible to list all the *installed* packages from a given repository?  i want to find out if i have repos in my refresh list that don't need to be there anymore
[15:47] <bosnjak> aicasn: you can get the source of the package by: dpkg -s <package_name>
[15:47] <bosnjak> aicasn: shouldn't be too hard to make a script that does what you want
[15:47] <Wizard> o_O
[15:48] <aicasn> magicCommand <repo>   that spits out "<repo> provided the following installed packages:" ...
[15:49] <bosnjak> aicasn: well, maybe this answers your question: http://serverfault.com/questions/252333/list-all-packages-from-a-repository-in-ubuntu-debian
[15:50] <Wizard> bosnjak: He meant *installed* packages
[15:50] <aicasn> yeah i saw that. it will show which packages are _available_
[15:50] <aicasn> yes, Wizard
[15:50] <bosnjak> ah, i see
[15:50] <bosnjak> aicasn: couldn't you do diff? :D
[15:50] <Wizard> Not exactly ;)
[15:51] <bosnjak> Wizard: why
[15:51] <Wizard> Nah, I don't have any ubuntu around at the moment, unfortunately.
[15:51] <Wizard> bosnjak: Because there is more than two repos? :P
[15:51] <bosnjak> no, i mean for each repo, diff it with the packages you have installed
[15:53] <Wizard> Nah, to much work ;)
[15:53] <Wizard> Or maybe not so very much?
[15:53] <Wizard> aicasn: You have one option already.
[15:54] <aicasn> maybe. i don't have enough knowledge to do something like that though
[15:54] <aicasn> it sounds complicated
[15:55] <bosnjak> aicasn: wait a second, maybe i put something together
[15:56] <aicasn> nah you don't need to do that, bosnjak. i thought there might be something already in existance that could sort installed packages by repo
[15:56] <aicasn> doesn't sound like that strange of a request to me
[15:56] <aicasn> ty though
[15:57] <bosnjak> aicasn: it is possible that it exists, but i don't know about it
[16:08] <bosnjak> aicasn: maybe this can help you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88640/how-can-i-determine-which-software-repositories-are-in-active-use
[16:10] <aicasn> lol. yeah that's tecnically what i asked for, isn't it? :)
[16:10] <aicasn> *technically
[16:10] <aicasn> thanks
[16:14] <Wizard> :D
[16:15] <Wizard> Well, citing some Star Wars game.. "Solutions to problems aren't always obvious"
[16:15]  * Wizard captain obvious
[16:26] <aicasn> Wizard: yup
[16:28] <aicasn> still looking though. i failed to mention that i wanted a non-UI solution.  because 1) i want to script it for future usage and to distribute to multiple installations, 2) i hate synaptic
[18:36] <tvgdb> Hi, I'm looking for someone who could help me with my wireless adapter.
[18:37] <ObrienDave> broadcom adapter?
[18:37] <tvgdb> No, Intel
[18:59] <holstein> tvgdb: ask
[19:11] <tvgdb> srry, my wireless adapter has really bad coverage, noticably worse than in windows, i wondered if anyone had the same/similar problem
[19:12] <holstein> tvgdb: i have had that problem...
[19:12] <TheSheep> tvgdb: could be that it is in a power saving mode
[19:12] <tvgdb> how do i check?
[19:13] <tvgdb> holstein: did you manage to solve it?
[19:13] <TheSheep> I suppose ifwconfig should tell that somewhere
[19:13] <tvgdb> TheSheep: iwconfig returnes "Power Management: on", but idk if that means its in powersave
[19:14] <TheSheep> Tx-Power=15 dBm
[19:14] <tvgdb> mine is at 16
[19:14] <TheSheep> if you install powertop, I think you can use it to enable/disable power saving of various components
[19:15] <TheSheep> you coyld try that
[19:15] <TheSheep> but I'm not sure if it will help
[19:15] <tvgdb> I'll try, thanks for the suggestion
[19:16] <tvgdb> Is it ok if i report back in a sec?
[19:17] <ObrienDave> of course
[19:20] <tvgdb> TheSheep: I'm sorry, i don't know how to use powertop, could you teach me?
[19:20] <TheSheep> tvgdb: start it with sudo by typing in your terminal: sudo powertop
[19:21] <TheSheep> then press tab until you are at "Tunables"
[19:21] <TheSheep> there you can select various components and enable or disable power management in them by pressing enter
[19:21] <TheSheep> you want to find "Wireless Power Saving for interface XXXX"
[19:22] <tvgdb> My wifi adapter currently says 'Good', should i change it to 'Bad'?
[19:22] <TheSheep> yes
[19:22] <TheSheep> bad is the new good ;)
[19:23] <tvgdb> Whats the difference between bad & good? in powertop i mean ;)
[19:23] <TheSheep> "good" means that it is in a state optimal for saving power
[19:24] <tvgdb> oh, ok. so i changed it to 'bad', and pressed escape, that saves the settings, right?
[19:26] <tvgdb> Its not getting any better :(
[19:29] <tvgdb> TheSheep, you there?
[19:32] <TheSheep> tvgdb: yes, but I don't have any other ideas to try
[19:33] <tvgdb> Oh, pitty, thanks anyway!
[19:33] <tvgdb> Anyone else have an idea why my wifi card's range is not as much as in windows?
[19:33] <holstein> im the kind of guy who tries many live CD's to see what different kernels do
[19:33] <holstein> tvgdb: its really irrelevant the windows support comparison..
[19:34] <holstein> tvgdb: the drivers are different
[19:36] <tvgdb> I searched online, the drivers should be included in XUbuntu (iwlwifi)
[19:37] <holstein> tvgdb: sure.. and intel is usually good about support, and the driver seems to be included.. but the performance is not great
[19:38] <tvgdb> My driver is included since kernel version 3.2, according to the http://wireless.kernel.org/ site
[19:38] <tvgdb> So there is no way to improve my range?
[19:38] <holstein> tvgdb: you can try live CD's with potentially older or newer versions to easily troubleshoot
[19:39] <tvgdb> I had Ubuntu some months ago, and i don't remember the wireless range being less than in windows, but the drivers haven't changed since
[19:39] <holstein> tvgdb: there may be some way for the driver maintainer to inprove that.. or it could be configuration.. you can also try the windows driver
[19:39] <holstein> tvgdb: the kernel has changed since, if you are running a newer version
[19:39] <tvgdb> so downgrading my kernel is a possibility?
[19:40] <holstein> tvgdb: what i would do is, test with a live CD that has the older kernel, such as 12.04... then, you can see, easily, if that is a neccessary, or potentially helpful option
[19:40] <tvgdb> I'll try that, thank you!
[20:34] <bosnjak> i am trying to build an application. I get the following message: http://pastebin.com/vgnvTczH - it means what it means and i understand that. So i download the source of libsrtp and the patch. I patch the source and compile it. What do i do next? If i instal it, it doesn't resolve the error. I have a previously installed libsrtp0. Not sure if i should remove something before or what? How do I make configure use the newly built library?
[20:39] <PiiiRKO> hi folks..
[20:42] <bosnjak> hi PiiiRKO
[20:47] <PiiiRKO> I just want to shout, I am very satisfied with my xubuntu! :))
[20:54] <octocodercat> Hello!
[20:55] <aicasn> hello octocodercat
[20:56] <bosnjak>  what does it mean when "dpkg -s <package>" says in the right column: deinstall
[20:56]  * octocodercat wishes that APT didn't take so long to update sometimes =_=
[21:04]  * octocodercat rages
[21:11] <bosnjak> octocodercat: do you use the nearest sources?
[21:13] <Wizard> Xubuntu PPC, try 13 :/
[21:16] <octocodercat> bosnjak: Yeah. I wonder if the ~%10 packet loss my ISP gives me would slow it down much
[21:16] <Wizard> :D
[21:22] <bosnjak> octocodercat: 10% sounds like a lot :)
[21:28] <octocodercat> It is :P
[21:28] <Wizard> Is there any wat to enable horizontal two-finger scrolling?
[21:28] <Wizard> (preferably without xinput magic)
[21:29] <Wizard> I've just found it in settings :/
[21:29] <bosnjak> Wizard: turn your monitor to the side and your video output also.
[21:29] <bosnjak> Wizard: nvm
[21:30] <Wizard> Thanks for pretty useful hint, bosnjak.
[21:30] <bosnjak> Wizard: np, anytime