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iBelievemhall119: ping regarding contributing to the shell and platform00:52
mhall119iBelieve: pong01:03
mhall119iBelieve: it's a bit late, but let's see who's around01:04
mhall119ogra_ sergiusens and rsalveti are all involved with the platform side of things around Touch01:05
iBelievemhall119: is the European working time better? I can come back then01:05
mhall119Saviq is the development manager for Unity 801:05
rsalvetifor platform related questions I can probably help01:05
mhall119iBelieve: we can see who's still around, but it is definitely more active in here earlier in the day01:05
mhall119rsalveti: hey there, iBelieve would like to find out where and how he can get involved with developing more than just apps01:06
rsalvetiright, there are a bunch of projects and areas that are part of the core os01:07
rsalvetithe android container, hybris and usage of the android hal, basic services such as telephony, multimedia, etc01:07
rsalvetikernel, mir :-)01:07
mhall119iBelieve: do you want to be involved in shell and platform services stuff?01:08
mhall119or lower level than that?01:08
iBelievemhall119: anything in QML and Qt sounds interesting01:08
mhall119right, so Unity 8 is a big area where those contributions are needed01:09
iBelievemhall119: maybe the shell, SDK, etc.01:09
iBelievemhall119: unity8 would be very interesting to work on01:09
mhall119http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ has instructions for that01:09
mhall119bzoltan, Mirv and Kaleo can tell you where contributions to the SDK itself can be made01:10
mhall119I know they have a lot of components they'd like to see developed, and not enough time to do it themselves01:10
iBelievemhall119: should I set up unity8 for development and then come back during the European working hours?01:11
mhall119iBelieve: yeah, it doesn't take long to setup a local unity8 dev environment01:12
mhall119if you join #ubuntu-unity tomorrow in European time, you can talk to more of the devs there01:12
iBelievemhall119: it might with our internet speeds :)01:12
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TechieElfAnyone here have a spare Xt907 that they can test my port with?02:00
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ivost2I am trying to port UT to unsupported device - inforce ifc6410 (uses S4 snapdragon / msm8610).02:29
ivost2I can build from CodeAurora source OK and followed CM instructions to create new directories and files, edited manifest and local_manifests etc.02:29
ivost2The device shows on the lunch menu, but when selected I see "device not found" error.02:29
ivost2Device msm8960 not found. Attempting to retrieve device repository from CyanogenMod Github (http://github.com/CyanogenMod) ...02:29
ivost2** Don't have a product spec for: 'msm8960'02:29
ivost2** Do you have the right repo manifest?02:29
ivost2What am I missing? Is there anyway to "supply" the kernel (I edited configs according to instructions) to trusty?02:29
ivost2I am unable to find more details about UT -  android "magic"...02:29
cjohnston/`/102:37
* homestar ...02:39
TechieElfivost2: The msm8960 isn't a device. If I am not mistaken, it's the board.03:00
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Mirvmhall119: if you mean the Qt Creator, https://code.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu04:55
AskUbuntuCan i install Ubuntu on bada os of Samsung Wave 2 S8530? | http://askubuntu.com/q/37729605:33
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dholbachgood morning08:03
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy PlayStation 4 Release Day! :-D09:38
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davmor2Morning all10:28
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timppaare there known problems on GSM todays build on trusty?12:14
timppaJust updated and cannot call anymore12:14
popeyi can12:15
popeyon mako12:15
timppaHmm, I'm on nexus 412:15
timppa/usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-context shows only ril_012:17
timppadunno if it should show something else also12:18
davmor2timppa: I can on maguro (gnex)12:18
timppadavmor2, popey, Can you check what the list-context shows on your devices?12:21
popeybash: /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-context: No such file or directory12:22
timppaok12:22
popeysorry, yes12:22
popeyplural contexts12:22
popeytimppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420912/12:22
davmor2timppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420913/12:23
davmor2popey: that's impressed me consecutive numbers that never happens normally :)12:24
timppascripts/get-operators dies on error, org.ofono.NetworkRegistration doesn'r exist12:24
popeyworks here12:24
ogra_timppa, does your SIM use a PIN ... did you unlock after rebooting ?12:24
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6420921/12:24
ogra_(or could it be that you ran out of credit)12:25
davmor2works for me to I rang my house phone12:25
timppaI don't have a pin and it's a company sim12:26
timppahopefully it's paid.. :D12:26
timppahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6420935/12:28
timppaany ideas except flashing with -1??12:31
timppaok, I enabled wireless, then I got signal again12:32
timppanow /usr/share/ofono/scripts/get-operators works also12:33
timppa3G data works also12:33
timppaI try disabling the WLAN again and reboot12:34
timppaOk, same thing, no signal (there actually is no text "no signal") Only WLAN icon12:36
ogra_how does your battery look like btw ?12:37
ogra_might be a low power issue12:37
asacwho owns ubuntu-touch-meta?12:37
ogra_asac, phonedations12:37
asacis that phonedations right now?12:37
asacok thx12:37
asacogra_: is that in a bzr tree?12:37
ogra_but any core dev in fact12:37
timppaAfter enabling wireless nothing happens but after I select the correct wireless network, immediately No Signal text appears and if a second I get GSM coverage12:37
asacor produced from a seed?12:37
didrocksseed12:37
timppaogra_: 93%12:37
ogra_asac, its a generation script inside a source deb12:38
ogra_it uses the seed to produce its binaries12:38
timppaif == in12:38
asacwhy is there no sdk-libs-common for things that we ship on all archs?12:39
asace.g. what script framework are we using?12:39
ogra_asac, no idea, ask xnox he designed the re-organized seeds12:39
timppaShould I file a bug on this?12:40
asackk thx12:40
ogra_asac, but i guess common would be arch: all ... that wouldnt make much sense12:40
ogra_since meta produces for all arches anyway12:40
asacogra_: iw ould think -all would be all12:40
asacand -common would be the common parts of any :)12:40
asachehe12:40
ogra_(so you would have a ßcommon for each arch=12:40
asacnot sure :) ... not important anyway for me12:41
* asac moves on12:41
asacogra_: is there no bzr tree?12:42
asacjust the self-evolving package?12:42
ogra_nops, wouldnt make much sense12:42
ogra_meta doesnt usually change through a release12:42
xnoxasac: I'm sorry, can you explain a bit more? sdk-libs => things that should ship on the target & to developers, sdk-libs-dev => things that should ship to compile (or cross-compile, e.g. .h), sdk => things that should ship to developers (e.g. QtCreator, documentation, demos)12:42
xnoxasac: so e.g. script frameworks (html5/js) should be part of sdk-libs, as it should be present on the target images and at compile time and during development.12:43
xnoxasac: note that sdk, depends on both sdk-libs-dev and sdk-libs. sdk-libs-dev depends on sdk-libs.12:43
asacxnox: isnt important as i said. just saw that we duplicate data in -i386 and -armhf and thought there might be a way to rather have a single file for those that should be on all target archs12:43
asacbut not important :)12:43
ogra_asac, the seed is the single file ... its a set of deps anyway that the meta produces ... there is no beef inside the binary packages ... just deps12:44
xnoxasac: package itself can be _all.deb & seeded into sdk-libs =) which one did you spot which was arch:any instead of arch:all?12:44
asacxnox: for one:12:45
asacgrep qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin sdk-libs-i386 sdk-libs-armhf12:45
asacsdk-libs-i386:qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin12:45
asacsdk-libs-armhf:qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin12:45
xnoxdon't they have compiled.so inside them?12:45
* xnox looks at the contents.12:45
asacfor me the contents dont matter :)12:45
asacjkust feels what we really would like to say is: we want to install qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin on all architectures12:46
ogra_thats what the meta package does for you12:46
asacso we dont need to keep -<arch> files in syunch :)12:46
ogra_based on whats in the seed12:46
asacic12:46
asacok12:46
asacyeah so missed the link to the seed12:46
xnoxasac: sdk-libs-i386 are generated from the seed. they are not maintained by hand.12:46
ogra_fii i dont add an arch field to a package in the seed, the dep will show up on all arch binaries the meta produces12:46
asacright12:46
asac:)12:46
asacthanks for explaining12:47
asachehe12:47
ogra_:)12:47
xnoxasac: don't look at meta source packages in the archive, look at branches in the http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds package.12:47
xnox=)12:47
ogra_yeah12:47
ogra_meta is just a generator that processes the seeds12:47
ogra_as i said in the beginning12:47
asacmaybe the debian/control file should somewhat refer to the bzr branch of the seed12:47
asacto express that its generated/updated with data from there12:48
xnoxhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk12:48
ogra_it does so in update.cfg12:48
xnoxhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk-libs12:48
xnoxhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk-libs-dev12:48
xnoxasac: ^ is actually where the seeds defined, which a simple one line per package name.12:48
asacogra_: thats internal info... i think its useful to also include such info in the meta info on packaging level.12:49
xnoxthe dependenices of those are expanded and meta packages dependencies generated.12:49
didrocksasac: I guess you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement#Changing_the_Seeds12:49
xnoxsuch that we seed the top-level thing. and that pulls in all the required dependencies.12:49
asacwho owns the seeds?12:50
asace.g. who approves merges?12:50
asacany core dev, rkight?12:50
ogra_for this seed phonedations12:50
ogra_any core dev could, yeah12:50
davmor2asac: the gardener /me ducks12:50
ogra_but usually phonedations gets involved12:50
asacusually feels like there are exceptionms :)12:51
ogra_which is fine12:51
didrocksI did touch this seed for instance12:51
ogra_right. lool too ... or people from foundations12:52
ogra_effectively everyone who can commit to the branch can also rebuild meta ...12:53
ogra_(and in fact should ... )12:53
ogra_asac, i think the missing bzr entry in control is simply caused by the fact that there is no control field for such a thing ...12:54
ogra_the existing ones would point to upstream or packaging bzr trees, neither would be correct here12:54
ogra_we would have to define a new "X-Bzr-Generates-from:" or some such12:55
ogra_which seems overkill for such a specific thing ... and puts way to much importance into that package12:55
ogra_asac, btw, the masterplan here was to finally merge the seeds with desktop and have one tree and one meta12:56
ogra_(but that only works once we have all pieces in main/supported)12:57
ogra_s/with desktop/with server and desktop/12:57
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mzanetticjwatson: ping13:09
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MirvSaviq: did you have that QtC 3.0 branch somewhere? I'm hitting an error of missing private/qlistmodelinterface_p.h with qmlpuppet compiling and wondering if you saw that13:16
MirvSaviq: ok, it might have been my build env having also qt4 in it but in case you did some non-trivial modifications I could take a look anyhow13:18
SaviqMirv, hmm can't push to kubuntu-packagers, pushing to +junk now13:21
Saviqah wait, lp:~unity-team/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-30 seems to work13:21
SaviqMirv, it doesn't actually build due to some docs issue that I haven't investigated yet13:22
SaviqMirv, looked like an upstream problem (docs referencing non-existent doc file)13:22
MirvSaviq: thanks, checking out. sounds like an issue I already fixed in qtbase.13:23
SaviqMirv, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6421157/13:23
MirvSaviq: yep, just that, it should go past that already just by having updated qtbase from PPA13:24
SaviqMirv, oh cool13:24
Saviqtrying13:24
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SaviqMirv, just finished pushing13:26
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MirvSaviq: thanks, grabbing your patch refreshes for those patches I didn't touch yet13:30
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SaviqMirv, you probably want to drop some of them13:30
SaviqMirv, or maybe when we switch to 5.2, that is13:30
MirvSaviq: yep, I dropped the workaround one and it's possible the botan patch isn't needed anymore13:31
cjwatsonmzanetti: I'm at a conference - I'd appreciate it if you could leave a proper message rather than pinging and waiting for me to respond, as my availability is patchy13:43
mzanetticjwatson: ok. no problem. this is a bigger discussion. We'll file a bug and we can discuss when you get to it.13:43
SaviqMirv, /bin/sh: 1: gdb: not found13:47
Saviq/bin/sh: 1: test: -gt: unexpected operator13:47
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SaviqMirv, I've seen such from time to time13:47
SaviqMirv, but not sure whether the solution is to actually add gdb to build deps?13:48
MirvSaviq: look further back in the log, I'd guess that's not the real problem. I've seen that too.13:49
SaviqMirv, right, -j9...13:50
MirvI got the same error again13:50
SaviqMirv, interesting, "fatal error: private/qlistmodelinterface_p.h"13:50
SaviqMirv, might be I never got to that point before13:51
Saviqalthough I assumed docs were built after that13:51
SaviqMirv, want me to investigate?13:51
MirvSaviq: ok, we're getting the same then. feel free to give it a try. is it in the 'qt4' something file? maybe it shouldn't be compiled at all.13:53
SaviqMirv, qt4rendernodeinstanceserver.cpp yeah13:53
Saviqand qt4informationnodeinstanceserver.cpp13:53
MirvI'm going to stop at it for now but I merged your patch refreshes to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator13:55
SaviqMirv, cheers13:56
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SaviqMirv, uh... https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/commit/7daab8039abc32ab5be5706a08cb58905fe0e0b614:03
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SaviqMirv, that whole thing was removed in July last year...14:04
SaviqMirv, so yeah, it looks like it shouldn't be built with Qt >= 5.014:05
mterryogra_, hello!  Do you have time to look at an upstart job change in unity8 for sanity?14:15
mterry(or know someone who does?)14:15
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ogra_mterry, sure14:24
mterryogra_, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/set-mir-socket/+merge/19496314:25
mterryogra_, thanks!14:25
ogra_mterry, looks fine on first sight ... probably xnox could also take a look14:26
xnoxmterry: looks fine.14:28
mterryogra_, xnox: fair enough, thanks!14:28
mterrySaviq, ^14:28
mterryMacSlow, so can you give me a refresher on how notifications work in Touch?  The symptom I'm seeing is that from python, a notification.show() will timeout.  Which components does that call go through?  Is unity8 the notification daemon?14:40
MacSlowmterry, no... unity8 just is the "renderer"-part of the whole notification-story... lp:unity-notifications is the core queue-logic (backend-part)14:41
MacSlowmterry, do you see any notifications at all on your test-system or just not the ones you trigger?14:42
MacSlowmterry, mind to share the python-code you use to try to trigger it?14:42
mterryMacSlow, it's just the unity8 test_notifications.py autopilot suite14:42
mterryMacSlow, is there an easy way to trigger a notification with my fingers?14:43
MacSlowmterry, hm... send yourself a sms to the phone14:43
MacSlowmterry, or call yourself14:43
mterryhmm, ok, will try that14:44
MacSlowmterry, if you run unity8 on the desktop via the run-script... the best option there is to use any of the examples from lp:unity-notifications14:44
MacSlowmterry, you got to have that (unity-notifications) installed too on your system for this to work14:45
mterryMacSlow, I'm not trusting desktop results right now.  Too much of the Mir nesting code is different on android for me to believe I'm testing the right code paths14:45
mterryMacSlow, but I suppose I could do the same on my n414:45
MacSlowmterry, ok... still you could use the examples from lp:unity-notifications on the phone directly... and trigger them via a remote shell... I use that often14:46
MacSlowmterry, maybe I should write a small notification-test-app and make it a click-packages... that might be the most convenient solution for everybody not directly involved14:46
MacSlowwith notification development14:47
MacSlowmterry, just ping me if you still run into issues14:47
mterryMacSlow, OK, thanks14:50
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alexkhi everyone14:58
alexki'd like to modify the environment so that an application comes up on power-up of ubuntu touch. Can anyone offer some hints or documentation to get me started in doing that?14:59
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mterryogra_, do any of the touch images we generate have mir disabled by default?  Or is that always an extra step that a user will have to do if they want it?15:01
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cwaynemterry, AFAIK it's still disabled on manta15:08
mterrycwayne, by default?  How do we do that?  Does phablet-flash delete the .display-mir file or something?15:09
cwaynemterry, not sure tbh15:10
mterrycwayne, thanks anyway, that's a lead15:10
ogra_mterry, the .display-mir files gets put in place on first boot15:14
ogra_manta doesnt do that15:14
ogra_*file15:14
loolwow, hard laptop freeze15:14
loolfirst time this happens in months; usually it's death by swap15:14
mterryogra_, ah...  I see in boot-hooks/set-display-mir.conf15:15
mterryogra_, thanks!15:15
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didrocksmhall119: oh, FYI, the status isn't visible on my screen15:34
didrocksorange on red I guess15:34
didrocksmhall119: ok, done and scheduled now. Thanks!15:35
mhall119didrocks: yeah, I the client track color clashes, we can pick a lighter shade15:36
mhall119thanks didrocks15:36
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dpmcwayne, you might have noticed I've added you to the reminders-app-dev team in LP - I wanted the evernote plugin to be part of core apps project group and available for installation in the core apps PPA. I've created a project for it and given the evernote app devs ownership, and I've added you as well so that you've got the same permissions15:47
dpmdoes that work for you?15:47
cwaynedpm, sure!15:48
dpmawesome, thanks!15:48
cwaynedpm, ah, you already pushed the code up :)15:48
dpmyeah :)15:49
cwaynedpm, is it int he ppa yet or shall i push it?15:54
dpmcwayne, it's building in the PPA right now, I set up a daily build recipe15:55
dpmcwayne, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+builds?build_state=pending15:56
cwaynedpm, great :)15:56
rvrseb128: ping16:03
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seb128rvr, contextless ping = no reply16:09
rvrseb128: cordova-ubuntu l10n issues16:10
seb128rvr, yes? (better to just ask your question ;-)16:10
seb128rvr, like "seb128: hey, do you know how...?"16:11
rvrseb128: Haven't checked your timezone, not sure if still around :)16:11
ogra_then content in pings is even more important16:11
seb128rvr, well, I usually close IRC when I'm not, and even if I was not around the context would allow me to reply (even if it's your turn to be away then)16:12
rvrseb128: So, you use French localization and some tests fail for you, right?16:12
ogra_:)16:12
seb128rvr, hum, are you speaking about ubuntu-system-settings? you just said "cordova-ubuntu" and I've no clue what that is16:12
rvrseb128: Oh, right16:12
rvrYeah, System Settings16:13
seb128right, a third of the tests fail in french16:13
seb128let me do a run so I can copy an error16:13
seb128rvr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6421958/16:16
rvrHmmm... UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe8' in position 100: ordinal not in range(128)16:17
rvrStateNotFoundError: State not found for class '*' and filters {'objectName': 'categoryGridSystem'}.16:17
seb128rvr, or http://paste.ubuntu.com/6421962/16:17
seb128seems like an encoding issue16:17
seb128is autopilot using utf8?16:18
rvrGood question16:18
rvrreference = "V\xc3\xa9rifier l'existence de mises \xc3\xa0 jour"16:18
rvractual    = u"Vérifier l'existence de mises à jour"16:18
rvrreference is not a unicode string16:18
rvrseb128: When you open system settings, you can see the Network and System sections, right?16:21
seb128rvr, yes, they both have an accent in their french name though16:27
seb128rvr, why?16:27
rvrseb128: Oh, so maybe the objectName is now categoryGrid + _("System") :-/16:31
rvrWill also check that16:31
seb128rvr, you should be able to reproduce by using LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 btw (you need language-pack-fr to have the locale though)16:32
seb128rvr, unset LANG/LANGUAGE might also be needed16:33
rvrI was trying with set LC_ALL and didn't work16:33
rvrAha, unset LANG/LANGUAGE... thanks16:34
rvrThat's it: > objectName: categoryGridSistema16:42
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johnmindfreakso the razr lunch files for ubuntu touch anybody know where to get them????16:52
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johnmindfreakso the razr lunch files for ubuntu touch anybody know where to get them????16:52
spindleyexit17:10
dakerogra_: good or bad now :D load average: 3.52, 8.41, 7.6717:20
ogra_well, its getting winter ...17:21
ogra_surely saves some heating17:21
dakernot sure why i do still have a qwerty keyboard while i am using FR as main language17:24
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dakerkenvandine: where the code of the online accounts providers is located ?17:38
dakerfor the phone17:38
kenvandinedaker, lp:account-plugins17:47
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dakerkenvandine: i am asking because for facebook i am seeing an old html page not the HTML5 one17:50
kenvandinethat is probably because of the user agent on the phone17:51
dakerkenvandine: ya where the page is beeing called ? or a different question do you use the UbuntuWebView ?17:52
kenvandinewe are using a copied version of the UbuntuWebView in signon-ui17:53
kenvandinesignon-ui is in main, and we couldn't introduce a depends from universe17:53
dakerkenvandine: ok got it17:56
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stdhow usable is up these days?18:12
sheac12having an problem with ssh connections with touch on a nexus 10 with 13.10 installed18:32
sheac12can anyone help?18:32
sheac12I have a stock install and keep getting connection refused when ssh'ing to localhost18:32
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dakerogra_: sys settings was running then unity8 freezes then it restart itself, now it not display in the running apps section but it still running & taking 100% of the cpu http://paste.ubuntu.com/6422557/18:36
o_be_one__ee19:47
sheac12anyone have if anyone cares i had to explicitly start ssh19:50
davmor2ogra_: I'm off next week but I'll be listening in to the UDS with any joy :) Catch you in a weeks time :)19:57
ogra_davmor2, enjoy !19:57
davmor2I will :)19:58
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paugreHi there everyone! :) Just wondering if someone has some information about official support for the Google Nexus 5? Are there any plans for official ubuntu touch builds or not? Thanks!21:30
dakerhi ogra_ where can i find unity8 logs ?21:33
ogra_daker, all logs of all session apps are in ~/.local/upstart/22:00
ogra_hmm, or was it .cache22:00
ogra_yeah, actually ~/.cache/upstart/22:01
kenvandineogra_,  daker: it's .cache/upstart22:01
dakerkenvandine: right!22:02
dakernow i can make restart very easily using the signon ui22:08
mterrysforshee, poke?  you still working?  I'm looking at a patch for powerd, and trying to figure out why g_idle_add doesn't work, but g_timeout_add(0) does?22:08
mterryogra_, out of curiosity, how long are we expecting to support SurfaceFlinger mode in Touch?22:25
ogra_mterry, as long as we support ports ?23:04
mterryogra_, makes sense23:06
ogra_(well, or until Mir supports a good set of drivers ... )23:07
twagerAnyone know if ubuntu will run on a zte blade ?23:27

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