=== steve__ is now known as sbeattie === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away [00:52] mhall119: ping regarding contributing to the shell and platform [01:03] iBelieve: pong [01:04] iBelieve: it's a bit late, but let's see who's around [01:05] ogra_ sergiusens and rsalveti are all involved with the platform side of things around Touch [01:05] mhall119: is the European working time better? I can come back then [01:05] Saviq is the development manager for Unity 8 [01:05] for platform related questions I can probably help [01:05] iBelieve: we can see who's still around, but it is definitely more active in here earlier in the day [01:06] rsalveti: hey there, iBelieve would like to find out where and how he can get involved with developing more than just apps [01:07] right, there are a bunch of projects and areas that are part of the core os [01:07] the android container, hybris and usage of the android hal, basic services such as telephony, multimedia, etc [01:07] kernel, mir :-) [01:08] iBelieve: do you want to be involved in shell and platform services stuff? [01:08] or lower level than that? [01:08] mhall119: anything in QML and Qt sounds interesting [01:09] right, so Unity 8 is a big area where those contributions are needed [01:09] mhall119: maybe the shell, SDK, etc. [01:09] mhall119: unity8 would be very interesting to work on [01:09] http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ has instructions for that [01:10] bzoltan, Mirv and Kaleo can tell you where contributions to the SDK itself can be made [01:10] I know they have a lot of components they'd like to see developed, and not enough time to do it themselves [01:11] mhall119: should I set up unity8 for development and then come back during the European working hours? [01:12] iBelieve: yeah, it doesn't take long to setup a local unity8 dev environment [01:12] if you join #ubuntu-unity tomorrow in European time, you can talk to more of the devs there [01:12] mhall119: it might with our internet speeds :) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [02:00] Anyone here have a spare Xt907 that they can test my port with? === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [02:29] I am trying to port UT to unsupported device - inforce ifc6410 (uses S4 snapdragon / msm8610). [02:29] I can build from CodeAurora source OK and followed CM instructions to create new directories and files, edited manifest and local_manifests etc. [02:29] The device shows on the lunch menu, but when selected I see "device not found" error. [02:29] Device msm8960 not found. Attempting to retrieve device repository from CyanogenMod Github (http://github.com/CyanogenMod) ... [02:29] ** Don't have a product spec for: 'msm8960' [02:29] ** Do you have the right repo manifest? [02:29] What am I missing? Is there anyway to "supply" the kernel (I edited configs according to instructions) to trusty? [02:29] I am unable to find more details about UT - android "magic"... [02:37] /`/1 [02:39] * homestar ... [03:00] ivost2: The msm8960 isn't a device. If I am not mistaken, it's the board. === kalikiana_ is now known as kalikiana [04:55] mhall119: if you mean the Qt Creator, https://code.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu [05:33] Can i install Ubuntu on bada os of Samsung Wave 2 S8530? | http://askubuntu.com/q/377296 === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:03] good morning [09:38] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy PlayStation 4 Release Day! :-D === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [10:28] Morning all === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi === cyril is now known as Guest22827 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:14] are there known problems on GSM todays build on trusty? [12:14] Just updated and cannot call anymore [12:15] i can [12:15] on mako [12:15] Hmm, I'm on nexus 4 [12:17] /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-context shows only ril_0 [12:18] dunno if it should show something else also [12:18] timppa: I can on maguro (gnex) [12:21] davmor2, popey, Can you check what the list-context shows on your devices? [12:22] bash: /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-context: No such file or directory [12:22] ok [12:22] sorry, yes [12:22] plural contexts [12:22] timppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420912/ [12:23] timppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420913/ [12:24] popey: that's impressed me consecutive numbers that never happens normally :) [12:24] scripts/get-operators dies on error, org.ofono.NetworkRegistration doesn'r exist [12:24] works here [12:24] timppa, does your SIM use a PIN ... did you unlock after rebooting ? [12:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420921/ [12:25] (or could it be that you ran out of credit) [12:25] works for me to I rang my house phone [12:26] I don't have a pin and it's a company sim [12:26] hopefully it's paid.. :D [12:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6420935/ [12:31] any ideas except flashing with -1?? [12:32] ok, I enabled wireless, then I got signal again [12:33] now /usr/share/ofono/scripts/get-operators works also [12:33] 3G data works also [12:34] I try disabling the WLAN again and reboot [12:36] Ok, same thing, no signal (there actually is no text "no signal") Only WLAN icon [12:37] how does your battery look like btw ? [12:37] might be a low power issue [12:37] who owns ubuntu-touch-meta? [12:37] asac, phonedations [12:37] is that phonedations right now? [12:37] ok thx [12:37] ogra_: is that in a bzr tree? [12:37] but any core dev in fact [12:37] After enabling wireless nothing happens but after I select the correct wireless network, immediately No Signal text appears and if a second I get GSM coverage [12:37] or produced from a seed? [12:37] seed [12:37] ogra_: 93% [12:38] asac, its a generation script inside a source deb [12:38] it uses the seed to produce its binaries [12:38] if == in [12:39] why is there no sdk-libs-common for things that we ship on all archs? [12:39] e.g. what script framework are we using? [12:39] asac, no idea, ask xnox he designed the re-organized seeds [12:40] Should I file a bug on this? [12:40] kk thx [12:40] asac, but i guess common would be arch: all ... that wouldnt make much sense [12:40] since meta produces for all arches anyway [12:40] ogra_: iw ould think -all would be all [12:40] and -common would be the common parts of any :) [12:40] hehe [12:40] (so you would have a ßcommon for each arch= [12:41] not sure :) ... not important anyway for me [12:41] * asac moves on [12:42] ogra_: is there no bzr tree? [12:42] just the self-evolving package? [12:42] nops, wouldnt make much sense [12:42] meta doesnt usually change through a release [12:42] asac: I'm sorry, can you explain a bit more? sdk-libs => things that should ship on the target & to developers, sdk-libs-dev => things that should ship to compile (or cross-compile, e.g. .h), sdk => things that should ship to developers (e.g. QtCreator, documentation, demos) [12:43] asac: so e.g. script frameworks (html5/js) should be part of sdk-libs, as it should be present on the target images and at compile time and during development. [12:43] asac: note that sdk, depends on both sdk-libs-dev and sdk-libs. sdk-libs-dev depends on sdk-libs. [12:43] xnox: isnt important as i said. just saw that we duplicate data in -i386 and -armhf and thought there might be a way to rather have a single file for those that should be on all target archs [12:43] but not important :) [12:44] asac, the seed is the single file ... its a set of deps anyway that the meta produces ... there is no beef inside the binary packages ... just deps [12:44] asac: package itself can be _all.deb & seeded into sdk-libs =) which one did you spot which was arch:any instead of arch:all? [12:45] xnox: for one: [12:45] grep qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin sdk-libs-i386 sdk-libs-armhf [12:45] sdk-libs-i386:qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin [12:45] sdk-libs-armhf:qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin [12:45] don't they have compiled.so inside them? [12:45] * xnox looks at the contents. [12:45] for me the contents dont matter :) [12:46] jkust feels what we really would like to say is: we want to install qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin on all architectures [12:46] thats what the meta package does for you [12:46] so we dont need to keep - files in syunch :) [12:46] based on whats in the seed [12:46] ic [12:46] ok [12:46] yeah so missed the link to the seed [12:46] asac: sdk-libs-i386 are generated from the seed. they are not maintained by hand. [12:46] fii i dont add an arch field to a package in the seed, the dep will show up on all arch binaries the meta produces [12:46] right [12:46] :) [12:47] thanks for explaining [12:47] hehe [12:47] :) [12:47] asac: don't look at meta source packages in the archive, look at branches in the http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds package. [12:47] =) [12:47] yeah [12:47] meta is just a generator that processes the seeds [12:47] as i said in the beginning [12:47] maybe the debian/control file should somewhat refer to the bzr branch of the seed [12:48] to express that its generated/updated with data from there [12:48] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk [12:48] it does so in update.cfg [12:48] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk-libs [12:48] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.trusty/view/head:/sdk-libs-dev [12:48] asac: ^ is actually where the seeds defined, which a simple one line per package name. [12:49] ogra_: thats internal info... i think its useful to also include such info in the meta info on packaging level. [12:49] the dependenices of those are expanded and meta packages dependencies generated. [12:49] asac: I guess you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement#Changing_the_Seeds [12:49] such that we seed the top-level thing. and that pulls in all the required dependencies. [12:50] who owns the seeds? [12:50] e.g. who approves merges? [12:50] any core dev, rkight? [12:50] for this seed phonedations [12:50] any core dev could, yeah [12:50] asac: the gardener /me ducks [12:50] but usually phonedations gets involved [12:51] usually feels like there are exceptionms :) [12:51] which is fine [12:51] I did touch this seed for instance [12:52] right. lool too ... or people from foundations [12:53] effectively everyone who can commit to the branch can also rebuild meta ... [12:53] (and in fact should ... ) [12:54] asac, i think the missing bzr entry in control is simply caused by the fact that there is no control field for such a thing ... [12:54] the existing ones would point to upstream or packaging bzr trees, neither would be correct here [12:55] we would have to define a new "X-Bzr-Generates-from:" or some such [12:55] which seems overkill for such a specific thing ... and puts way to much importance into that package [12:56] asac, btw, the masterplan here was to finally merge the seeds with desktop and have one tree and one meta [12:57] (but that only works once we have all pieces in main/supported) [12:57] s/with desktop/with server and desktop/ === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [13:09] cjwatson: ping === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:16] Saviq: did you have that QtC 3.0 branch somewhere? I'm hitting an error of missing private/qlistmodelinterface_p.h with qmlpuppet compiling and wondering if you saw that [13:18] Saviq: ok, it might have been my build env having also qt4 in it but in case you did some non-trivial modifications I could take a look anyhow [13:21] Mirv, hmm can't push to kubuntu-packagers, pushing to +junk now [13:21] ah wait, lp:~unity-team/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-30 seems to work [13:22] Mirv, it doesn't actually build due to some docs issue that I haven't investigated yet [13:22] Mirv, looked like an upstream problem (docs referencing non-existent doc file) [13:23] Saviq: thanks, checking out. sounds like an issue I already fixed in qtbase. [13:23] Mirv, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6421157/ [13:24] Saviq: yep, just that, it should go past that already just by having updated qtbase from PPA [13:24] Mirv, oh cool [13:24] trying === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk [13:26] Mirv, just finished pushing === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [13:30] Saviq: thanks, grabbing your patch refreshes for those patches I didn't touch yet === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [13:30] Mirv, you probably want to drop some of them [13:30] Mirv, or maybe when we switch to 5.2, that is [13:31] Saviq: yep, I dropped the workaround one and it's possible the botan patch isn't needed anymore [13:43] mzanetti: I'm at a conference - I'd appreciate it if you could leave a proper message rather than pinging and waiting for me to respond, as my availability is patchy [13:43] cjwatson: ok. no problem. this is a bigger discussion. We'll file a bug and we can discuss when you get to it. [13:47] Mirv, /bin/sh: 1: gdb: not found [13:47] /bin/sh: 1: test: -gt: unexpected operator === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:47] Mirv, I've seen such from time to time [13:48] Mirv, but not sure whether the solution is to actually add gdb to build deps? [13:49] Saviq: look further back in the log, I'd guess that's not the real problem. I've seen that too. [13:50] Mirv, right, -j9... [13:50] I got the same error again [13:50] Mirv, interesting, "fatal error: private/qlistmodelinterface_p.h" [13:51] Mirv, might be I never got to that point before [13:51] although I assumed docs were built after that [13:51] Mirv, want me to investigate? [13:53] Saviq: ok, we're getting the same then. feel free to give it a try. is it in the 'qt4' something file? maybe it shouldn't be compiled at all. [13:53] Mirv, qt4rendernodeinstanceserver.cpp yeah [13:53] and qt4informationnodeinstanceserver.cpp [13:55] I'm going to stop at it for now but I merged your patch refreshes to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator [13:56] Mirv, cheers === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [14:03] Mirv, uh... https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/commit/7daab8039abc32ab5be5706a08cb58905fe0e0b6 === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [14:04] Mirv, that whole thing was removed in July last year... [14:05] Mirv, so yeah, it looks like it shouldn't be built with Qt >= 5.0 [14:15] ogra_, hello! Do you have time to look at an upstart job change in unity8 for sanity? [14:15] (or know someone who does?) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:24] mterry, sure [14:25] ogra_, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/set-mir-socket/+merge/194963 [14:25] ogra_, thanks! [14:26] mterry, looks fine on first sight ... probably xnox could also take a look [14:28] mterry: looks fine. [14:28] ogra_, xnox: fair enough, thanks! [14:28] Saviq, ^ [14:40] MacSlow, so can you give me a refresher on how notifications work in Touch? The symptom I'm seeing is that from python, a notification.show() will timeout. Which components does that call go through? Is unity8 the notification daemon? [14:41] mterry, no... unity8 just is the "renderer"-part of the whole notification-story... lp:unity-notifications is the core queue-logic (backend-part) [14:42] mterry, do you see any notifications at all on your test-system or just not the ones you trigger? [14:42] mterry, mind to share the python-code you use to try to trigger it? [14:42] MacSlow, it's just the unity8 test_notifications.py autopilot suite [14:43] MacSlow, is there an easy way to trigger a notification with my fingers? [14:43] mterry, hm... send yourself a sms to the phone [14:43] mterry, or call yourself [14:44] hmm, ok, will try that [14:44] mterry, if you run unity8 on the desktop via the run-script... the best option there is to use any of the examples from lp:unity-notifications [14:45] mterry, you got to have that (unity-notifications) installed too on your system for this to work [14:45] MacSlow, I'm not trusting desktop results right now. Too much of the Mir nesting code is different on android for me to believe I'm testing the right code paths [14:45] MacSlow, but I suppose I could do the same on my n4 [14:46] mterry, ok... still you could use the examples from lp:unity-notifications on the phone directly... and trigger them via a remote shell... I use that often [14:46] mterry, maybe I should write a small notification-test-app and make it a click-packages... that might be the most convenient solution for everybody not directly involved [14:47] with notification development [14:47] mterry, just ping me if you still run into issues [14:50] MacSlow, OK, thanks === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk [14:58] hi everyone [14:59] i'd like to modify the environment so that an application comes up on power-up of ubuntu touch. Can anyone offer some hints or documentation to get me started in doing that? === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [15:01] ogra_, do any of the touch images we generate have mir disabled by default? Or is that always an extra step that a user will have to do if they want it? === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [15:08] mterry, AFAIK it's still disabled on manta [15:09] cwayne, by default? How do we do that? Does phablet-flash delete the .display-mir file or something? [15:10] mterry, not sure tbh [15:10] cwayne, thanks anyway, that's a lead [15:14] mterry, the .display-mir files gets put in place on first boot [15:14] manta doesnt do that [15:14] *file [15:14] wow, hard laptop freeze [15:14] first time this happens in months; usually it's death by swap [15:15] ogra_, ah... I see in boot-hooks/set-display-mir.conf [15:15] ogra_, thanks! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:34] mhall119: oh, FYI, the status isn't visible on my screen [15:34] orange on red I guess [15:35] mhall119: ok, done and scheduled now. Thanks! [15:36] didrocks: yeah, I the client track color clashes, we can pick a lighter shade [15:36] thanks didrocks === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:47] cwayne, you might have noticed I've added you to the reminders-app-dev team in LP - I wanted the evernote plugin to be part of core apps project group and available for installation in the core apps PPA. I've created a project for it and given the evernote app devs ownership, and I've added you as well so that you've got the same permissions [15:47] does that work for you? [15:48] dpm, sure! [15:48] awesome, thanks! [15:48] dpm, ah, you already pushed the code up :) [15:49] yeah :) [15:54] dpm, is it int he ppa yet or shall i push it? [15:55] cwayne, it's building in the PPA right now, I set up a daily build recipe [15:56] cwayne, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+builds?build_state=pending [15:56] dpm, great :) [16:03] seb128: ping === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:09] rvr, contextless ping = no reply [16:10] seb128: cordova-ubuntu l10n issues [16:10] rvr, yes? (better to just ask your question ;-) [16:11] rvr, like "seb128: hey, do you know how...?" [16:11] seb128: Haven't checked your timezone, not sure if still around :) [16:11] then content in pings is even more important [16:12] rvr, well, I usually close IRC when I'm not, and even if I was not around the context would allow me to reply (even if it's your turn to be away then) [16:12] seb128: So, you use French localization and some tests fail for you, right? [16:12] :) [16:12] rvr, hum, are you speaking about ubuntu-system-settings? you just said "cordova-ubuntu" and I've no clue what that is [16:12] seb128: Oh, right [16:13] Yeah, System Settings [16:13] right, a third of the tests fail in french [16:13] let me do a run so I can copy an error [16:16] rvr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6421958/ [16:17] Hmmm... UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe8' in position 100: ordinal not in range(128) [16:17] StateNotFoundError: State not found for class '*' and filters {'objectName': 'categoryGridSystem'}. [16:17] rvr, or http://paste.ubuntu.com/6421962/ [16:17] seems like an encoding issue [16:18] is autopilot using utf8? [16:18] Good question [16:18] reference = "V\xc3\xa9rifier l'existence de mises \xc3\xa0 jour" [16:18] actual = u"Vérifier l'existence de mises à jour" [16:18] reference is not a unicode string [16:21] seb128: When you open system settings, you can see the Network and System sections, right? [16:27] rvr, yes, they both have an accent in their french name though [16:27] rvr, why? [16:31] seb128: Oh, so maybe the objectName is now categoryGrid + _("System") :-/ [16:31] Will also check that [16:32] rvr, you should be able to reproduce by using LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 btw (you need language-pack-fr to have the locale though) [16:33] rvr, unset LANG/LANGUAGE might also be needed [16:33] I was trying with set LC_ALL and didn't work [16:34] Aha, unset LANG/LANGUAGE... thanks [16:42] That's it: > objectName: categoryGridSistema === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:52] so the razr lunch files for ubuntu touch anybody know where to get them???? === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [16:52] so the razr lunch files for ubuntu touch anybody know where to get them???? [17:10] exit [17:20] ogra_: good or bad now :D load average: 3.52, 8.41, 7.67 [17:21] well, its getting winter ... [17:21] surely saves some heating [17:24] not sure why i do still have a qwerty keyboard while i am using FR as main language === jono is now known as Guest50394 [17:38] kenvandine: where the code of the online accounts providers is located ? [17:38] for the phone [17:47] daker, lp:account-plugins === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk [17:50] kenvandine: i am asking because for facebook i am seeing an old html page not the HTML5 one [17:51] that is probably because of the user agent on the phone [17:52] kenvandine: ya where the page is beeing called ? or a different question do you use the UbuntuWebView ? [17:53] we are using a copied version of the UbuntuWebView in signon-ui [17:53] signon-ui is in main, and we couldn't introduce a depends from universe [17:56] kenvandine: ok got it === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [18:12] how usable is up these days? [18:32] having an problem with ssh connections with touch on a nexus 10 with 13.10 installed [18:32] can anyone help? [18:32] I have a stock install and keep getting connection refused when ssh'ing to localhost === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk [18:36] ogra_: sys settings was running then unity8 freezes then it restart itself, now it not display in the running apps section but it still running & taking 100% of the cpu http://paste.ubuntu.com/6422557/ [19:47] ee [19:50] anyone have if anyone cares i had to explicitly start ssh [19:57] ogra_: I'm off next week but I'll be listening in to the UDS with any joy :) Catch you in a weeks time :) [19:57] davmor2, enjoy ! [19:58] I will :) === yorick_ is now known as yorick [21:30] Hi there everyone! :) Just wondering if someone has some information about official support for the Google Nexus 5? Are there any plans for official ubuntu touch builds or not? Thanks! [21:33] hi ogra_ where can i find unity8 logs ? [22:00] daker, all logs of all session apps are in ~/.local/upstart/ [22:00] hmm, or was it .cache [22:01] yeah, actually ~/.cache/upstart/ [22:01] ogra_, daker: it's .cache/upstart [22:02] kenvandine: right! [22:08] now i can make restart very easily using the signon ui [22:08] sforshee, poke? you still working? I'm looking at a patch for powerd, and trying to figure out why g_idle_add doesn't work, but g_timeout_add(0) does? [22:25] ogra_, out of curiosity, how long are we expecting to support SurfaceFlinger mode in Touch? [23:04] mterry, as long as we support ports ? [23:06] ogra_, makes sense [23:07] (well, or until Mir supports a good set of drivers ... ) [23:27] Anyone know if ubuntu will run on a zte blade ?