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penguin42I don't suppose anyone has a use for a quad port PCI-X gige card do they - I seem to have bought two off ebay and found they won't actually fit any of my machines (hint: not all PCI-X cards can go into PCI slots)00:05
daftykinsdo they not have the gap to fit in 32-bit slots, or?00:07
penguin42daftykins: They do! But the cards are 3.3v only, and the PCI slots are keyed for 5v only; apparently some PCI-X cards can be dual00:10
daftykinsah :(00:12
penguin42daftykins: Exactly00:13
penguin42daftykins: I've actually got one machine with PCI-X - but it's 5v only (early PCI-x machine)00:13
directhexmoop00:14
directhexi had a PCI-X system once00:14
directhexmy mythtv box00:15
daftykinsi had a dual PIII setup00:16
daftykinsbut in my brothers hands its' one PATA channel died00:16
daftykinsso i gave up on it - didn't fancy acquiring any SCSI00:16
penguin42hmm, it's an interesting thought - I wonder whether my old dual Athlon board had PCI-X00:17
directhexpenguin42, probably00:17
directhextoday has been productive for my free software work00:18
daftykinsdirecthex: oh?00:19
directhexdaftykins, https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=mono&arch=mipsel - i am currently building 3.2.3+dfsg-3 for upload, which will have a successful mipsel build00:20
penguin42damn, according to the online manual my dual athlon board is also 5v00:21
penguin42what mipsel stuff do you run?00:22
directhexpenguin42, none, but i want as much arch coverage as possible in debian00:25
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MooDoomorning all07:03
directhexwould a blog post about why it took 10 years for mono to build on debian mips be interesting? worth doing?07:54
MooDoodirecthex: even if it's not of interest to most, it's an historical record so I think worth doing :)07:56
MartijnVdSTheee Historical Documents!07:56
MooDoolol07:56
MooDoowooohooo think it's time to download all lur radio episodes and give them a listen08:07
MartijnVdSaah, nostalgia  :)08:09
MooDooyeah I blame jono :D08:09
MartijnVdSwhat is the name of that simple benchmark again? the "count to $a_lot" one?08:29
MartijnVdSThis is the one! http://hants.lug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark08:31
popey08:33
MartijnVdSreal0m2.815s08:33
MartijnVdSuser0m2.771s08:33
MartijnVdSsys0m0.000s08:33
MartijnVdS(i7-4770K @ 4GHz)08:33
popeygolly08:34
MartijnVdS*zoom*08:34
MartijnVdSoh wow.. Pentium IIs took >2 minutes to finish that test08:38
popeywe should move that to some wiki that is actually editable08:42
popeythe hants lug website is broken08:42
* AlanBell tries it on a pi08:46
AlanBellreal    2m21.130s08:48
AlanBelluser    1m30.890s08:48
MartijnVdSso it's like a Pentium II08:49
AlanBellyeah, strapped to a big GPU08:49
MartijnVdSbut GPUs usually don't run perl08:50
ali1234my AMD system is over twice as fast as the fastest AMD system on that page08:51
ali1234i think this benchmark s not very accurate08:51
MartijnVdSali1234: or recent08:51
MartijnVdSali1234: the newest Intel chip on there is 2.5 years old08:52
ali1234so is my AMD08:52
MartijnVdSali1234: it must be cheating on the benchmark08:52
directhexhttp://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/545/09:04
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popeydirecthex: once a buildd picks it up, how long will it take to actually build?09:23
directhexpopey, i have no idea - it's never been successfully built, so i have no basis for comparison :p09:24
directhexpopey, i estimate around 6 hours09:24
awilkinsWhat do people use Mono for on MIPS? (or for anything, for that matter, besides games which I see from time to time)09:25
directhexon mips... well, nothing... yet09:25
popeyheh09:25
directhexi believe the upstream port exists due to android mips09:25
awilkinsPart of me asking is that my team is probably going to get merged with a MS / .NET team and it would be interesting to work out the arguments for keeping our Linux servers (oh, yeah, MIPS no compiley, duh)09:25
directhexwell, the upstream port *is maintained* due to it09:26
directhexwhat is it used for generally... desktop apps. games. daemons. same stuff as you use java or python for, really09:26
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:30
SuperMattmorning09:30
popeyhello09:30
bigcalmGood evening and welcome09:37
SuperMattI'm not sure it's evening09:37
SuperMattI could be wrong09:37
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy PlayStation 4 Release Day! :-D09:38
SuperMattToday I have time off work, and I'm going to use it to finish writing my wiki (wiki.supermatt.net, all done in python/flask), and go see gravity09:38
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:38
LaneyJamesTait: why would you say that in ubuntu-uk :(09:38
JamesTaitLaney, only because I couldn't stand the alternative - Clean Your Fridge Day. :-/09:39
awilkinsNaah, the big gaming news today is the release of X-Rebirth09:48
awilkinsPlaystation 4 is just Christmas toy news.09:48
SuperMattI'm very interested in x-rebirth09:49
SuperMattmy boss has bought it, so I'm going to see how it looks next week09:50
Myrttigood morning10:07
Myrttisince it's Friday10:07
Myrttihere's a kitty video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTZnutpgOkU10:07
MooDoolol I as expecting some monster to appear.10:09
bigcalmKittah!10:16
MooDooglad it's the weekend tomorrow, had enough already today lol10:16
bigcalmKissa!10:16
bigcalmMaybe even a kuukissa10:17
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bigcalmHere endith my knowledge of Finnish10:17
mungbeanmoy10:18
mungbeanskol10:18
mungbeanubuntu stickers in the wild.. http://ubuntuone.com/4fPqWD7ClyQcIkZusigbYg10:19
ali1234!info gtk-theme-config10:19
lubotu3Package gtk-theme-config does not exist in quantal10:19
ali1234!info gtk-theme-config saucy10:22
lubotu3gtk-theme-config (source: gtk-theme-config): simple interface to change GTK+ themes. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (saucy), package size 22 kB, installed size 124 kB10:22
popeywow thats an old sticker10:26
davmor2Morning all10:28
bashrcmorning10:29
davmor2popey: you shouldn't talk about Elderly with walking sticks like that, it's not respectful ;)10:31
MooDoomorning davmor210:32
diploSuperMatt: Saw Gravity last night, was quite good :)10:42
SuperMattawesome10:42
SuperMattI'm looking forward to seeing it at the imax today10:43
SuperMattbetween fielding calls from recruiters10:43
MooDooSuperMatt: getting a lot of job requests?10:49
SuperMattI might be10:49
SuperMattfacebook turned me down :(10:49
* SuperMatt looks at canonical next10:49
MooDoohow come?10:49
davmor2SuperMatt: well if you will sign up for these things :)10:49
SuperMattI was quite experienced enough10:49
MooDooSuperMatt: i'm always on the look out for canonical stuff :)10:50
popeySuperMatt: https://tbe.taleo.net/CH03/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&act=sort&sortColumn=2&sortColumn=010:50
popeyany that take your fancy?10:50
MooDooSuperMatt: For some reason davmor2 doesn't need a tea boy :)10:50
popeywhy would the tea boy need a tea boy?10:50
SuperMattdata centre engineer might be up my street10:50
MooDoopopey: you mean davmor2 isn't the big boss?  he lies ;)10:51
SuperMattooh, systems administrator10:51
davmor2MooDoo: I did say I could do with a foot masseuse but you turned that down10:51
MooDoodavmor2: yeah felt i was under qualified for that one.10:52
davmor2popey: I don't know, I have my Dolce Gusto beside me for the cappuccinos /me doesn't even drink tea :D10:52
SuperMattpopey: there are two there which might be relevant10:54
SuperMattthanks ;)10:54
SuperMattig waut10:54
SuperMatt*oh wait10:54
SuperMattone is based in beijing10:54
SuperMattso only one then10:54
davmor2SuperMatt: not looking to move to Beijing then?10:58
diploI'm just writing my CV for a datacentre job SuperMatt, looks really interesting11:02
davmor2http://ubuntuone.com/4kkdkUIEuq6mbTkIiOAmTd  I have an awesome wife :)11:03
AlanBelldavmor2: Could not access backend storage11:05
davmor2AlanBell: works here11:06
bigcalmCould not access backend storage11:06
davmor2AlanBell: maybe it hadn't finished setting up the sync as it's a video11:06
JamesTaitdavmor2, you've been out-breaker'd.11:06
davmor2JamesTait: I blame you anyway it's U111:07
JamesTaitdavmor2, I blame the tester equally. :-P11:09
davmor2JamesTait: Right I'll get onto vila and elopio immediately :P11:09
JamesTait:D11:10
jussiooh, tea, what a great idea :D11:10
MooDoonot working here either davmor211:11
MooDoodavmor2: sack your tester ;)11:11
davmor2MooDoo: we already been through that one :)11:12
MooDoodavmor2: rats11:12
mungbeanwhat are income taxes like in norway?11:15
Laneyexquisite11:15
davmor2AlanBell: http://ubuntuone.com/4kkdkUIEuq6mbTkIiOAmTd can you get it now ?11:17
bastubisanyone know what's happened to u1sdtool in 13.10? doesn't seem to be in the repos?11:17
AlanBelldavmor2: yeah, that is doing something11:18
AlanBell!info u1sdtool11:18
lubotu3Package u1sdtool does not exist in quantal11:18
AlanBellquantal!11:18
davmor2AlanBell: I tarballed the video :)11:18
bastubisyeah I noticed that - so how do you fix buggy crashy U1 then?11:18
mungbeani still get "a file is no longer published" when i try to publish to u111:19
AlanBellit is in a different package I think, on sec11:19
davmor2bastubis: it's in the install11:19
bastubishuh?11:19
davmor2bastubis: I typed u1s and hit tab11:20
AlanBell!info ubuntuone-client raring11:20
lubotu3ubuntuone-client (source: ubuntuone-client): Ubuntu One client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 11 kB, installed size 156 kB11:20
AlanBellbastubis: ubuntuone-client provides it11:20
bastubisso I should just download the tarball and install it with dpkg?11:20
bastubisreally? where?11:20
AlanBellno, it is in the package11:20
bastubishow do I launch it?11:20
ali1234why is the bot returning package results from quantal?11:20
davmor2bastubis: open the terminal and type u1s and hit tab11:21
bastubisahhh ok it's preinstalled11:21
* bastubis has found the manual11:21
bastubista!11:21
bashrcclick packages - is there any progress on that?11:24
AlanBellbashrc: yeah, they work on the phone11:24
bashrcwhat's the format for them?11:25
AlanBellbashrc: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/packaging-click-apps/11:26
AlanBellroughly speaking, as I understand it, they are a cut down .deb format with added apparmor11:26
davmor2bashrc: click is the format ;)  But AlanBell 's link is better.11:26
AlanBelland they are designed to work with a read-only root filesystem11:27
AlanBellwhat is a mildly sensible file format for some preference variables that I will need to read from bash and python?11:28
bashrcI wasn't thinking of the web interface.  If I wanted to create a click package, supposing that I have a binary and I know some dependencies, could I make a script or something) which builds the package?11:29
popeyclick build ./foo11:29
ali1234it doesn't really make sense to call click a cut down .deb - .deb is just two tar files joined together it doesn't get much simpler than that11:29
popeywhere ./foo contains your application11:29
AlanBellali1234: it doesn't have scripts11:29
popeyyou can look at it from either end11:29
popeybashrc: click packages have no concept of dependencies11:30
popeywell, they have a simple one.. you depend on the sdk revision, which assumes some dependencies11:30
popeyso an app could be written for ubuntu-14.04 and wouldn't be installable on ubuntu-13.10 for example11:31
davmor2Lets try this again google plus just caught up with u1 :) https://plus.google.com/u/1/104244164525559506101/posts/dVcyXFQCMwJ  I have an awesome wife11:31
bashrcI'm still no wiser about the format of click packages11:32
ali1234so basically a click package is just an archive with some files in it11:32
bashrcok, like a deb11:33
ali1234no, not like a deb11:33
ali1234a deb has dependencies a pre/post-install scripts11:33
ali1234it's more like a tar.gz11:33
davmor2ali1234: Did you not just point out that a deb is a couple of tarballs?  In that case it's like a deb then right :D11:34
popeyit's an ar file containing a data.tgz and a control.tgz11:35
popeybashrc: but you just use "click build ./foo" to build it11:35
ali1234click: error: directory "./foo" does not contain manifest file "manifest.json"11:35
AlanBellbashrc: more infos https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/037074.html11:35
popeyyeah, there's some documented bits you need11:35
AlanBellnot massively well documented11:37
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest11:37
AlanBellah11:37
AlanBell!info bash11:40
lubotu3bash (source: bash): GNU Bourne Again SHell. In component main, is required. Version 4.2-5ubuntu3 (saucy), package size 603 kB, installed size 1388 kB11:40
AlanBell^^ ali123411:40
davmor2bashrc: this might be a better example of how to manual build a click package rather than the sdk way. http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/11:40
ali1234fixed?11:40
SuperMattwhat's a good way to get in contact with Jorge Castro?11:40
davmor2SuperMatt: irc11:41
SuperMattany channel?11:41
AlanBellSuperMatt: jcastro on IRC, normally in #ubuntu-community-team and other places11:41
SuperMattcool, thanks11:41
popeySuperMatt: lurk in #ubuntu-community-team or email him https://launchpad.net/~jorge11:41
bashrcdavmor2: that's a much better description11:41
ali1234so how do i make a manifest file for a new click package?11:41
popeysee http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/ and http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/11:44
popeyif there's bits missing or unclear, let me know and we can get it fixed11:48
davmor2bashrc: it is only effectively a desktop file and a manifest and a permissions file as it is a webapp but it gives you a good idea.11:50
ali1234it would be nice if it wasn't necessary to keep the manifest.json in the same directory as all the files11:50
ali1234i don't want it in the .zip or .tar.gz or .deb versions11:50
popeyyou can11:51
popeyyou can put the manifest file somewhere else, and specify click build -m PATH ./foo11:51
ali1234can i make a click package with no dependency?11:51
popeynot tried that11:52
ali1234I get "Framework "ubuntu-sdk-13.10" not present on system (use --force-missing-framework option to override)" when i try to install it11:52
popeyprobably11:52
popeyyes11:52
popeywe don't currently support click package installs on desktop11:52
popeyit's for phone/tablet at the moment11:52
popeybut you can do as it says and --force-missing-framework11:52
popeyand see if it works, and you get to keep the pieces if it doesn't11:53
ali1234click: error: no such option: --force-missing-framework11:53
popeyduring install?11:53
ali1234no, during package build11:53
popeynot during build11:53
popeyno, you specify during install11:53
ali1234that's not much use11:53
ali1234i want to make a click package that doesn't depend on any framework11:54
bashrcI was really getting ahead of myself.  Probably I'll only really be interested in implementing click packages once that system is available on the desktop11:54
popeyoh, sorry, you're building a click package?11:54
ali1234yes11:54
popeyI haven't used that parameter when building11:54
ali1234also -m path doesn't work11:54
popeythis topic should be discussed in #ubuntu-touch where the devs are btw ☻11:55
popeyor indeed #ubuntu-app-devel11:55
ali1234manifest.json is in current directory. click build -m manifest.json foo/ -> "click: error: directory "foo/" does not contain manifest file "manifest.json""11:55
popeylooks like a bug11:56
ali1234hmm wait11:56
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bugs11:56
ali1234click build -m . foo/ -> works, kind of (actually it crashes)11:56
ali1234reported12:05
popeythanks12:05
ali1234click needs a framework that defined only glibc, x11, and alsa12:05
davmor2ali1234: why would it define x11, it's built to build against mir12:07
ali1234davmor2: uh, because my app requires x1112:07
ali1234and glibc, x11, alsa is the minimum you can expect to find on any linux distribution12:08
ali1234this would make click packages actually cross platform12:08
ali1234though i can understand why you wouldn't want that to happen12:08
davmor2ali1234: are you just missing the point of mir and wayland in that x goes away at which point why would you target x11 again?  Don't forget this is a future package that just happens to be available currently on Phones and tablets because they have all the confined elements12:12
davmor2as for alsa I think you just add audio iirc12:12
ali1234you can't "just add audio"12:13
ali1234and X11 is not going away any time soon12:13
popeyindeed, next LTS will ship with X11.12:13
ali1234currently with click you make make up any framework name you want12:13
ali1234however the only ones that anyone will ever actually have is the ubuntu-sdk ones12:14
popeynot sure when click is planned to be in desktop12:14
ali1234i set framework to "none-require-please-force-install"12:14
ali1234this is a fairly poor workaround12:14
popeyyeah, you're using click packages outside the current use cases. it's not been worked on for desktop use cases yet12:14
davmor2ali1234: this is my point, click is designed to run on mir with unity8 inside appamour confinement, That is not currently available on the desktop until it is you won't have click by default and it would work as expected until those parts are meet12:17
ali1234yeah here's the problem with that: i will not support mir in my app12:18
ali1234so either you make a framework for x11 apps, or my app doesn't go in a click package12:18
ali1234i don't see why you have such a hard time understanding this12:18
directhexpopey, 12.04 is x11?12:19
directhexer, 14.0412:19
davmor2ali1234: bingo so you package it as a deb the end12:19
ali1234no, i will not package it as a deb either12:19
ali1234i will ship it as a tar.gz, the way all linux game developers currently do anyway12:20
ali1234the tgz will contain all the dependencies, and they'll be built against x11, again exactly like all linux games currently are12:20
popeydirecthex: yup12:21
directhexpopey, thank fuck. that simplifies my deployments no end12:21
popeyali1234: out of interest, what framework do you use? sdl?12:21
ali1234i use ogre3d12:21
popeyah yes12:21
ali1234i use SDL for input and sound12:21
ali1234but SDL2, because SDL1 is horrible12:22
ali1234"click list" is broken btw12:23
popeyon desktop?12:23
ali1234yes12:23
popeyyeah, as I said, out of scope12:24
Laneyargh12:28
Laneydistressing snapping / pinging sound when I leaned a bit on $brokenchair just now12:28
* Laney bumps the urgency of acquiring a replacement12:28
davmor2Laney: I can recommend the Markus from ikea12:33
Laneyjust called to have this one taken away12:33
Laneyso there is a deadline of next thursday by which I need to have replaced it :P12:33
* awilkins seconds the Markus12:36
Laneycheers for the recommendation12:36
awilkinsMesh back, leather seat cover, floating pivot12:36
awilkinsGood price for what it is12:37
davmor2awilkins: and don't forget the padded lower back support too :)12:37
awilkinsThe chair I have in the office is probably nicer, but it also probably cost a bazillion quid because Government Procurement + Trained Ergonomic Person to help set it up12:38
awilkinsHas an inflatable padded lower back support for super-awesome controllability12:39
davmor2awilkins: that just takes the p12:39
* popey needs to fix his aeron12:39
awilkinsdavmor2, I know, could probably have got a much nicer one if I'd just expensed it / was allowed to12:40
awilkinsShoot all the damn lawyers and return to a common-sense system12:40
davmor2awilkins: why did you not just get a lazyboy 9000 and be done :D12:41
awilkinsdavmor2, I'm not sure it would actually be a good coding chair12:41
awilkinsSome kind of reclining workstation with the screen built in would be good12:41
davmor2awilkins: only cause the bosses would see you alseep on the job ;)12:42
awilkinsThere was some news about VRDs that sounded positive12:42
awilkinsThe main concern I have with an Oculus is the weight - a VRD rig will be lighter12:42
awilkinsWonder how useful they'll be for programming / workstation purposes12:42
davmor2awilkins: VRDs just makes it sound like something you would catch and not talk about except to a Doctor12:43
awilkinsAnd the plus side to a head mounted display is noone can shoulder surf you..12:43
shaunommmm ergonomics  http://i.imgur.com/3Gr4mr8.jpg12:44
davmor2awilkins: you have a head mounted to your display I'm not surprised any one want to shoulder surf you :D12:46
awilkinsIf I could actually repel certain users with a shrunken head talisman I might consider getting one12:46
DJonesshauno: That looks like it would be really uncomfortable12:47
shaunonot mine thankfully, just the first la-z-boy shot I found that didn't look like it should be burnt by guys in yellow rubber suits12:49
DJones:)12:50
awilkinsA 135 degree angle is optimal for your health though :-)12:50
awilkinsRelieves disc pressure12:51
DJonesI'm either at a desk in an upright position using a desktop, or my laptop is on the arm of a reclining sofa while I recline12:51
popey\o/ aeron working12:51
DJonesawilkins: I think the reclining would give me the 135 degree angle12:51
popeyMartijnVdS: https://twitter.com/amx109/status/40133110575779430512:52
shaunowe had one of those ergonomics voodoo chaps visit at work.  they seemed me worried about the stuff all over my desk, than the chair12:52
awilkinsReally, I could totally go for the Matrix style pink goo floatation pod once they get the technical details sorted12:53
ali1234shauno: have you seen that battlestation hidden inside a wardrobe photo?13:00
shaunoI've seen all manner of sins on /r/battlestations13:01
ali1234this one is the worst13:02
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24939133 wat13:03
popeyhah http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/actress-in-andy-kaufman-hoax-67543213:08
popeyMyrtti: https://twitter.com/Geeky_Knit/13:12
Myrtticool, but that's twitter. I go there once in a blue moon nowadays13:12
mgdmMy gf is currently learning crochet and knitting, so I've commissioned her to make a Marvin along the lines of the one from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QIk_qWLx2s13:13
popeyhah13:13
mgdmOh, that's in French. My point stands though13:13
MooDoodavmor2: you have a nice wofe :)13:13
mbs_Anyone else having a problem with firefox today? i did an upgrade and now firefox thinks im arabic??13:13
MooDoowife even13:13
mbs_everything is right->left and the searches are all in what im guessing is arabic. help?13:15
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awilkinsYou've been targetted for Islamification. The Iman will be with you shortly.13:16
mbs_sweet13:17
awilkinsHe doesn't feel pity. Or remorse. Or fear. Except of bacon. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are.. well, Muslim.13:18
mbs_Well Praise Mohammed!!!! i would usually use google to fix my problem but i cant speak Arabic. Has anyone else got any ideas?13:20
awilkinsDelete your profile folder?13:20
mgdmmbs_: there's a switch to start Firefox with a new profile13:20
awilkinsOr that13:20
mgdmor at least with the profile manager13:20
mgdm'firefox-bin -p' perhaps?13:21
mbs_ok i stopped panicing and deleted my .mozilla folder and its all fixed, thanks all. Why do you think it went wacky in the first place?13:22
awilkinsMaybe some clown reset your language settings... maybe you accidentally hit it with a Unity HUD search13:23
popeyoh, is there new firefox?13:24
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popeyoddly I just udpated and got a new google chrome ☻13:24
mbs_yes and made me sad and arabic13:25
popeychrome made your firefox sad and arabic?13:25
mbs_well it made firefox arabic and me sad13:26
popeyI have not observed this behaviour but will be on the look out for it13:26
mbs_might of been something stupid i did, but i cant imge how i did it13:27
popeyI wouldn't venture to suggest you did something stupid13:27
mbs_theres a long history of me effing up ubuntu installs13:28
popeyjussi: did you find another / better HDMI splitter?13:28
popeyoh. well done13:28
jussipopey: nope13:28
mbs_so ive decided to sack off Firefox and use Chrome for a bit13:32
popeyi switched to chromium13:33
popeyfirefox is dead to me13:33
mbs_why, did it kick your cat?13:33
popeyit doesn't work as well as chromium for my use case13:34
mungbeani keep deciding to use firefox and forgetting13:34
mungbeanmozilla needs serious reforming as the waste is colossal13:35
mungbeanrichest OSS project i know , with not much to show for it13:35
mbs_im getting anoyed with it for stuff like today and the way it peggs my gpu, and the tab bar corrupts if you open more then 5 gif images13:37
TheOpenSourcererfirefox -ProfileManager will let you have as many profiles as you like and choose a default...13:37
TheOpenSourcererfirefox -p profilename will start it using the profile <profilename>13:37
TheOpenSourcererI use Firefox mostly and chrome too.13:38
mungbeanhow does i wonder which is better , nexus4 or moto g13:38
TheOpenSourcererFirefox is very fat now and seems to use less memory than chrom13:38
mungbeanor whether nexus4 is even buyable anywhere13:38
TheOpenSourcerers\fat\fast13:38
TheOpenSourcererlol13:38
mungbeanTheOpenSourcerer: every release i'm told that, but the fact is they are both bloaty RAM munchers13:38
TheOpenSourcererHardly surprising when we *all* end up with 50 tabs open at any one time, most with hugely complex JQuery/Javascript stuff  running in the background13:39
TheOpenSourcererIt amazes me they work as well as they do ;-)13:40
TheOpenSourcererLynx they ain't13:40
mbs_is that the command line one?13:43
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TheOpenSourcerermbs_: http://lynx.browser.org/13:43
mbs_yeaaahhhh thats the open i used in college  when we had a terminal access and some really shoddy security on the server13:44
mungbeansuddenly horse looks more appetising when viewed like this http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71134000/gif/_71134314_newhorsecut.gif13:49
TheOpenSourcererI never though horse unappetising to be honest. I've eaten it in Spain and Belgium before.13:50
mungbeanhad it in russia13:51
mungbeantasted like braised beef13:51
popeypate on toast for lunch13:52
popeylast two slices of bread in the house. nicely burned.. oops13:52
* TheOpenSourcerer just had a chicken jalfrezy 13:52
TheOpenSourcererHad a Chicken Naga last night, and a chicken Madras for lunch yesterday.13:53
awilkinsWas at a curry house the other night that had a Chicken Naga13:54
awilkinsI didn't have it.13:54
TheOpenSourcererThe one I had last night (http://themahaan.co.uk/) was "OK". Not that great TBH.13:55
mungbeanwent to wetherspoons for lunch. 40 minute wait for food, went elsewhere14:00
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awilkinsWe have a 'spoons outside at the station. The venue of choice for all the 0800 lager drinkers.14:25
diploOurs is the same awilkins :/14:27
mungbeanits a weird mix of students, drunkards and uni staff14:27
davmor2mungbean: nexus 514:42
mungbeanmroe moneys14:42
davmor2mungbean: it has a silly processor in it14:42
davmor2mungbean: goto amazon, ebay, and google and see if you can get an n414:43
davmor2mungbean: failing those try places like phone shops and argos14:43
awilkinsGoogle say they aren't selling 4's anymore in the UK. Not surprisingly, they probably sold out of it after lowering the price to £160 / £20014:46
mungbeanmy htc still works but i like to stay abreast of budget/decent cheaper models14:47
awilkinsMight be a viable strategy for my next phone upgrade, buy a Nexus N-1 just before the N comes out.14:47
mungbeanyeah14:47
awilkinsHave a 4 at the moment, very happy with it14:47
mungbeani have a choice right now, delete nearly all my apps or continue with terribly slow phone14:47
awilkinsOnly thing I'd change is the storage situation14:48
awilkinsEven if it wasn't _removable_ I'd like to be able to upgrade it14:48
awilkinsI mean, they can roll the SD card into an LVM group for all I care and make the phone die horribly if you remove it14:48
awilkinsBut being stuck on the stock 16GB prevents me from just splatting my whole music collection onto it14:49
awilkinsMy N900 had 32GB stock and has all my music on it14:49
awilkinsPut a MicroSD card slot in the SIM drawer to make it annoying to remove14:50
shaunoI've relegated my music to a 'cloud' thingie because there's little hope of it fitting on a phone any time soon14:50
mungbeani have an awesome mp3 player14:51
awilkinsMm, the problem with that is i) cloud thingy and ii) wireless data isn't cheap or polite14:51
bashrc32GB would be good enough for me14:51
awilkinsBy "not polite" I mean that I consider it impolite to be streaming large volumes of static data that you could have easily cached locally (if you had enough storage on your phone)14:51
awilkinsBecause wireless data is a limited resource and I'd rather have it available for dynamic content than have it needlessly used up by content that could be cached.14:52
awilkinsOne of the reasons that the flipping media cartels should be spanked14:53
shaunoit's not ideal, but I don't see having 300GB spare on a phone any time soon14:53
awilkinsshauno, Ouch.... I keep having thoughts of writing a dynamic cache thing that swaps music in and out of the phone algortithmically14:53
davmor2awilkins: I pay through the nose for an unlimited data plan I make use of it14:53
mungbeani have 250mb14:54
mungbeanbecause it costs only £7.50 per month14:54
awilkinsdavmor2, Tragedy of the commons, innit - "I have the right to this, therefore I will use it as much as possible even if it spoils things for other people".14:54
awilkinsdavmor2, Agree that the prices are probably not entirely reflective of the service - can I enquire what you are paying?14:55
mungbeangifggaf unltd web is £1214:55
davmor2awilkins: to be fair I use mine mostly for testing Ubuntu also so I don't really care :)  £37 a month + and S3 in the bundle, unlimited data, unlimited text and 200 minutes of talk14:56
awilkinsdavmor2, Ah.. I stopped buying bundled phones14:57
mungbeanso you pay £25per month for the phone14:57
awilkinsdavmor2, Nexus 4 + £10 pcm 500 mins, ul txt, 1GB data14:57
awilkinsBut that's explicitly tethering permitted14:57
awilkins£12 for ul data but tethering is then considered naughty14:58
awilkinsI don't need the voice, I have months when my call counter literally stands at about three seconds.14:58
shaunoabout the same here, which is why I wish I could use my dongle's plan on my phone14:59
davmor2awilkins: yeah we go camping so I tether up to 2-4 devices then14:59
davmor2so I have months where I use very little and then weeks where I use huge amounts :)14:59
shaunoI pay 20e for 20GB on my dongle, 65e for 2GB on my phone.  same 3g through the same telco.14:59
mungbeani am stringent about my mobile prices but i pay monthly for a lnadline i don't use just to have broadband :(14:59
awilkinsHah, same here, I have more than enough minutes on my mobile to cover all my calls15:00
awilkinsWish I could just go broadband only15:01
mungbean:(15:01
mungbeani could but it costs more15:01
awilkinsYeah, I pay for the TV - I don't even have an STB15:01
awilkinsNot since the broadband modem was a separate device15:01
awilkinsThe cable goes into my office, not the living room15:01
awilkinsUsed to have a TV card in the computer just to watch the cable15:02
shaunough, they're trying to push a STB which is the tv/modem/router all in one here.  no sir don't like it15:02
awilkinsWe have a "superhub"15:03
awilkinsModem / router15:03
awilkinsIt's in "dumb" mode here15:03
awilkinsI have my own router15:03
shaunoI have a similar deal, which is why I'm fobbing off this STB until I'm sure it'll do the same15:04
shaunoI can't get HD channels until I get their latest widget, but I'm willing to make that tradeoff15:05
diplo:source /home/andy/.byobu/profile15:17
diploooer15:17
diplo:)15:17
diploF5 does that fyi15:17
penguin42can anyone on virgin-media ping www.dal.net - 154.35.136.58 ?15:26
popeynope15:26
popeystops inside virgin15:26
penguin42hmm, can everyone off virgin-media ping it - I can from my VM15:26
directhex64 bytes from 154.35.136.58: icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=118 ms15:27
directhexon BT15:27
mgdmI can ping it, from some BTthing15:27
popeyyes15:27
penguin42nod, thanks15:27
awilkinsCan ping it from VM15:27
awilkinsAnd outside VM (have an SSH tunnel, can do both at same time15:28
awilkinsTell a lie15:28
awilkinstsocks is obvs not covering it15:28
awilkinsPinging straight from my router isn't workign15:28
penguin42how annoying15:29
awilkinsStops at 10.34.176.115:29
penguin42my mtr doesn't get that far for me15:30
awilkinsThat's just one hop15:31
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penguin42yeh not even showing that for me from the router15:34
shaunomaybe you broke dalnet, this could be the most traffic they've seen for 10 years :p15:34
penguin42haha yes, I tend to hover on #science on there - it's not exactly busy15:36
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Myrttimeh bloody ppi cold callers15:45
daftykins0o16:04
daftykinsi'm safe from such things fortunately16:04
daftykinsbarely i even know my landline number :D16:04
daftykinsi've had one call on it - which was from the telco for a survey \o/16:04
shaunoheh, I don't know my landline.  I tried calling myself to find out, but it seems I'm ex-directory too16:05
daftykinsXD16:06
daftykinsover here we can dial 1470 prior to the outgoing number to reveal it for a single call16:07
daftykinsCheck out the temperature differences on this laptop with a proper application of thermal paste16:18
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/qovdpvh704n1zjh/temps.jpg16:18
daftykinsmax under load dropped by 23 deg C16:18
cocoa117find /usr/local/apache/domlogs/ -xdev -type f -mmin -9 -exec tail -n 1000 {} | fgrep -c 'wp-login.php' \; why this does't work?16:23
penguin42daftykins: How hard was it to put it bac together?16:23
penguin42cocoa117: how does it fail?16:23
daftykinspenguin42: thankfully this one was a single underside panel job - 3 screws on the socket area popped the heatsink and heatpipe straight out16:23
cocoa117penguin42, it said find: missing argument to `-exec'16:24
cocoa117fgrep: ;: No such file or directory16:24
daftykinspenguin42: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbma398znt8hl7x/IMG_20131114_174809.jpg16:24
penguin42cocoa117: I think your problem is that the | is being interepreted by the shell you typed that in, so everything after it never gets to the find16:25
daftykinsprobably the easiest i've done, somewhere up there with Apple Macbook pros16:25
shaunoI love that giant hole for hdd2.  more laptops need this!16:27
daftykinsXD16:28
daftykinsshauno: lacking the caddy to get one in there though - that'd be a pain16:28
shaunoI replace the optical with a hdd in mine, but that's going to disappear as an option in the not-to-distant future16:30
penguin42shauno: A lot now have a very small space for mSATA SSDs16:30
daftykinsor they're moving to nasty proprietary interface SSDs due to the SATA spec people taking far too long to ratify new forms! *grumble*16:31
SuperMattdang, gravity was awesome16:31
daftykinsgravity?16:31
SuperMattgravity16:31
SuperMattthe new sandra bullock film16:32
daftykinsoooh yes16:32
shaunoI was surprised at that too SuperMatt.  but yes, it was16:32
cocoa117penguin42, you are star, thanks16:32
daftykinshow does the 3D fare? i often don't like that it seems to force you where it wants you to look16:32
SuperMattI don't know why anyone has been surprised. It has sandra bullock, it's about space, and it has been getting rave reviews over the last couple of weeks16:32
daftykinsalthough i guess in space most of the remainder is... black16:32
SuperMattdaftykins: it's... perfect!16:32
SuperMattbest use of 3D I've seen16:32
daftykinshehe16:32
daftykinscool16:32
shaunoheh, I'd agree with that16:33
shaunomy sole complaint for the whole thing, was there was times I'd get distracted staring at the earth trying to figure out where they are16:33
SuperMattthe opening is great, you see earth from above, and you can just see that the clouds are only a tiiiiny bit above the earth, compared to where the camera sits. It's such a nice little touch, but it makes the film16:34
SuperMattshauno: agreed!16:34
shaunoI heard a story about an astronaught, who on his first EVA took a little while to just gawp first.  apparently they have a little dictaphone type deal in the suits, andhe just sat and talked to himself for a while16:35
shaunowhen he eventually got them to release the tape to him, thinking it'd have his profound thoughts on the world from that angle .. it turned out to just be a lot of "woooooww"16:36
mgdmthat wasn't Chris Hadfield's book, was it?16:36
mgdmhe had something related to that in there16:36
shaunoIt hink it came by way of chris, but not from his book .. a friend retold it from a book signing she went to16:36
mgdmahh16:37
shaunobut that's what a lot of Gravity reminded me of.  a very distracting backdrop16:37
SuperMattI did enjoy the story too16:38
SuperMattI mean, it holds all the backdrop together16:38
shaunoheh, yeah.  it almost redeems her for "The NET".  almost.16:39
SuperMatthahah16:39
SuperMattI'm watching Miss Congeniality now16:39
SuperMattbecaue damn Sandra Bullock is awesome16:39
SuperMattif you haven't see The Heat, watch it16:40
SuperMattshe's on top comedy form16:40
LaneyRIGHT16:54
Laneyi'm now listing at 45° to the right16:54
Laneyand sunk as low as it will go16:54
mgdms/right/starboard/16:54
mgdms/the right/starboard/ even16:54
Laneyi can never remember which way round that is16:55
mgdmport == red == left, starboard == right == green16:55
davmor2Laney: trip to Ikea in the morning then16:57
Laneyaway for the weekend, leaving in 10 minutes16:57
Laneythis is what i'd call a catastrophic failure though16:57
Laneyas in it is now unusable16:57
davmor2Laney: haha16:57
Laneystanding up16:57
AlanBellI nearly got a Markus chair last ikea visit17:01
directhexAlanBell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiBt44rrslw17:04
AlanBell:)17:08
davmor2AlanBell: I can recommend as it seems can others17:09
AlanBellI have a somewhat broken chair probably from PC World, I was lusting after an Aeron but if Markus is good I might go for that17:09
davmor2AlanBell: 4 people have said it's good so far :) 2 on here and 2 others on Laney s g+ post17:11
penguin42I'm just not sure I could sit on something called Markus17:11
davmor2penguin42: call it Chair instead17:11
* popey has spent a happy afternoon on his aeron17:12
davmor2popey: what did you have to fix on it17:12
popeyit temp fixed it17:12
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daftykinsdid someone add me on last.fm? i don't recognise the nickname i got17:20
daftykinshaha i didn't know some Xbox Ones got shipped early by accident, so MS banned the consoles17:27
shaunohope it's a temporary ban17:27
daftykinsyep, until closer to launch17:28
daftykinshttp://www.chonday.com/Videos/parking-lamborghini-sky-garage-singapore17:29
shaunoseems like a selly question, but I'm rarely one to put high faith in MS17:29
penguin42daftykins: I wonder if they're not allowed to ride in the car to their flat?17:47
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daftykinspenguin42: i pondered that, health and safety i expect -plus the fear of being trapped!17:53
popeyhmm, google apps for your domain... i cant find how to set up an alias17:53
daftykinspopey: so user2 goes to user@ ?17:53
popeyya17:53
penguin42daftykins: I guess it would get messy if they hit the accelerator17:53
daftykinspopey: hang on i have some clients with GApps, i'll login and see if i can spot it17:53
daftykinsdefinitely done it before17:54
popeyaha!17:54
popeyfound it17:54
daftykinspopey: may even be on the users' gmail settings rather than the overall control panel17:54
daftykinspenguin42: :D17:54
daftykinsvroom vroom17:54
daftykinshttp://adobe.cynic.al <-- just called a client since his email shows up after the Adobe leak here17:54
daftykinswell, leak/hack17:54
popeyyeah, its in the dashboard, you click a user then click profile17:56
popey"add an alias"17:56
daftykins\o/17:56
popeyturns out there's more than one way to spell "clare" ☻17:56
daftykinsthere are two GApps dashboards now which is a real pain =/17:57
daftykinshaha yeah17:57
popeynow if only i could get rid of these xbox live emails17:57
daftykinsi was on a teaching course with some people once, i published notes and contact details to my website for everyone to get to17:57
daftykinsone of the girls had been setup with a misspelt name at her place of work, so i'd gone and corrected them all only to be wrong17:58
daftykinsX|17:58
popeyoof18:00
daftykinsthink it was the classic Rachel/Rachael one18:01
shaunosometimes I think Iceland & co have a point when they say "here's a list, pick one".  I hate having the wrong spelling of my name18:02
penguin42talking of names, someone just pointed me at     http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-can-i-pass-the-string-null-through-wsdl-soap-from-actionscript-3-to-a-co18:04
shaunolol18:05
shaunorename it Brian and change it back when you need to :/18:05
Myrttinew version of XPS 13 announced, but no word of if the Ubuntu version is upgraded as well18:47
stgraberassuming the previous XPS 13 edition was based on 12.04 (not sure), there'd be no reason to have a more recent version of Ubuntu on it until 14.04 releases18:53
stgraberit's usually Canonical's recommendation (and possibly requirement) for OEM we partner with to ship LTS releases18:53
stgraberoh, ignore me, I re-read what you said now ;)18:53
stgraber(do they really have different hardware for the Windows vs Ubuntu edition? that seems like a waste...)18:53
popeyMyrtti: link?18:59
diddledanthat stackoverflow  about names - the answer which got the 50 bonus points (what do points mean?) can't have read the question very much at all. he seems to think that the last name field is empty and therefore has a null value rather than containing the name "Null"19:07
diddledanalthough the second answer - I wasn't aware someone had set up a "Bobby Tables" website giving advice about proper escaping19:10
shaunoreminds me, I still need to tame scp for that19:11
popeypoints mean prizes19:12
popeythey also mean you get credibility like karma on launchpad19:12
diddledanding19:12
diddledanding ding ding19:12
diddledanthe second one is a very good use of points19:13
shaunoI have a script that scoots things around on a schedule, and it doesn't like scp, because I have to escape everything twice  (scp "with\ spaces" dest:"moar\ spaces/")19:13
shaunothought I had it done until I discovered that there was a bunch of filenames with braces that weren't moving anywhere19:14
diddledaneww19:15
diddledanwhy do you have filenames with {} in them?!19:15
shauno:)19:15
diddledanthey haven't come from windows, have they?19:15
shaunoI actually have no idea what platform the source is, it's a jboss server somewhere19:16
diddledantomcat ftw19:16
diddledanjboss is IBM's beast IRIC?19:17
shauno(where 'somewhere' is always missouri or bangalore)19:17
shaunoI think it's redhat's now?19:17
diddledanoh god19:17
diddledanthe horror19:17
shaunoor always was, I don't know.  I know what the J stands for, and that's all I want to know19:17
diddledanJBOSS = Java EEEEEEEK19:18
diddledan?19:18
shaunonah.  more; if it's java, call ahmit, otherwise call venkat19:19
diddledanlol19:19
diddledanI'll remember that. what're their numbers? :-p19:19
shaunooh that's always the bit that hurts me.  091 is the area code for galway, 0091 is india ..19:20
diddledanoh god19:20
shaunochina does that too.  my phone is 086..., china is 0086.  my head is a simple place.  these things just don't work.19:21
diddledanthat's gonna end up in a funny series of miscommunications and misadventures involving a giant banana and a bomb19:21
shaunooh my favourite .. our head office in the states is rhode island, +1-401...19:22
diddledanit'll start with "when did the taxi firm offshore to india?"19:22
shaunowe have a huge customer in maryland who often gets called day & night.  +1-410...19:22
shaunonow there's a chap somewhere in rhode island, who has the same phone number as this customer, but s/410/401/g19:23
shaunoand he HATES me19:23
diddledanhow many times have you called him now?19:23
shaunohonestly, it's going to upwards of 5019:23
diddledanlmao19:23
diddledanand I'm assuming in the middle of his night19:24
Myrttipopey: https://plus.google.com/117161668189080869053/posts/dQg8X9Mnsqq19:24
shaunowell I start at 6am, 1am eastern, which is when I'm most likely to dial on autopilot.  but it's literally all day, all night.  and I know I'm not the only one19:24
diddledanyou'd think he woulda considered changing his number19:25
shaunowell, the onus is on us not to be idiots19:26
diddledanhow likely is that though? honestly?!19:26
shaunobut this is our most active customer in north america.  there's a lot of calls. it only takes a very small % of mistakes to drive a man to scream obscenities at me19:27
Myrttipopey: what he links to https://plus.google.com/103249738935363775674/posts/UbgqazwGLSQ is promising19:27
diddledanhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/scottybryan/this-is-the-best-twitter-conversation-you-will19:32
DJoneshttp://news.sky.com/story/1169286/bitcoin-ransom-scam-warning-for-email-users Just came across this, no doubt people here won't fall for it, but worth passing on19:44
mungbeanon my android phone, twitter app requires me to login after every reboot - any suggestions?19:58
shaunowhy's it rebooting often enough for this to be an issue?19:58
diddledanshauno: my guess is it's only got a flattery19:59
davmor2catch you all in a week I'm holidaying in sunny sunny Wolverhampton :)19:59
mungbeanits not rebooting often, but its annoying that you have to type in password after occasional reboot19:59
shaunodavmor2: have fun, and go easy on the dutyfree ;)20:01
popeyhttp://bartongeorge.net/2013/11/15/introducing-sputnik-3-and-its-unofficial-big-brother20:07
DJonesczajkowski: Ring any bells? https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1467233_599865193431849_1031005254_n.jpg21:00
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Nitinhello i need some urgent help plz23:09
Nitinanyone?23:09
shaunowhat's the problem?23:09
Nitinok the problem is....i made a ubuntu 12.04 bootable flash drive...23:10
daftykinsright23:11
Nitinthen i installed ubuntu to one of my drive with ext 4 file system..and for the boot ... and then i choose something i don't know exactly but windows 7 was mentioned there...everything went fine ... i actually wanted to make a dual boot....ok then when system booted after the installation of ubuntu...some options were there first one was ubuntu and with recovery mode...and last one was windows 7 loader or something....i selected the 23:14
directhexyou cut off after "i selected the"23:16
Nitinbut it didn't started windows 7.... and the screen flashed and then the same menu...then i selected ubuntu...and it started....but windows 7 is not starting up...is there anything i can do to fix windows 723:16
directhexwhat exactly is the layout of hard disks in your system?23:17
directhexi.e. is windows on a different physical drive?23:17
Nitinwindows is on C drive...and ubuntu is on D drive...23:17
directhexthose are physically different drives?23:18
Nitinbut at time of installation of ubuntu...where we choose in which drive we want to install ubuntu...dev/sda1,2,3 like that...i formated my d drive with ext 4 file system and then choose that for installing ubuntu ...then below that boot device option i guess i choose windows 7 it was written there23:20
Nitinphysically means what? i have one hdd of 640gb and in that i have 3 drives C, D, E...... in C windows is installed....in D ubuntu is installed ....23:21
directhexok.23:21
directhexfirstly, no. you have one physical disk23:22
directhexsecondly, ubuntu is not "on D drive". linux doesn't work that way23:22
Nitinyes23:22
Nitini guess i am not able to explain u what i have done...?23:23
directhexyou have multiple partitions on one physical drive.23:23
Nitinyes correct23:23
directhexare you *certain* you formatted the correct partition? if you boot ubuntu, you should see your windows partitions listed on the left, towards the bottom of the unity dock23:23
directhexclick to mount the partition & explore the contents23:24
Nitini am chatting u frm ubuntu itself...and i can see my C drive where windows is installed23:24
Nitinit is perfectly showing me the contents of E drive and C drive23:25
directhexwhich version of ubuntu?23:25
Nitin12.0423:25
Nitini guess i have done something wrong with the grub23:26
directhexhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-in9V6L0wh5k/T5miG8_ZIhI/AAAAAAAAACw/s_cldFf1U1o/s400/Ubuntu+12.04+installation+step+4.jpg is the screen where you picked your partition details in the installer?23:26
Nitinthe grub menu which comes at the time when computer restarts and there few options with the ubuntu is listed...and the last option is Windows 7 something23:27
Nitinyes u got me...the last option in the pic... device for boot loader installation....there i have selected dev/sda/windows 7  something23:28
Nitineverything with the partition i have done rite...just loading problem is there23:29
directhexyou selected "/dev/sda ATA ST7645576234 (640G)" or similar, or "/dev/sda1 windows7 (200G)" or similar?23:30
Nitinyes i selected the option with windows 723:31
directhexok, it sounds like instead of picking the option which installs grub to the start of the hard disk, you picked the option which overwrote the windows boot loader23:31
Nitinok23:32
Nitinis there anything i can do to fix it23:32
directhexdo you have windows 7 install media? you can replace grub with the windows loader again with that, then restore grub to the master boot record (NOT to the windows partition's boot record) later23:32
Nitinhow about installing ubuntu again...and this time pick the right option?23:33
Nitinok how do i do that? i have the install media23:34
directhexhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/win7-windows-7-mbr,10036.html has instructions, you want to follow the steps after "fixing the master boot record"23:34
directhexcomputers from around 1981 to 2012 boot using "BIOS". BIOS boot loads the first few bytes of your hard disk and does what they say. often, they say "here's a menu of other boot loaders at the starts of partitions". the problem is instead of overwriting the master record at the start of the disk, you overwrote the record at the start of the windows partition. so when trying to boot windows from the menu, you booted the record at the start o23:36
directhexf the windows partition... which is grub, since you wrote that there23:36
Nitinok i will try... thanks for ur help23:37
Nitinone more thing i want to ask23:38
directhexthe windows installer repair functions will kill off grub... from there you can reinstall to the right place23:38
Nitinhow will i reinstall the grub again from Windows partition to other partition?23:39
directhexabsolute easiest is to reinstall ubuntu & make sure you pick the *drive*, not the *partition*, from that menu23:40
Nitinok so when i will repair my windows startup...that will make ubuntu not to start...coz it will remove the ubuntu loader...i guess....and then i can reinstall ubuntu again ? is that correct23:42
directhexyes, correct23:42
Nitinok great...23:43
Nitinone more thing...i want to ask23:43
directhex?23:44
Nitinwhile installing ubuntu... i actually created three partitions...one for /home = 40gb, /boot = 512mb, swap area = 8gb .... whether i have correct or not?23:45
Nitinand one more / = 30 gb23:45
directhexehm... that depends on a number of factors23:45
directhexcan you go to paste.ubuntu.com and past the output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" ?23:46
Nitinok one min23:46
Nitinnothing is coming up there?23:50
daftykinsthat's a lowercase L after the - yeah?23:51
Nitinactually i have 150gb free space...so how best i can use it ?23:51
daftykinsjust checking23:51
Nitinyes lower case l23:52
daftykinsit really should output plenty23:52
daftykinsbut i don't want to step on directhex' toes23:52
daftykins:>23:52
directhexNitin, it's not so much about free space. 1981-style partition layout is *super* fragile to things like partition *ordering*23:52
* daftykins is not worthy o/ o_ o/ o_23:53
directhexi.e. you can't just delete a partition from the middle of your table and put multiple ones in its place23:53
Nitinwhat syntax i have to choose in that? text only?23:53
directhexum... what?23:54
directhexit's just one command23:54
Nitinok i'll one thing...format my whole 640gb hdd..... what best i can do to make my  ubuntu work lightning fast :P23:54
directhexlike, here's mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/6423828/23:55
Nitinmine is not atall working :(23:57
directhexthat's more than a little disturbing23:57
directhexhow about "cat /proc/partitions"?23:57
Nitini just want 100gb for windows ....rest i can use for ubuntu...so what best i can do for it...?23:58
daftykins100GB won't give you much room for data alongside software and Windows23:58
directhexfrom scratch?23:58

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