[05:04] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:09] <nuvolari> o/ hallo oom Kilos :)
[05:09] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit vanogend met oom?
[05:10] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[05:10] <Kilos> redelik dankie en self?
[05:10] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom :-D pas weer in 2 van my ou broeke 
[05:10] <Kilos> haha
[05:11] <nuvolari> wel, ek sien hulle nou weer as nuwe broeke
[05:11] <Kilos> het jy minder vetmaak kosse geeet
[05:11] <Kilos> en coke en sweets
[05:11] <Kilos> lekkers
[05:22] <nuvolari> ja oom, koffie gelos, tee sonder suiker, niks swieties nie, niks brood nie
[05:23] <Kilos> eish
[06:49] <Kilos> morning gwood 
[06:55] <Kilos> me goes to kde 12.04 for a bit
[07:03] <Kilos> sheep time
[07:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:50] <Kilos> no noobs to lead astray
[08:17] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn psychicist 
[08:34] <charl> good morning
[08:35] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:35]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:38] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:38] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[08:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:38] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:38] <Vince-0> !
[08:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:39] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[08:42] <Kilos> Vince-0: !
[08:47] <Vince-0> work work
[08:52] <Kilos> and still many years of it ahead
[08:53] <Kilos> some times being old has some advantages
[08:54] <Symmetria> man, Im listening to this presentation
[08:54] <Symmetria> by this guy who is deploying fiber in the amazon
[08:54] <Symmetria> as in, through the jungle in the trees
[08:59] <Vince-0> jeepers
[09:03] <charl> wow awesome
[09:12] <charl> hi psyatw 
[09:12] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:14] <charl> how goes it
[09:39] <magespawn> good day all
[09:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:42] <magespawn> how goes it Kilos?
[09:43] <Kilos> good ty and you magespawn ?
[09:49] <magespawn> the main wireless link for the farm went down, so i spent the last two days fixing that
[09:56] <Kilos> ai!
[09:56] <Kilos> how do you find something like that
[09:56] <Kilos> as in what went down
[10:10] <magespawn> testing from both ends and then replace 
[10:13] <magespawn> Nanobridge M5 link from here to town, one on each end, the town one is connected directly to the adsl line and the farm side to the linksys router that controls the network on the this side
[10:21] <magespawn> connected directly to the adsl router in town
[10:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:46] <Kilos> been a testing time hey magespawn ? but you on top off it so well done
[11:15] <magespawn> getting there Kilos, thanks
[11:15] <mazal> Afternoon everyone
[11:16] <magespawn> hi mazal 
[11:16] <mazal> How goes magespawn ?
[11:17] <magespawn> good and you?
[11:27] <mazal> Ok thanx
[11:52] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[11:52] <mazal> Mirrag oom
[11:52] <Kilos> wat het jy nou gebreek
[11:52] <Kilos> hehe
[11:53] <mazal> Niks nie , te moeg om iets te breek :)
[11:54] <Kilos> haha
[11:54] <mazal> Was 'n harde week die
[11:58] <Kilos> hoekom?
[12:02] <mazal> Baie werk gehad.
[12:06] <Kilos> nee man baie werk is as jy tot 10pm elke aand werk en kry nie klaar nie
[12:06] <Kilos> nm
[12:06] <Kilos> 2200
[12:07] <Kilos> dit lekker warm buite. hulle het gese 38 maar ek dink dis ietwat minder
[12:08] <mazal> Dis serious hitte wat ons die jaar het
[12:09] <mazal> Maak my bang vir hael
[12:09] <Kilos> ja baie lekker
[12:09] <Kilos> kan miskien storm weer later
[12:09] <Kilos> hael is stikstof vir plante
[12:09] <Kilos> stukstof
[12:09] <Kilos> daai goed
[12:17] <mazal> Maar dit breek als stukkend
[12:17] <Kilos> ja party keer
[12:34] <Kilos> wb aquarat 
[12:40] <Kilos> wbb
[12:40] <mazal> Any Linre Office Calc experts here ?
[12:43] <Kilos> hmm... 
[12:46] <mazal> Laat my nou dink aan daai ou liedtjie " Things that make you go hmmmmm "
[12:47] <Kilos> lol
[12:49] <mazal> Deesdae het ek net " things that make you go huh ????? "
[13:07] <magespawn> more and more
[13:27] <mazal> Enjoy your weekend everyone
[13:28] <mazal> Cheers !!
[14:14] <magespawn> later all, home time for me
[14:15] <magespawn> exit
[14:23] <kbmonkey> hello
[14:30] <Kilos> yo kbmonkey you feeling better
[14:30] <kbmonkey> much kilos thanks man
[14:31] <Kilos> good
[14:31] <kbmonkey> yup
[14:31] <Vince-0> kbmonkey, !
[14:31] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0 !
[14:32] <kbmonkey> I cannot fathom why most cli mail agents are so whacky to configure!
[14:32] <kbmonkey> they make me want to eat my hat
[14:33] <Vince-0> cli ninjas must suffer
[14:33] <kbmonkey> you sure learn a lot about the protocols underneath the covers!
[14:35] <kbmonkey> I set up an imap sync to my local which is used as the mailbox, reading mails is lightning fast now
[14:35] <kbmonkey> now to set up sending... :P
[14:35] <Vince-0> you could try using davmail - I use it in front of exchange 
[14:36] <Vince-0> then Evolution talks to DAV and exchange can gtfo
[14:40] <kbmonkey> lol, no this is all IMAP
[14:41] <Vince-0> home time!
[14:41] <kbmonkey> still, it is amazing how 99% of mail clients misinterpreted and misimplement the IMAP standard
[15:50] <Kilos> yesterday was a hard day for the pro
[15:50] <Kilos> most likely wont see him till sunday night
[15:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you still studying?
[15:51] <Kilos> hi Private_User you still shutting down
[15:51] <Kilos> ?
[15:52] <Kilos> hi gerritfromsa 
[15:52] <gerritfromsa> Howzit from Jhb
[15:52] <Kilos> lekker in pts. we waiting for next storm to build
[15:53] <Kilos> pta
[15:53] <gerritfromsa> Just got my 1st tablet can you believe it
[15:53] <gerritfromsa> Feeil
[15:53] <gerritfromsa> Feels like i was left behind...
[15:53] <Kilos> haha i dont have one and my sisters one made me hate them
[15:54] <Kilos> too much to still learn android stuff
[15:54] <gerritfromsa> Got one from tarsus for just R1800
[15:54] <Kilos> ah she got the 999 one somewhere in midrand
[15:55] <Kilos> stylus
[15:55] <Kilos> can do email
[15:55] <Kilos> yay
[15:59] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[16:28]  * nlsthzn is not studying... should be but isn't... so sad
[16:30] <kbmonkey> tell me about it, heh
[16:30] <kbmonkey> it is like work is our cryptonite
[16:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:33] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:45] <Kilos> naughty nlsthzn 
[16:59] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:59]  * Kilos gonna hit you
[17:00] <Kilos> priorities
[17:00] <Kilos> first study then play to relåx before the next study session
[17:01] <Kilos> oh ya nlsthzn what we gonna do about poor langjan with his webcam not working on skype
[17:01] <Kilos> is it the skype install that faulty or what
[17:01] <Kilos> maybe a purge and reinstall?
[17:06] <nlsthzn> thing is skype is closed source so if the issue is with skype you are stuck. the fact that it works in cheese etc. tells me that driver wise everything is ok...
[17:06] <nlsthzn> then again what the hell do I know :
[17:06] <Kilos> yeah but didnt he say it worked on 12.04 before
[17:07] <Kilos> dont act doff man , you clever
[17:08] <Kilos> if it worked on 12.04 before he went 13.04 then back again means he has conf probs , not so?
[17:10] <nlsthzn> not impossible...
[17:10] <Kilos> shame the poor guy
[17:10] <nlsthzn> the real clever peeps are the ones that know where to start looking and what commands can tell them the info they need... and most of them can't care less about skype
[17:10] <Kilos> and he a serious ballie
[17:11] <nlsthzn> there are alternatives to skype IMO... that work better and are less hassle :/
[17:11] <Kilos> ya but he cant expect all his contacts to change as well
[17:12] <Kilos> i have no idea how webcams work so cant help him but he has been trying to get help for a long time now
[17:12] <Kilos> poor show from our side hey?
[17:13] <Kilos> not us the clever guys
[17:15] <Kilos> lemme mail him and get him here so we can hear what he has tried and so on
[17:36] <Kilos> ubuntu must work
[17:36] <Kilos> grrr
[17:40] <Kilos> where do webcams plug in usb ?
[17:41] <kbmonkey> yes, usb
[17:42] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[17:43] <kbmonkey> yw Kilos 
[17:43] <Kilos> and what is cheese? apart from the lekker stuff that goes inna mouth
[17:43] <kbmonkey> rofl
[17:43] <kbmonkey> it takes snaps frm the webcam
[17:44] <Kilos> oh
[17:44] <kbmonkey> videos of pictures
[17:44] <Kilos> ty
[17:44] <kbmonkey> as in, "say cheese"
[17:44]  * Kilos needs to sort some uncapped wifi from somewhere so i can try these things
[17:45] <Kilos> lol is that where they got the name
[17:45] <kbmonkey> don't worry you are not missing much
[17:45] <Kilos> cheese- to make it look like you smiling
[17:45] <kbmonkey> our kamera takes nicer pics than a webcam can 
[17:45] <kbmonkey> your*
[17:46] <Kilos> what camera?
[17:46] <kbmonkey> any camera
[17:46] <Kilos> oh
[17:46] <kbmonkey> oh, ha ha I get you
[17:46] <Kilos> i got one in my nokia
[17:46] <Kilos> all i need
[17:46] <kbmonkey> perfect
[17:47] <Kilos> if i can get jan here ill make him work till that cam works
[17:47] <Kilos> even clean reinstall
[17:47] <Kilos> last resort of course
[17:48] <kbmonkey> ah, the reinstall last resort, a remnant from the windows culture
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> no man thats the first resort there
[17:51] <Kilos> you must hang here the weekend kbmonkey im sure langjan will pop in sometime
[17:51] <Kilos> ill tell him what size hammer to use and you tell which hand to use
[17:51] <kbmonkey> sure. fair warning, I only had one webcam and never used it much
[17:52] <kbmonkey> also if its skype I cant help
[17:52] <kbmonkey> if it works with cheese or vlc then yes
[17:52] <Kilos> listen to the reasoning
[17:53] <kbmonkey> right 'o
[17:53] <Kilos> if it worked before he went 13.03
[17:53] <Kilos> then he came back to 12.04
[17:53] <Kilos> he mighta not formatted home so still has the 13.04 prob there
[17:54] <Kilos> or done a backup from the 13.04
[17:54] <kbmonkey> usb thingies use drivers and those live in the linux kernel so it could be the older one does not have his webcam drivers
[17:55] <kbmonkey> but ya, it is testable using vlc and things
[17:55] <Kilos> no man it worked on 12.04 first time
[17:56] <kbmonkey> gotcha
[17:56] <Kilos> upgrading killed it
[17:56] <kbmonkey> ag no man
[17:57] <Kilos> i once had an xchat prob and the only cure was to delete a hidden file in home
[17:57] <Kilos> .xchat or something
[17:57] <kbmonkey> dotfiles
[17:57] <kbmonkey> those are configuration files
[17:58] <kbmonkey> they start with a dot
[17:58] <Kilos> ya them
[17:58] <Kilos> but normally hidden
[17:58] <kbmonkey> yes, any file starting with a dot is 'hidden' from normal view
[17:59] <Kilos> does aptitude or apt-get purge delete them?
[18:00] <kbmonkey> the purge command removes configs yes
[18:00] <Kilos> cool
[18:00] <kbmonkey> the remove command just removes the app, but keeps the config
[18:00] <Kilos> we get him to purge skype
[18:00] <kbmonkey> thats the difference between the two
[18:00] <kbmonkey> alright
[18:00] <Kilos> then reinstall with cam plugged in
[18:01] <Kilos> and hold thumbs
[18:01] <kbmonkey> dmesg tells you what the 'puter "sees" as you connect a usb thing. 
[18:02] <kbmonkey> that helps to find out if the webcam is seen properly
[18:02] <Kilos> ok if he comes you give that kinda info
[18:02] <kbmonkey> great :)
[18:02] <Kilos> it must be if cheese sees it
[18:03] <Kilos> sick skype.conf methinks
[18:03] <kbmonkey> I see my folks tomorrow daytime, but I will probably be on line after
[18:03] <Kilos> cool
[18:04] <Kilos> ty
[18:07] <kbmonkey> yw :)
[18:07] <kbmonkey> i go eat dinner now, horay
[18:08] <Kilos> hehe
[18:27] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:28] <inetpro> Maaz: ask Kilos why are you so quiet this evening?
[18:28] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll ask Kilos on freenode
[18:29] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:29]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:29] <Kilos> ohi inetpro hows you?
[18:29] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "ask Kilos why are you so quiet this evening?" 25 seconds ago
[18:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:30] <Kilos> i dont sit and watch the screen all the time man
[18:30] <Kilos> 5 to blank screen
[18:30] <Kilos> 5  mins
[18:30] <Kilos> thats why the bloep
[18:30] <inetpro> you been quiet for almost half an hour
[18:30] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[18:31] <Kilos> was reading onna fone
[18:31] <inetpro> oh
[18:31] <inetpro> why?
[18:31] <psychicist> evening inetpro 
[18:31] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:31] <Kilos> im about half way through all the scifi books at gutemburg.org
[18:31] <inetpro> good evening psychicist
[18:31] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no ways
[18:32] <Kilos> im telling you
[18:32] <Kilos> lots are short, like 80kB so a couple a day
[18:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: it's gutenberg.org
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:33] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:33] <Kilos> oh ya sorry
[18:34] <Kilos> we need to teach the bot to hand out biltong
[18:34] <Kilos> while you doing nothing think about why jans skype might not work
[18:35] <inetpro> ai!
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: the list on the Science Fiction Bookshelf is massive
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: did you find any good reads?
[18:38] <Kilos> yeah some very good books there
[18:38] <Kilos> and old books that talk about things long before they were established facts
[18:40] <Kilos> dont ai! man poor jan sukkeling and no one else wants to help
[18:40] <Kilos> and he 10 years older than me
[18:40] <Kilos> shame
[18:46] <inetpro> :-)
[18:47]  * inetpro is no fan of skype, thus better if it aint working
[18:47] <inetpro> G+ hangouts is 10 times better
[18:48] <Kilos> to each his own
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you even start choosing a book from that list
[18:48] <inetpro> ?
[18:49] <Kilos> you download them in qioo format
[18:49] <Kilos> to your pc then drag drop onto fone memory card
[18:49] <Kilos> build in reader in each book
[18:50] <inetpro> no man, what I mean is that there are so many to choose from
[18:50] <Kilos> tick on the book you want and it goes there
[18:50] <Kilos> lol i started top and bottom
[18:50] <Kilos> qioo format is the lightest download
[18:50] <inetpro> sjoe, those at the top look boring
[18:51] <Kilos> some are but in between there are good ones
[19:12] <charl> hi inetpro, Kilos 
[19:12] <charl> what is good for voip and is completely open source
[19:12] <inetpro> hello charl
[19:12] <Kilos> hi charl 
[19:12] <charl> i tried a whole bunch of implementations but they seem to suffer from terrible echo issues or horrible sound quality
[19:12] <charl> have not tried rapidshare for voice yet
[19:13] <inetpro> charl: you think there are proprietary solutions that don't have problems?
[19:13] <charl> skype works really really well
[19:13] <charl> so apparently there are :)
[19:13] <charl> great sound quality and echo cancelling - no problems at all
[19:14] <nlsthzn> to conference call with vary low latency use the apps gamers use like teamspeak etc
[19:14] <charl> is teamspeak open source?
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm... I've had calls with people on skype that were absolutely horrendous 
[19:14] <nlsthzn> ah opensource I don't know
[19:15] <charl> good to know there is one alternative to skype in any case
[19:16] <charl> i would much rather use something that isn't from microsoft
[19:16] <inetpro> charl: google+ hangouts to the same people has worked much better for me
[19:17] <charl> interesting, and that all runs inside a browser?
[19:17] <charl> although i want to try and avoid google almost as much as i avoid microsoft
[19:19] <inetpro> and I can agree with that as well, unfortunately I haven't found other practicable solutions 
[19:20] <charl> same here
[19:20] <inetpro> unfortunately google, iirc, was able to buy the developer who started the oss solution that was built into pidgin
[19:21] <inetpro> can't remember the name
[19:21] <charl> the xmpp jingle protocol?
[19:21] <charl> the main problem is not with the vehicle but with the oss codecs it seems
[19:21] <charl> maybe there are some free codecs that don't suck but the default ones usually just suck
[19:22] <inetpro> not sure what it was, but I was very disapointed at the time when this happened
[19:22] <charl> it's hard for me to believe that we still don't have a workable alternative for voip on linux to be honest
[19:22] <charl> i should say, an open source one i mean
[19:23] <charl> by the way, i dunno if you saw but i had a very interesting conversation with darksurferza re that proposal of mine
[19:23] <inetpro> this is exactly why we need the focus on proper oss licensing
[19:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:24] <inetpro> obviously programmers also want to put bread on the table
[19:25] <inetpro> but we have to find solutions that are self sustainable
[19:25] <Kilos> charl, http://www.jitsi.org
[19:26] <charl> yeah but i mean a lot of programmers for example work at universities like me
[19:26] <charl> if you develop code on government funding you don't care what happens to it, you want it to get used by as many people as possible
[19:26] <charl> it's not like you have any worries about making money out of it
[19:26] <inetpro> Tivoization is evil!
[19:26] <Kilos> saved that link when still on 10.10
[19:26] <charl> Kilos: have tried it, it sucks
[19:26] <Kilos> ah
[19:26] <charl> hmmm the new version looks good
[19:27] <charl> maybe i should try it again, but i could remember last time it really was terrible
[19:27] <Kilos> well man still evolving
[19:27] <charl> yeah exactly
[19:27] <charl> growing pains etc
[19:27] <charl> ok lemme try it again
[19:28] <charl> last time i was developing open source software i picked the affero gpl
[19:28] <charl> because that is another loophole, saas
[19:28] <Kilos> if it has potential then help them improve it
[19:33] <inetpro> charl: asterisk?
[19:34] <inetpro> must say I've never tried it
[19:37] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wb
[19:37] <inetpro> charl: what about ekiga?
[19:38] <charl> inetpro: yeah but asterisk is a sip server, then you in any case have issues with nat routing
[19:38] <charl> inetpro: afaik sip is very insecure too
[19:38] <charl> ok for on a corporate lan for example
[19:38] <charl> otherwise you will have to start using vpns etc
[19:39] <Kilos> charl, is that jitsy like pidgin
[19:39] <Kilos> not a proper skype tool
[19:41] <charl> tried ekiga too, absolutely terrible
[19:41] <charl> echo, voice quality is horrible
[19:41] <charl> i should add, i tried it 12+ months ago
[19:41] <charl> about 18 months i think
[19:41] <charl> maybe in the meantime it could have improved
[19:41] <Kilos> lots happens in 18 months
[19:42] <Kilos> maybe i crash now
[19:42] <Kilos> sleep tight guys
[19:42] <inetpro> good night oom
[19:42] <Kilos> guten nicht
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:42] <charl> nacht
[19:42] <charl> lol nicht is "not"
[19:42] <Kilos> ah
[19:42] <Kilos> dom donner
[19:42] <charl> :D
[19:43] <inetpro> :-)
[19:43] <charl> have a good night Kilos :)
[19:43] <Kilos> guten nacht
[19:43] <Kilos> ty see youall morrow