| OvenWerks | Just some thoughts... I know there are not that any people here right now, but, what things about the way the desktop is do you find anoying/confusing? | 17:09 |
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| OvenWerks | I think I will be more vocal about this in the ML | 17:09 |
| holstein | i think JACK is a mess, still | 17:10 |
| holstein | just clicking on something like ardour will not typically make audio start to work | 17:10 |
| holstein | it basically either crashes something, or starts JACK in the background, potentially making audio not work | 17:11 |
| holstein | not sure what to do about this | 17:11 |
| holstein | i think we might still have an identity issue as well.. is the desktop for audio? video? graphics? | 17:12 |
| holstein | if its for video, "why doesnt it include my favorite editor, which is the best option in linux".. they say | 17:12 |
| holstein | i *really* like the idea of adding the studio workflows to any DE | 17:13 |
| holstein | it gets back to a sort of idea that cory came in with.. basically not having a particular "release" of an official kind, but maintaining packages and meta packages | 17:14 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: what do you find "annoying"? | 17:14 |
| holstein | OvenWerks: that mute bug is a drag.. and the screensaver/locker looks *bad* | 17:50 |
| zequence | holstein: That is one thing I've been planning to work on this cycle | 20:17 |
| zequence | might require a wrapper script for each application that can use jack | 20:17 |
| zequence | or, upstream changes. Trying to create some sort of standard | 20:17 |
| holstein | its tough | 20:18 |
| holstein | i think falk is looking at that as well | 20:18 |
| zequence | really? I should talk with him about that then | 20:19 |
| holstein | wont hurt | 20:19 |
| holstein | im sure he'd share | 20:19 |
| zequence | Just makes sense we don't do more than one solution to that problem | 20:27 |
| holstein | why break tradition ;) | 20:27 |
| zequence | hehe | 20:29 |
| holstein | seems like we could talk everyone upstream into leaving that lock screen | 20:29 |
| OvenWerks | holstein: I was talking about desktop stuff itself | 20:38 |
| OvenWerks | Take a quick look at the email I sent to the list | 20:38 |
| OvenWerks | I agree the way Jack works is not the best either though. | 20:40 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: We haven't really discussed changing the desktop at all. I know some people are wanting to do that, but that would be in contrast with the idea that we base our DE and settings entirely on existing packages | 20:41 |
| zequence | In which case, we would do no customization at all | 20:41 |
| zequence | The whole idea with Ubuntu Studio is after all to work on anything, not just our own setup | 20:41 |
| OvenWerks | Ok. I can live wit5h that | 20:41 |
| zequence | I'm not against us having a default DE setup though. | 20:42 |
| OvenWerks | If we do I would like to make sure there is nothing that slows down productivity | 20:43 |
| zequence | That sort of stuff is so personalö | 20:43 |
| zequence | I think the menu is already doing the biggest job in enhancing productivity | 20:44 |
| zequence | would be nice to have better controls for audio, and that is a goal for ubuntustudio-controls | 20:44 |
| OvenWerks | Some of it is... and those thing should be left alone in some sort of sane "everyone does it this way" default | 20:44 |
| OvenWerks | There are two things that right now I feel can get in the way. In particular of new users | 20:46 |
| OvenWerks | Having the scroll wheel skip through desktops is one. | 20:46 |
| OvenWerks | To someone coming from the normal world where extra desktops don't exist... It can be disturbing to ones workflow | 20:47 |
| zequence | Today having multiple workspaces is becoming standard | 20:48 |
| zequence | on IOS and android, so I don't fully agree there | 20:48 |
| zequence | Even OSX does it these days | 20:48 |
| zequence | I can agree on that the expected behaviour of double clicking the top panel of a window is to make it maximized, and so it is on many DEs | 20:49 |
| OvenWerks | The person not used to it, scrolling on the focused window, all of a sudden finds themselves transported to a blank screen. | 20:49 |
| zequence | It's a nice feature I think. Would be better in that case to prepare a short introduction to the desktop, when first logging in | 20:51 |
| OvenWerks | Ok we can make a title bar double click do that... it was doing a "rollup". | 20:51 |
| zequence | On XFCE, the rollup is traditional, is it not? | 20:52 |
| OvenWerks | I'll check what the current default is | 20:52 |
| OvenWerks | OK, but what do we want? | 20:52 |
| zequence | Let's add those suggestions to the -desktop blueprint | 20:53 |
| zequence | or, -default-settings | 20:53 |
| OvenWerks | Someone coming from a windows audio environment already has to learn linux audio and apps, do they need to learn a totally new DE as well? | 20:54 |
| zequence | madeinkobaia has some rather radical ideas for a Ubuntu Studio theme, and he's probably also intrested in looking at changing the DE | 20:54 |
| OvenWerks | Ok, maybe he is the better one to do it then | 20:55 |
| OvenWerks | Should we include Writer by default? | 20:55 |
| zequence | I don't think one person should decide everything. It's best to have some discussion about the whole direction we want to go towards | 20:55 |
| OvenWerks | right now we just have an installer and it installes all of libreoffice | 20:56 |
| zequence | Yes, I think it would make sense to include LibreOffice, but let's not decide that now. | 20:56 |
| zequence | The proper way would be for someone to pick up the entire publishing workflow, and do research, list applications, and make decisions based on that | 20:57 |
| OvenWerks | Kubuntu include Loffice, but it is not on the iso, it is downloaded/installed on install to disk. | 20:57 |
| OvenWerks | Do we have people to do that? | 20:58 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Sure. Us :) | 21:30 |
| zequence | I personally have other priorities before I would get to that | 21:30 |
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