[00:10] <Kaapa> ok, the problem seems to be related to compiz
[00:10] <Kaapa> if compiz starts with session start, something with xfce goes wrong
[00:11] <Kaapa> if I start with xfwm4 and then replace, works
[00:18] <brainwash> Kaapa: glad you found the culprit
[00:20] <Kaapa> still takes lot of time to log out
[00:20] <Kaapa> is there a log file around that I can look into?
[00:20] <Kaapa> .xsession-errors doesn't report a lot
[00:20] <brainwash> usually it does
[00:20] <brainwash> or is it 13.10?
[00:24] <Kaapa> it is
[00:25] <Kaapa> http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/3612299
[00:25] <Kaapa> only has this
[00:27] <GridCube> compiz is not recommended
[00:27] <Kaapa> yeah, I guess
[00:28] <Kaapa> but personally it's a performance booster :S
[00:31] <brainwash> Kaapa: check ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[00:32] <brainwash> compiz isn't the cause of the delayed logout, right?
[00:34] <Kaapa> that's the command to pastebin from console?
[00:35] <brainwash> check like "you should check this logfile instead"
[00:35] <Kaapa> no, I undestood :)
[00:36] <Kaapa> just doesn  seem very healthy
[00:36] <Kaapa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6423934/
[00:37] <brainwash> right, high amount of warnings and so on
[00:38] <Kaapa> well, this is kind'a back to normal
[00:38] <Kaapa> weird...
[00:39] <Kaapa> well, thanks for the help
[00:39] <brainwash> :)
[04:04] <frankbro> I have compiled and installed (in /usr/local) a new panel plugin, how can I put it on my panels? It's not appearing in the list.
[04:31] <holstein> frankbro: i would ask the maintainers of the plugin
[08:29] <blinking_> Hello
[08:29] <blinking_> I'
[08:29] <blinking_> I
[08:30] <blinking_> I've installed xubuntu to SD card from USB thumbdrive (livecd)  on a CR48 (Chromebook) and installing to SD card. After reboot it's just a blining underscore
[08:43] <well_laid_lawn> !nomodeset
[08:47] <blinking_> Thanks, but its not a black screen
[08:47] <blinking_> it's a blinking underscore
[08:49] <bazhang> busybox prompt?
[08:53] <blinking_> ?
[08:53] <blinking_> I can't type during it, lol
[08:54] <blinking_> it's like DOS blinking
[08:55] <blinking_> sup wizard
[09:48] <West> Does anyone know which version of xfce Xubuntu 13.10 is using ?
[09:51] <tsimpson> 4.10.1
[09:52] <West> tsimpson: thank you, I wasn't sure.
[09:52] <TheSheep> !info xfwm4
[09:53] <West> I don't mean to sound controversal, but doesn't Xubuntu run any ads like the main version ? I know there is a way to disable them, but that's not the point.
[09:53] <West> **does Xubuntu
[09:54] <tsimpson> no
[09:55] <West> tsimpson: good, thanks again. .
[09:58] <GrandCouillon> Hello guys ! By mistake, I pressed the "Don't show again" button in a notification window. How can I reenable the message again ? (Xubuntu 13.10)
[10:37] <nikolam> weather xfce applet in xubuntu 12.04 LTS 32bit does not work again , for over 5 weeks now
[11:13] <irgendwer4711> hi, I tried to add some program to start menu using "main menu configurator" but this has no effect. new program does not appear.
[11:15] <irgendwer4711> know problem?
[11:51] <Mitizaro> hey there!!
[11:51] <Mitizaro> anybody here?
[11:51] <cfhowlett> Mitizaro, greetings
[11:52] <Mitizaro> thank u
[11:52] <Mitizaro> i have a GRUB question
[11:52] <Mitizaro> can u give me a hand a bit? :)
[11:52] <cfhowlett> Mitizaro, I'll try
[11:52] <Mitizaro> thank u!!
[11:52] <cfhowlett> grub is not my strongest ...
[11:52] <Mitizaro> so i have VectorLinux 7,  but just installed  XUBUNTU 13.10
[11:52] <bekks> 7 lines and still no question... :P
[11:53] <cfhowlett> bekks, better than the jackhole who entered the other with a hearty "Hello B*****s!"
[11:53] <cfhowlett> other DAY
[11:53] <bekks> Indeed
[11:54] <Mitizaro> still i used to have linux Mint 9  ISADORA, but the GRUB somehow finds it corrupted (didnt install VL properly to save the Mint9)   -- thats not a problem. But after installing XUBUNTU -- i neither see it in the GRUB menu during "the choice for boot", neither does hitting the MINT 9 slot loads it (cuz its in the (former) MINT 9 partition)
[11:55] <Mitizaro> my question is - how do i add XUBUNTU 13.10 in the GRUB menu from Vector Linux? (given that it is located in the former MINT 9 Partition,  and that the GRUB choice for Mint 9 was corrupted)
[11:55] <cfhowlett> Mitizaro, WAY more grub issues than I can deal with. Ask here or in #ubuntu.
[11:56] <Mitizaro> okay to simplyfy it - how can i add XUBUNTU 13.10 to the grub menu
[11:57] <elfy> boot vector and update grub from there I'd assume as a first option
[11:57] <elfy> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Reinstalling_GRUB_2
[11:57] <cfhowlett> elfy, wouldn't the most recently installed grub take priority?
[11:58] <elfy> cfhowlett: possibly - hence the grub install page :)
[11:59] <elfy> you 'should I assume' be able to reinstall the grub for vector somehow, then you'll be able to update it and it should find xubuntu
[11:59] <Mitizaro> yes
[11:59] <Mitizaro> thats what i'm trying to do
[12:01] <elfy> Mitizaro: read the wiki - all the issues I've ever had I've dealt with using the options on there
[12:02] <elfy> but it's really a vector linux support issue
[12:02] <Mitizaro> well
[12:02] <Mitizaro> the irc channel is not very... crowded
[12:02] <Mitizaro> sudo grub-install /dev/sdX   - gives me   /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/sdX'.
[12:03] <elfy> it will ...
[12:03] <elfy> change the X to suit what it actually is ;)
[12:04] <Mitizaro> i mean
[12:04] <Mitizaro> when i hit it
[12:04] <Mitizaro> u received
[12:04] <Mitizaro> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/sdX'.
[12:04] <bekks> Did you replace sdX with the correct device?
[12:04] <Mitizaro> oh... i see
[12:06] <Mitizaro> okay
[12:06] <Mitizaro> it worked
[12:06] <Mitizaro> but i can't run the  "sudo update-grub" cuz its says there's no such command
[12:06] <bekks> You are in Ubuntu currently, are you?
[12:09] <Mitizaro> in Vector
[12:09] <Mitizaro> VectorLinux 7.0
[12:09] <Mitizaro> slackware
[12:11] <Mitizaro> i'm wondering how i can opne the "grub.cfg" file under root (some terminal command?)
[12:13] <elfy> something like this might help, but I've not had to do that for a long time    grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:13] <elfy> someone else might have used that more recently
[12:13] <Mitizaro> um
[12:14] <Mitizaro> then how do u guys edit GRUB???
[12:14] <Mitizaro> isnt it with the leafpad and then manually typing?
[12:14] <Mitizaro> cuz ive got no GRUB app in the menu
[12:14] <bekks> There is no such app...
[12:14] <Mitizaro> yeah
[12:14] <Mitizaro> so it has to be manual
[12:14] <bekks> !grub2 | Mitizaro
[12:14] <Guerilla> I am installing xubuntu on my dads old laptop and wondering whether to install the latest release or the LTS 12.04.
[12:15] <Mitizaro> but i get permission denied when opening it with right click> open with leafpad
[12:15] <Mitizaro> oh i see
[12:16] <Mitizaro> the  grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg  just auto-attuned grub
[12:16] <Mitizaro> nice!!
[12:16] <Mitizaro> thank u, now i'm gonna restart and see what happens
[12:17] <cfhowlett> Guerilla, the newest version has a  month life cycle.  LTS has 5 years on the desktop and a new verion coming April.  Your choice
[12:18] <elfy> cfhowlett: they've gone :)
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Hope they chose wisely
[12:19] <elfy> good job they don't think that 13.10 only has a month life cycle though :D
[12:19] <Mitizaro> okay
[12:19] <Mitizaro> didnt work
[12:20] <Mitizaro> i get some error file not found and
[12:20] <Mitizaro> (when i click the xub choice)
[12:20] <cfhowlett> Mitizaro, no error messages = no way to analyze your issue
[12:20] <Mitizaro> and then black screen -- keyboard's caps lock and the second green lamp - pinging on/off
[12:21] <Mitizaro> i guess i didn't install it properly - gotta secure the valuable files here, and i'm gonna install XUB in "auto install" and erase everything with it (i have VL's disc too)
[12:21] <bekks> Mitizaro: Thats a kernel panic then.
[12:21] <Mitizaro> lol
[12:21] <Mitizaro> what?
[12:22] <bekks> Your kernel died, missing in action, so to say.
[12:22] <Mitizaro> aha... so what can i do?
[12:22] <Mitizaro> i mean
[12:22] <Mitizaro> it will probably be okay if
[12:23] <Mitizaro> i just reinstall XUB on ALL of the hard?
[12:23] <Mitizaro> erasing all other OS
[12:23] <bekks> Please dont press enter that often, it makes things hard to read.
[12:23] <cfhowlett> Mitizaro, that should clear everything up, yes
[12:23] <Mitizaro> i see
[12:23] <cfhowlett> !enter
[12:24] <Mitizaro> THANKS TO ALL OF U -- i wish u a nice day! :)
[12:27] <xubuntu936> Hello, anyone here?
[12:31] <xubuntu936> amixer set Master toggle
[12:31] <xubuntu936> doesnt toggle
[12:31] <xubuntu936> lol
[14:55] <gandhi> I've problems with ubiquity when installing xubuntu 13.10, is always crashing. Can somebody help me?
[15:02] <Mitizaro> hey there -- i can't configure my NVIDIA drivers.. after running:  "nvidia-xconfig" i get the message:  "
[15:02] <Mitizaro> WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'. "
[15:03] <Mitizaro> both happens on the 310. ver  and the 173. ver (before AND after reboot)
[15:05] <Mitizaro> someone?
[15:07] <Mitizaro> helooooooooooo
[17:53] <gdos> how do i setup a local mailserver or mailspool file to read system messages (or to email other users on the same system without accessing the network or internet)?
[17:55] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer is where i would start gdos .. maybe moving to a server channel or mailing list for specifics.. you can try #ubuntu since this is not specific to xubuntu or XFCE
[17:55] <Donnie_Darko21> hello can someone tell where where i can adjust the brightness for my lap top got 13.10
[17:56] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: i use the keyboard shortcuts, and they "just work" on most of my intel hardware machines.. this functionality may depend on the graphics driver or driver support from the manufacturer
[17:56] <TheSheep> Donnie_Darko21: hello again, you should have keys for that in the top row of your laptop's keyboard
[17:56] <Donnie_Darko21> oh when i press FN plus for high lights
[17:56] <Donnie_Darko21> it wont let me to make it high
[17:57] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: is it adjusting it at all?
[17:57] <Donnie_Darko21> yes
[17:57] <Donnie_Darko21> but 1 sec
[17:57] <Donnie_Darko21> and back again to low lights
[17:57] <holstein> if so, then the issue is not "i need to adjust brightness".. occasionally, i have added a kernel line to get the screen brighter.. or used a different or more suitabe driver
[17:58] <TheSheep> Donnie_Darko21: can you open a terminal, run 'xrandr' in it and pastebin the result at http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:58] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: so, you brighten the screen, and when idle, the screen dims? if so, that is a setting in power management
[17:58] <Donnie_Darko21> hmm in ubuntu was called brighness and was at seeting or tweak
[17:58] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[17:58] <Donnie_Darko21> yes but cant find it
[17:58] <Donnie_Darko21> in settings or tweak
[17:58] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: the setting im referring to is in the powermanagement.. for dimming the screen whed idle
[17:59] <Donnie_Darko21> i see but its not power managment from power on the lap top the default lights is low
[18:00] <holstein> Donnie_Darko21: and the paste output of xrandr?
[18:00] <Donnie_Darko21> one sec
[18:01] <Donnie_Darko21> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6427569/
[18:04] <Donnie_Darko21> which software can i install compatible with xfce for adjusting brightness
[18:06] <Donnie_Darko21> mine eyes burning me
[18:06] <Donnie_Darko21> come on :D
[18:15] <Donnie_Darko21> omg cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness is 7
[18:21] <TheSheep> Donnie_Darko21: ok, try this: xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness 1
[18:22] <Donnie_Darko21> nothing happen
[18:22] <Donnie_Darko21> ok now
[18:22] <Donnie_Darko21> installed xbacklight
[18:22] <Donnie_Darko21> it work
[18:23] <Donnie_Darko21> set to 100
[18:24] <Donnie_Darko21> cant find some gui software
[18:44] <Donnie_Darko21> where can i find ubuntu software i need the bin
[18:44] <Donnie_Darko21> path
[18:48] <Donnie_Darko21> the path for ubuntu software center
[18:48] <ozberk> usr/share/bin I guess
[18:49] <elfy> //usr/bin/software-center
[18:50] <elfy> without the extra one ;)
[18:54] <Donnie_Darko21> yeah thanks
[18:54] <Donnie_Darko21> but dont install the adobe flash
[18:54] <ball> In what ways would Xubuntu differ from Debian with xfce?
[18:54] <Donnie_Darko21> i really hate adobe flash
[18:55] <ball> I'm surprised how much stuff works today even if you don't have Adobe Flash installed.
[18:55] <ball> Pleasantly surprised, mind.
[18:56] <Donnie_Darko21> yeah but really its very bad always its wrong with adobe and why they dont to it .deb file
[18:57] <Donnie_Darko21> if i m not wrong which was it for converting into deb file ... rpm to deb ?
[18:58] <Donnie_Darko21> found it with alien
[18:58] <Donnie_Darko21> and yeah
[18:59] <Donnie_Darko21> for java too
[18:59] <Donnie_Darko21> ;D
[18:59] <Donnie_Darko21> always conflicting
[18:59] <Donnie_Darko21> i will try with alien now
[18:59] <TheSheep> usually using rpms is a pretty bad idea
[18:59] <TheSheep> they are not prepared for your system
[19:06] <Donnie_Darko21> hmm did alien can convert it ?
[19:06] <Donnie_Darko21> will be deb then :)
[19:28] <Mitizaro> helllllllo there... someone here?
[19:28] <TheSheep> no
[19:28] <ball> No, we were all eaten by small dogs.
[19:28] <ball> ;-)
[19:30] <Mitizaro> okay
[19:30] <Mitizaro> so
[19:30] <Mitizaro> my nvidia drivers cant install them in XUB 13.10
[19:31] <Mitizaro> i did it, but i've got to run "nvidia-xconfig"
[19:32] <Mitizaro> i do so, and i get this:
[19:32] <Mitizaro> WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
[19:32] <Mitizaro> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'."
[19:32] <Mitizaro> aaaaand so i cant use my drivers..
[19:33] <Mitizaro> small dogs invasion!?!?!?
[19:34]  * ball nods
[19:34] <ball> Those happen.
[19:34] <Mitizaro> shiet..
[19:34] <Mitizaro> so any ideas how i can fix that? i run it as root, it happens with the 170 and 310 drivers too...
[19:35] <Mitizaro> oh shiet..
[19:35] <Mitizaro> i remembered -- i have to deinstall a lot of stuff i think
[19:40] <ball> brb
[19:59] <xubuntu642> hi
[20:00] <xubuntu642> xubuntu broadcom bcm4311 wireless problem. help mi
[20:01] <xubuntu642> lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7
[20:01] <xubuntu642> iwconfig lo        no wireless extensions.  eth0      no wireless extensions.
[20:02] <holstein> !broadcom | xubuntu642
[20:02] <xubuntu642> thank you
[20:03] <holstein> xubuntu642: the easy way, in my opinion.. wire up to network access, search the repos for "broadcom".. install the package the wiki states supports your device
[20:04] <xubuntu642> I have to do what you show <holstein>
[20:05] <xubuntu642> lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[20:05] <xubuntu642> 10:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[20:07] <holstein> xubuntu642: yes.. that ist he information i would reference on the wiki.. for that specific device.. and install what is suggested
[20:09] <xubuntu642> I want to run wifi
[20:09] <xubuntu642> what should I do
[20:10] <holstein> xubuntu642: correct.. the link i gave give the information to add the packages that will support your broadcom device
[20:10] <holstein> you should read the link i gave, find the information about what package supports your device, install the package and test the wifi
[20:11] <holstein> xubuntu642: sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source ..for example
[20:12] <ball> I'm really impressed by how well WiFi worked on my daughter's Xubuntu box.
[20:12] <holstein> ball: its really up to the driver. if the device supports linux, it'll work well
[20:13] <ball> holstein: That part worked for me and the user interface was simple enough too: click the WiFi signal bar thinggie, choose our wireless LAN from the list presented and enter the passphrase.
[20:13] <holstein> sure, most modern operating system support joining wifi networks, and do it well
[20:14] <ball> holstein: Perhaps I'm not used to modern operating systems ;-)
[20:14] <xubuntu642> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source Paket listeleri okunuyor... Bitti Bağımlılık ağacı oluşturuluyor        Durum bilgisi okunuyor... Bitti       Aşağıdaki paketler yükseltilecek:   bcmwl-kernel-source 1 paket yükseltilecek, 0 yeni paket kurulacak, 0 paket kaldırılacak ve 0 paket yükseltilmeyecek. 1.743 kB arşiv dosyası indirilecek. Bu işlem tamamlandıktan sonra 1.823 kB ek disk alanı kullanılacak. Alı
[20:14] <holstein> ball: or, you have had unsupported hardware, and somehow thought that was the responsibility of the OS
[20:14] <holstein> !paste | xubuntu642
[20:15] <ball> holstein: No, that's not it.
[20:15] <holstein> xubuntu642: whats the question?
[20:15] <ball> The question may have been asked but I don't think it was in English
[20:15] <holstein> ball: OK.. the click-n-join-a-wifi "thingie" has been working for me quite well for a while.. though, i have had issues with wifi relating to driver support
[20:16]  * ball nods
[20:16] <Guest254> xubuntu642: please prepend LC_ALL=en-us to the apt-get command, so that the output is in english
[20:16] <Guest254> xubuntu642: LC_ALL=en-us sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:17] <xubuntu642> restricted i386 6.30.223.141 + BDCOM bcmwl - kernel-source - 0ubuntu1 [ 1743 kB] 5 sec. Were also 1,743 kB (319 kB / s) ( Reading database ... 174687 files or folders available is installed. ) 5.100.82.112 + BDCOM prepared to change bcmwl - kernel-source - 0ubuntu3 ( using .../bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.141 + BDCOM - 0ubuntu1_i386.deb ) ... Removing all DKMS Modules Done . Unpacking replacement bcmwl - kernel-source ... bcmwl 
[20:17] <xubuntu642> Loading new bcmwl - 6.30.223.141 + BDCOM DKMS files ... Building only for 3.11.0 -13 -generic Building for architecture i686 Building initial module for 3.11.0 -13 -generic Done .
[20:17] <holstein> xubuntu642: please use a pastbin..
[20:17] <xubuntu642> wl : Running module version sanity check .  - Original module    - No original module exists within this kernel  - Installation    - Installing to / lib/modules/3.11.0-13-generic/updates/dkms /
[20:17] <holstein> xubuntu642: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:18]  * ball hides
[20:18] <holstein> xubuntu642: that looks to me as if the package is installing the drivers needed. whats the question?
[20:18] <xubuntu642> does not work
[20:19] <holstein> xubuntu642: what doesnt do what?
[20:19] <holstein> xubuntu642: you installed the package? and rebooted the machine? and tested the wifi? what operating system do you have installed? xubuntu 13.10?
[20:22] <xubuntu642> ok
[22:44] <Keyboard_1310> hello
[23:17] <Keyboard_1310> hello
[23:20] <Noskcaj> hey Keyboard_1310
[23:20] <Keyboard_1310> hey Nos
[23:21] <Keyboard_1310> I'm tryign to remap some keys having some issues with 13.10
[23:21] <Keyboard_1310> amixer set 'Master' toggle                    doesnt work
[23:22] <brauleinchen> how do I play ape files (audio format) under xubuntu 13.10? gmusicbrowserd doesnt play int
[23:22] <brauleinchen> it*
[23:23] <Keyboard_1310> try audacious+ codecs?
[23:24] <Keyboard_1310> latest audacious should  play it
[23:26] <brauleinchen> thx Keyboard_1310 , any idea on how to get gmusicbroser to play it?
[23:26] <brauleinchen> or, can I also configure audacious for my music library?
[23:28] <Sysi-> try installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and -ugly
[23:29] <Sysi-> and gstreamer-ffmpeg
[23:43] <Keyboard_1310> what happened to pwmconfig in 13.10
[23:43] <Keyboard_1310> ARGH