[01:39] <sam113101> are you guys always this talkative?
[02:02] <ph> darkxst, you here?
[02:05] <ph> darkxst, upgraded to ubuntu 14.04 and still have problems with the HUGE font and cursors and display being detected as 7" instead of 55"
[02:06] <darkxst> ph, hi
[02:07] <ph> darkxst, hi :)
[02:08] <ph> darkxst, so yeah still having major issues with staging and HUGE fonts etc. I did an update-manager -d to upgrade to 14.04 and updated to the trusty staging ppa and still got the problems
[02:11] <ph> any suggestions on how i can debug it some more to see if I can help to find a solution to the problem?
[02:14] <darkxst> ph, can you paste your X log again
[02:15] <ph> ok hangon
[02:15] <ph> where's it located again :P
[02:17] <ph> under .cache - found it
[02:17] <darkxst> ph, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:17] <ph> ah that one - sorry thought you meant the upstart logs
[02:19] <ph> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/fLnGKkep
[02:21] <darkxst> ph, also run `xdpyinfo | grep -B1 resolution`
[02:21] <ph> darkxst, dpi is being set as 40,40 when it should be 110,110 or something higher like that. also is there a way I can try forcing the display size to 55" in the xorg.conf to see if that resolves it?
[02:22] <ph> darkxst, interesting that one returns:
[02:22] <ph>   dimensions:    1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters)
[02:22] <ph>   resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
[02:22] <darkxst> is the size there correct?
[02:23] <ph> god no
[02:23] <ph> I will get the actual dimensions for you in mm hangon a tic
[02:26] <ph> darkxst, it should be around 1220x710mm
[02:27] <darkxst> are you using the default xorg.log? doesnt look like NVIDIA is even detecting a size of your monitor
[02:28] <ph> darkxst, yeah that is the one in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:28] <ph> darkxst, I can restore the backup I have with the next ppa - then run that command again to see what it returns when it's working properly?
[02:28] <darkxst> ph, that won't affect anything in the X log
[02:30] <ph> granted it shouldn't but the logs are different from the next ppa to the staging ppa. it's working and correct size in the next ppa, and not working and wrong size in the staging ppa
[02:30] <darkxst> ph, that is probably because display config is in gnome-settings-daemon for -next
[02:31] <darkxst> for staging its moved to mutter
[02:31] <ph> ah ok...
[02:32] <ph> so what else could be causing it?
[02:33] <darkxst> ph, cant you paste `xrandr -q`
[02:34] <ph> http://pastebin.com/fKTcnZfP
[02:36] <darkxst> ph, try forcing DPI in xorg.conf
[02:36] <ph> darkxst, I tried that and it doesn't work
[02:37] <ph> it shows in the log as getting the dpi from xorg.conf but no change in the actual appearance of the fonts and cursors
[02:38] <ph> darkxst, that size in xrandr I just ran the 160x90 would correlate to a 7" screen. So where does it get the size of the screen when running xrandr?
[02:39] <darkxst> from X
[02:40] <ph> ok... bummer, so X is picking it up wrong from where the display itself?
[02:41] <darkxst> quite possibly, does the same thing happen with nouveau?
[02:41] <ph> darkxst, by the way not sure if this helps but slaf is having the same problem, but he didn't see it right away because he has 2 monitors, and for some reason it gets detected correctly when running 2 monitors, but when he happened to unplug 1 monitor one day he noticed he had the HUGE fonts and cursors problem and his screen was getting detected as 7"
[02:42] <ph> darkxst, I believe it does
[02:43] <ph> darkxst, you don't happen to have an nvidia setup with 2 monitors?
[02:44] <darkxst> yes I do
[02:44] <ph> darkxst, well that could be an easy method then if you unplug one and reboot and see if you get the same problem
[02:57] <darkxst> ph, it seems to be a HDMI bug
[02:57] <ph> darkxst, same thing happen with you just now as well?
[02:57] <darkxst> nope
[02:57] <ph> :(
[03:00] <ph> darkxst, that sucks I was hoping it would. I have already logged a bug with it and uploaded the logs when working and the logs after updating to staging but I don't think anythings been done with it
[03:01] <darkxst> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_size_and_DPI
[03:02] <ph> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1233603 that's the one i logged and you mentioned filing an upstream bug against mutter?
[03:03] <ph> darkxst, just going afk for a while - I'll pop back on later
[03:04] <darkxst> ph, ok, probably the best fix, is to work around it in your xorg.conf
[03:05] <ph> darkxst, i'll try it out and see if i can going from that page you linked
[03:11] <darkxst> ph, the real bug here is that the display is not detected correctly, mutter is just doing what it is told
[03:13] <darkxst> ph, there is also this, but its quite old, so no idea if  its still relevant http://analogbit.com/fix_nvidia_edid
[04:16] <sam113101> so, is it an official ubuntu release?
[04:22] <darkxst> sam113101, ubuntu GNOME is an official flavour
[04:23] <sam113101> darkxst: cool
[04:24] <sam113101> how many are there? ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu gnome
[04:33] <darkxst> sam113101, http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[05:02] <sam113101> darkxst: thanks
[06:58] <ph> darkxst, hey dude - nah I tried everything of that page and while it gets the dpi settings I set nothing changes the display size from the 160mm x 90mm that is being picked up by X
[06:59] <ph> the DPI settings themselves seem to have no effect on the actual display size that's being detected. I really think it's the 160mm x 90mm that is causing the huge fonts and cursors
[07:00] <ph> but I can't seem to change that anywhere
[07:00] <ph> darkxst, I'm going to roll back to next ppa and see what is being detected there when the fonts and cursors are working as they should
[07:02] <ph> darkxst, back in a bit
[07:10] <darkxst> ph, what does fontconfig report dpi as?
[07:11] <darkxst> xrdb -query
[07:27] <ph> darkxst, i dunno man it still shows 160mm x 90mm even on next but under display it shows correctly as 55"??!
[07:34] <ph> darkxst, yeah so I have no idea where it's going wrong then! Wherever the Screen Display item in system settings gets its size from is where the problem is I'd say
[07:35] <ph> darkxst, any idea where it gets it from under Screen Display?
[08:06] <darkxst> ph, I don't really know
[08:06] <darkxst> you should be able to override screen size with NoDDC and DisplaySize though
[08:09] <ph> darkxst, can you give me the exact config in the monitor section to do that. Because I tried the DisplaySize with no effect
[08:14] <ph> darkxst, is it an option "NoDDC" line i need before the DisplaySize line under the monitor section?
[08:31] <darkxst> NoDDC probably goes under server section, but not real sure
[08:31] <darkxst> ph, just google it!
[08:52] <ph> darkxst, ok I found where to put the NoDDC option (under the device section), but in the logs I get "Option "NoDDC" is not used"
[08:53] <darkxst> ph, sorry I don't know
[08:54] <ph> bummer :P ok thanks I'll just see what happens with the bug
[08:55] <ph> darkxst, also I appear to have no title bar on nautilus with the staging ppa is that normal? and I dont get the window resize cursors appearing when i move to the edge of the nautilus window to try and resize the window
[08:56] <darkxst> naultilus is using the new CSD's
[08:56] <darkxst> but you should get resize cursors
[08:57] <ph> I just tested i get one on the top only, not on the bottom, corners or sides
[08:58] <ph> darkxst, the one on the top that i do get is only 1 pixel width. Is there anyway I can adjust it?
[09:00] <darkxst> no idea
[09:00] <darkxst> works fine here, for probably 10+ pixels
[09:03] <ph> could that be because of the DPI issues causing that?
[09:06] <darkxst> possibly
[09:30] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i guess you resolved the mozjs issue?
[09:31] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, got it sorted, well worked around, but its stupid
[09:31] <ricotz> darkxst, is there any upstream intention to rename the library/pkg-config back to "24.0"?
[09:32] <darkxst> ricotz, I was unable to get a definitive answer on that, but the general consensus was that the abi must have changed
[09:33] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, since they dont have a proper soname mechanism they need to do it that way which is honestly not how this works
[09:34] <ricotz> changing the library name is only reasonable needed for API changes not just ABI ones
[09:35] <darkxst> right, but it probably won't happen again
[09:35] <ricotz> darkxst, do we want ship those debug mozjs enabled builds?
[09:35] <darkxst> but its always a case of no guarantees
[09:36] <darkxst> ricotz, ship no, but its pretty important for devs
[09:37] <darkxst> currently chatting with upstream, its an awful mess right now
[09:37] <ricotz> darkxst, hehe, having to patch buildsystems for "nothing" in a bit insane if it gets changed with every release
[09:37] <ricotz> alright
[09:38] <ricotz> do i miss any fallouts with the cogl/clutter uploaded?
[09:38] <darkxst> ricotz, haven't noticed, but I still dealing with crashes every 10mins or so
[09:39] <darkxst> curious why, you havent seen them
[09:39] <ricotz> no, it runs quite solid here
[09:39] <ricotz> 3.11.2+ that is
[09:39] <darkxst> same happens with your packages of testing and staging
[09:39] <ricotz> (the gjs/mozjs staging packages)
[09:40] <darkxst> GC crash after unlocking
[09:40] <ricotz> ok
[09:40] <darkxst> can't reproduce under jhbuild however
[09:40] <ricotz> so this is your every 10mins problem?
[09:40] <darkxst> with what I presume is the same branch
[09:41] <darkxst> ricotz, every time I unlock
[09:41] <ricotz> ok, i thought is crashed regularly with this interval
[09:43] <darkxst> its in a VM, so locks very often
[09:45] <ricotz> ok, i can confirm the unlock crash
[10:12] <darkxst> ricotz, ok
[10:12] <darkxst> jokerdino, hey
[10:12] <jokerdino> darkxst: hey
[10:13] <darkxst> jokerdino, would be great if you could take a second pass of saucy bugs an invalidate all the ones that have invalid stacktraces!
[10:14] <darkxst> good work so far with de-duplication btw ;)
[10:14] <jokerdino> sure. Are they tagged with apport-failed-retrace?
[10:15] <darkxst> some are, but that doesnt always pick it up
[10:16] <jokerdino> OK. I'll go through them.
[10:16] <darkxst> jokerdino, thanks
[10:17] <jokerdino> :)
[10:18] <darkxst> jokerdino, I created a 14.04 milestone on the ubuntu gnome project, feel free to assign any bugs that need fixing to that!
[10:19] <darkxst> (regardless of ppa or archive packages, hopefully gtk update will land, so many of the 3.10 packages can get in)
[10:22] <darkxst> well atleast anything with a bit of heat
[10:23] <darkxst> not particularly interested in one-off bugs
[10:40] <Organicanarchy> would ubuntu be a good option for a 1.6ghz cpu with 2 gb of ram?
[11:45] <Guest14458> i have an problem with the NVidia drivers they are conflicting when installed. I have an Nvidia Quadro NVS290 video card with only 2d support and normally no any problem i use now the opensource driver
[15:52] <Mel_> hi guys
[15:53] <Mel_> I just installed ubuntu-gnome, it get stuck on the gnome logo while booting. any idea where to look for some hint?
[15:53] <Mel_> the log says "starting [ok]"
[15:55] <Mel_> gdm[892]: GdmLocalDisplayFactory: maximum number of X display failures reached: check X server log for errors
[15:59] <Mel_> where is the x11log?
[16:00] <tommie-lie> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:00] <tommie-lie> or other numbers instead of 0 if Xorg tried to restart other displays
[16:08] <Mel_> nope. it's not there.. or i woldn't have asked :)
[16:08] <Mel_> i could not make any sense of this. i'm reinstalling, but back to xubuntu instead of ubuntu-gnome
[16:10] <tommie-lie> if X couldn't even get to write a log file, there's something else seriously wrong with your installation
[16:10] <tommie-lie> can't imagine what, though, other than a read-only / due to disk failure
[17:54] <Taazir> Hi. I have problem: just installed UbuntuGnome, with Hebrew & English. But, mostly when I changed my keyboard layout to Hebrew - the indicator say "He (Hebrew)". But I still write in English not Hebrew.
[17:54] <Taazir> Strange, but some time I can change the layout & write in Hebrew
[17:54] <Taazir> any idea?
[18:26] <Taazir> ?
[18:57] <njalk> sorry Taazir, i have no experience with this
[19:52] <rZr> hi
[19:52] <rZr> is there a roadmap of upcoming ug LTS?
[19:53] <rZr> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings/Agenda
[19:53] <rZr> ?
[19:58] <rZr> will it ship g38 ? I guess yes
[23:18] <sam113101> HELP
[23:40] <sam113101> how do I change the default monitor?