| Pwnna | how can i develop xfce-panel on xubuntu? | 17:13 |
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| Pwnna | can i replace my current panels to test? | 17:13 |
| ali1234 | Pwnna: just install it to /usr/local | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | you also need to rebuild any external plugins | 18:52 |
| knome | Pwnna, what are you trying to do? if you are working with indicators, please note we're planning to include the patch that supports gtk3 indicators for trusty | 19:30 |
| Pwnna | nothing major | 19:30 |
| Pwnna | just some stuff with the window buttons | 19:30 |
| Pwnna | indicators are still broken. | 19:30 |
| Pwnna | knome: is there like a roadmap for 14.04? | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | Pwnna: are you the person from the mailing list? | 19:31 |
| Pwnna | ye | 19:31 |
| knome | !roadmap | 19:31 |
| ubottu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/ | 19:31 |
| knome | like that? | 19:31 |
| Pwnna | wait | 19:31 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: which person? | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | shuhao? | 19:31 |
| Pwnna | yea | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | ok, it was me that replied | 19:33 |
| Pwnna | oh | 19:33 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:33 |
| Pwnna | idk if installing to usr/local is a good iea | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | it's the standard way tog o if you want to work on upstream | 19:33 |
| Pwnna | i want to maybe spin up a VM | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | you can also patch the package, but it's less useful if you want to send patches | 19:34 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:34 |
| Pwnna | of course | 19:34 |
| Pwnna | i just don't like make install | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | yeah that's a fairly good idea | 19:34 |
| Pwnna | virtualbox or kvm? | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | whichever you prefer | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | i find virtualbox easier | 19:34 |
| Pwnna | should i work with 14.04? | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure if that is even possible yet | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | if you're going to work on git anyway, it doesn't really matter | 19:37 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:37 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: what about xfwm4? | 19:37 |
| Pwnna | like. do i have to keep login logout to see my make install working? | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | no | 19:37 |
| Pwnna | and how do i restart panels? | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | you just run xfce4-panel -r | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | same for xfdesktop and xfwm4 | 19:37 |
| Pwnna | i have to make install everytime, though? | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:38 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | well, xfwm4 you can run from it's source dir | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | not sure about -panel | 19:39 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: that fails with the configurations | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | sometimes you need to do --replace | 19:39 |
| Pwnna | xfwm4 just don't detect my configurations.. and then it doesn't even have window borders | 19:39 |
| Pwnna | or title bars | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | i'm running xfwm4 and xfce4-panel both in /usr/local | 19:39 |
| Pwnna | if i run xfwm4 in the src dir, that is | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | you might need to build libxfce4ui and install that too | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | this is how we currently build custom panel with gtk3 indicators: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators | 19:40 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:41 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: is it possible to run everything from xfce from upstream? | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | sure, if you build it all and install it | 19:42 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: i mean. you guys have to do that for packaging, right? | 19:42 |
| Pwnna | i just never know how to do it | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | packaging is a totally different mess | 19:43 |
| Pwnna | i want to help maintain XFCE stuff, but like.. can't get it to run on my machien .. | 19:43 |
| Pwnna | what do you mean? | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | packaging kinda depends on xfce doing a release tarball | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | packages aren't made directly from git, usually, and it presents some additional problems | 19:43 |
| Pwnna | ah.. | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | more than that, i don't know... i just submit patches upstream and wait for them to get released and packaged | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | your lack of window borders with xfwm4 might be due to it not finding the theme | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | it should fall back to a default though, i think | 19:46 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:46 |
| Pwnna | but whatever | 19:46 |
| Pwnna | i'm gonna do this in a VM | 19:46 |
| Pwnna | ali1234: my problem is some project just don't take patches | 19:46 |
| Pwnna | like.. mousepad | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | did you just post the patches on the bugzilla? | 19:46 |
| ali1234 | cos nobody seems to really check that | 19:46 |
| knome | (also many xfce developers are really busy or unavailable) | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | yes, both of them :) | 19:47 |
| Pwnna | i posted patches and mailed >_> | 19:47 |
| Pwnna | my patches has been sitting there for months | 19:47 |
| Pwnna | i kinda wanna take over maintainance of some projects, like the screenshooter. | 19:47 |
| Pwnna | but i don't understand the code enough to do it | 19:47 |
| Pwnna | it's really diffiicult to read code without some sort of mentorship from the original author.. i find. | 19:48 |
| Pwnna | just takes a long time | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | yes. it takes experience to be able to do that | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | the xfce code is quite simple though, compared with something like gnome or kde | 19:48 |
| Pwnna | yeah i and i don't usually do C | 19:49 |
| Pwnna | that's one of the main problems i find | 19:49 |
| Pwnna | are new programs for xfce written in Vala now? | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | not really. there's a couple | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | but the core stuff is all C | 19:50 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 19:52 |
| Pwnna | i wish i knew C better | 19:52 |
| Pwnna | only wrote simple C programs, and fiddled with mousepad a bit | 19:52 |
| Pwnna | there's no full time developers on XFCE, right? | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | i don't know | 19:52 |
| Noskcaj | Pwnna, Not really. Even the project leader lacks time | 19:57 |
| Pwnna | yeah.. | 19:58 |
| knome | olivier has been away for a long time. | 19:59 |
| knome | and no, nobody is paid to work on xfce even part-time | 19:59 |
| Pwnna | .. | 20:02 |
| Pwnna | yay | 20:04 |
| Pwnna | installing from the trusty image | 20:04 |
| Pwnna | has xfce participated in summer of code? | 20:05 |
| knome | afaik, no | 20:05 |
| Pwnna | should :3 | 20:05 |
| knome | nobody has time to do the mentoring | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | ...yeah | 20:06 |
| Pwnna | ... | 20:08 |
| ochosi | brainwash: ok, bug marked as fix released. thanks | 21:47 |
| ochosi | pleia2: thanks for following that up! | 21:47 |
| pleia2 | I did something? :D yay me | 21:47 |
| ochosi | you said you'd follow the ones with missing license up, so i presumed that's good :) | 21:48 |
| pleia2 | oh yes, I emailed the folks who don't have licenses | 21:49 |
| pleia2 | no response :\ but I tried | 21:49 |
| knome | one of the updated the page | 21:49 |
| knome | at least... | 21:49 |
| pleia2 | oh good | 21:49 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's something | 21:49 |
| ochosi | and it's a weekend, so maybe tomorrow | 21:49 |
| pleia2 | and since updating the page all the images have license defined | 21:50 |
| knome | just a note to this channel as well, i've been removing uploaded files that haven't been (relatively shortly) listed into the page | 21:50 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 21:57 |
| knome | no problem | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | thinking we might want to do the flickr route with wallpapres next cycle, this wiki page takes about 5 years to load now | 22:06 |
| knome | heh | 22:08 |
| ochosi | pleia2: yeah, we discussed it before and i was kinda doubtful of the wiki | 22:08 |
| knome | tbh we've had a much better response to this call than we've had on the dA group | 22:08 |
| ochosi | but so far at least the licenses are mostly there... | 22:08 |
| ochosi | less messy in a way | 22:08 |
| ochosi | cause it's more effort | 22:08 |
| knome | i'm subscribed to Xubuntu/*, i will keep watching the submissions | 22:08 |
| knome | for now, i don't mind | 22:09 |
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