[04:32] I just did two installs from the Ubuntu mini.iso... both Lubuntu minimal... one for 13.10 and one for 12.04. The 12.04 give me a LXDE desktop with panel when logging in. The 13.10 gives me LXDE but no panel and no apparent way to get any kind of right-click menu or terminal. [04:32] trying to figure out what piece 13.10 is missing [04:44] never mind. the login screen (lightdm) has a selector for which style environment you want to login to. the default was set to LXDE Games or some such [04:44] changing it to Lubuntu fixed me right up [05:01] did you log into openbox on 13.10? [05:01] ah read lower lines [05:21] ianorlin: thanks :) [05:22] I like the way the mini.iso lets you do a real minimal install [07:43] I'm having a lot of trouble getting sierra wireless 312u on telstra bigpond working tearing my hair out any help would be greatly appreciated [07:45] I've tried the network manager and wvdial [10:13] Does network manager store log files detailing failures to connect? And if not how can I tell it to keep verbose logs? And where would these logs be stored? === redtape|coffee is now known as hotelroos [12:32] I have a fresh install of 13.10 and i'm trying to build a driver and it tells me "make" is not installed.... I don't think gcc is installed. Is this correct? What do I need to install in order to build packages on lubuntu? [12:55] Eventually, will Lubuntu be an LTS version ? and if yes, for how long ? I mean, 3 years like Xubuntu or 5 years as Ubuntu ? [15:59] I am currently starting my internet connection via a simple shell script which runs "sudo wvdial" (the script is owned by root with a no password clause in sudoers file) but when I run it it keeps a window open titled "sudo". How can I make this run silently in the background? [19:28] * NikTh is away: I'm away now... I'll be back.. later. === S-USA is now known as SonikkuAmerica === SonikkuAmerica is now known as Unit194 === Unit194 is now known as SonikkuAmerica