[04:32] <moondog> I just did two installs from the Ubuntu mini.iso... both Lubuntu minimal... one for 13.10 and one for 12.04. The 12.04 give me a LXDE desktop with panel when logging in. The 13.10 gives me LXDE but no panel and no apparent way to get any kind of right-click menu or terminal.
[04:32] <moondog> trying to figure out what piece 13.10 is missing
[04:44] <moondog> never mind. the login screen (lightdm) has a selector for which style environment you want to login to. the default was set to LXDE Games or some such
[04:44] <moondog> changing it to Lubuntu fixed me right up
[05:01] <ianorlin> did you log into openbox on 13.10?
[05:01] <ianorlin> ah read lower lines
[05:21] <moondog> ianorlin: thanks :)
[05:22] <moondog> I like the way the mini.iso lets you do a real minimal install
[07:43] <maniong> I'm having a lot of trouble getting sierra wireless 312u on telstra bigpond working tearing my hair out any help would be greatly appreciated
[07:45] <maniong> I've tried the network manager and wvdial
[10:13] <Mossyfunk> Does network manager store log files detailing failures to connect? And if not how can I tell it to keep verbose logs? And where would these logs be stored?
[12:32] <Mossyfunk> I have a fresh install of 13.10 and i'm trying to build  a driver and it tells me "make" is not installed....  I don't think gcc is installed. Is this correct? What do I need to install in order to build packages on lubuntu?
[12:55] <NikTh> Eventually, will Lubuntu be an LTS version ? and if yes, for how long ? I mean, 3 years like Xubuntu or 5 years as Ubuntu ?
[15:59] <maniong> I am currently starting my internet connection via a simple shell script which runs "sudo wvdial" (the script is owned by root with a no password clause in sudoers file) but when I run it it keeps a window open titled "sudo". How can I make this run silently in the background?
[19:28]  * NikTh is away: I'm away now... I'll be back.. later.