[00:36] <nickgaw> Hi, What is the next release of ubuntu called that is now in development?
[00:38] <Daekdroom> Trusty Tahr 14.04 LTS, nickgaw
[00:39] <nickgaw> so just change all lines in sources.list to trusty and I should be able to upgrade?
[00:40] <Daekdroom> Hm.. Well, I'm not sure 'do-release-upgrade -d' or 'update-manager -d' are working yet, but they are recommended over changing sources.list
[00:40] <Daekdroom> Although upgrading to trusty at this point is not recommended at all ;)
[00:41] <nickgaw> I have a backup of my original install I made with image for linux so if it breaks I can just restore the old backup.
[00:41] <Daekdroom> Yeah, that is a good plan, although you need to have in mind that if it doesn't break now, it might break later.
[00:42] <nickgaw> yes that is why I have backups before going to a development release is there any more development then trusty like an unstable release?
[00:43] <Daekdroom> Nope. Trusty is all there is.
[00:43] <nickgaw> are there automatic ways to remove the older kernels that are just taking up space on my system?
[00:48] <Daekdroom> Lately 'sudo apt-get autoremove' has been working for me. I only have the two latest kernel images installed.
[00:48] <nickgaw> why two I like to only have one kernel image the latest stable?
[00:49] <penguin42> nickgaw: For when the latest one turns out to be broken
[00:49] <Daekdroom> Sometimes the latest one doesn't work for whatever reason, so I like having two myself. Although that is only important for a short time after upgrading.
[00:51] <nickgaw> ok you have a point.  is rebuilding the ubuntu kernel from source complex is it different then just downloading the latest version of the kernel source from kernel.org and running the configuration choice you like then make to compile then installing the kernel or is there a better method for building kernels for ubuntu?
[00:52] <penguin42> nickgaw: Building the source package will normally do all the config and everything for you; not too hard - changing it is a little more difficult
[00:54] <nickgaw> what I mean is if I wanted to upgrade to the latest kernel from kernel.org and for it to be seen like a normal ubuntu kernel just to build it like they build their kernels just newer what would I need to do?
[00:58] <Daekdroom> !mainline
[00:58] <Daekdroom> Well, they don't have the Ubuntu patches, but use the same configurations.
[00:59] <nickgaw> what do the ubuntu patches mainly fix?
[00:59] <penguin42> mostly minor tweaks from upstream, but I think some features that aren't in upstream as well (I think ecryptfs might not be upstream and a few others?)
[01:05] <nickgaw> does ubuntu have a kernel compilation guide for those of us who want to compile our own kernel source?
[01:09] <penguin42> there is one around somewhere, I remember following it a couple of times
[01:10] <penguin42> nickgaw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[17:52] <pngl> I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu 14.04 daily in EFI mode on a new laptop (Sony Vaio Pro 13) alongside Windows 8. Could someone help me out? At install time, I get: "grub-efi-amd64-signed could not be installed to /target/..."
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | pngl
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> never used dualboot with win8 myself
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> do you really need win8?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> disabling secureboot and install ubuntu on full hd would be more easy
[17:54] <pngl> lotuspsychje: hi :) I've followed the instructions
[17:55] <BluesKaj> w 8 is fun to fool with , it's somewhat different than the std windows layout , dunno if I'll keep it tho
[17:55] <pngl> lotuspsychje: well no, I could do without it, but I'm ready to spend some time trying
[17:57] <pngl> I believe I've followed the installation instructions properly by a) making sure my LiveUSB booted in EFI mode, b) resizing the windows partition, creating a / mount point on it, and c) letting the installer detect the EFI boot partition
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> i only installed ubuntu on full hd on uefi machines, so cant really help you on that1
[18:04] <BluesKaj> loy won't disabling secure boot allow an ubuntru install on it's own partition and W8 can then be lsted in grub after grub update in ubuntu ?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje.^
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: for me it worked out of the box
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> was been able to install ubuntu without bios changes
[18:05] <BluesKaj> uefi machine ?
[18:05] <pngl> BluesKaj: 14.04 should be compatible with secure boot no?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> pngl. dunno
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yes, worked out of the box
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: not sure that will work on all brands
[18:06] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje. right , some are really difficult to workaround
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> yes i also think so
[18:08] <pngl> I went past the grub-efi-amd64 error, now my computer won't boot at all. i'm going to retry with a full hd install
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> pngl: try disable secure boot from bios
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> and full ubuntu install
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> you can mess with win8 in virtualbox later
[18:09] <pngl> I'm just concerned that I won't have a way to reinstall a legitimate copy of W8 since I wasn't given any CD or USB
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> you got a restore button?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> f11 maybe
[18:09] <pngl> not sure, I have an Assist button
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> what brand?
[18:10] <pngl> but that uses a partition that will be deleted by the full HD install
[18:10] <pngl> Sony
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> well dont delete the recovery partition then , or take a good backup
[18:11] <pngl> lotuspsychje: how do I do full hd install without deleting recovery partition?
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> manually partition and see if it exist
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> if you dont have a recovery, wipe whole hd
[18:11] <pngl> I mean I'm not sure how to get to a middle ground between (install ubuntu on a partition + use existing EFI partition) and (erase full hd and recreate efi partition)
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> well wiping is always risky
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> i can only speak in my case
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> i would always install ubuntu on full hd
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> didnt use win for years now
[18:13] <pngl> lotuspsychje: I may need windows for games or if work requires some windows-only software
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> then you might perhaps findout dualboot solutions
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> or google 14.04 uefi tutorial
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> with w8
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:49] <pngl> Damn... I did a full hd install and now : "Your VAIO failed to start Windows"
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> did you disable secure boot?
[18:59] <pngl> lotuspsychje: disabling secureboot prevents me from booting at all, even from the LiveUSB (black screen and spinning fan)
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> hmmm
[18:59] <pngl> I'm trying to use boot-repair but I can't find the source to compile and there are no 14.04 packages
[19:19] <elfy> pngl: if you did a full HD install then it should use the whole drive and you'd have lost anything else on it
[19:20] <elfy> and if necessary use the saucy boot-repair - should still work
[20:41] <pngl> I'm trying out the daily 14.04 and the ubuntu software updater crashes on startup. Is it a bad idea to use a daily? Should I expect a lot of errors?
[20:41] <pngl> With the laptop I have, my only alternative is to reinstall 13.10 and then manually upgrade to the 3.12 kernel
[20:49] <jtaylor> whats the output of update-manager on the terminal?
[20:49] <jtaylor> you can use apt-get to upgrade, maybe its already fixed