nickgawHi, What is the next release of ubuntu called that is now in development?00:36
DaekdroomTrusty Tahr 14.04 LTS, nickgaw00:38
nickgawso just change all lines in sources.list to trusty and I should be able to upgrade?00:39
DaekdroomHm.. Well, I'm not sure 'do-release-upgrade -d' or 'update-manager -d' are working yet, but they are recommended over changing sources.list00:40
DaekdroomAlthough upgrading to trusty at this point is not recommended at all ;)00:40
nickgawI have a backup of my original install I made with image for linux so if it breaks I can just restore the old backup.00:41
DaekdroomYeah, that is a good plan, although you need to have in mind that if it doesn't break now, it might break later.00:41
nickgawyes that is why I have backups before going to a development release is there any more development then trusty like an unstable release?00:42
DaekdroomNope. Trusty is all there is.00:43
nickgaware there automatic ways to remove the older kernels that are just taking up space on my system?00:43
DaekdroomLately 'sudo apt-get autoremove' has been working for me. I only have the two latest kernel images installed.00:48
nickgawwhy two I like to only have one kernel image the latest stable?00:48
penguin42nickgaw: For when the latest one turns out to be broken00:49
DaekdroomSometimes the latest one doesn't work for whatever reason, so I like having two myself. Although that is only important for a short time after upgrading.00:49
nickgawok you have a point.  is rebuilding the ubuntu kernel from source complex is it different then just downloading the latest version of the kernel source from kernel.org and running the configuration choice you like then make to compile then installing the kernel or is there a better method for building kernels for ubuntu?00:51
penguin42nickgaw: Building the source package will normally do all the config and everything for you; not too hard - changing it is a little more difficult00:52
nickgawwhat I mean is if I wanted to upgrade to the latest kernel from kernel.org and for it to be seen like a normal ubuntu kernel just to build it like they build their kernels just newer what would I need to do?00:54
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ubottuThe kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds00:58
DaekdroomWell, they don't have the Ubuntu patches, but use the same configurations.00:58
nickgawwhat do the ubuntu patches mainly fix?00:59
penguin42mostly minor tweaks from upstream, but I think some features that aren't in upstream as well (I think ecryptfs might not be upstream and a few others?)00:59
nickgawdoes ubuntu have a kernel compilation guide for those of us who want to compile our own kernel source?01:05
penguin42there is one around somewhere, I remember following it a couple of times01:09
penguin42nickgaw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel01:10
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BluesKajHowdy folks14:03
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pnglI'm having trouble installing Ubuntu 14.04 daily in EFI mode on a new laptop (Sony Vaio Pro 13) alongside Windows 8. Could someone help me out? At install time, I get: "grub-efi-amd64-signed could not be installed to /target/..."17:52
lotuspsychje!uefi | pngl17:53
ubottupngl: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI17:53
lotuspsychjenever used dualboot with win8 myself17:53
lotuspsychjedo you really need win8?17:54
lotuspsychjedisabling secureboot and install ubuntu on full hd would be more easy17:54
pngllotuspsychje: hi :) I've followed the instructions17:54
BluesKajw 8 is fun to fool with , it's somewhat different than the std windows layout , dunno if I'll keep it tho17:55
pngllotuspsychje: well no, I could do without it, but I'm ready to spend some time trying17:55
pnglI believe I've followed the installation instructions properly by a) making sure my LiveUSB booted in EFI mode, b) resizing the windows partition, creating a / mount point on it, and c) letting the installer detect the EFI boot partition17:57
lotuspsychjei only installed ubuntu on full hd on uefi machines, so cant really help you on that117:58
BluesKajloy won't disabling secure boot allow an ubuntru install on it's own partition and W8 can then be lsted in grub after grub update in ubuntu ?18:04
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: for me it worked out of the box18:04
lotuspsychjewas been able to install ubuntu without bios changes18:04
BluesKajuefi machine ?18:05
pnglBluesKaj: 14.04 should be compatible with secure boot no?18:05
BluesKajpngl. dunno18:05
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: yes, worked out of the box18:05
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: not sure that will work on all brands18:06
BluesKajlotuspsychje. right , some are really difficult to workaround18:06
lotuspsychjeyes i also think so18:06
pnglI went past the grub-efi-amd64 error, now my computer won't boot at all. i'm going to retry with a full hd install18:08
lotuspsychjepngl: try disable secure boot from bios18:09
lotuspsychjeand full ubuntu install18:09
lotuspsychjeyou can mess with win8 in virtualbox later18:09
pnglI'm just concerned that I won't have a way to reinstall a legitimate copy of W8 since I wasn't given any CD or USB18:09
lotuspsychjeyou got a restore button?18:09
lotuspsychjef11 maybe18:09
pnglnot sure, I have an Assist button18:09
lotuspsychjewhat brand?18:09
pnglbut that uses a partition that will be deleted by the full HD install18:10
lotuspsychjewell dont delete the recovery partition then , or take a good backup18:10
pngllotuspsychje: how do I do full hd install without deleting recovery partition?18:11
lotuspsychjemanually partition and see if it exist18:11
lotuspsychjeif you dont have a recovery, wipe whole hd18:11
pnglI mean I'm not sure how to get to a middle ground between (install ubuntu on a partition + use existing EFI partition) and (erase full hd and recreate efi partition)18:11
lotuspsychjewell wiping is always risky18:12
lotuspsychjei can only speak in my case18:12
lotuspsychjei would always install ubuntu on full hd18:13
lotuspsychjedidnt use win for years now18:13
pngllotuspsychje: I may need windows for games or if work requires some windows-only software18:13
lotuspsychjethen you might perhaps findout dualboot solutions18:14
ubottuDual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot18:14
lotuspsychjeor google 14.04 uefi tutorial18:14
lotuspsychjewith w818:15
pnglDamn... I did a full hd install and now : "Your VAIO failed to start Windows"18:49
lotuspsychjedid you disable secure boot?18:54
pngllotuspsychje: disabling secureboot prevents me from booting at all, even from the LiveUSB (black screen and spinning fan)18:59
pnglI'm trying to use boot-repair but I can't find the source to compile and there are no 14.04 packages18:59
elfypngl: if you did a full HD install then it should use the whole drive and you'd have lost anything else on it19:19
elfyand if necessary use the saucy boot-repair - should still work19:20
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pnglI'm trying out the daily 14.04 and the ubuntu software updater crashes on startup. Is it a bad idea to use a daily? Should I expect a lot of errors?20:41
pnglWith the laptop I have, my only alternative is to reinstall 13.10 and then manually upgrade to the 3.12 kernel20:41
jtaylorwhats the output of update-manager on the terminal?20:49
jtayloryou can use apt-get to upgrade, maybe its already fixed20:49
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