| === sjhh_ is now known as sjhh | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:01 |
|---|---|---|
| BigRedS | Goood Morning! | 08:11 |
| Myrtti | meh | 08:57 |
| MooDoo | Myrtti: and a good morning to you :) | 08:59 |
| Myrtti | atleast it's not Tuesday | 08:59 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:04 |
| DGJones | Myrtti, Are you ok for a pm | 09:05 |
| GentileBen | As Myrtti's official PM gatekeeper, I'm going to allow this. | 09:06 |
| Myrtti | DGJones: if you don't expect coherent answers | 09:07 |
| Myrtti | GentileBen: meh | 09:07 |
| Myrtti | I feel like Tardar Sauce the cat | 09:07 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| DGJones | Hmmh, /msg doesn't work in xchat | 09:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | morning all. | 09:11 |
| MooDoo | morning TheOpenSourcerer :) | 09:14 |
| diplo | So, keep getting reminded 13.10 is out and do i want to upgrade.. running 13.04 atm.. worth the update or buggy ? | 09:15 |
| Myrtti | my motto has been that upgrading non-LTS's is always a good idea | 09:16 |
| Myrtti | upgrading LTS's is a good idea when a new LTS is around | 09:17 |
| DGJones | diplo, PLus 13.04 wil be EOL in January | 09:17 |
| directhex | 13.10 is fine now | 09:17 |
| directhex | it was not fine when chromium would refuse to load Reddit Enhancement Suite | 09:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Have been using it since release - it's OK. It was a bit rough around the edges but is no worse than 13.04. | 09:18 |
| diplo | Myrtti: I was the same earlier on, but had so many issues since 11.* with early upgrades I've left it a lot later now, I had to upgrade from 12.04 because I needed some specific package for some dev | 09:18 |
| diplo | OK great, I'm sold. | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | I'm debating myself should I be a guinea pig for LTS to LTS upgrade path | 09:19 |
| Myrtti | there's so many things in 12.04 bugging me out right now that I pine for an upgrade | 09:20 |
| DGJones | 13.04->13.10 was the smoothest upgrade I've ever had, absolutely zero errors/issues during upgrade, normally there's an odd, niggling error, but there was nothing this time | 09:20 |
| SuperMatt | DGJones: that's because almost nothing changed ;) | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | may I complain about something though, this is only related to Ubuntu and 12.04 | 09:20 |
| SuperMatt | though if you're running 12.04 on a server, don't upgrade to 14.04 until you've tested your apache confs | 09:20 |
| SuperMatt | the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 caused a few issues for me | 09:20 |
| diplo | nah, I only just upgraded from natty to 12.04 on my server :) | 09:21 |
| ali1234 | probably the biggest change in 13.04->13.10 is the indicator api changed quite a lot | 09:21 |
| Myrtti | I didn't know it was possible for IT support to order a laptop these days that doesn't come with inbuilt bluetooth. Well, I knew it was possible but I didn't know it was possible they were assuming that me not mentioning it means that I don't want it by default | 09:21 |
| SuperMatt | there weren't a lot of user facing changes, I'll admit to that | 09:21 |
| Myrtti | SuperMatt: no, just a laptop | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | no apaches or such running here | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | but it's a factory install of Ubuntu tweaked by IT support | 09:22 |
| Myrtti | so I'm feeling hesitant over nuking the partitions and doing a fresh install | 09:23 |
| DGJones | I spent quite a bit of time in the last week looking at laptops for my father-in-law and don't think any of them didn't come with bluetooth | 09:23 |
| Myrtti | DGJones: Dell and clueless IT support... | 09:24 |
| DGJones | Myrtti, Right, probably find it was more expensive as well as it was non-standard in not including BT | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | I do confess that I feel kinda guilty for not telling them exactly what I wanted | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | I just told them I want HD screen, webcam, fast enough CPU that I don't start crying when doing LaTeX and enough RAM that that won't be the bottleneck | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | "and please the smallest possible model you can order" | 09:26 |
| DGJones | Even so, they must have trawled the Dell website to find one without BT | 09:26 |
| SuperMatt | any reason why you don't want blutooth? | 09:27 |
| SuperMatt | I'm sure you can just switch it off in the bios/OS so it doesn't bother you | 09:27 |
| DGJones | Next time just tell them you IBM's Deep Blue in a laptop case with a 2560*1200 HD screen | 09:28 |
| DGJones | Powered by Unicorns | 09:29 |
| Myrtti | DGJones: by default the configuration list adds bluetooth it seems, but they must've taken it off and saved 4€ | 09:29 |
| Myrtti | (so now I have requested for a Bluetooth 4.0 dongle that costs 15€) | 09:30 |
| diplo | Just get one of the tiny bluetooth usb things Myrtti £2-3 | 09:30 |
| ali1234 | £1 at poundland | 09:30 |
| ali1234 | and they work fine | 09:30 |
| Myrtti | I'm not going to spend a penny of my own money, I've just put it on the Health and Safety purchase list | 09:30 |
| diplo | Even better, mines plugged into mine, forget about it as it's so small :) | 09:30 |
| Myrtti | from a reputable seller that does invoices | 09:31 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! :-D | 09:35 |
| jussi | Im still liking the Sony Vaio Pro 11 | 09:48 |
| jussi | Mind, I had a play with a thinkpad carbon and dear $diety, if they came in an 11 inch... | 09:48 |
| DGJones | Hmmh, wierd problem ssh'd into a box at home, when I start byobu, its scrolling down the screen as though a carriage return is being pressed on the keyboard, but it doesn't happen outside of byobu | 10:01 |
| diplo | DGJones: I've had that | 10:03 |
| DGJones | Any idea how to fix it | 10:03 |
| diplo | Tmux issue, change to screen and it's fine. | 10:03 |
| DGJones | I've rebooted the machine | 10:03 |
| diplo | That was with putty | 10:04 |
| DGJones | Very odd, screen doesn't do it, I'll give it another reboot & just see if that fixes it | 10:04 |
| DGJones | Yes, same here | 10:04 |
| diplo | I'll find a post | 10:04 |
| ali1234 | tsux :P | 10:04 |
| popey | can someone open System Log on ubuntu 13.10 and tell me if they see date stamps? | 10:05 |
| popey | in the syslog -> today area | 10:05 |
| ali1234 | how do you open it? | 10:05 |
| SuperMatt | uhhh | 10:05 |
| SuperMatt | I just had it crash | 10:05 |
| SuperMatt | and again | 10:06 |
| popey | well, I use Dash -> sys... press enter | 10:06 |
| diplo | Did you run this DGJones byobu-select-backend | 10:06 |
| diplo | ? | 10:06 |
| SuperMatt | (gnome-system-log:28466): Gtk-CRITICAL **: _gtk_css_rgba_value_get_rgba: assertion 'rgba->class == >K_CSS_VALUE_RGBA' failed | 10:06 |
| SuperMatt | [1] 28466 segmentation fault (core dumped) gnome-system-lo | 10:06 |
| DGJones | diplo, No, Just straight "byobu" | 10:06 |
| popey | /usr/bin/gnome-system-log | 10:06 |
| SuperMatt | g | 10:06 |
| ali1234 | not installed | 10:07 |
| diplo | To change from tmoux to screen DGJones | 10:07 |
| popey | gnome-system-log is the package | 10:07 |
| DGJones | Yeah, I'll give that a go | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | keeps segfaulting on me | 10:07 |
| popey | oof | 10:07 |
| popey | that's a separate bug then | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | yup \o/ | 10:07 |
| ali1234 | ok it works for me. what am i looking for? | 10:07 |
| popey | the dates in the syslog bit | 10:07 |
| popey | the dates are white on white for me | 10:08 |
| popey | so only show when I mouse select them | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | they are grey on white for me | 10:08 |
| popey | hmm | 10:08 |
| popey | theme issue? | 10:08 |
| SuperMatt | mayhap | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | i don't have anything that says "today" | 10:08 |
| popey | no triangle next to syslog? | 10:08 |
| SuperMatt | interesting | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | no. actually it does say "today" though | 10:08 |
| popey | bug 1045602 | 10:09 |
| SuperMatt | when I set my theme to ambiance, my segfault goes away | 10:09 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1045602 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "date and time in gnome-system-log is white text on white background" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045602 | 10:09 |
| popey | seems already filed | 10:09 |
| SuperMatt | and my dates are white on white too | 10:09 |
| ali1234 | http://imagebin.org/277700 | 10:09 |
| popey | right, so theme issue | 10:10 |
| popey | the bug confirms it, thanks | 10:10 |
| SuperMatt | excellent bug hunting everyone. we make a great team | 10:10 |
| ali1234 | i can't reproduce it by changing to ambiance/radiance | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | might need to restart it though | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | yes, there we go | 10:11 |
| SuperMatt | can't beliebe it segfaults for me just because I'm using a different theme | 10:11 |
| SuperMatt | numix, for what it's worth | 10:11 |
| ali1234 | HA | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | report that, they'll want to fix it | 10:12 |
| SuperMatt | sure | 10:12 |
| ali1234 | i'll confirm it | 10:12 |
| popey | probably needs filing upstream in gnome | 10:13 |
| ali1234 | numix isn't gnome | 10:13 |
| popey | not what i meant | 10:13 |
| popey | its not a bug in gnome-system-log? | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | well, i meant report it to the numix devs | 10:14 |
| ali1234 | gnome-system-log look slike yet more abandonware | 10:14 |
| popey | 3.9.3 in development.. | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | bug 1231439 already reported | 10:17 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1231439 in gnome-system-log (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-log crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231439 | 10:17 |
| ali1234 | apparently all the shimmer themes except for the one i use cause it | 10:18 |
| popey | is there a terminal or tail type command that highlights new lines ? | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand. how do you highlight a none printing character? | 10:18 |
| popey | no, i mean new appended lines | 10:18 |
| popey | like, make the most recent lines added in the last 10 seconds bold | 10:18 |
| popey | then unbold after 10s | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | hmm... | 10:19 |
| popey | so if i glance at the terminal running it I can see the new lines added recently | 10:19 |
| popey | ooh, multitail is nice | 10:20 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:22 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 10:23 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 10:23 |
| DJones | Does anybody know whether anything replaced the noip2 client | 10:23 |
| diplo | ddns DJones ? | 10:26 |
| MooDoo | DJones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/184704/the-noip2-no-ip-com-package-was-deleted-from-the-repository-now-what | 10:27 |
| popey | i do that inside my router | 10:27 |
| popey | lots show up if you apt-cache search dyndns | 10:27 |
| DJones | Cheers, was using dyndns, but for some reason its stopped working | 10:28 |
| === hayden is now known as Devilsolution | ||
| popey | i use afraid.org now | 10:31 |
| diplo | I am with them but can't get my client to update, there is a bug already | 10:32 |
| * diplo looks | 10:32 | |
| * brobostigon uses them also. | 10:32 | |
| diplo | yeah ddclient is what I used, and it doesn't like updating | 10:33 |
| DJones | Ah well, ddclient with no-ip settings works fine | 10:36 |
| diplo | yeah. protocol should be set to freedns but it's unknown. Find the bug now | 10:37 |
| diplo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/1092966 | 10:38 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1092966 in ddclient (Ubuntu) "Freedns support removed from ddclient" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:38 |
| diplo | Seems I need 3.8.1 | 10:39 |
| ali1234 | popey: this should work: watch --color 'tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$"' | 10:48 |
| ali1234 | but it doesn't :( | 10:48 |
| ali1234 | instead of showing the colour, it just eats it instead | 10:48 |
| ali1234 | tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$" works | 10:48 |
| ali1234 | and why is whoopsie spamming syslog every minute? | 10:50 |
| popey | ooh! | 10:55 |
| popey | watch has a colour option, didnt know that | 10:55 |
| ali1234 | but it doesn't work | 10:56 |
| SuperMatt | I didn't know that either \o/ | 11:01 |
| SuperMatt | you guys know about ccze? | 11:01 |
| SuperMatt | tail -f /var/log/syslog | ccze | 11:02 |
| SuperMatt | nice coloured tail logs | 11:02 |
| popey | am I right in saying any nvidia card with 3 (or more) ports will be able to drive 3 monitors with the binary driver in twinview mode? | 11:02 |
| directhex | iirc yes | 11:03 |
| directhex | well, depends | 11:03 |
| popey | ta | 11:03 |
| popey | oh? | 11:03 |
| directhex | one of them has to be displayport afaik | 11:03 |
| popey | or hdmi? | 11:03 |
| popey | (my card has 2xDVI 1xmini HDMI) | 11:03 |
| directhex | the problem is pixel clocks | 11:03 |
| popey | is there a definitive way to find out, by browsing amazon or whatever? | 11:04 |
| directhex | you need a pixel clock to synchronize a display and a graphics card, so the card & monitor agree on the data rate | 11:04 |
| popey | Some spec thing to look for | 11:04 |
| directhex | consumer-level cards tend to only include two pixel clocks | 11:05 |
| directhex | displayport avoids the problem because it doesn't need a pixel clock (unless using a DP -> something else adapter) | 11:06 |
| popey | http://askubuntu.com/questions/226579/best-triple-head-display-setup | 11:07 |
| popey | guy in the comment says he has 2xDVI, 1xHDMI, 1xVGA | 11:07 |
| directhex | popey, which GPU do you have? | 11:07 |
| popey | its not for me | 11:08 |
| popey | oh, mine.. uh | 11:08 |
| popey | I'm asking for someone on my LUG | 11:08 |
| directhex | looks like geforce 600 series has 4 pixel clocks | 11:09 |
| directhex | 500 and below has 2 | 11:09 |
| popey | ta | 11:10 |
| penguin42 | directhex: By 'pixel clocks' is that the same thing as CRTCs ? | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | because on things that support xrandr you can see in the output of xrandr --verbose CRTCs lines showing which CRTCs can be used for a particular output | 11:31 |
| directhex | yeah | 11:32 |
| DJones | Hmmh, I wonder whether its worth saving for one of these http://bartongeorge.net/2013/11/15/introducing-sputnik-3-and-its-unofficial-big-brother/ | 11:42 |
| StevenR | morning. Got a problem with one user's profile/account that I can't pin down. No videos play. Not youtube/vlc/mythtv - they all just stall until killed. It works with a fresh user, but I can't see anything that would block it. Both users are in the video/audio groups. Any ideas what would break this? | 11:59 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: I wonder if it's actually audio related? | 11:59 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: Do audio things work? | 12:00 |
| * StevenR goes to try | 12:00 | |
| penguin42 | StevenR: Either way, get a pctl info from the working and none working users | 12:01 |
| StevenR | penguin42: no pctl command? | 12:03 |
| penguin42 | pactl info | 12:03 |
| StevenR | penguin42: yes, audio related | 12:06 |
| StevenR | penguin42: pactl info on the broken user is stalling, returning nothing so far | 12:07 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: OK, hmm | 12:07 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: Is this multiple users logged in at the same time? | 12:07 |
| StevenR | no | 12:07 |
| penguin42 | ps -eaf|grep pulse | 12:08 |
| DJones | diplo: I found out why byobu was scrolling up when using putty, its because Ubuntu expects UTF8 whereas putty defaults to ISO-8859 and for some reason it was causing confusions/scrolling, changing the translation in putty to UTF8 fixed the issue | 12:09 |
| StevenR | penguin42: there's a "start-pulseaudio-x11" running as the broken user that appears stalled | 12:11 |
| popey | StevenR: what are you running there? Ubuntu? | 12:11 |
| StevenR | yes | 12:11 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: Ooh never seen that | 12:12 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: You should just see a /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog | 12:12 |
| popey | what does "pulseaudio -v --check" say? | 12:12 |
| popey | also, grep autospawn /etc/pulse/client.conf | 12:13 |
| StevenR | popey: ; autospawn = yes | 12:13 |
| StevenR | popey: pulseaudio -v --check is stalled | 12:14 |
| * penguin42 would be tempted to nuke ~/.config/pulse kill that hanging process and see what happens on a logout/in | 12:14 | |
| popey | also ~/.pulse | 12:14 |
| popey | I would also do the magic fix... "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" :D | 12:15 |
| penguin42 | and walk around the machine 3 times clockwise | 12:15 |
| popey | don't forget to draw a pentagram on the floor | 12:15 |
| StevenR | hurrah! | 12:20 |
| penguin42 | popey: Must have been the pentagram! | 12:20 |
| popey | the pentagram worked huh? | 12:20 |
| StevenR | .pulse and .pulse-cookie gone | 12:20 |
| popey | :D | 12:20 |
| diplo | ooh good work DJones, I'd never thought of that :/ | 12:21 |
| DJones | diplo: It was a lucky google search | 12:22 |
| DJones | (Other search engines are available) | 12:22 |
| StevenR | popey: penguin42: Thanks. all working now. :D | 12:22 |
| penguin42 | good good | 12:22 |
| penguin42 | StevenR: I guess one of those config/state files got into a mess and for some reason it screwed up the next startup | 12:23 |
| * StevenR nods | 12:23 | |
| diplo | I think I went for the first option. | 12:26 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| ali1234 | popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437455/ | 13:28 |
| ali1234 | this was unnecessarily difficult to achieve due to all the stupid ways python and the shell buffer things | 13:29 |
| MartijnVdS | $|++; | 13:29 |
| popey | golly | 13:29 |
| popey | does it work? ☻ | 13:32 |
| popey | i just get a blank screen | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | unpossible | 13:32 |
| popey | oh, i need to specify a parameter? | 13:33 |
| ali1234 | no? | 13:34 |
| ali1234 | just pipe a command in to it | 13:34 |
| popey | i just get a blank window | 13:34 |
| popey | ahh | 13:34 |
| popey | of course | 13:34 |
| ali1234 | such as tail somefile | 13:34 |
| popey | oh thats awesome | 13:35 |
| popey | thanks | 13:35 |
| ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437473/ <- this takes a parameter: number of seconds to highlight the new lines | 13:35 |
| ali1234 | it buffers up to the last 4MB of log | 13:36 |
| ali1234 | usually this means the last 1000 lines, lines can be up to 4096 bytes | 13:36 |
| popey | brilliant, just what i needed. | 13:37 |
| ali1234 | i dunno what will happen if the line gets split | 13:37 |
| popey | now can you code me up a vga cable? | 13:37 |
| ali1234 | oh and it writes out the entire histroy every 0.2 seconds so in theory it can blast 20mb/sec onto your terminal, so watch out for that | 13:38 |
| ali1234 | that needs fixing really | 13:39 |
| === chrisccoulson is now known as notchrisccoulson | ||
| popey | my cpu keeps getting throttled when the temp is over some threshold | 13:44 |
| popey | but it only does it momentarily, but it does it a lot | 13:44 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: PC or laptop? | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: new or old? | 13:45 |
| popey | x220 in docking station | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | (dusty or not, but I guess you've checked that) | 13:45 |
| popey | been a problem for ages | 13:45 |
| popey | nah | 13:45 |
| popey | cleaned it out and it made no difference | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Lenovo design fial? (docking station blocks ports?) | 13:46 |
| popey | luckily its easy to clean | 13:46 |
| popey | yes | 13:46 |
| popey | no | 13:46 |
| popey | no, ports are clear | 13:46 |
| popey | it does it when not in the dock too, just not as often | 13:46 |
| MartijnVdS | does the docking station itself heat up with use? | 13:46 |
| popey | i am told by someone in the know that its a design fault, it cant dump the heat from the i7 | 13:46 |
| popey | hard to tell | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm quite happy with my XPS-12 btw | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | I had to order a laptop between the previous "Developer edition" going "out of print" and the new one being announced.. | 13:47 |
| popey | tempted to sell this and get something else which doesn't work in a dock but has 1080p screen | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | so I got the XPS-12 rotating screen one | 13:47 |
| popey | wow, i can trigger cpu over speed by opening gnome terminal | 13:48 |
| popey | sometimes.. | 13:49 |
| MartijnVdS | wow, that's bad | 13:49 |
| penguin42 | popey: How long have you had it? | 13:50 |
| popey | Order Date: 27 January 2012 | 13:52 |
| penguin42 | popey: I mean if it was a design fault then EU what-ever thingy, but it's very hard to actually prove it | 13:53 |
| popey | will call lenovo and start the process anyway | 13:53 |
| popey | top - 13:56:49 up 9 days, 5:36, 5 users, load average: 0.46, 1.21, 1.10 | 13:56 |
| popey | and its 80 degrees | 13:56 |
| mungbean | rip-off merchants on amazon really annoy me. how can you search only amazon sales rather than 3rd party? | 14:02 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: when searching, it's in the column on the left I think | 14:03 |
| mungbean | items that should sell for £2.50 are appaering £85 all spammed by the same seller | 14:03 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: you can also report those | 14:03 |
| mungbean | are there rules about it? | 14:03 |
| mungbean | nothing o nthe left for "viewmaster thomas" | 14:04 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yeah, there are. They can't do things like "£1 item, £100 shipping" for instance | 14:04 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: let me check | 14:04 |
| popey | filter on the left, last thing | 14:04 |
| popey | says "seller" | 14:05 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_in_-2_p_6_3?rh=n%3A468292%2Ck%3Aquadcopter%2Cp_6%3AA3P5ROKL5A1OLE&bbn=468292&keywords=quadcopter&ie=UTF8&qid=1384783475&rnid=367778011 | 14:05 |
| mungbean | not appearing on mine. | 14:05 |
| mungbean | i can only filter delivery option, brand, dept. | 14:06 |
| popey | its quite far down | 14:07 |
| popey | after you have searched | 14:07 |
| popey | maybe assumes that you already have results in your search from amazon.co.uk | 14:07 |
| mungbean | http://i.imgur.com/YpBqkWN.png | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yeah, that probably means there's only one merchant, so you can't filter more | 14:09 |
| mungbean | that was a general viewmaster reels search, lots of "merchants" | 14:09 |
| mungbean | weird | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | aw, i jst tried to scroll your screenshot | 14:11 |
| mungbean | ihihih | 14:11 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: http://i.imgur.com/wjANVCD.jpg | 14:11 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| GentileBen | mungbean, your nick isn't very exciting. | 14:41 |
| GentileBen | Aren't there more dynamic beans you can name yourself after? | 14:41 |
| mungbean | i'm changing at christmas | 14:43 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer instantly thinks of borlotti | 14:46 | |
| MooDoo | mungbean: what to? broad? backed? jumping? ;) | 14:54 |
| MooDoo | *baked | 14:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | butter, green, has (lol) | 14:57 |
| MooDoo | lol | 14:57 |
| GentileBen | Mr | 14:58 |
| GentileBen | "Butterbean" sounds like a term of endearment amongst vegetarians. | 14:59 |
| GentileBen | "I love you, my little butterbean..." | 14:59 |
| GentileBen | What about black beans? | 15:02 |
| GentileBen | "Hey fool stay out of my pod yo!" | 15:02 |
| GentileBen | mungbean's family reunion http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/377904658_288e03e282.jpg | 15:03 |
| MooDoo | GentileBen: I assume you know mungbean ? | 15:04 |
| GentileBen | I do, very well. | 15:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | "Pinto!" | 15:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That's an exciting sounding name | 15:06 |
| mgdm | it's a chain of Mexican fast food places, too | 15:06 |
| mgdm | they do burritos. Which I now want. | 15:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh er. Never knew that. | 15:07 |
| mgdm | Oh, they're only in Scotland so far. | 15:08 |
| GentileBen | As long as they stay north of the wall. | 15:08 |
| GentileBen | The Scots are like the White Walkers if they had a higher birth rate. | 15:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We'll build it back up again if they vote to leave. Keep the barbarians out of our green and (sometimes)pleasant land :-) | 15:09 |
| mgdm | I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm going to take it as an insult | 15:09 |
| * dwatkins_ pops in, sees his home is being talked about in what appears to be a negative fashion, and disappears again | 15:16 | |
| === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins | ||
| DJones | popey: Any sign of your N7 update yet? | 15:17 |
| popey | nope | 15:24 |
| popey | and the link to the android aosp file was 404 last time i tried | 15:24 |
| popey | oh there now https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#nakasikrt16o | 15:24 |
| DJones | Just been reading a few postings about it, mainly suggesting it would be the US first then the rest of the world in stages after 2 weeks | 15:25 |
| MartijnVdS | that's the factory images | 15:25 |
| MartijnVdS | you could use those to upgrade non-destructively if you want | 15:25 |
| DJones | .... COuld do, but much simpler to wait patiently... | 15:26 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| popey | how can you upgrade non-destructively? | 15:29 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you download the image from there ( make sure it's the one for your version of the device, re: wifi/3g/etc.) | 15:31 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: then.. let me look it up :) | 15:31 |
| popey | step one done | 15:31 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: I'm assuming you have adb/the android sdk | 15:33 |
| daftykins | ooh 4.4 for the Nexus 4 posted | 15:33 |
| popey | i do ☻ | 15:33 |
| DJones | Doesn't that do a full wipe & install so you have to reinstall all your apps & settings, which to me does sound pretty destructive | 15:34 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you untar that file | 15:34 |
| GentileBen | Any Scots in here? | 15:34 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| GentileBen | ME MAN FROM SOUTH OF WALL. ME BRING FIRE AND JOBSEEKERS' ALLOWANCE | 15:35 |
| GentileBen | I think they got the message. | 15:35 |
| DJones | !guidelines | GentileBen | 15:35 |
| lubotu3 | GentileBen: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 15:35 |
| gordonjcp | !ops | GentileBen | 15:35 |
| lubotu3 | GentileBen: Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N | 15:35 |
| Myrtti | what on earth | 15:36 |
| DJones | GentileBen: This isn't #Defocus, Ubuntu guidelines apply here | 15:36 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: hmm.. that flash script does a "fastboot erase userdata", which is scary.. it also does "-w" (= wipe data) when writing the update.zip | 15:38 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you'll have to remove the -w for sure, and possibly the userdata erase, but I'm not sure about the last one | 15:38 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: xda-developers probably have a HOWTO somewhere on their N7 forums | 15:38 |
| popey | ☻ | 15:39 |
| popey | tbh i dont care too much if i wipe the device | 15:42 |
| popey | I only have 2 apps on it I actually use | 15:42 |
| daftykins | the 4.3 update caused a cache bug to my Nexus 4 that made 'Android OS' take up over 33% battery whilst on, dropping a 3 day runtime to 1.5 | 15:44 |
| daftykins | so i kind of like the idea of clean installs even on phones now >_< | 15:44 |
| daftykins | when i set up smartphones for clients, i apply all updates then factory reset before first configure | 15:44 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: I had that bug today with "Google Play Services", turning phone off & on fixed it for me | 15:45 |
| daftykins | interesting | 15:45 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: but that's a Nexus 5 | 15:46 |
| popey | boom, done | 15:50 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: with or without wipe? | 15:50 |
| popey | just ran flash-all | 15:51 |
| popey | sending 'system' (611878 KB)... | 15:51 |
| popey | wheee | 15:51 |
| MartijnVdS | ok, so you wiped it. Fair enough :) | 15:51 |
| popey | i only use it as my second screen running irssinotifier and tune in radio | 15:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Not as an Ubuntu test platform? | 15:52 |
| popey | not that one | 15:55 |
| popey | i have two | 15:55 |
| popey | plus we didnt focus much on tablets last cycle, but will this one | 15:56 |
| popey | so will probably switch it later | 15:56 |
| popey | wow, takes ages | 15:59 |
| AlanBell | popey: what are the odds of it working on the tesco hudl? | 16:00 |
| popey | so when i said "done" | 16:00 |
| popey | none whatsoever | 16:00 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| SuperMatt | is there a default username and password for machines made in juju? | 16:02 |
| Laney | don't you do 'juju ssh'? | 16:03 |
| SuperMatt | I didn't think of that | 16:05 |
| SuperMatt | Laney: that worked, thanks | 16:05 |
| directhex | Azelphur, http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/index.asp :D | 16:16 |
| penguin42 | directhex: I'm missing something - is it's only clame to being a good bitcoin box a sensible number of PCIe slots? | 16:19 |
| penguin42 | (and a dehumidifier mode?!) | 16:20 |
| directhex | penguin42, yes. | 16:20 |
| daftykins | >_< | 16:21 |
| directhex | penguin42, they don't even pack in the PCIe ribbons they picture on their site, which are needed to use double-width cards in their abundant PCIe slots | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | what are those? | 16:22 |
| penguin42 | just PCIe cabling - then where do you mount the cards? | 16:22 |
| daftykins | messily | 16:23 |
| daftykins | D: | 16:23 |
| directhex | penguin42, you don't :D | 16:23 |
| directhex | you just sorta pile them up... | 16:23 |
| directhex | or build a case out of lego | 16:23 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Rigggghhht | 16:29 |
| penguin42 | directhex: So don't people use PCI-bridge boards to provide themselves more slots then? | 16:29 |
| daftykins | totally up the avenue of a loan wasting student i'd say | 16:29 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It's what drives the economy | 16:30 |
| directhex | you can't turn a profit with GPU-based bitcoin anymore | 16:30 |
| directhex | the whole premise of the board is pants on head | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | directhex: and what do the hardware accels plug into? | 16:31 |
| daftykins | yeah aren't the cool kids using err, what's the term, FPGAs? | 16:32 |
| directhex | ASICs | 16:32 |
| penguin42 | are FPGAs able to break the cost? good FPGAs cost a fortune | 16:32 |
| daftykins | that's the one | 16:32 |
| directhex | and they're all USB or ethernet | 16:33 |
| directhex | except for a few bits of vaporware | 16:35 |
| popey | sending 'userdata' (137526 KB)... | 16:42 |
| popey | still going | 16:42 |
| popey | 40 mins later | 16:42 |
| popey | s/40/50/ | 16:42 |
| daftykins | properly looking bleak down on the high-street just by my place now | 16:43 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/aoc0k25r2ctvu9y/IMG_20131118_163736.jpg | 16:43 |
| penguin42 | that's not bleak! | 16:43 |
| SuperMatt | hey, your sky seems to be brighter than mine | 16:43 |
| SuperMatt | where did you get that from? | 16:44 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:44 |
| SuperMatt | you're not in some kind of foreign land, are you? | 16:44 |
| === DGJones is now known as DJones | ||
| daftykins | i think it's more the poor low light pic taking with the Nexus 4 | 16:44 |
| daftykins | yes, this is the high-street of our capital St Peter Port down here on the isle of Guernsey | 16:44 |
| Laney | looks pleasant to me | 16:45 |
| penguin42 | nod, looks very nice | 16:45 |
| popey | yeah, very xmassy | 16:45 |
| daftykins | well technically it's Le Pollet, but meh, high-street is over in the distance :D | 16:45 |
| daftykins | heh yeah they get the fire brigade to put up the lights | 16:45 |
| popey | way better than my home town looks | 16:45 |
| daftykins | i just nipped 30 seconds down to there to buy a nice coffee :D | 16:46 |
| daftykins | mmm mocha | 16:46 |
| Laney | mmmocha | 16:46 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:46 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmplgmnjxgoliku/IMG_20131011_181856.jpg | 16:46 |
| daftykins | that one from a while back is a bit more like what i'm trying to portray :D | 16:47 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vmivd3wh11qmwn/IMG_20131012_180311.jpg | 16:47 |
| daftykins | or perhaps ominous cloud about Castle Cornet | 16:47 |
| daftykins | last one, i think i shared my little panoramic stitch a bit ago | 16:50 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/asiekrtkx92xr1e/saleriepano.jpg | 16:50 |
| daftykins | :> | 16:50 |
| SuperMatt | daftykins: you're quite far south, aren't you? | 16:51 |
| daftykins | just fitted the two new 500GB seagate laptop drives today, currently racing Vista against 7 installing Windows Updates ¬_¬ | 16:51 |
| daftykins | SuperMatt: yip practically France :> | 16:51 |
| SuperMatt | do you mean actually france? | 16:51 |
| SuperMatt | or dover? | 16:51 |
| daftykins | well Guernsey's in the little sort of pocket of the north | 16:51 |
| SuperMatt | ah | 16:52 |
| SuperMatt | that's the island name I couldn't remember | 16:52 |
| daftykins | next to Cherbourg and St. Malo | 16:52 |
| daftykins | http://goo.gl/maps/STS1Z | 16:52 |
| daftykins | :) | 16:52 |
| popey | so should I kill this flash-all script? | 16:52 |
| popey | alan 13908 0.3 12.2 1269596 983704 pts/10 D+ 15:50 0:11 fastboot -w update image-nakasi-krt16o.zip | 16:53 |
| daftykins | popey: still chugging along? i'd just commit to it | 16:53 |
| popey | hmm | 16:53 |
| daftykins | depends if you have a google account on it that you enable device backup for | 16:53 |
| daftykins | i don't so nuking my device would be followed by lots of manual setup | 16:53 |
| popey | i didnt backup at all | 16:54 |
| popey | its all in the cloud | 16:54 |
| daftykins | yeah Google device backup - that's what i mean | 16:56 |
| SuperMatt | is there a juju channel? | 17:03 |
| popey | ya | 17:04 |
| popey | #juju | 17:04 |
| SuperMatt | cool, I'll check that out later | 17:05 |
| SuperMatt | I'm just trying one more thing | 17:05 |
| SuperMatt | maybe I'll pop in there tomorrow | 17:06 |
| SuperMatt | I'm done with thinking about things for today | 17:06 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:06 |
| SuperMatt | brain has stopped working | 17:06 |
| daftykins | 5pm = brain off o'clock \o/ | 17:06 |
| daftykins | not for me though | 17:06 |
| SuperMatt | so I shall be going to the gym instead | 17:06 |
| daftykins | barely got started XD | 17:06 |
| daftykins | hf! | 17:07 |
| SuperMatt | I'm not technically allowed to leave for the gym for another 23 minutes | 17:07 |
| penguin42 | start jogging around your desk? | 17:07 |
| SuperMatt | but brain is definitely off | 17:07 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:07 |
| SuperMatt | penguin42: the wall might have something to say about that | 17:07 |
| bashrc | locked in? | 17:07 |
| SuperMatt | just core hours | 17:07 |
| bashrc | core brain hours | 17:08 |
| SuperMatt | core brain hours are like 10-10.30 | 17:08 |
| SuperMatt | work hours are 9-5.30 | 17:09 |
| SuperMatt | you see the problem here? | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | SuperMatt: Does it specify timezone? | 17:10 |
| SuperMatt | don't be silly | 17:10 |
| SuperMatt | it's my own damn timezone | 17:10 |
| SuperMatt | sometimes it worries me that this channel is publicly archived | 17:11 |
| daftykins | i feel a tad iffy about it | 17:12 |
| SuperMatt | only because of some of the silly things I say | 17:13 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:13 |
| SuperMatt | ugg, my brain really is switched off right now | 17:13 |
| penguin42 | SuperMatt: And publicly searchable | 17:13 |
| SuperMatt | I'm hoping buying a sad lamp is going to help me | 17:13 |
| daftykins | i always think whoever came up with the acronym for seasonal affective disorder must've been so chuffed with themselves | 17:14 |
| SuperMatt | quite likely | 17:14 |
| SuperMatt | I imagine it was a pub moment | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It was probably the highlight of their winter | 17:20 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:20 |
| SuperMatt | they clearly weren't sad that day | 17:24 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 17:27 |
| SuperMatt | only a minute to go \o/ | 17:29 |
| SuperMatt | and then I get to hit the gym | 17:29 |
| SuperMatt | I must go because I only went once last week | 17:29 |
| SuperMatt | very naught of me | 17:29 |
| Laney | you little horror | 17:32 |
| Azelphur | directhex: I noticed that, it's amusing because of how late it is :) | 17:32 |
| === notchrisccoulson is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| popey | 2 hours flashing 4.4 | 17:44 |
| popey | I am not convinced this is doing anything | 17:44 |
| popey | yup, frozen | 17:45 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 17:45 |
| popey | pretty boot animation | 17:46 |
| penguin42 | but did it freeze with a complete install? | 17:46 |
| popey | \o/ booted | 17:48 |
| daftykins | think it crapped out on user data | 17:48 |
| popey | ya | 17:48 |
| popey | "Restoring..." | 17:48 |
| popey | "Setup complete" | 17:49 |
| popey | \o/ irssi notifier setup | 17:50 |
| popey | first notification received, work here is done | 17:50 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 17:56 |
| daftykins | i shall wait for mine to be prompted for the update :> | 17:56 |
| daftykins | and my reinstall of this Vista laptop is nearly done | 17:58 |
| daftykins | tum-te-tum | 17:58 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| diddledan | just reading oliver grawert's comments about mint | 18:07 |
| daftykins | who's he when he's at home? | 18:08 |
| bashrc | does he like it? | 18:08 |
| diddledan | lemme get the link | 18:08 |
| diddledan | he's an "engineering bod" at canonical... (from omgbuntu) | 18:09 |
| diddledan | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/canonical-dev-dont-use-linux-mint-online-banking-unsecure | 18:10 |
| diddledan | and the obligatory other-side http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/linux-mint-responds-ubuntu-developers-security-claims | 18:11 |
| bashrc | probably sour grapes. Mint has been at the top of the distrowatch chart for the longest time | 18:13 |
| diddledan | the response really makes me feel better about mint's security stance </sarcasm> | 18:15 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| daftykins | heh yeah | 18:16 |
| daftykins | "we do it because" | 18:16 |
| diddledan | "we prefer you never have to reboot or suffer a crashed programme than ensure those programmes never get any nasties" | 18:17 |
| diddledan | </paraphrase> | 18:18 |
| diddledan | direct quote from mint's blog: Anybody running Mint can launch Update Manager -> Edit -> Preferences and enable level 4 and 5 updates, thus making their Linux Mint as “Secure” and “Unstable” as Ubuntu. | 18:18 |
| daftykins | dist-upgrade would do it too? | 18:19 |
| diddledan | that's unclear | 18:20 |
| diddledan | it seems that gui rules | 18:20 |
| daftykins | i figured the topic was mostly regarding novice users | 18:21 |
| diddledan | gotta love that everyone who responds to this http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/11/answering-controversy-stability-vs-security-is-something-you-configure/ seems to be "canonical is evil. canonical must die. wait, people other than canonical develop ubuntu? HAH! canonibuntu must be obliterated from the timeline (soon, please)" | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: no, the funny part is canonical trying to do damage control in the suspects | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | *comments | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | lol where's my head at? | 19:08 |
| diddledan | lol @ suspects | 19:08 |
| diddledan | grr, google can't find my cloudprint printer | 19:08 |
| diddledan | it was working last week | 19:09 |
| diddledan | it's decided to go "offline" | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: native or from a machien running chrome? | 19:09 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: this particular occasion is via chrome | 19:09 |
| directhex | :o | 19:09 |
| directhex | :) | 19:09 |
| directhex | :D | 19:09 |
| directhex | :D | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: is that chrome running? :) | 19:09 |
| directhex | remember my blog post from earlier this week? | 19:09 |
| ali1234 | no | 19:10 |
| * AlanBell nods | 19:10 | |
| AlanBell | mips stuff | 19:10 |
| directhex | https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=mono&ver=3.2.3%2Bdfsg-3&arch=mipsel | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah | 19:10 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: the printer is a cloudprint enabled printer so it works directly with google without an intermediary chrome instance | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | it built \o/ | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: OK.. can you get to its web interface? | 19:11 |
| directhex | AlanBell, in the end, even with the replacement NOP instruction, it would still fail with the same issue - it would get further (most of the way through .net 4.5 rather than early in .net 2.0) but still failing | 19:11 |
| diddledan | random: why do debian use their own certification authority for their ssl certs? | 19:11 |
| directhex | AlanBell, and as luck would have it... i was assigned a buildd with an 11 year old broadcom chip, not a chinese mips clone | 19:12 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: yeah, I just been trawling through the admin to find a reason for it to not be working | 19:12 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: have you tried turning it off and on again? :P | 19:12 |
| AlanBell | directhex: I just ordered the first 7 raspberry pis for the build cluster | 19:12 |
| diddledan | hmm, no, I've not tried that one *smax head* | 19:12 |
| diddledan | ok, that seemed to fix it | 19:13 |
| MartijnVdS | I need to find something to put my NAS on | 19:13 |
| diddledan | I think | 19:13 |
| directhex | AlanBell, i should have mono ready for armhf ubuntu by the end of the year ;) | 19:13 |
| diddledan | maybe not | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | yay | 19:13 |
| MartijnVdS | it's resonating with the cabinet I put it itn :) | 19:14 |
| diddledan | nope, that didn't fix it | 19:14 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: haha it's letting you know it's alive! | 19:14 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: de-register, re-register with google? | 19:14 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: a bit too much though | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | how much faster than a raspberry pi is a beaglebone black? | 19:14 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: I mean, it mails me every day when it's done its backup | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | and does it run ubuntu armhf? | 19:14 |
| directhex | ali1234, lots, and yes | 19:15 |
| ali1234 | lots = 10x? | 19:15 |
| directhex | http://www.ti.com/product/am3358 | 19:15 |
| diddledan | it says "processing failed with error code -93" | 19:16 |
| diddledan | hmm | 19:16 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| AlanBell | ali1234: 2x | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | for raw CPU, the pi wins when there is anything graphical, which there isn't in this context | 19:17 |
| directhex | ali1234, raspberry pi has the iphone 3g's cpu, minus any IO acceleration. beaglebone black is galaxy S | 19:19 |
| directhex | give or take | 19:19 |
| directhex | YMMV | 19:19 |
| directhex | IANAL | 19:19 |
| directhex | IDDQD | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | ah, something i can actually understand | 19:19 |
| directhex | the pi is fast for any job where you ask yourself "would a Sky Box do this?" because it's a set-top box cpu | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 19:20 |
| directhex | high-end HD capable video decode GPU, plus enough CPU to draw a programme guide | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | both have 512MB ram | 19:20 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: hence, XBMC | 19:20 |
| directhex | AND NOT A DROP OF EXTRA POWER | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: but wait, you can overclock it a few MHz | 19:21 |
| daftykins | directhex: IANAL = i am not a lemur? | 19:44 |
| directhex | yes | 19:44 |
| daftykins | :O | 19:45 |
| diddledan | nowai | 19:45 |
| daftykins | alright two laptops reinstalled after new HDDs put in | 19:46 |
| daftykins | 4.5hrs work i guess | 19:46 |
| daftykins | time to cook! | 19:47 |
| daftykins | \o | 19:47 |
| DJones | daftykins: I guess that wan't a windows reinstall then | 20:13 |
| diddledan | sorry about the join/part flood if you've got them turned on | 20:20 |
| diddledan | I was trying to run my macbook with the lid closed. it didn't work. | 20:20 |
| DJones | diddledan: Do you want a delayed kick :) | 20:21 |
| DJones | Lets put it this way, it wasn't exactly noticable | 20:21 |
| diddledan | it depends. is the kick in the googlies or not? | 20:21 |
| DJones | Does it matter with steel toe capped boots? | 20:22 |
| diddledan | it was noticeable from my end, does that count? :-p | 20:22 |
| diddledan | steel toe caps are the best kind of kicks | 20:22 |
| DJones | I think thats forgiveable anyway | 20:22 |
| MooDoo | evening all | 20:24 |
| diddledan | evenink | 20:24 |
| brobostigon | evening MooDoo | 20:24 |
| diddledan | https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/402365655250644992/photo/1 | 21:37 |
| diddledan | I'll just leave that there | 21:37 |
| directhex | (experimental_mipsel-dchroot)directhex@eder:~$ mono --version | head -1 | 21:46 |
| directhex | Mono JIT compiler version 3.2.3 (Debian 3.2.3+dfsg-3) | 21:46 |
| diddledan | directhex: nice | 21:46 |
| diddledan | aside: what does the dfsg in some of debian's package versions refer to? | 21:47 |
| diddledan | I thought maybe debian foundation security group, but it's a wild guess | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | it stands for debian free software guidelines | 21:49 |
| directhex | yeah | 21:49 |
| directhex | it means a source tarball has been rebuilt (i.e. is not identical to the download on the software's site) because their source fails to meet the debian free software guidelines | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | presumably it means you had to patch it to make it "free" | 21:49 |
| directhex | e.g. bundling of binaries, or bundling of non-Free things like RFC text | 21:50 |
| directhex | generally, see debian/README.source in a source package | 21:51 |
| diddledan | oic, so their firefox package (I forget what they called it. ice weasel?) would be one of those | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | i think ice weasel is technically forked upstream | 21:56 |
| directhex | i updated my blog post. http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/545/ | 22:06 |
| neuro | is it a blog post about doctor who? | 22:07 |
| penguin42 | directhex: HTH can you ship a processo ron which the NOP is broken?! | 22:10 |
| directhex | penguin42, china. | 22:10 |
| directhex | penguin42, this is the cpu in the computer RMS was endorsing. | 22:10 |
| penguin42 | sigh - that is possibly the first broken nop I've come across | 22:10 |
| penguin42 | directhex: But for the mul, is there a reason the kernel doesn't flag/emulate it - does it even generate an exception? | 22:11 |
| directhex | penguin42, well, SIGILL | 22:11 |
| neuro | rms was endorsing a computer? | 22:12 |
| neuro | god help us | 22:12 |
| directhex | penguin42, the thing is, the mips ISA does not include MUL. it's normal for MIPS not to include it. | 22:12 |
| directhex | MUL is valid mips assembler, but it does not equate to a standardized opcode | 22:13 |
| directhex | it's supposed to be expanded by your assembly compiler | 22:13 |
| penguin42 | directhex: But what happens when you execute a non-existent opcode on your processor? It throws some SIGIL? | 22:14 |
| directhex | yeah | 22:14 |
| penguin42 | so you could get the kernel to emulate | 22:15 |
| penguin42 | <shower> | 22:15 |
| AlanBell | neuro: yeah, he was, tiny crappy laptops, using mips clone processors because it was out of copyright, or nobody was enforcing copyright or something | 22:16 |
| directhex | mostly because the firmware is Free and in git | 22:16 |
| directhex | fat lot of good it does you when you can't even NOP | 22:16 |
| neuro | the Lemote | 22:16 |
| AlanBell | funny how MIPS went from very desirable silicon graphics workstations to supercheap stuff | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | via games consoles | 22:18 |
| neuro | because SGI found it a) more cost effective to go Intel in terms of power, a la Apple going from PPC to Intel, and b) they went under | 22:18 |
| directhex | it was used in several games consoles | 22:18 |
| directhex | playstation, nintendo 64, playstation 2, playstation vita | 22:18 |
| directhex | er, PSP not vita | 22:18 |
| dwatkins | SGI didn't go under, they just got bought out | 22:18 |
| dwatkins | They've always had a fairly strong clustering business. | 22:19 |
| neuro | how is going bankrupt not going under? | 22:20 |
| dwatkins | They had money in the bank, and still existed as a company, they're still selling servers to this day. | 22:20 |
| neuro | NO WAI! | 22:20 |
| neuro | </sarcasm> :) | 22:21 |
| dwatkins | I should know, I worked there through several rounds of redundancy. | 22:21 |
| directhex | we bought SGI kit. | 22:21 |
| directhex | it was awesome | 22:21 |
| directhex | and they had the best tech support bar none as well as the best performance | 22:21 |
| dwatkins | They designed some pretty good stuff, sadly not all of it was so good. | 22:22 |
| dwatkins | Thanks, directhex - I was in support :) | 22:22 |
| neuro | dwatkins: sorry, disagree with your assessment | 22:22 |
| directhex | altix! | 22:22 |
| neuro | May 2006, SGI files for chapter 11 | 22:22 |
| neuro | October 2006, SGI comes out of chapter 11 protection | 22:22 |
| dwatkins | neuro: I'm not a finance person, I just know that the company still exists with many of the same people. Perhaps on paper it stopped trading, but that's not what I saw happen. | 22:22 |
| neuro | Dec 2008, SGI is delisted from NASDAQ | 22:23 |
| neuro | April 2009, files for chapter 11 again | 22:23 |
| dwatkins | yeah, that was when it got bought up by Rackable, neuro. | 22:23 |
| directhex | SGI did a lot of stupid business. e.g. they were leasing old offices to google for less than they were paying on the mortgage | 22:23 |
| dwatkins | Rackable then changed their name to SGI. | 22:23 |
| neuro | May 2009, Rackable Systems buys SGI assets and name for $25m | 22:23 |
| dwatkins | So in financial terms, the old SGI stopped existing, yeah, but that's just on paper. | 22:23 |
| neuro | June 2009, the old SGI becomes Graphics Properties Holdings, Inc (GPHI), and becomes a patent troll | 22:23 |
| directhex | dwatkins, i like telling eng lim goh's pringle anecdote | 22:24 |
| dwatkins | directhex: don't think I heard that one, he's a smart cookie, though. | 22:24 |
| directhex | dwatkins, P&G bought an Ice cluster. its purpose: fluid dynamics. to try & reduce the aerodynamic nature of pringles, to speed up the production line without them flying off | 22:24 |
| dwatkins | What saddens me now is working for a much larger company, but not being able to do proper computing like we did at SGI. | 22:25 |
| neuro | "proper"? you mean like proper computational stuff? | 22:26 |
| dwatkins | Not just that, but that's part of it. | 22:28 |
| neuro | your employer doesn't really need any HPC then? | 22:29 |
| neuro | for me, $employer-2 did | 22:30 |
| neuro | great big feck off Platform cluster to do chip simulations | 22:30 |
| dwatkins | Yes and no, we do mostly desktop stuff, but the servers are very windws-centric, so when stuff is put into maintenance for server-side things, there's sometimes downtime. | 22:30 |
| dwatkins | Granted, that's occasionally unavoidable, but it happens more than it should from my perspective. | 22:31 |
| dwatkins | It's largely a matter of how things are designed, redundancy and so on. | 22:31 |
| neuro | we're gonna have a 2 day outage at some point | 22:31 |
| neuro | big mysql migration | 22:31 |
| dwatkins | That's utterly unacceptable in the supercomputing world, neuro ;) | 22:32 |
| neuro | oh jeez i know :) | 22:32 |
| neuro | mixed 5.1/5.5 on centos/win to 5.6 on ubuntu | 22:32 |
| dwatkins | I assume it's data that can't just be kept running on one system whilst they upgrade a copy, though. | 22:32 |
| neuro | too many changes | 22:32 |
| dwatkins | Such is often the case with customer databases and the like. | 22:33 |
| neuro | also too many things doing rw to the master and ro to the slaves | 22:33 |
| dwatkins | I just hope you don't have an IE-only interface to it ;) | 22:33 |
| neuro | ooh, good call | 22:33 |
| neuro | let me dig out an old XP laptop | 22:33 |
| neuro | nah, we use a whole raft of stuff | 22:34 |
| dwatkins | This is similar to what we use: http://wiki.scn.sap.com/wiki/download/attachments/107611091/5.JPG | 22:34 |
| neuro | cli, obviously, plus mysql workbench and sequel pro / sqlyog | 22:34 |
| neuro | holy crap | 22:34 |
| dwatkins | I have a virtual machine dedicated to using it, so I know it will work no matter what the (Mac) laptop on my desk does. | 22:34 |
| neuro | that makes Remedy look amazing | 22:35 |
| neuro | $employer-2 was planning a big SAP rollout for last year or this year | 22:35 |
| neuro | glad i got out when i did ;) | 22:35 |
| dwatkins | The strange thing is, at SGI, we used a Windows 2000 application (called "Clarify"), and hated it a little at the time, but looking back, Clarify was superb, fast, and did the job very well. | 22:35 |
| neuro | ah, Windows 2000 | 22:36 |
| neuro | second best Windows, ever | 22:36 |
| dwatkins | We even had developers able to extend Clarify, and a web-based mail interface to automatically turn an e-mail into a support case with a modified version of squirrelmail. | 22:36 |
| dwatkins | It now takes me 3 minutes to do what I could do in about 7 seconds in Clarify. | 22:36 |
| neuro | this Clarify? http://dovetailsoftware.com/clarify/ | 22:37 |
| neuro | oh, they're a third party | 22:38 |
| dwatkins | no, this is the best screenshot I can find quickly: http://i.cmpnet.com/callmag2000/content/custsupport110b.gif "Clarify ClearSupport" - it had other functions, too. | 22:38 |
| dwatkins | Biggest thing that vexes me is that I could have ten cases open in separate windows within Clarify, but the system I use now only lets me have one session open at a time, so one case. | 22:39 |
| neuro | Amdocs Clarify, used to belong to Nortel, right? | 22:39 |
| dwatkins | No idea, I imagine it was bought up plenty of times. | 22:39 |
| neuro | http://connectedplanetonline.com/mag/telecom_amdocs_collects_clarify/ | 22:39 |
| neuro | i'm actually in the market for a decent helpdesk system | 22:40 |
| neuro | we have a homebrew thing in ASPX which is nasty | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | Possibly, but the Clarify we used was an application, not browser-based. | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | The most important thing is sane date ;) | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | data, even | 22:40 |
| neuro | I think that thing I first linked to is a web interface to the Clarify backend | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | If your customer information is incomplete or the database can't be extended, if you grow to a certain size and can't extend it, you're hosed. | 22:41 |
| neuro | the main problem we have is that our interface is awful | 22:41 |
| neuro | and the email comms side is non existent | 22:41 |
| dwatkins | Simple things like how a record is defined, what a site means - having a new entry for each company when they buy new software causes problems further down the line. | 22:41 |
| neuro | i'd love to go for a SaaS solution, but they're all ridiculously expensive | 22:42 |
| neuro | i'm going to end up eating the bullet and going RT or OTRS, i know it | 22:42 |
| dwatkins | not come across those | 22:42 |
| neuro | zendesk looks incredible, but just not cost-efficient enough for us | 22:42 |
| neuro | really? | 22:42 |
| dwatkins | zendesk is great, although I have my reservations about using an external system for anything like that | 22:43 |
| neuro | i'd have thought most geeks by now would have had to touch either RT or OTRS at some point | 22:43 |
| neuro | I actually managed an install at smoothwall back in the day, was a pain in the bum | 22:43 |
| dwatkins | I've not been involved with choosing a CRM. | 22:43 |
| neuro | it's not a CRM, it's just a helpdesk | 22:43 |
| dwatkins | ah ok | 22:43 |
| neuro | although no doubt people have grafted CRM onto it | 22:43 |
| neuro | /them | 22:43 |
| dwatkins | I just know that I've used some systems which are great, mostly browser-based, simple, and hide their complexity. | 22:43 |
| neuro | i saw zendesk or some other SaaS helpdesk system has gamification built in | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | There's a video from an Australian company going around at the moment entitled "your user is drunk" which sums-up user interface design quite well | 22:44 |
| neuro | so you get badges for closing X amount of tickets, or keeping to your KPIs, etc | 22:44 |
| Seeker` | is youtube down? | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | ahhh the joy of stats | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | this works for me, Seeker` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CbbBLVaPk | 22:45 |
| neuro | Seeker`: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/youtube.com | 22:45 |
| Seeker` | :O ITS NOT JUST ME | 22:45 |
| neuro | youtube.com 500'd for me a minute ago, but fine now | 22:45 |
| Seeker` | all this time I tohught I was alone in the world! | 22:45 |
| neuro | i love people who do presos where they don't just read what's on the screen | 22:46 |
| neuro | watching someone fire up powerpoint and read every bullet point is just paaaaaaaaainful | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | yeah, neuro - that guy seems to really know his stuff | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | bah, my lovely old iBook no longer does internets, the wifi seems to have stopped working properly | 22:48 |
| neuro | hit it | 22:48 |
| neuro | airport cards are pretty cheap on ebay iirc | 22:49 |
| neuro | "Martinis and code" | 22:49 |
| neuro | like it | 22:49 |
| Seeker` | the ballmer peak is real | 22:51 |
| dwatkins | It detects the networks which are there, I just can't join my WPA2 network even if I choose "other" and select WPA2 Persona. | 22:52 |
| dwatkins | Personal | 22:52 |
| neuro | G3 or G4? | 22:53 |
| dwatkins | G3: http://imagine41.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/p/apple_ibook_g3_350_blue_005_3.jpg | 22:54 |
| dwatkins | yeah, it's proper old, runs 10.3.9 | 22:54 |
| neuro | http://superuser.com/questions/308931/ibook-g4-tiger-10-4-11-cant-connect-via-secured-wifi | 22:55 |
| neuro | although they're running 1.04 | 22:55 |
| neuro | oops, 10.4 | 22:55 |
| neuro | i can't type tonight, hands cold | 22:55 |
| dwatkins | sounds very similar, though, thanks neuro | 22:56 |
| neuro | gorgeous aluminium apple products + cold weather + crappy heating = brrrrrrr frostbitten finger tips! | 22:56 |
| dwatkins | I'll have a fiddle with the settings on the routers, what makes this more complex is that I have two routers with the same SSID. | 22:56 |
| daftykins | three of lifes guarantees: death, taxes and needing long fingernails immediately after cutting them | 22:56 |
| neuro | been there | 22:56 |
| dwatkins | I cut my nails so they're a couple mm long, just in case I need them. | 22:57 |
| neuro | although i rarely let my nails grow longer than a fraction of an inch | 22:57 |
| daftykins | :D normally i leave a single thumb longish, but i just could not separate a binsack just before :> | 22:57 |
| neuro | mind you, i have long nails on the finger, i don't have those stubby little nails that some people have | 22:57 |
| neuro | i was never a nailbiter | 22:57 |
| dwatkins | My grandad had a split fingernail because he used it to turn screws. | 22:58 |
| neuro | ooft | 22:58 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:58 |
| daftykins | yeah i don't get the biting thing | 22:59 |
| daftykins | although i'm a nose picker so what i improve of in some areas i take back just the same... | 22:59 |
| daftykins | ;D | 22:59 |
| neuro | lol | 22:59 |
| neuro | argh, another filled /boot | 23:00 |
| neuro | stupid kernels | 23:00 |
| daftykins | yeah :( they mount up don't they | 23:01 |
| neuro | luckily i hacked up a script to uninstall all kernels except the one that's running and the most recent one | 23:01 |
| neuro | although i realise now i'm not sure how it reacts if the two are one and the same | 23:01 |
| neuro | i keep meaning to throw stuff like that up on github | 23:01 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:02 |
| neuro | i have a repo ready: http://github.com/evilneuro/tildebin | 23:02 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| penguin42 | AlanBell: There was a paper by one of the SGI architects at some point before the Nintendo 64 predicting the evolution of the games consoles | 23:08 |
| neuro | there we go | 23:08 |
| neuro | https://github.com/evilneuro/tildebin/blob/master/remove-old-kernels | 23:08 |
| daftykins | penguin42: do you remember the details? | 23:09 |
| penguin42 | hmm, might be able to find it | 23:10 |
| penguin42 | it's about 20 years since I looked at that stuff though | 23:12 |
| daftykins | :D don't worry | 23:12 |
| * penguin42 did his MSc in VR systems using SGI boxes in about 93-94 | 23:13 | |
| daftykins | :o | 23:13 |
| dwatkins | penguin42: yeah, that was their hayday | 23:13 |
| dwatkins | desktops so heavy you could barely lift them on your own | 23:14 |
| penguin42 | dwatkins: Well, in the case of a Crimson more of a case of how many people were needed to push it | 23:14 |
| neuro | we need to stop talking about anything closely related to games consoles | 23:14 |
| neuro | my xbox one arrives on friday | 23:15 |
| daftykins | we do? how come? | 23:15 |
| neuro | happy dance | 23:15 |
| daftykins | hehe | 23:15 |
| daftykins | hear about the PS4 sabotage? | 23:15 |
| neuro | sabotage? | 23:15 |
| dwatkins | penguin42: ah yes, those make great fridges | 23:15 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: I wondered if it was just a rumour | 23:15 |
| neuro | oh "sketchy, at best", says kotaku | 23:15 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: the amazon US reviews are showing a lot of DOA consoles | 23:15 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: ah I see, when I read about it yesterday there weren't any figures on the number of DOAs | 23:16 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I'm wondering if this is the paper I'm thinking of, but it's pay walled http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=801272 | 23:16 |
| neuro | CURSE YOU, ACM! *shakes fist* | 23:17 |
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| penguin42 | exactly | 23:17 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | http://design.osu.edu/carlson/history/PDFs/geometry-engine.pdf | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | but I'm not actually sure if that's the paper I was originally thinking of | 23:18 |
| penguin42 | I thought there was something nearer early 90's | 23:19 |
| penguin42 | Yeh, that's not the one - but I think the one I'm thinking of was written by James Clark | 23:22 |
| penguin42 | most annoying, I can't find the paper - but I can't quite know what I'm searching for | 23:38 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:40 |
| penguin42 | but I think this would be what was originally called Porject Reality/Ultra 64 and it was a paper a good couple of years maybe a few more before Nintendo 64 actually came out | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z45nbzMLk98 | 23:52 |
| penguin42 | hehe that was the day - a bit late in the day | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | i remember watching that on tv and thinking it was amazing | 23:56 |
| * penguin42 remembers we had a SGI Crimson in about 94 that would be a bit before that doing real time 3d on polarised glasses using a pair of projectors - it was pretty damn neat | 23:57 | |
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