=== sjhh_ is now known as sjhh [07:01] morning all [08:11] Goood Morning! [08:57] meh [08:59] Myrtti: and a good morning to you :) [08:59] atleast it's not Tuesday [09:04] Morning all [09:05] Myrtti, Are you ok for a pm [09:06] As Myrtti's official PM gatekeeper, I'm going to allow this. [09:07] DGJones: if you don't expect coherent answers [09:07] GentileBen: meh [09:07] I feel like Tardar Sauce the cat === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:08] Hmmh, /msg doesn't work in xchat [09:11] morning all. [09:14] morning TheOpenSourcerer :) [09:15] So, keep getting reminded 13.10 is out and do i want to upgrade.. running 13.04 atm.. worth the update or buggy ? [09:16] my motto has been that upgrading non-LTS's is always a good idea [09:17] upgrading LTS's is a good idea when a new LTS is around [09:17] diplo, PLus 13.04 wil be EOL in January [09:17] 13.10 is fine now [09:18] it was not fine when chromium would refuse to load Reddit Enhancement Suite [09:18] Have been using it since release - it's OK. It was a bit rough around the edges but is no worse than 13.04. [09:18] Myrtti: I was the same earlier on, but had so many issues since 11.* with early upgrades I've left it a lot later now, I had to upgrade from 12.04 because I needed some specific package for some dev [09:19] OK great, I'm sold. [09:19] I'm debating myself should I be a guinea pig for LTS to LTS upgrade path [09:20] there's so many things in 12.04 bugging me out right now that I pine for an upgrade [09:20] 13.04->13.10 was the smoothest upgrade I've ever had, absolutely zero errors/issues during upgrade, normally there's an odd, niggling error, but there was nothing this time [09:20] DGJones: that's because almost nothing changed ;) [09:20] may I complain about something though, this is only related to Ubuntu and 12.04 [09:20] though if you're running 12.04 on a server, don't upgrade to 14.04 until you've tested your apache confs [09:20] the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4 caused a few issues for me [09:21] nah, I only just upgraded from natty to 12.04 on my server :) [09:21] probably the biggest change in 13.04->13.10 is the indicator api changed quite a lot [09:21] I didn't know it was possible for IT support to order a laptop these days that doesn't come with inbuilt bluetooth. Well, I knew it was possible but I didn't know it was possible they were assuming that me not mentioning it means that I don't want it by default [09:21] there weren't a lot of user facing changes, I'll admit to that [09:22] SuperMatt: no, just a laptop [09:22] no apaches or such running here [09:22] but it's a factory install of Ubuntu tweaked by IT support [09:23] so I'm feeling hesitant over nuking the partitions and doing a fresh install [09:23] I spent quite a bit of time in the last week looking at laptops for my father-in-law and don't think any of them didn't come with bluetooth [09:24] DGJones: Dell and clueless IT support... [09:25] Myrtti, Right, probably find it was more expensive as well as it was non-standard in not including BT [09:25] I do confess that I feel kinda guilty for not telling them exactly what I wanted [09:25] I just told them I want HD screen, webcam, fast enough CPU that I don't start crying when doing LaTeX and enough RAM that that won't be the bottleneck [09:26] "and please the smallest possible model you can order" [09:26] Even so, they must have trawled the Dell website to find one without BT [09:27] any reason why you don't want blutooth? [09:27] I'm sure you can just switch it off in the bios/OS so it doesn't bother you [09:28] Next time just tell them you IBM's Deep Blue in a laptop case with a 2560*1200 HD screen [09:29] Powered by Unicorns [09:29] DGJones: by default the configuration list adds bluetooth it seems, but they must've taken it off and saved 4€ [09:30] (so now I have requested for a Bluetooth 4.0 dongle that costs 15€) [09:30] Just get one of the tiny bluetooth usb things Myrtti £2-3 [09:30] £1 at poundland [09:30] and they work fine [09:30] I'm not going to spend a penny of my own money, I've just put it on the Health and Safety purchase list [09:30] Even better, mines plugged into mine, forget about it as it's so small :) [09:31] from a reputable seller that does invoices [09:35] Morning all! :-D [09:48] Im still liking the Sony Vaio Pro 11 [09:48] Mind, I had a play with a thinkpad carbon and dear $diety, if they came in an 11 inch... [10:01] Hmmh, wierd problem ssh'd into a box at home, when I start byobu, its scrolling down the screen as though a carriage return is being pressed on the keyboard, but it doesn't happen outside of byobu [10:03] DGJones: I've had that [10:03] Any idea how to fix it [10:03] Tmux issue, change to screen and it's fine. [10:03] I've rebooted the machine [10:04] That was with putty [10:04] Very odd, screen doesn't do it, I'll give it another reboot & just see if that fixes it [10:04] Yes, same here [10:04] I'll find a post [10:04] tsux :P [10:05] can someone open System Log on ubuntu 13.10 and tell me if they see date stamps? [10:05] in the syslog -> today area [10:05] how do you open it? [10:05] uhhh [10:05] I just had it crash [10:06] and again [10:06] well, I use Dash -> sys... press enter [10:06] Did you run this DGJones byobu-select-backend [10:06] ? [10:06] (gnome-system-log:28466): Gtk-CRITICAL **: _gtk_css_rgba_value_get_rgba: assertion 'rgba->class == >K_CSS_VALUE_RGBA' failed [10:06] [1] 28466 segmentation fault (core dumped) gnome-system-lo [10:06] diplo, No, Just straight "byobu" [10:06] /usr/bin/gnome-system-log [10:06] g [10:07] not installed [10:07] To change from tmoux to screen DGJones [10:07] gnome-system-log is the package [10:07] Yeah, I'll give that a go [10:07] keeps segfaulting on me [10:07] oof [10:07] that's a separate bug then [10:07] yup \o/ [10:07] ok it works for me. what am i looking for? [10:07] the dates in the syslog bit [10:08] the dates are white on white for me [10:08] so only show when I mouse select them [10:08] they are grey on white for me [10:08] hmm [10:08] theme issue? [10:08] mayhap [10:08] i don't have anything that says "today" [10:08] no triangle next to syslog? [10:08] interesting [10:08] no. actually it does say "today" though [10:09] bug 1045602 [10:09] when I set my theme to ambiance, my segfault goes away [10:09] bug 1045602 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "date and time in gnome-system-log is white text on white background" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045602 [10:09] seems already filed [10:09] and my dates are white on white too [10:09] http://imagebin.org/277700 [10:10] right, so theme issue [10:10] the bug confirms it, thanks [10:10] excellent bug hunting everyone. we make a great team [10:11] i can't reproduce it by changing to ambiance/radiance [10:11] might need to restart it though [10:11] yes, there we go [10:11] can't beliebe it segfaults for me just because I'm using a different theme [10:11] numix, for what it's worth [10:12] HA [10:12] report that, they'll want to fix it [10:12] sure [10:12] i'll confirm it [10:13] probably needs filing upstream in gnome [10:13] numix isn't gnome [10:13] not what i meant [10:14] its not a bug in gnome-system-log? [10:14] well, i meant report it to the numix devs [10:14] gnome-system-log look slike yet more abandonware [10:17] 3.9.3 in development.. [10:17] bug 1231439 already reported [10:17] bug 1231439 in gnome-system-log (Ubuntu) "gnome-system-log crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231439 [10:18] apparently all the shimmer themes except for the one i use cause it [10:18] is there a terminal or tail type command that highlights new lines ? [10:18] i don't understand. how do you highlight a none printing character? [10:18] no, i mean new appended lines [10:18] like, make the most recent lines added in the last 10 seconds bold [10:18] then unbold after 10s [10:19] hmm... [10:19] so if i glance at the terminal running it I can see the new lines added recently [10:20] ooh, multitail is nice [10:22] good morning everyone. [10:23] morning brobostigon [10:23] morning MooDoo [10:23] Does anybody know whether anything replaced the noip2 client [10:26] ddns DJones ? [10:27] DJones: http://askubuntu.com/questions/184704/the-noip2-no-ip-com-package-was-deleted-from-the-repository-now-what [10:27] i do that inside my router [10:27] lots show up if you apt-cache search dyndns [10:28] Cheers, was using dyndns, but for some reason its stopped working === hayden is now known as Devilsolution [10:31] i use afraid.org now [10:32] I am with them but can't get my client to update, there is a bug already [10:32] * diplo looks [10:32] * brobostigon uses them also. [10:33] yeah ddclient is what I used, and it doesn't like updating [10:36] Ah well, ddclient with no-ip settings works fine [10:37] yeah. protocol should be set to freedns but it's unknown. Find the bug now [10:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/1092966 [10:38] Ubuntu bug 1092966 in ddclient (Ubuntu) "Freedns support removed from ddclient" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:39] Seems I need 3.8.1 [10:48] popey: this should work: watch --color 'tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$"' [10:48] but it doesn't :( [10:48] instead of showing the colour, it just eats it instead [10:48] tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | grep --color=always -E "$(date +"%h %d %H")|$" works [10:50] and why is whoopsie spamming syslog every minute? [10:55] ooh! [10:55] watch has a colour option, didnt know that [10:56] but it doesn't work [11:01] I didn't know that either \o/ [11:01] you guys know about ccze? [11:02] tail -f /var/log/syslog | ccze [11:02] nice coloured tail logs [11:02] am I right in saying any nvidia card with 3 (or more) ports will be able to drive 3 monitors with the binary driver in twinview mode? [11:03] iirc yes [11:03] well, depends [11:03] ta [11:03] oh? [11:03] one of them has to be displayport afaik [11:03] or hdmi? [11:03] (my card has 2xDVI 1xmini HDMI) [11:03] the problem is pixel clocks [11:04] is there a definitive way to find out, by browsing amazon or whatever? [11:04] you need a pixel clock to synchronize a display and a graphics card, so the card & monitor agree on the data rate [11:04] Some spec thing to look for [11:05] consumer-level cards tend to only include two pixel clocks [11:06] displayport avoids the problem because it doesn't need a pixel clock (unless using a DP -> something else adapter) [11:07] http://askubuntu.com/questions/226579/best-triple-head-display-setup [11:07] guy in the comment says he has 2xDVI, 1xHDMI, 1xVGA [11:07] popey, which GPU do you have? [11:08] its not for me [11:08] oh, mine.. uh [11:08] I'm asking for someone on my LUG [11:09] looks like geforce 600 series has 4 pixel clocks [11:09] 500 and below has 2 [11:10] ta [11:29] directhex: By 'pixel clocks' is that the same thing as CRTCs ? [11:31] because on things that support xrandr you can see in the output of xrandr --verbose CRTCs lines showing which CRTCs can be used for a particular output [11:32] yeah [11:42] Hmmh, I wonder whether its worth saving for one of these http://bartongeorge.net/2013/11/15/introducing-sputnik-3-and-its-unofficial-big-brother/ [11:59] morning. Got a problem with one user's profile/account that I can't pin down. No videos play. Not youtube/vlc/mythtv - they all just stall until killed. It works with a fresh user, but I can't see anything that would block it. Both users are in the video/audio groups. Any ideas what would break this? [11:59] StevenR: I wonder if it's actually audio related? [12:00] StevenR: Do audio things work? [12:00] * StevenR goes to try [12:01] StevenR: Either way, get a pctl info from the working and none working users [12:03] penguin42: no pctl command? [12:03] pactl info [12:06] penguin42: yes, audio related [12:07] penguin42: pactl info on the broken user is stalling, returning nothing so far [12:07] StevenR: OK, hmm [12:07] StevenR: Is this multiple users logged in at the same time? [12:07] no [12:08] ps -eaf|grep pulse [12:09] diplo: I found out why byobu was scrolling up when using putty, its because Ubuntu expects UTF8 whereas putty defaults to ISO-8859 and for some reason it was causing confusions/scrolling, changing the translation in putty to UTF8 fixed the issue [12:11] penguin42: there's a "start-pulseaudio-x11" running as the broken user that appears stalled [12:11] StevenR: what are you running there? Ubuntu? [12:11] yes [12:12] StevenR: Ooh never seen that [12:12] StevenR: You should just see a /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog [12:12] what does "pulseaudio -v --check" say? [12:13] also, grep autospawn /etc/pulse/client.conf [12:13] popey: ; autospawn = yes [12:14] popey: pulseaudio -v --check is stalled [12:14] * penguin42 would be tempted to nuke ~/.config/pulse kill that hanging process and see what happens on a logout/in [12:14] also ~/.pulse [12:15] I would also do the magic fix... "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" :D [12:15] and walk around the machine 3 times clockwise [12:15] don't forget to draw a pentagram on the floor [12:20] hurrah! [12:20] popey: Must have been the pentagram! [12:20] the pentagram worked huh? [12:20] .pulse and .pulse-cookie gone [12:20] :D [12:21] ooh good work DJones, I'd never thought of that :/ [12:22] diplo: It was a lucky google search [12:22] (Other search engines are available) [12:22] popey: penguin42: Thanks. all working now. :D [12:22] good good [12:23] StevenR: I guess one of those config/state files got into a mess and for some reason it screwed up the next startup [12:23] * StevenR nods [12:26] I think I went for the first option. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:28] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437455/ [13:29] this was unnecessarily difficult to achieve due to all the stupid ways python and the shell buffer things [13:29] $|++; [13:29] golly [13:32] does it work? ☻ [13:32] i just get a blank screen [13:32] unpossible [13:33] oh, i need to specify a parameter? [13:34] no? [13:34] just pipe a command in to it [13:34] i just get a blank window [13:34] ahh [13:34] of course [13:34] such as tail somefile [13:35] oh thats awesome [13:35] thanks [13:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6437473/ <- this takes a parameter: number of seconds to highlight the new lines [13:36] it buffers up to the last 4MB of log [13:36] usually this means the last 1000 lines, lines can be up to 4096 bytes [13:37] brilliant, just what i needed. [13:37] i dunno what will happen if the line gets split [13:37] now can you code me up a vga cable? [13:38] oh and it writes out the entire histroy every 0.2 seconds so in theory it can blast 20mb/sec onto your terminal, so watch out for that [13:39] that needs fixing really === chrisccoulson is now known as notchrisccoulson [13:44] my cpu keeps getting throttled when the temp is over some threshold [13:44] but it only does it momentarily, but it does it a lot [13:45] popey: PC or laptop? [13:45] popey: new or old? [13:45] x220 in docking station [13:45] (dusty or not, but I guess you've checked that) [13:45] been a problem for ages [13:45] nah [13:45] cleaned it out and it made no difference [13:46] Lenovo design fial? (docking station blocks ports?) [13:46] luckily its easy to clean [13:46] yes [13:46] no [13:46] no, ports are clear [13:46] it does it when not in the dock too, just not as often [13:46] does the docking station itself heat up with use? [13:46] i am told by someone in the know that its a design fault, it cant dump the heat from the i7 [13:47] hard to tell [13:47] I'm quite happy with my XPS-12 btw [13:47] I had to order a laptop between the previous "Developer edition" going "out of print" and the new one being announced.. [13:47] tempted to sell this and get something else which doesn't work in a dock but has 1080p screen [13:47] so I got the XPS-12 rotating screen one [13:48] wow, i can trigger cpu over speed by opening gnome terminal [13:49] sometimes.. [13:49] wow, that's bad [13:50] popey: How long have you had it? [13:52] Order Date: 27 January 2012 [13:53] popey: I mean if it was a design fault then EU what-ever thingy, but it's very hard to actually prove it [13:53] will call lenovo and start the process anyway [13:56] top - 13:56:49 up 9 days, 5:36, 5 users, load average: 0.46, 1.21, 1.10 [13:56] and its 80 degrees [14:02] rip-off merchants on amazon really annoy me. how can you search only amazon sales rather than 3rd party? [14:03] mungbean: when searching, it's in the column on the left I think [14:03] items that should sell for £2.50 are appaering £85 all spammed by the same seller [14:03] mungbean: you can also report those [14:03] are there rules about it? [14:04] nothing o nthe left for "viewmaster thomas" [14:04] mungbean: yeah, there are. They can't do things like "£1 item, £100 shipping" for instance [14:04] mungbean: let me check [14:04] filter on the left, last thing [14:05] says "seller" [14:05] http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_in_-2_p_6_3?rh=n%3A468292%2Ck%3Aquadcopter%2Cp_6%3AA3P5ROKL5A1OLE&bbn=468292&keywords=quadcopter&ie=UTF8&qid=1384783475&rnid=367778011 [14:05] not appearing on mine. [14:06] i can only filter delivery option, brand, dept. [14:07] its quite far down [14:07] after you have searched [14:07] maybe assumes that you already have results in your search from amazon.co.uk [14:08] http://i.imgur.com/YpBqkWN.png [14:09] mungbean: yeah, that probably means there's only one merchant, so you can't filter more [14:09] that was a general viewmaster reels search, lots of "merchants" [14:09] weird [14:11] aw, i jst tried to scroll your screenshot [14:11] ihihih [14:11] mungbean: http://i.imgur.com/wjANVCD.jpg === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:41] mungbean, your nick isn't very exciting. [14:41] Aren't there more dynamic beans you can name yourself after? [14:43] i'm changing at christmas [14:46] * TheOpenSourcerer instantly thinks of borlotti [14:54] mungbean: what to? broad? backed? jumping? ;) [14:54] *baked [14:57] butter, green, has (lol) [14:57] lol [14:58] Mr [14:59] "Butterbean" sounds like a term of endearment amongst vegetarians. [14:59] "I love you, my little butterbean..." [15:02] What about black beans? [15:02] "Hey fool stay out of my pod yo!" [15:03] mungbean's family reunion http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/377904658_288e03e282.jpg [15:04] GentileBen: I assume you know mungbean ? [15:05] I do, very well. [15:06] "Pinto!" [15:06] That's an exciting sounding name [15:06] it's a chain of Mexican fast food places, too [15:07] they do burritos. Which I now want. [15:07] Oooh er. Never knew that. [15:08] Oh, they're only in Scotland so far. [15:08] As long as they stay north of the wall. [15:09] The Scots are like the White Walkers if they had a higher birth rate. [15:09] We'll build it back up again if they vote to leave. Keep the barbarians out of our green and (sometimes)pleasant land :-) [15:09] I have no idea what you're on about, but I'm going to take it as an insult [15:16] * dwatkins_ pops in, sees his home is being talked about in what appears to be a negative fashion, and disappears again === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [15:17] popey: Any sign of your N7 update yet? [15:24] nope [15:24] and the link to the android aosp file was 404 last time i tried [15:24] oh there now https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#nakasikrt16o [15:25] Just been reading a few postings about it, mainly suggesting it would be the US first then the rest of the world in stages after 2 weeks [15:25] that's the factory images [15:25] you could use those to upgrade non-destructively if you want [15:26] .... COuld do, but much simpler to wait patiently... === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:29] how can you upgrade non-destructively? [15:31] popey: you download the image from there ( make sure it's the one for your version of the device, re: wifi/3g/etc.) [15:31] popey: then.. let me look it up :) [15:31] step one done [15:33] popey: I'm assuming you have adb/the android sdk [15:33] ooh 4.4 for the Nexus 4 posted [15:33] i do ☻ [15:34] Doesn't that do a full wipe & install so you have to reinstall all your apps & settings, which to me does sound pretty destructive [15:34] popey: you untar that file [15:34] Any Scots in here? === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:35] ME MAN FROM SOUTH OF WALL. ME BRING FIRE AND JOBSEEKERS' ALLOWANCE [15:35] I think they got the message. [15:35] !guidelines | GentileBen [15:35] GentileBen: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [15:35] !ops | GentileBen [15:35] GentileBen: Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [15:36] what on earth [15:36] GentileBen: This isn't #Defocus, Ubuntu guidelines apply here [15:38] popey: hmm.. that flash script does a "fastboot erase userdata", which is scary.. it also does "-w" (= wipe data) when writing the update.zip [15:38] popey: you'll have to remove the -w for sure, and possibly the userdata erase, but I'm not sure about the last one [15:38] popey: xda-developers probably have a HOWTO somewhere on their N7 forums [15:39] ☻ [15:42] tbh i dont care too much if i wipe the device [15:42] I only have 2 apps on it I actually use [15:44] the 4.3 update caused a cache bug to my Nexus 4 that made 'Android OS' take up over 33% battery whilst on, dropping a 3 day runtime to 1.5 [15:44] so i kind of like the idea of clean installs even on phones now >_< [15:44] when i set up smartphones for clients, i apply all updates then factory reset before first configure [15:45] daftykins: I had that bug today with "Google Play Services", turning phone off & on fixed it for me [15:45] interesting [15:46] daftykins: but that's a Nexus 5 [15:50] boom, done [15:50] popey: with or without wipe? [15:51] just ran flash-all [15:51] sending 'system' (611878 KB)... [15:51] wheee [15:51] ok, so you wiped it. Fair enough :) [15:52] i only use it as my second screen running irssinotifier and tune in radio [15:52] Not as an Ubuntu test platform? [15:55] not that one [15:55] i have two [15:56] plus we didnt focus much on tablets last cycle, but will this one [15:56] so will probably switch it later [15:59] wow, takes ages [16:00] popey: what are the odds of it working on the tesco hudl? [16:00] so when i said "done" [16:00] none whatsoever === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:02] is there a default username and password for machines made in juju? [16:03] don't you do 'juju ssh'? [16:05] I didn't think of that [16:05] Laney: that worked, thanks [16:16] Azelphur, http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/index.asp :D [16:19] directhex: I'm missing something - is it's only clame to being a good bitcoin box a sensible number of PCIe slots? [16:20] (and a dehumidifier mode?!) [16:20] penguin42, yes. [16:21] >_< [16:21]