valorieRiddell: how about linking to http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com/2013/10/kubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html for the wire?00:14
valoriesgclark: our biggest need, besides what you said on the list, is our installation section, which is stopped cold for lack of someone with enough knowledge to write it00:16
valorieRiddell: another good one is http://techlorebyigor.blogspot.com/2013/10/kubuntu-1310-is-for-keeps.html00:16
sgclarkvalorie: ok, I wuill take a look00:23
valorieaaron commented out the link to it in the main docs00:24
valoriebut the link is still there00:25
valoriein the source00:25
* valorie has not been very active in writing and editing since the release00:25
sgclarkvalorie: sorry, I have looked at the source for all that I can see and not seeing any installation except standalone packages01:03
yottabitsorry to x-post, but i think the question is more appropriate here01:40
yottabitthe patch should already be in the .deb files, right?01:41
ScottKyottabit: You probably want #ubuntu-kernel.02:56
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soeegood morning07:19
lordievaderGood morning.07:30
jussihrm.... interesting... http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html07:43
lordievaderjussi: Wow 45 bytes. That is pretty neat.07:51
jussilordievader: yeah, now thats optimisation :D07:57
lordievaderExtreme optimisation.08:00
Peace-hey guys why installing opencv-dev then i got even this nvidia-319-updates ?08:35
Peace-i was compiling ffmpeg and i wanted to test libopencv library for compilation but let me understand why it install nvidia stuff ? 08:37
Peace-then i got this 08:37
Peace-ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.12.0-999-generic is not supported08:37
Peace-Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.12.0-999-generic (x86_64)08:37
Peace-Consult /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-319-updates/319.60/build/make.log for more information.08:37
Peace-apachelogger: are you there ?09:05
Peace-apachelogger: i need to ask you something about phonon 09:05
shadeslayerPeace-: please ask the X people10:26
shadeslayerdoes anyone have a mirror of MoDaX's copyright-helper script?10:27
Riddellvalorie: do you want an account on kubuntu wire?10:28
shadeslayerThoughts on naming the libkomparediff2 package? lintian says W: libkomparediff2: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkomparediff2-410:29
shadeslayerif I just use libkomparediff210:29
Riddellshadeslayer: has the soname changed?10:30
Riddellor is it a new lib?10:30
shadeslayerRiddell: new lib10:30
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/10:31
Riddellshadeslayer: libkomparediff2-4 is probably right then, I take it the file is called libkomparediff2.so.4 ?10:32
shadeslayerso libkomparediff2-4 is a valid package name?10:32
Riddellshadeslayer: yep10:32
shadeslayerand the dev package would be libkomparediff2-4-dev ?10:33
Riddellshadeslayer: no need to have the soname in the dev, just libkomparediff2-dev10:34
shadeslayerI see10:34
apacheloggerPeace-: what's up?10:35
Riddellshadeslayer: "major customizations" also known as KDE :)10:35
Riddellshadeslayer: want to put that as the first post on kubuntu wire or shall I?10:38
shadeslayerGo ahead10:38
shadeslayerwhat's the URL ?10:38
shadeslayerthough why do we need something separate from Planet ubuntu10:40
Riddellshadeslayer: I'll subscribe it to planet ubuntu and planet kde10:42
Riddellit could be used to post the sort of links valorie pasted last night, reviews of kubuntu etc10:43
Riddellit might not work, just an experiment10:43
jussioooh, someone listened to me!!! :ED10:51
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Riddellsgclark: hi!11:33
Riddellanyoe taking part in UDS sessions today? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/2013-11-19/11:38
shadeslayermmmm bad bad timing11:47
Riddellshadeslayer: what is?11:48
shadeslayer^^ Dinner time for me11:48
RiddellScottK should be able to go to that11:48
shadeslayerand I'll be super sleepy11:48
Riddelldelay your dinner?11:48
shadeslayeror pre pone it, sure11:48
shadeslayerI can attend http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21981/community-1311-quality-defining-workflows/11:49
shadeslayernothing else seems to be of particular interest to us today11:50
Peace-apachelogger:i have modified a little tooltipmanager.cpp on dolphin to make a video audio preview in this way .... https://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/somescripts/ffplaykpreview/tooltipmanager.cpp?spec=svn3a23a62550aa7e545fe4ada4a5e1413f1a9a3575&r=3a23a62550aa7e545fe4ada4a5e1413f1a9a3575  listen do you know how to do this stuff with phonon instead ? 11:51
Peace-apachelogger:  but it plays video ?11:53
Peace-apachelogger: i mean this stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZSnQb3BAeM11:53
shadeslayerRiddell: nothing else in UDS seems to be of interest11:53
apacheloggerPeace-: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/phonon/class_phonon_1_1_video_player.html11:54
Peace-apachelogger: mm i could spend sometime in that page right but if you have time ... :D11:55
apacheloggertime for what? I am not writing the code for you :P11:56
Peace-apachelogger: anyway tx for the info11:56
Peace-apachelogger: hahah i knew it :P11:56
Peace-apachelogger: another thing ... i was compiling ffmpeg and i have done this ....  opencv-dev  it install even this package  nvidia-319-updates  , now i have an ati and you get fucked up because opengl doesn't work then with radeon and if i am not wrong it's nvidia-319-updates  that creates the problem 12:00
Peace-is that normal ?12:00
Peace-i mean that installing libopencv.dev you get nvidia stuff?12:00
apacheloggerI know that the binary blob drivers divert the libopengl to an own implementation12:01
apacheloggerwhich is not compatible with one another12:01
apacheloggerPeace-: dunno about the installing, seems a bit silly though12:01
Peace-anyway on configure , ffmpeg you get   --enable-libopencv       enable video filtering via libopencv [no]12:03
BluesKajHey all12:26
ScottKDoes anyone know if there's a minimum Qt5 version needed for KF5 stuff we might target this cycle?12:57
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lordievaderGood afternoon.13:19
shadeslayerScottK: 5.213:23
Peace-btw this works on kde 4.11.2 OpenDocument Thumbnail plugin13:31
Peace-isn't the package on kubutnu ?13:31
ronnocPeace-: If not, you could package it :)13:33
Peace-i could yes13:34
Peace-but i am not an ufficial dev of kubutnu 13:34
ronnocShows available here for current release: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/kde-thumbnailer-openoffice13:35
jussiPeace-: since when did you need to be an official dev to package stuff?13:36
Peace-jussi: i imaged that you can only package if you are a member of kububuntu team 13:37
jussiPeace-: no, anything you do will be reviewed by them, but the actual work can be done by anyone. How do you think those people got to be on the team?13:37
Peace-i dunno really your stuff 13:38
Peace-i thought that was in that  way 13:38
* Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=63 How Munich Rejected Steve Ballmer and Kicked Microsoft out of the City 13:38
mamarleyHaha, the KDE 2.x screenshot :)13:40
mamarleyOr is that earlier 3.x?13:40
* mamarley didn't use it back then and therefore doesn't know for sure.13:40
Riddellapachelogger: added you on https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2013/11/de/Munich13:41
Peace-it seems kde 2 13:42
Peace-ronnoc: tx man it was there 13:43
shadeslayeryofel: 4.11.3 seems to have built in ninjas?13:45
jussiright, Im out. laters all. 13:45
yofelshadeslayer: right.. raring should be copied. It's not tested but should work fine. Precise had some build failure that I never get to fixing. Could you maybe look at it?13:46
shadeslayeryofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy < doesn't look like all the packages?13:46
shadeslayermaybe it's just me ...13:46
yofelhm, ninjas doesn't have more though?13:47
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shadeslayeryofel: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~/stable/4.11.3/src$ ls -l | wc -l13:50
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy < 5613:51
ronnocPeace-: :)13:55
Peace-it's that has changed name 13:56
Peace-and so i was not to able to find it xD13:56
Peace-no it's that i am blind xD13:57
Peace-apt-cache search thumbnailer | grep -i kde   give the openoffice too 13:57
Peace-too bad :D13:57
shadeslayeryofel: so yeah, I think stuff is missing13:58
yofelshadeslayer: you do know that our scripts have a diff check?14:02
shadeslayerI am not sure I follow14:04
yofelif pkg(4.11.2) == pkg(4.11.3) then no update14:04
yofelso we had 55 differences14:04
shadeslayerI keep forgetting that :/14:05
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^ Since 4.11.3 is done for saucy, maybe you could do the SRU upload for it?14:08
shadeslayerlibkomparediff2 packaged14:13
soee4.12 beta ready ? :)14:39
shadeslayerIMHO Major work is done, the trivial stuff to do is left http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html14:49
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_work
ovidiu-florinCan we do something to detect slow computers and alter the System Settings to better suit them?15:05
ovidiu-florinmany people give up on kubuntu because they think it's slow (one their crappy computer)15:05
ovidiu-florincan I write a script that detects system hardware and alters the KDE settings acordingly?15:06
sgclarkseems to me it should be possible, and good idea. kinda like gnome fallback mode15:07
ovidiu-florinI don't know about that15:08
ovidiu-florinbut there are a few settings that can be changed to make KDE faster15:08
ovidiu-florinis a python script ok for this?15:08
ovidiu-florinI say this suspecting that settings are stored in text files15:38
shadeslayerhow do you plan on detecting if a system is slow?15:40
ovidiu-florinsingle core CPU and under 2 GB of RAM15:41
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shadeslayeryofel: care to look at kdepim-runtime? it builds fine in a pbuilder but fails on Launchpad17:05
shadeslayer trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/akonadi2xml', which is also in package kdepim-runtime 4:4.11.2-0ubuntu217:05
shadeslayermy log http://paste.kde.org/p6c3bab3917:05
shadeslayerRiddell: Ideas on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/522272717:13
shadeslayerbecause I /think/ I've properly Break/Replace'd it17:14
Riddellwhat's epoched?17:18
Riddelloh you missed the 4: epoch?17:18
Riddellthat won't work :)17:18
shadeslayeryeah, I have no clue how I missed that :/17:19
shadeslayerseem to doing that alot of that lately17:19
shadeslayeralso, fixed in ninjas17:19
Riddelleasily done17:23
* genii makes more coffee and slides shadeslayer a large mug17:39
shadeslayermmm coffee17:39
* yofel wonders what's up with his virtuoso db that kills it17:50
yofelseveral times a day it gets stuck with 100%CPU and freezes anything that uses nepomuk (i.e. most of kde) until I SIGKILL it :(17:51
shadeslayeryofel: thoughts on where to put usr/lib/libakonadi-xml.so.4.12.017:59
yofellibakonadi-xml4 ?18:00
yofelif it has an SONAME18:00
shadeslayerno such package, so have to make a new one18:00
shadeslayerkdepimlibs is still screwed18:00
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ovidiu-florinshadeslayer: is that a bad way to determine if a computer has low specs?19:30
lordievaderovidiu-florin: You might use sysbench for this. Shortbenchmark to measure the performance of the cpu.19:33
ovidiu-florinlordievader: this adds aditional software to the ISO19:37
ovidiu-florinI proposed a python script because it's light and small19:37
lordievaderovidiu-florin: True. How are you going to determine the low spec?19:39
ovidiu-florinI was thinking of something simple: if the CPU has only one core and it's frequency is below 3 Ghz, the RAM is below 2 GB and the Video board has less than 256 MB RAM.19:41
lordievaderovidiu-florin: Sounds simple enough ;)19:42
ovidiu-florinthe problem will be what and how to change the default settings19:43
=== rdieter_work is now known as rdieter
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_work
ScottKshadeslayer: Thanks.20:56
Sick_RimmitI notice in the Docs on Testing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction It suggests using Rsync. Is there any reason we are not advising folks to use Testdrive ?21:03
lordievaderSick_Rimmit: Zsync is usually used to download images. Especially for the alpha/beta/RC iso's, zscync will only download the changed bits of the iso :)21:05
yofelrsync does the same, just without compression by default21:06
yofelIMO recommending testdrive makes sense21:06
Sick_Rimmitlordievader: OK.. just wondering whether it would benefit noobs like me if we presented Testdrive in the Wiki first, perhaps leaving the Rsync stuff as a Other ideas section21:07
NoskcajMind if i merge libqtgtl 0.9.3 from upstream?21:17
RiddellScottK: what's the gossip?21:33
ScottKUbuntu Touch wants Qt 5.2 for trusty and so does KF5, so it's all good.21:33
RiddellScottK: yeah want 5.2 but wouldn't be dead if it didn't happen is about right, we want the latest and greatest for KF521:34
ScottKTurns out they're after the same, so no worries.21:34
RiddellScottK: any other issues?  did you tut about packaging private headers or not sending patches upstream?21:34
ScottKI'd like to have some kind of patch tracker we share with them so we can keep track of what's upstreamed already and not.21:34
ScottKI actually screwed up the TZ math and missed it, but based on what I put in the blueprinted, slangasek did a great job voicing our concerns.21:35
ScottKRiddell: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21986/core-1311-qt5-versions-in-ubuntu/21:36
ScottKBack later.21:36
ovidiu-florindoes anyone else have a better idea on how to detect the total video memory? here is my script so far: http://owncloud.geekaliens.com/public.php?service=files&t=d1e83e58d8e63c0fdbdb0f9c1ae0a01621:48
yofelrather than figuring out what's a "low spec" system - what would you do to reduce the load? We already had kubuntu-low-fat-settings and it was removed because the end result wasn't that great21:51
ovidiu-florinyofel: first of all System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced -> Keep window thumbnails -> Never21:53
ovidiu-florinI saw major speed improvments when doing this21:53
ovidiu-florinalso disable all effects21:53
ovidiu-florinthis is the first thing I do myself21:54
yofelthat can end up being rather ugly - and disabling blur causes redability issues with the default plasma theme21:55
ovidiu-florinafter that, disable nepomuk ( I don't like this, but if it's necessary, I'll do it)21:55
ovidiu-florinthen disable just some effects21:55
yofelnepomuk does practically nothing on a clean system21:55
yofelsure, it gets heavy over time, but kde without nepomuk ranges from "no fun" to "pain"21:56
ovidiu-florinthere are also some interesting things here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Speeding_up_KDE21:56
Blizzzyofel: i also switched of Nepomuk, it's horrible21:56
yofelsure, you can turn it off. And I've got issues with it all the time, but without it kmail is plain annoying21:57
ovidiu-florinI agree21:57
ovidiu-florinthat's why I'd rather not turn it off21:57
Blizzzyofel: with or without nepomuk, it is horrible too, most unfortunately :-/21:58
yofelwell, it's usable, kinda21:58
Blizzzno, it's not21:58
Blizzzi really tried21:58
Blizzzreally really tried21:58
Blizzzfolder contents are incomplete,  takes  ages to load, calendar and contacts (caldav and carddav) disappearing all the time, nepomuk feeder goes nuts 22:02
Blizzzwithout all this, my battery life time is doubled!22:02
Blizzzoh, when the calendar is there half of the time you cannot edit it22:03
Blizzzthat's far from usable22:03
apacheloggerRiddell: thank you22:37
Riddellapachelogger: you're welcome.  what for?22:43
apacheloggerRiddell: adding me to the wiki22:43
Riddelloh cool, do double check I got the details right22:43
apacheloggerI totally followed your details :P22:44
apacheloggergoing to arrive friday, leaving sunday evening :P22:44
Riddellyay, dr who nerd out on saturday!22:44
ovidiu-florinRiddell: what?22:48
Riddellovidiu-florin: dr who 50th anniversary on saturday evening!22:48
Riddellit's going to be awesome!22:48
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: was the qt uds thing yet?22:48
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I'm guessing that's a show/movie22:48
* ovidiu-florin hasn't googled that yet22:50
apacheloggersomehow I am behind on every todo list I have in every project I work on22:50
Riddellovidiu-florin: it's only the most popular and awesome tv show ever!22:51
ovidiu-florinI know what Dr. Who is22:51
ovidiu-florinbut I don't know about the aniversary22:51
ovidiu-florinwhat's going to happen then22:51
Riddellthere will be a forgotten War Doctor!22:52
* sgclark agrees22:52
apachelogger^ surprising it doesn't happen more often what with time travael and everything22:52
macoovidiu-florin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo here, this takes place after the 1996 movie and is the prequel to the anniversary special22:52
macoit takes place during the Time War22:52
apachelogger*TIME WAR*22:53
ovidiu-florinwhat did I just watch?23:00
apacheloggerWhat is porn?23:00
macoif what i linked, then you watched Paul McGann, the 8th Doctor from the 1996 movie, regenerate into the Doctor from the Time War, aka the War Doctor23:01
ahoneybunRiddell, I got tickets for it on the 25th in 3D23:01
macoRiddell: i thought it was sunday evening23:01
Riddellahoneybun: awesome, take some device to follow the buzz in here while you're there :)23:04
apacheloggerahoneybun: bad move, you better avoid all the internetz until then :P23:04
ahoneybunof course I'll have my HTC One23:05
apacheloggerit's hard enough to not get spoilered if you watch a regular episode one day after it aired23:05
Riddellmaco: sat 23rd! you mean you havn't got your cinema ticket yet?23:05
ovidiu-florinhow do I update the changelog?23:10
yofelovidiu-florin: dch23:11
ovidiu-florinyofel: ^23:11
yofelrun 'dch'23:11
yofelshort for 'debchange', easy tool for editing debian/changelog23:11
macoRiddell: here most of the cinemas are doing it monday the 25th, with a few doing it sunday the 24th, and it's on the tv on the 24th23:12
Riddellmaco: it should be simaltanious! that's the whole awesomeness of it23:13
Riddelllook at all these cinemas http://www.doctorwho.tv/watch-the-day-of-the-doctor/23:14
ovidiu-florinyofel: and what do I write in it, I don't understand the syntax23:14
ovidiu-florinI see the first term has to define what I did23:15
Riddellsgclark: so you want to help out Kubuntu?23:15
ovidiu-florinI deleted a line from debian/knavalbattle.install23:15
yofelthen either write 'update knavalbattle.install', or better something like '* Remove old icon file from knavalbattle.install'23:16
yofelor whatever it was you removed23:16
yofeljust so someone else knows what you did23:16
sgclarkriddell: yes that is the plan23:17
Riddellsgclark: great, welcome in23:17
sgclarkriddell: thanks!23:17
Riddellsgclark: there's plenty of tasks that need help, like improving or completing our docs or moving the docs to a wiki with translation support (what does KDE use?) or updating stuff like the feature tour on the website or stuff like packaging or bug squishing23:18
yofelovidiu-florin: for the complete syntax definition see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog23:18
yofelovidiu-florin: although dch does a lot of the metadata editing (like timestamp udpates, name and email, etc.)23:19
yofelovidiu-florin: I would recommend looking over the full policy eventually as it explains a lot about how the debian/ folder works23:20
sgclarkriddell: starting with docs / ultimate goal is to learn bug squishing23:21
sgclarkriddell: media wiki I believe (for kde)23:22
Riddellsgclark: do you do kde docs in a wiki or in docbook?23:22
sgclarkriddell: docbook23:23
sgclarkriddell: I am planning on transferring that work to the wiki23:23
sgclarkriddell: then link kubuntu docs to that work where appropriate23:24
Riddellsgclark: and the wiki has built in translation support?23:24
sgclarkriddell: theirs does yes23:24
Riddellsgclark: and presumably it also has built in docbook export?23:25
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1071453] Dolphin doesn't store samba share password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1071453 (by Pascal Korz)23:25
sgclarkriddell: no someone made a script. I have not tried it yet though23:25
sgclarkriddell depending if my workload gets to high I will certainly be trying it haha23:26
Riddellsgclark: do you recon you could look at moving the Kubuntu docs onto the KDE wiki and getting it translated and exported to docbook for us?  (feel free to say no we just need someone to do it and you sound like a good candidate)23:28
sgclarkriddell, I am thinking I can give it a shot in a sandbox type environment23:29
Riddellthat would be a good start23:31
RiddellI can't imagine it's too hard if KDE has it all set up we just piggy back on their setup23:31
sgclarkyeah, if it works the way I think it does, I have done all my work in docbook so I am not a wiki expert at all23:32
sgclarkI am a very fast learner though, so that is not an issue, just the translation mechanics I am unsure of23:33
sgclarkahh well ok, no humans do the translations23:38
sgclark*corrects wording* humans translate the pages23:39
Riddellyes of course23:42
Riddellmachine translations are rubbish23:42
Riddellbut extracting the paragraphs and sending them to translators and taking them back is hard23:42
sgclarkLet me see if I can get an answer from kde folks.23:44
sgclarkI will get back to you. but it seems like it should be able to be done23:45
Riddellsgclark: lovely :)23:48
sgclarkno response, will keep trying and get with you when I have an answer23:56
ovidiu-florinyofel: here are the instructions I've gotten from shadeslayer and you http://owncloud.geekaliens.com/public.php?service=files&t=a7d3f89f5671ff609bead449a79876c2 . I don't understand, after I've runned pdebuild did the package install ?23:56
ovidiu-florinor did it just build?23:56
ovidiu-florinyofel: pdebuild (line 50)23:58
yofelit only builds and puts the debs in the result folder23:59
ovidiu-florinon the host?23:59

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