=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/appdev-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1.html === sun is now known as Guest72421 === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | App Developer Roundtable Tues | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22019/app-developer-roundtable-tues/ [14:59] * nik90 waves to WebbyIT and iBelieve [15:00] hey guys, getting the hangout setup [15:00] I'll follow first 20-30 minutes, then I'll go to climb in gym :) nik90 [15:01] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en if anybody wants to join the hangout [15:03] WebbyIT: ah okay [15:04] can you guys see the hangout vide? [15:04] video* [15:04] I can see you guys now [15:04] yeah [15:04] I can see you, mhall119 [15:04] @mhall119 [15:04] I see you [15:05] feel free to join in [15:05] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en [15:05] oh man there is lag :D [15:05] we see you [15:05] mhall119: you look spooky (a bit dark and the light from one side) [15:14] any questions from you guys here? [15:15] there's also a qtcreator part adressed in the html5 session, to simplify the path to creating html5 apps [15:16] dbarth: want to join the hangout? [15:17] I realise that qml is the focus for the phone and for use in the converged os - are there any plans to allow (even if it's not the recommended way) for python + gtk apps on the phone and the converged os, or not really? [15:19] * beuno answers and waits for the video to reach guest-8g62ff [15:20] nik90: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21991/core-1311-cross-compilation/ [15:21] mhall119, aren't I supposed to be able to hop into the hangouts from a button? [15:22] rickspencer3: supposed do, did you refresh the page? [15:22] yeah [15:22] rickspencer3, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en [15:22] mhall119, where is the button supposed to be? [15:22] rickspencer3: above the video [15:27] rickspencer3: tracking for one month is not enough. You need to take different things into account (like the position of the moon ;)) [15:28] t1mp, yeah, well ... [15:28] er [15:28] yeah [15:28] I wasn't going to go there, though [15:34] the review tools should just run when you build the package and issue warnings [15:34] Hello there I am new to all this. But a co-worker of mine told me about this. I am thinking about making a screen casting tool. but am kinda lost. Is there any command line tool that don't need X to screencast ? thanks for your time . (like ffmpeg or something like that) [15:35] like when you hook lintian to debuild [15:35] XlrTwoDmx: are you talking about doing this as a desktop app or a mobile app? [15:36] mhall119: both using the sdk [15:36] mhall119: confused about the mir part. [15:36] XlrTwoDmx: I'll answer in the video in one minute [15:37] thanks mhall119 [15:40] XlrTwoDmx: tvoss in #ubuntu-mir, as rickspencer3 suggested [15:40] so ffmpeg is out of the question ? thanks for the answers all [15:41] XlrTwoDmx, well, you can install ffmpeg manually [15:41] XlrTwoDmx: I think so yes, but tvoss would know more [15:41] with sudo [15:41] but that'll be developer mode [15:41] which may be fine for your use case [15:42] rickspencer3: who said I am a "He" [15:42] :P [15:42] XlrTwoDmx: it used to be proper English grammer to default to masculine pronouns when the actual gender of a person was unknown [15:42] at least that's what I was taught [15:43] but, like two-spaces after a period, that seems to be out of favor these days [15:46] this should have a short explanatory article on dev.u.com probably with example app(s) [15:46] kyleN: the u1db stuff? [15:47] yes, app local storage (not html localStorage) [15:47] yes [15:48] of course. [15:48] :) [15:48] mhall119, you know that I believe the IA needs to support add hoc articles in a domain scope [15:48] mhall119, 2 spaces after a period is a waste of white space :) [15:48] there are lots of such topics that deserve short articles [15:49] kenvandine: I know we have a national shortage of white space [15:49] :) [15:49] mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uonedb-qt/u1db-qt/trunk/files/head:/examples/u1db-qt-example-1/ [15:50] kyleN, something like the blog post from rickspencer3 yesterday, it would be great to have something like that on the site [15:51] mhall119, ^^ [15:51] kenvandine: that what we were talking about [15:51] the same issue exists in html. the api docs I wrote show the normative declarations for each type, but we also need discussions and exampels [15:51] not just docs on how to use it, but showing the alternatives and which work best for which scenario [15:51] kenvandine, can you give the link to that awesome blogpost? ;) [15:51] sorry, i jumped in late :) [15:53] http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-use-local-data-in-ubuntu-qml-apps/1194 [15:53] any final questions from the channel? [15:54] thanks everyone [15:55] Is there any way to install the emulator that you are talking about before ? [15:55] cheers === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | Improving the content of App Developer Cookbooks | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22023/appdev-1311-better-cookbooks/ [16:04] will be a minute, helping someone with another session [16:04] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpij41os211f64am6rv0lf34?authuser=1&hl=en for anybody who wants to join the hangout [16:07] asomething: joining this one? [16:07] * sidnei waves to Chipaca over the interwebs [16:07] blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-push-notifications [16:07] mhall119, sure [16:07] agh [16:07] Chipaca: #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 [16:09] http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/cookbook/ [16:10] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntudeveloperportal/askubuntu-scripts/files [16:13] nice work so far! [16:15] is there a defined set of tags so people know how to use them to get stuff into a cookbook? [16:16] Maybe we need a community role of "cookbook moderator" [16:17] If there were a "cookbook moderator" for each major topic (html5 qml etc) and [16:17] if we had a published list of tags taht cookbook moderators look at [16:17] kyleN: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpij41os211f64am6rv0lf34?authuser=1&hl=en if you want to join [16:18] joinging [16:30] http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/cookbook/ [16:31] http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/cookbook/ [16:34] http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/qml+application-development [16:39] kyleN: +1 feels like editing the content means both the static content on u.d.c but askubuntu is also a very important of it [16:39] part of it [16:40] or maybe this is an email process to someone who has the rights to the scripts to get started [16:40] instead of coding that on the web server [16:40] mhall119: ^^ [16:41] cause the number of "privileged editing on askubuntu" may not require a full blown tool like that [16:46] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-better-cookbooks [16:48] mhall119: ok [16:48] sounds good [16:48] (measuring the lag) [16:48] mhall119: it does yes, thanks [16:49] oh i'm there sure, maybe we can do a quick recap in the html5 session later today [16:49] as documentation (and so the cookbook) is one of the topics [16:49] ok === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/appdev-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | Expanding the API Website | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22025/appdev-1311-expanding-api-website/ [18:04] if anybody wants to join the hangout for this session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpikvngov5scpk9s1ofsuqbk?authuser=1&hl=en [18:04] it's not live yet, but will be in a couple minutes [18:06] kyleN: you want to join this one too? [18:06] mhall119, sure [18:06] mhall119, got hanggout link? [18:06] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpikvngov5scpk9s1ofsuqbk?authuser=1&hl=en [18:07] going live now [18:07] let me know when folks cna see us [18:08] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-expanding-api-website [18:10] mhall119: you are muted [18:10] Hi daker [18:11] kyleN: hi [18:11] mhall119: YOU ARE MUTED! [18:16] kyleN: nice! [18:23] http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/ [18:33] mhall119, this is what I have: http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/ [18:55] * dbarth waves ;) [18:55] mhall119: sure [18:55] thanks daker [18:56] o/ [18:56] hey mhall119, can you hook us up for the next one? [18:59] daker: hey btw, you coming onto the hangout as well? === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Track: App Development | SDK for HTML5 app deverlopers | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22073/appdev-1311-html5-sdk/ [19:01] dbarth: sure [19:02] dbarth, daker told me that he was not able to attend ... only on irc [19:02] dbarth: alex-abreu: kyleN: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjqbpmh3t1omhiu0ugtuh0o?authuser=1&hl=en [19:02] hi alex-abreu :) looking forward to this session! [19:02] karni, hop in! [19:03] hangout link is above ^^ [19:06] slides: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1Pq1q-vl0t-mcy-hFhl_c5GK-R_aV75kKA6OCW_AjDcA/edit#slide=id.p [19:07] let's get this echo sorted :) [19:07] let's not continue before its fixed :) [19:07] you have the session browser in the browser [19:07] please mute yourselves [19:07] and make sure the session is closed [19:07] in your browser [19:08] That was my fault, sorry [19:08] *I* had it open. I apologize guys. [19:08] dbarth: mhall119: the slides are just small, not taking the whole video [19:09] Sorry David :) [19:09] robruds_: better? [19:09] mhall119: perfect ;-) [19:16] if anybody in the channel has questions or comments on these slides, go ahead and start asking [19:33] qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu [19:41] +1 on that suggestion, single template [19:43] someone is echoing. [19:43] yes, minor echo [19:43] kyleN, need to mute [19:44] dpm: mute kyleN ☻ [19:45] popey, thanks for the heads up, alex-abreu took care of it :) [19:45] :) [19:52] yes qtc work is not hard [19:56] dbarth, -1 on that, need to discuss [19:57] dbarth, I thought cordova was moving away from that? [19:57] alex-abreu, ^^ [19:57] pmcgowan: +1, rased that in the notes [19:58] hrm [19:58] pmcgowan: you feel we should keep 2.8 or ship 3.x in the next image? [19:59] dbarth, not sure, whichever most apps are based on? [19:59] pmcgowan, many apps are still 2.x [19:59] I suspect yes [19:59] and between 2.8 & 3.x the API level doesn't change much === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/appdev-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/19/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1.html [20:00] alex-abreu: I don't fully understand the choice to bundle the cordova API. This is because 3.x point releases will be specific? Not compatible? I mean, this will increase the app side, right? [20:00] I thought it was an advantage that our platform provided a single runtime [20:01] pmcgowan: 2.8/9 i think [20:01] karni, it is ... [20:01] karni, the trick is that for 3.x ... and in oreder for ubuntu to be part of the upstream official platforms w/ the set of tools (and that [20:01] 's the bit that has changed significantly) [20:02] we have to match their flow [20:02] alex-abreu: ah, so it's an upstream matter really [20:02] alex-abreu: gotcha, thanks [20:02] e.g. the way that they handle plugins [20:02] has changed signiticantly [20:02] in terms iof workflow [20:02] they are now independant [20:02] and pulled from git repos [20:02] alex-abreu: I see, thanks for the clarification! [20:02] on demand [20:02] n [20:02] * karni nod [20:02] p [20:10] dbarth: yep [20:12] cool [20:12] well,that was a good session [20:13] thank you [20:14] see you all tomorrow [20:14] thank you all === dpm is now known as dpm-afk === alex-abreu is now known as alex-abreu|afk