[14:59]  * nik90 waves to WebbyIT and iBelieve 
[15:00] <mhall119> hey guys, getting the hangout setup
[15:00] <WebbyIT> I'll follow first 20-30 minutes, then I'll go to climb in gym :) nik90
[15:01] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en if anybody wants to join the hangout
[15:03] <nik90> WebbyIT: ah okay
[15:04] <nik90> can you guys see the hangout vide?
[15:04] <nik90> video*
[15:04] <JoshStrobl> I can see you guys now
[15:04] <WebbyIT> yeah
[15:04] <netcurli> I can see you, mhall119
[15:04] <JoshStrobl> @mhall119
[15:04] <t1mp> I see you
[15:05] <nik90> feel free to join in
[15:05] <nik90> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en
[15:05] <JoshStrobl> oh man there is lag :D
[15:05] <lucaotta> we see you
[15:05] <t1mp> mhall119: you look spooky (a bit dark and the light from one side)
[15:14] <mhall119> any questions from you guys here?
[15:15] <dbarth> there's also a qtcreator part adressed in the html5 session, to simplify the path to creating html5 apps
[15:16] <mhall119> dbarth: want to join the hangout?
[15:17] <guest-8g62ff> I realise that qml is the focus for the phone and for use in the converged os - are there any plans to allow (even if it's not the recommended way) for python + gtk apps on the phone and the converged os, or not really?
[15:19]  * beuno answers and waits for the video to reach guest-8g62ff 
[15:20] <mhall119> nik90: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21991/core-1311-cross-compilation/
[15:21] <rickspencer3> mhall119, aren't I supposed to be able to hop into the hangouts from a button?
[15:22] <mhall119> rickspencer3: supposed do, did you refresh the page?
[15:22] <rickspencer3> yeah
[15:22] <beuno> rickspencer3, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpj2uc96vkt3ohsetlufqpkc?authuser=1&hl=en
[15:22] <rickspencer3> mhall119, where is the button supposed to be?
[15:22] <mhall119> rickspencer3: above the video
[15:27] <t1mp> rickspencer3: tracking for one month is not enough. You need to take different things into account (like the position of the moon ;))
[15:28] <rickspencer3> t1mp, yeah, well ...
[15:28] <rickspencer3> er
[15:28] <rickspencer3> yeah
[15:28] <rickspencer3> I wasn't going to go there, though
[15:34] <asomething> the review tools should just run when you build the package and issue warnings
[15:34] <XlrTwoDmx> Hello there I am new to all this.  But a co-worker of mine told me about this. I am thinking about making a screen casting tool.  but am kinda lost.  Is there any command line tool that don't need X to screencast ?  thanks for your time .  (like ffmpeg or something like that)
[15:35] <asomething> like when you hook lintian to debuild
[15:35] <mhall119> XlrTwoDmx: are you talking about doing this as a desktop app or a mobile app?
[15:36] <XlrTwoDmx> mhall119: both using the sdk
[15:36] <XlrTwoDmx> mhall119: confused about the mir part.
[15:36] <mhall119> XlrTwoDmx: I'll answer in the video in one minute
[15:37] <XlrTwoDmx> thanks mhall119
[15:40] <mhall119> XlrTwoDmx: tvoss in #ubuntu-mir, as rickspencer3 suggested
[15:40] <XlrTwoDmx> so ffmpeg is out of the question ? thanks for the answers all
[15:41] <beuno> XlrTwoDmx, well, you can install ffmpeg manually
[15:41] <mhall119> XlrTwoDmx: I think so yes, but tvoss would know more
[15:41] <beuno> with sudo
[15:41] <beuno> but that'll be developer mode
[15:41] <beuno> which may be fine for your use case
[15:42] <XlrTwoDmx> rickspencer3: who said I am a "He"
[15:42] <XlrTwoDmx> :P
[15:42] <mhall119> XlrTwoDmx: it used to be proper English grammer to default to masculine pronouns when the actual gender of a person was unknown
[15:42] <mhall119> at least that's what I was taught
[15:43] <mhall119> but, like two-spaces after a period, that seems to be out of favor these days
[15:46] <kyleN> this should have a short explanatory article on dev.u.com probably with example app(s)
[15:46] <mhall119> kyleN: the u1db stuff?
[15:47] <kyleN> yes, app local storage (not html localStorage)
[15:47] <kyleN> yes
[15:48] <kyleN>  of course.
[15:48] <kyleN> :)
[15:48] <kyleN> mhall119, you know that I believe the IA needs to support add hoc articles in a domain scope
[15:48] <kenvandine> mhall119, 2 spaces after a period is a waste of white space :)
[15:48] <kyleN> there are lots of such topics that deserve short articles
[15:49] <mhall119> kenvandine: I know we have a national shortage of white space
[15:49] <kenvandine> :)
[15:49] <nik90> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uonedb-qt/u1db-qt/trunk/files/head:/examples/u1db-qt-example-1/
[15:50] <kenvandine> kyleN, something like the blog post from rickspencer3 yesterday, it would be great to have something like that on the site
[15:51] <kenvandine> mhall119, ^^
[15:51] <mhall119> kenvandine: that what we were talking about
[15:51] <kyleN> the same issue exists in html. the api docs I wrote show the normative declarations for each type, but we also need discussions and exampels
[15:51] <kenvandine> not just docs on how to use it, but showing the alternatives and which work best for which scenario
[15:51] <kyleN> kenvandine, can you give the link to that awesome blogpost? ;)
[15:51] <kenvandine> sorry, i jumped in late :)
[15:53] <kenvandine> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-use-local-data-in-ubuntu-qml-apps/1194
[15:53] <mhall119> any final questions from the channel?
[15:54] <mhall119> thanks everyone
[15:55] <XlrTwoDmx> Is there any way to install the emulator that you are talking about before ?
[15:55] <kyleN> cheers
[16:04] <mhall119> will be a minute, helping someone with another session
[16:04] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpij41os211f64am6rv0lf34?authuser=1&hl=en for anybody who wants to join the hangout
[16:07] <mhall119> asomething: joining this one?
[16:07]  * sidnei waves to Chipaca over the interwebs
[16:07] <Chipaca> blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1311-push-notifications
[16:07] <asomething> mhall119, sure
[16:07] <Chipaca> agh
[16:07] <mhall119> Chipaca: #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2
[16:09] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/cookbook/
[16:10] <mhall119> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntudeveloperportal/askubuntu-scripts/files
[16:13] <kyleN> nice work so far!
[16:15] <kyleN> is there a defined set of tags so people know how to use them to get stuff into a cookbook?
[16:16] <kyleN> Maybe we need a community role of "cookbook moderator"
[16:17] <kyleN> If there were a "cookbook moderator" for each major topic (html5 qml etc) and
[16:17] <kyleN> if we had a published list of tags taht cookbook moderators look at
[16:17] <mhall119> kyleN: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpij41os211f64am6rv0lf34?authuser=1&hl=en if you want to join
[16:18] <kyleN> joinging
[16:30] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/cookbook/
[16:31] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/cookbook/
[16:34] <asomething> http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/qml+application-development
[16:39] <dbarth> kyleN: +1 feels like editing the content means both the static content on u.d.c but askubuntu is also a very important of it
[16:39] <dbarth> part of it
[16:40] <dbarth> or maybe this is an email process to someone who has the rights to the scripts to get started
[16:40] <dbarth> instead of coding that on the web server
[16:40] <dbarth> mhall119: ^^
[16:41] <dbarth> cause the number of "privileged editing on askubuntu" may not require a full blown tool like that
[16:46] <mhall119> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-better-cookbooks
[16:48] <dbarth> mhall119: ok
[16:48] <dbarth> sounds good
[16:48] <dbarth> (measuring the lag)
[16:48] <dbarth> mhall119: it does yes, thanks
[16:49] <dbarth> oh i'm there sure, maybe we can do a quick recap in the html5 session later today
[16:49] <dbarth> as documentation (and so the cookbook) is one of the topics
[16:49] <mhall119> ok
[18:04] <mhall119> if anybody wants to join the hangout for this session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpikvngov5scpk9s1ofsuqbk?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:04] <mhall119> it's not live yet, but will be in a couple minutes
[18:06] <mhall119> kyleN: you want to join this one too?
[18:06] <kyleN> mhall119, sure
[18:06] <cgoldberg> mhall119, got hanggout link?
[18:06] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpikvngov5scpk9s1ofsuqbk?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:07] <mhall119> going live now
[18:07] <mhall119> let me know when folks cna see us
[18:08] <mhall119> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-expanding-api-website
[18:10] <daker> mhall119: you are muted
[18:10] <kyleN> Hi daker
[18:11] <daker> kyleN: hi
[18:11] <daker> mhall119: YOU ARE MUTED!
[18:16] <daker> kyleN: nice!
[18:23] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/
[18:33] <cgoldberg> mhall119, this is what I have: http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/
[18:55]  * dbarth waves ;)
[18:55] <daker> mhall119: sure
[18:55] <mhall119> thanks daker
[18:56] <daker> o/
[18:56] <dbarth> hey mhall119, can you hook us up for the next one?
[18:59] <dbarth> daker: hey btw, you coming onto the hangout as well?
[19:01] <mhall119> dbarth: sure
[19:02] <alex-abreu> dbarth, daker told me that he was not able to attend ... only on irc
[19:02] <mhall119> dbarth: alex-abreu: kyleN: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjqbpmh3t1omhiu0ugtuh0o?authuser=1&hl=en
[19:02] <karni> hi alex-abreu :) looking forward to this session!
[19:02] <alex-abreu> karni, hop in!
[19:03] <mhall119> hangout link is above ^^
[19:06] <mhall119> slides: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1Pq1q-vl0t-mcy-hFhl_c5GK-R_aV75kKA6OCW_AjDcA/edit#slide=id.p
[19:07] <karni> let's get this echo sorted :)
[19:07] <karni> let's not continue before its fixed :)
[19:07] <karni> you have the session browser in the browser
[19:07] <karni> please mute yourselves
[19:07] <karni> and make sure the session is closed
[19:07] <karni> in your browser
[19:08] <karni> That was my fault, sorry
[19:08] <karni> *I* had it open. I apologize guys.
[19:08] <robruds_> dbarth: mhall119: the slides are just small, not taking the whole video
[19:09] <karni> Sorry David :)
[19:09] <mhall119> robruds_: better?
[19:09] <robruds_> mhall119: perfect ;-)
[19:16] <mhall119> if anybody in the channel has questions or comments on these slides, go ahead and start asking
[19:33] <karni> qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu
[19:41] <pmcgowan> +1 on that suggestion, single template
[19:43] <popey> someone is echoing.
[19:43] <karni> yes, minor echo
[19:43] <pmcgowan> kyleN, need to mute
[19:44] <popey> dpm: mute kyleN ☻
[19:45] <dpm> popey, thanks for the heads up, alex-abreu took care of it :)
[19:45] <alex-abreu> :)
[19:52] <pmcgowan> yes qtc work is not hard
[19:56] <pmcgowan> dbarth, -1 on that, need to discuss
[19:57] <pmcgowan> dbarth, I thought cordova was moving away from that?
[19:57] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, ^^
[19:57] <karni> pmcgowan: +1, rased that in the notes
[19:58] <karni> hrm
[19:58] <dbarth> pmcgowan: you feel we should keep 2.8 or ship 3.x in the next image?
[19:59] <pmcgowan> dbarth, not sure, whichever most apps are based on?
[19:59] <alex-abreu> pmcgowan, many apps are still 2.x
[19:59] <pmcgowan> I suspect yes
[19:59] <alex-abreu> and between 2.8 & 3.x the API level doesn't change much
[20:00] <karni> alex-abreu: I don't fully understand the choice to bundle the cordova API. This is because 3.x point releases will be specific? Not compatible? I mean, this will increase the app side, right?
[20:00] <karni> I thought it was an advantage that our platform provided a single runtime
[20:01] <dbarth> pmcgowan: 2.8/9 i think
[20:01] <alex-abreu> karni, it is ...
[20:01] <alex-abreu> karni, the trick is that for 3.x ... and in oreder for ubuntu to be part of the upstream official platforms w/ the set of tools (and that
[20:01] <alex-abreu> 's the bit that has changed significantly)
[20:02] <alex-abreu> we have to match their flow
[20:02] <karni> alex-abreu: ah, so it's an upstream matter really
[20:02] <karni> alex-abreu: gotcha, thanks
[20:02] <alex-abreu> e.g. the way that they handle plugins
[20:02] <alex-abreu> has changed signiticantly
[20:02] <alex-abreu> in terms iof workflow
[20:02] <alex-abreu> they are now independant
[20:02] <alex-abreu> and pulled from git repos
[20:02] <karni> alex-abreu: I see, thanks for the clarification!
[20:02] <alex-abreu> on demand
[20:02] <alex-abreu> n
[20:02]  * karni nod
[20:02] <alex-abreu> p
[20:10] <daker> dbarth: yep
[20:12] <dbarth> cool
[20:12] <dbarth> well,that was a good session
[20:13] <daker> thank you
[20:14] <dbarth> see you all tomorrow
[20:14] <karni> thank you all