[14:53] <cjohnston> xnox: can you please op me
[14:54] <xnox> cjohnston: i have no idea how or why I have ops here.
[14:54] <cjohnston> you were the first to join
[14:54] <xnox> ah =)
[14:54]  * xnox wins
[14:54] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:55] <xnox> cjohnston: =((((((((((((
[14:55] <xnox> thanks =
[14:55] <xnox> =)
[14:58] <xnox> cjohnston: i have more op powers on a few other channels.
[14:59] <xnox> cjohnston: core1 & core2, unless i'm in the wrong channels.
[14:59] <AlanBell> xnox: you are in the wrong channels, -uds-core-1 I believe
[14:59] <cjohnston> I only see client-1
[15:02] <Vipindev> So cute to have a work with design! Love designing..
[15:03] <M3kH> but the Design Blog tread is already finish?
[15:03] <christina> hi everyone
[15:03] <christina> welcome to the design track
[15:05] <M3kH> Thanks christina
[15:06] <christina> can u guys see the broadcast?
[15:06] <christina> we might be having some problem getting connection
[15:07] <mhoosey> what broadcast?
[15:07] <mhoosey> and what connection problem?
[15:07] <christina> the youtbue video?
[15:08] <mhoosey> "Please stand by    starting soon..."
[15:08] <M3kH> indeed
[15:08] <mhoosey> And the problem?
[15:09] <mhoosey> its live says the youtube
[15:14] <M3kH> I don't ear really clearly but I can keep almost everything.
[15:15] <M3kH> yes a bit better!
[15:17] <Vipindev> What's going on? Is the link to Hangout or to the same video?
[15:19] <M3kH> what is the license of the articles and his pictures?
[15:20] <christina> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpi2j0e0v03qa5sq7ra5qp8s?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[15:23] <M3kH> can I go outside of topic a bit? How I can collaborate with bunt blog?
[15:24] <yaili_> M3kH: you mean with the design blog?
[15:24] <M3kH> yes sorry yaili_
[15:25] <yaili_> M3kH: like guest writing?
[15:26] <M3kH> like gust or a member.
[15:27] <yaili_> M3kH: if you've been working on an ubuntu design project and would like to share something about that work, we could talk about it
[15:28] <M3kH> I would like to help so why not.
[15:28] <yaili_> M3kH: have you been working on a specific design project?
[15:29] <M3kH> mhhh… yes but not for Ubuntu, almost is web.
[15:29] <slavo> I miss orange ubuntu mug in the shop..
[15:30] <M3kH> yes one question, what about did you do Interview outside of the Ubuntu comunity
[15:30] <M3kH> like design inspiration etc...?
[15:30] <M3kH> showcases?
[15:31] <M3kH> ok thanks!
[15:32] <M3kH> I goo away sorry.
[15:34] <Lord_Ankalus> QUESTION: Are you planning point out place for button "settings" for applications?
[15:34] <Vipindev> Something made this way out reaching ?
[15:34] <Lord_Ankalus> ok
[15:51] <CheeseBurg> These time differences kill me. I already missed two talks.
[16:03] <christina> hi everyone
[16:03] <christina> we are starting soon
[16:03] <christina> pls feel free to join us
[16:04] <CheeseBurg> Not sure who else is in here with me
[16:05] <christina> hi CheeseBurg thanks for joining us
[16:05] <M3kH> I'm here too!
[16:05] <CheeseBurg> christina: Been waiting for this talk for a while
[16:06] <christina> M3kH, welcome ...again :)
[16:07] <CheeseBurg> One of you need to close your browsers
[16:07] <christina> CheeseBurg, yep we worked it out now. thanks...we always forget!
[16:11] <Saviq-uds> one of you guys need to mute
[16:14] <M3kH> I ear you clear :)
[16:15] <t1mp> jounih is not here?
[16:15] <t1mp> KaleoF2: we see you instead of the slides now
[16:15] <t1mp> ok now it is good
[16:16] <christina> t1mp, all ok now?
[16:16] <t1mp> christina: yes, thanks
[16:16] <christina> t1mp, great- we'll get the hang of this ;)
[16:19] <Saviq-uds> christina: please focus the slides again, we're seeing KaleoF2
[16:20] <Saviq-uds> good now :)
[16:20] <christina> Saviq-uds, sometimes they pick up who speaks...
[16:20] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Unity 8 Desktop session be touch screen friendly with its UI. A lot of new laptops come with touchscreens like mine.
[16:21] <Saviq-uds> CheeseBurg: there's a better session for that question later (unity8-shell-discussion)
[16:21] <Saviq-uds> CheeseBurg: but yes
[16:21] <CheeseBurg> Saviq-uds: O didn't know that
[16:22] <CheeseBurg> Yea that's it
[16:22] <CheeseBurg> for now
[16:23] <t1mp> QUESTION to Florian: how is the weather there?
[16:24] <christina> t1mp, ;)
[16:24] <t1mp> to follow up on the breakfast :)
[16:24] <mzanetti> I'm curious how the tabs will work out
[16:24] <t1mp> QUESTION: Do you have ideas how to decide whether you are on a desktop or on phone?
[16:25] <ahayzen> music app \o/
[16:25] <t1mp> video just froze for me. is it just me?
[16:25] <mzanetti> t1mp: I'm afraid yes
[16:25] <t1mp> ok video is back for me
[16:25] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will apps be able to save its session when changing formats. Ex: If I am typing a message in the phone then docking the phone to a desktop, will I still be on the message screen and same message?
[16:25] <t1mp> mzanetti: what do you mean how the tabs will work out?
[16:26] <mzanetti> t1mp: from a design/usability POV. they are really cumbersome to use with the mouse right
[16:26] <mzanetti> now
[16:26] <t1mp> ah, how to do it on desktop.
[16:26] <t1mp> mzanetti: I don't really have problems with them. But perhaps the tab bar should stay active on desktop
[16:26] <christina> CheeseBurg, ur question will be next :)
[16:27] <CheeseBurg> christina:Thanks. If it is confusing, I can reword it.
[16:27] <greyback> KaleoF2: how about a stylus?
[16:28] <mzanetti> greyback: that's so 80s :P
[16:28] <greyback> mzanetti: see recent galaxy note :)
[16:28] <CheeseBurg> Yea
[16:29] <greyback> welcome :)
[16:29] <christina> keep the questions coming guys :)
[16:29] <Saviq-uds> christina: FYI, the "Join the Hangout on Air" link just points to youtube instead of being able to join the hangout
[16:29] <christina> mhall119, ^
[16:30] <christina> Saviq-uds, thanks- i will look into it for later sessions
[16:30] <christina> Saviq-uds, did u want to join?
[16:31] <mhall119> christina: sounds like the wrong url was put in the Hangout Details form fields
[16:32] <Saviq-uds> christina: when you were talking about unity8, yes ;)
[16:32] <christina> ahh sorry Saviq-uds
[16:32] <christina> mhall119, i followed the instructions...
[16:32] <greyback> QUESTION: sorry I've missed part of the session, so feel free to ignore this question if it was addressed already: responsive web design is very popular with lots of guides. Are these guides useful for application developers too?
[16:33] <christina> greyback, will ask the guys in a moment
[16:33] <greyback> christina: thanks :)
[16:34] <M3kH> QUESTION: what about for display with more the 72dpi?
[16:36] <mzanetti> M3kH: how do you mean that? the nexus devices have around 200 dpi
[16:36] <greyback> christina: question addressed, thank you
[16:36] <christina> greyback, great. you're welcome
[16:37] <M3kH> yes, but what about for imaged displayed are they blurred?
[16:37] <M3kH> images*
[16:37] <mzanetti> M3kH: ah. we can ship multiple image files and it'll be picked according to the DPI
[16:37] <mzanetti> if you only ship one, better make it big :)
[16:37] <M3kH> cool :) thanks.
[16:38] <Saviq-uds> mzanetti: not DPI, GU ;)
[16:39] <mzanetti> Saviq-uds: usually you set the GU according to the DPI...
[16:39] <KaleoF2> mzanetti: not only
[16:39] <KaleoF2> mzanetti: we take into account the distance eye-screen
[16:39] <mzanetti> yeah. true
[16:39] <christina> anymore questions for us?
[16:39] <Saviq-uds> QUESTION: when talking about "moving to SVG", are we saying we'll be rendering them directly from SVGs or have an intermediate step of generating bitmaps according to GU?
[16:39] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How will design handle multiple screens
[16:40] <CheeseBurg> I have seen some Android phones with 2 screens
[16:40] <KaleoF2> that's a question for Unity too ie. Saviq too
[16:41] <mzanetti> it's just like a desktop with 2 screens I'd say
[16:41] <christina> CheeseBurg, mzanetti yep multi screen is coming up!
[16:41] <KaleoF2> yes, though in terms of app support we don't support that yet
[16:41] <Saviq-uds> QUESTION: can you ship multiple SVGs with different set of details?
[16:41] <KaleoF2> I'm not sure about Unity8
[16:41] <mzanetti> otoh, on such devices you probably can't drag'n'drop an app from one to the other
[16:41] <CheeseBurg> christina:Cool, What is the timeline then? When can I build desktop apps with the SDK?
[16:42] <mzanetti> as the screens are not nex to each other but more frontside/backside?
[16:43] <christina> KaleoF2, dont forget CheeseBurg's question :)
[16:43] <M3kH> QUESTION: There is some JS API for Unity? Like the Webkit embedded for IOS app?
[16:43] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: When will the Desktop SDK been ready? What is the timeline?
[16:44] <greyback> We should set a Work Item to investigate the Qt SVG renderer to determine if it is good enough or not, and if not, figure out what to do next
[16:44] <CheeseBurg> Nice!
[16:44] <Saviq-uds> KaleoF2: no, no follow-up ;) just thinking that if we select the smallest higher @ svg, that would be a good way to have different detail level from SVGs
[16:44] <KaleoF2> Saviq: right that's what we do today
[16:45] <M3kH> yes I was meaning that.
[16:45] <alex-abreu> KaleoF2, M3kH we have JS API for unity (hud, ...) and will plan to expand on it durin 14.04
[16:45] <alex-abreu> KaleoF2, M3kH exposed to html5 apps (well ... to webviews basically)
[16:46] <christina> greyback, do you have a related blueprint already?#
[16:46] <M3kH> QUESTION: can we design simple widget in Unity to embed in desktop? like Plasma fopr kde?
[16:47] <greyback> christina: no actually
[16:48] <M3kH> ok thanks.
[16:48] <CheeseBurg> Thanks guys, I am out of questions.
[16:48] <Saviq-uds> M3kH: we don't even know if there's going to be a "desktop" on unity8 on your PC :)
[16:49] <KaleoF2> troll detected
[16:49] <greyback> KaleoF2: also, would we want Qt to support SVGZ (KDE has it I think)
[16:49] <Saviq-uds> me?
[16:49] <Saviq-uds> not really :)
[16:49] <greyback> Saviq-uds: what other Saviq is there?
[16:49] <christina> Saviq-uds, no escape ;)
[16:49] <Saviq-uds> I just know it doesn't render our icons correctly
[16:50] <greyback> desktop mode on a tablet?
[16:50] <greyback> christina: sorry, what is "desktop mode on a tablet" exactly? Having mouse & keyboard paired to tablet?
[16:51] <christina> greyback, ?
[16:51] <greyback> christina: jouni said it
[16:52] <M3kH> Saviq-uds, ok but plasma is a style easy to convert from the pc view to the mobile/tablet right? should be easy to implement if you can embend HTML5 inside the Unity.
[16:52] <micah2> I think having desktop mode on tablets would be super useful
[16:52] <Saviq-uds> M3kH: it's not about it being easy or not, just whether our design caters for it
[16:53] <micah2> I'm a developer who carpools to work, I'd love to be able to load the Ubuntu SDK while on a tablet in the car.
[16:53] <greyback> christina: hmm, ok, news to me. Thanks for having that answered
[16:53] <Saviq-uds> micah2: while driving!?
[16:53] <micah2> while others are driving
[16:53] <Saviq-uds> M3kH: embedding arbitrary UIs is always tricky for different reasons
[16:53] <Saviq-uds> micah2: ;)
[16:53] <M3kH> Saviq-uds:  ok :)
[16:54] <Saviq-uds> o/
[16:54] <greyback> thanks guys!
[16:54] <M3kH> Thanks all!
[16:54] <M3kH> Bye!
[16:55] <mzanetti> o/
[16:55] <M3kH> \m/
[22:30] <piter> hi everyone