[00:00] i did all my computer graphics labs on my housemate's sgi indy [00:00] in 1999 or whatever [00:02] 99 would be too early for an Indy [00:02] oh, sorry [00:02] no [00:02] I was a decade out :-) [00:02] we got the Indy when it was new in 93 [00:02] yeah, it was really out of date by then [00:03] * penguin42 has one behind him [00:03] but still roughly equal to what PCs could do, with opengl === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [06:55] morning all [07:15] oh man, dsample and I shouldn't have spent so much time considering should we participate in the doorbell crowdfunding or not [07:15] the end result was I woke up the first time at five thinking I had heard a doorbell [07:16] incidentally the fundraising is up for another hour if someone is interested http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mybells-the-smart-bells/x/5424084 [07:17] don't think it's going to meet it's goal if there is an hour left. [07:17] flexible funding [07:17] they promise to send you one even if they fail [07:17] *shrug* [07:17] ah sorry missed that bit :) [07:18] might end up not getting it but it seems like a sweet deal and certainly competetive pricing if it does [07:19] (that is, if it's not a hoax) === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:45] Morning all [08:46] morning diplio [08:46] morning diplo even [08:48] \o [08:49] allo allo === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:14] wife's hudl is dead. [09:15] That doesn't sound like a good recommendation given how new they are [09:16] I'm sorry for being inflammatory, but sparked by discussion on another channel, I MADE DIS http://imgur.com/g/memes/KGQqPAh [09:19] morning all [09:20] Myrtti: Its not cold, cool yes, but not cold, although the frozen water on my car may have disagreed with that [09:20] I'm way too pedantic for my own health [09:20] :) [09:20] every time someone complains it's freezing cold and there's still liquid water on the ground, I just go "But but but" [09:20] "three stages of matter!" [09:21] "you are wrong" [09:34] looks like wife did the same with the hudl receipt as with all other tesco receipts, i.e. bin [09:37] did you use vouchers / clubcard? [09:37] they might be able to verify your purchase with that information [09:37] is it broken? [09:38] scrolls up...yes [09:38] and even if they won't, it shouldn't be a problem as it's clearly bought from Tesco and didn't work as expected, so it's faulty. [09:38] i've used credit card bills sucessfully as proof of purchase before [09:39] so.. this discourse.ubuntu.com : where does it fit itn with ubuntu forums, ideastorm and askubuntu? [09:39] and how will the lines be segregated [09:39] ideastorm doesn't exist [09:39] askubuntu = support [09:39] discourse = discussion [09:40] Myrtti, they can. 2 days to generate new proof of purchase from clubcard records, though [09:40] forums are unrelated? [09:40] forums = ? [09:40] or is it a forum for people who don't like forums? [09:40] I do think discourse is a much better tech [09:40] forums still exist [09:40] for people who like forums [09:40] wasn't vbulletin just cracked themselves [09:40] or do I remember rumours wrong [09:41] the ubuntuforums were broken into recently, yeah [09:41] unrelated to discourse tho [09:41] morning btw [09:41] morning popey [09:42] i've seen support-ish stuff on discourse already [09:42] good morning everyone. [09:42] morning brobostigon [09:42] popey: no I mean http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/18/vbulletin_hacked/ [09:42] morning MooDoo [09:43] dunno how valid that is, the forums seem a bit mum about it http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-announcements/vbulletin-announcements_aa/4007719-regarding-claims-of-new-0-day-exploits-in-vbulletin [09:44] oh, dunno about that [09:44] there's also the G+ community and other places too [09:44] the G+ community has 120K people or so [09:44] oopening discourse just crashed X [09:44] first time openiing a webpage ever did that [09:45] mungbean: You better disclose that 0-second vulnerability. [09:47] Good morning all; happy Have a Bad Day Day! :-/ [09:48] ... [09:48] JamesTait: isn't it toilet day to day as well? [09:48] I thought it was International Men's Day or something also [09:48] MooDoo, oh, I don't know, is it? [09:49] Bad Day Day and Men's Day are more or less the same, aren't they? [09:49] JamesTait: http://www.wateraid.org/uk/get%20involved/world%20toilet%20day [09:49] world toilet day [09:49] Laney, *every* day is Mens Day. ;) [09:49] there's a thing that says don't just update your test env to prod. [09:50] because your discourse site will be full of links like test.ubuntu-discourse.org [09:50] MooDoo: World toilet day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPYO2nw4inM [09:50] test is test and prod comes from a different root [09:50] Ah, its linked on the website you posted [09:52] DJones, thank you for that. :) [09:53] And MooDoo too. [09:53] You're welcome [09:54] "my facebook avatar couldn't be displayed, but it got fixed when i upgraded my kernel" :-| [09:54] https://plus.google.com/+VantisChen/posts/KD183iRS8HQ [09:56] anyone know a good online clock to have running in a browser? [09:56] http://onlineclock.net/ is okayish [09:56] but meh [09:56] popey: what do you want from it? [09:56] maybe a chromium binary clock plugin,? :) [09:57] display time [09:57] no frippery, just clearly display the time [09:57] brobostigon: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/browser-clock/lgmfkoamldgcapaoidgjaadfcpnnmpld?hl=en ? [09:57] and must be html/js, no flash, no extensions [09:57] Good morning peeps :) [09:57] What do people around here use for socket monitoring? [09:57] popey: that could be an *offline* HTML file with a tiny bit of JS and CSS [09:58] http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=tryjs_timing_clock [09:58] bigcalm: netstat? [09:58] doesnt have to be, but i'd like to just go to a url [09:58] make your own clock.popey.com with a little script [09:58] hah [09:58] mungbean++ [09:58] not a bad idea [09:59] worldclock.popey.com, with a dropdown timezone list (ask AlanBell about time zones in JS) [09:59] MartijnVdS: wow, nice. [09:59] nah, i only want my own time for now [09:59] popey: and galactic standard time [09:59] VERY important to have that [09:59] MartijnVdS: need a little bit more than just a display of what the current state is. I need to act upon a socket no longer connected or having gone away entirely [09:59] i think that w3schools page is the winner then [10:00] and stardates, :) [10:00] bigcalm: isn't that the connecting app's responsibility? [10:00] MartijnVdS: not in this case. I have a service that ends up with stale connections but doesn't know it [10:01] MartijnVdS: the service needs re-writing, but for now I just want to monitor the current one [10:01] http://clock.popey.com/ [10:01] boom [10:01] bigcalm: should be possible to monitor that with netstat, it can tell you if a connection is "half-closed" from the other side [10:01] needs styling of course [10:01] popey: that's quick! ;) [10:02] proliant ~ $ netstat -l | grep 11960 [10:02] tcp 0 0 localhost:11960 *:* LISTEN [10:03] MartijnVdS: how do I read that? [10:03] popey: gawds, I need to make myself something like that, but specifically that reminds me what the current time is, what the time is in bst, gmt and utc [10:03] bigcalm: it means there's a socket in state "LISTEN" on port 11960 on 127.0.0.1 (TCP) [10:03] because I can never remember [10:03] MartijnVdS: but nothing has connected to it? [10:04] bigcalm: might have, might not have [10:04] bigcalm: connected sockets are further down [10:05] Humm [10:05] bigcalm: try: netstat -natup (n = no DNS lookups, a = listening and non-listening sockets, t = tcp, u = udp, p = show program name + PID of process handling stuff) [10:05] bigcalm: | less [10:06] I just connected a client on my dev system and grepped for 11960 again. It only showed the line I pasted above :S [10:06] Okay [10:06] bigcalm: you need the -a then [10:06] Aha [10:06] Yes :) [10:07] -la shows listening and established, ta :) [10:07] bigcalm: "ss" (socket stat) will also be useful [10:07] bigcalm: it's the New and Shiny replacement for netstat, apparently, like "ip" has features that encompass "ifconfig", "route" and a few other tools [10:08] bigcalm: http://www.cyberciti.biz/files/ss.html [10:09] trying to get my desk setup ready for hangouts today for vUDS [10:09] so i have a clock on screen [10:09] anyone got a minix neo x5 mini ARM device? [10:09] MartijnVdS: ta [10:09] popey: why not xclock? [10:10] mungbean: mir :P [10:10] meh [10:10] decided to go with ipad because it's a bigger screen so more visible [10:12] popey: isn't there a £5 clock app? :P [10:12] there is [10:12] I am using the free one [10:16] Maybe add GMT after the clock? [10:17] popey: use your joggler :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgglMgroVI [10:17] bigcalm: Galactic Mean Time? [10:17] hah [10:17] * popey has no jogglers [10:17] MartijnVdS: that's about right :D [10:18] I'm quite pleased with that video and the app I wrote [10:18] started that video then alt-tabbed away [10:18] was "alarmed" when it shouted "WAKE UP!" at me [10:18] Hahaha [10:19] thought I'd left a hangout running [10:19] http://idophp.co.uk/projects/touch_alarm/ [10:19] Chrome tabs now have sound indicators on them === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:20] Shame the CSS is a little off in Chromium and FireFox on my workstation for the alarm clock [10:20] http://imgur.com/YaMl9dT [10:20] that'll do [10:20] popey: I'd be interested to know how well it works on iPad [10:20] Aha [10:21] You've tided! [10:22] popey: something floating over your head [10:22] +there's [10:27] heh [10:27] the cone of clean [10:38] doh, I've started typing "sudu juju" instead of "sudo juju" [10:38] lol [10:38] stupid fingers [10:38] always pretending they know best [10:38] my mailbox is full, what do I do? sign [10:38] sigh [10:39] delete emails? [10:39] run your own mail server [10:39] use gmail? [10:39] or is this a work thing? [10:39] SuperMatt: MartijnVdS customer queries :S [10:40] MooDoo: Thunderbird has this "Archive" feature, which can archive mail locally instead of on the server [10:40] export them somewhere that is backed up [10:40] make sure you make backups though ;) [10:40] ^5 SuperMatt [10:40] SuperMatt: MartijnVdS just keep getting these questions from customers [10:41] MooDoo: isn't your mailbox several GB in size then? [10:41] MooDoo: how big are these customer questions? [10:41] SuperMatt: alias sudu=sudo ⢁) [10:41] funkyHat: alias f-ing=sudo [10:42] MartijnVdS: haha [10:42] MartijnVdS: I just need to write a script, if customer raises silly question then support reach down phone and slap = 1; [10:42] MooDoo: so THAT is what slapd is for! [10:42] There is no such thing as a silly question ⢁P [10:43] MartijnVdS: no, slapd can only store a record of who needs to be slapped ⢁( [10:43] funkyHat: it's not the daemon that does the slapping? [10:43] :( [10:43] funkyHat: your eyes seem out of whack [10:43] c⢁ [10:43] out of alignment, even [10:43] ■▎⢁D [10:43] MartijnVdS: google whack? [10:44] MooDoo: wiggity wiggity whack [10:44] (jump! jump!) [10:45] giggerty giggerty [11:41] hi guys, hav ea friend whos got an old box, Pentium4 2.6Ghz, 1GB Ram and Geforce FX5200, can he run 13.10 on that? [11:41] would unity work? [11:42] it's mostly for him to learn a bi of linux, he's a graphic designer whos spend the last 4 years doing some PHP on a light level. [11:42] so he's all Windows at the moment, [11:43] hmm, will that hardware do PAE? [11:43] maybe [11:43] only knows linux through a little hosting packages, but mostly just used filezilla sftp [11:43] :) [11:43] NET||abuse: I think it'll work, Unity hmm might [11:43] but he wants to have a local server to host development copies of his work. [11:44] well, well see [11:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [11:44] NET||abuse: I think the answer to that may be no, I've got a similar machine with 2Gb ram, but same graphics card which is running 12.04, when I've looked at upgrading it warns me about graphics not being supported, possibly thats because I'm using NVida, but certainly 12.04 works with Unity [11:44] DJones: it's probably not supported by nvidia's non-free driver, but the nouveau driver is fine these days [11:44] last night, as I was walking home, I saw an old VHS casette in the road with metres, upon metres of tape blowing in the wind [11:44] it occured to me in that moment that it was a sight I haven't seen for a decade and a half [11:44] that used to be quite common [11:45] SuperMatt: someone asked me the other week if I could get data off a floppy disk....:S [11:45] MartijnVdS: At some point when I'm bored I may try a live cd with 13.10 to see how well it copes [11:47] MooDoo: Thats wierd, I dug a laptop case out of the loft for a relative, while I was cleaning it, I found a handful of floppy disks in it with handwritten dates on them going back 10-15 years [11:47] MooDoo: up until last year I was using floppies quite regularly for bios updates [11:48] DJones: awesome. i was going to see if I could find an old disk drive until I realised they were amiga floppies :D [11:48] Hah [11:48] MooDoo: up until recently I had a USB floppy drive. Didn't work with GNU/Linux. :-( [11:48] booo [11:48] wow amigaos is still going [11:50] i can do amiga disks [11:50] there's probably less than 50% chance they still work though [11:50] ali1234: I own original Amiga Disks [11:50] XD [11:51] wow just looking at amigakit.co.uk, still seems to be going strong [11:51] i've got about 6 original copies of workbench [11:51] probably long since demagnetised though [11:51] ali1234: you can "do" amiga disks? do you have a 3.5" drive slot somewhere on your person? :) [11:52] amigakit is super expensive [11:55] Somewhere at my parents, I've got some 5 1/4" floppy disks with backups of some Chemical plant processing software I wrote about 25 years ago to run on ICL DRS-50's [11:56] DJones: thanks for that, were gonna try 13.10 and see if it works, even with nouvou [11:56] NET||abuse: Let me know how you get on, something I'm interested in [11:56] cool, will do [11:59] I don't remember the last time I used a floppy disk, but it must have been at least 5 years ago [11:59] probably more [12:00] hmm yes, even for me I think it's been a long time [12:00] bashrc: was it really floppy? or was it actually rigid? ;) [12:00] 3.5" [12:00] MartijnVdS: By real I assume you mean 8" [12:00] penguin42: I have one of those, a few boxes of 5.25" and some more boxes of 3.5" at home [12:00] nothing to read any of it with though [12:01] The 5.25" disks were quite floppy [12:01] MartijnVdS: I gave the machine with 8" to a museum a few years ago [12:01] 8" was before my time [12:01] * gordonjcp uses 3.5" floppies quite a lot, in musical equipment [12:01] bashrc: Mine mostly as well, but I got hold of a 1982 Unix machine that had an 8" floppy [12:01] I had a PDP11 that I donated to a museum with 8" floppies, 5.25" hard disks and 14" removable disk packs [12:02] there is famously an 8" floppy drive in the movie "war games" [12:02] gordonjcp: Heck that can't have been small [12:02] penguin42: not massive [12:03] penguin42: small fridge-freezer size [12:03] how much capacity did the 8" disks have. The 5.25" ones were something like 360K [12:03] 19" rack about 30U high [12:03] depends on the format [12:03] the RX02s I had were 500K [12:03] bashrc: I think they were of the same type of size - few hundred K [12:04] bashrc: 5.25" went up to 1.2MB (double side, high-density) [12:04] the RL02 disk packs were 10MB each [12:04] yes, although I remember the original single sided ones which I used on a BBC micro were about 360K [12:04] you basically could treat them like giant Zip disks [12:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#Sizes.2C_performance_and_capacity === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:06] bashrc: I think Beeb single density 40track was 100K, so 200k for 80 track, and I think 400k for double [12:06] I was probably thinking of the 400K [12:08] barely anything by today's standards, but large by the standards of the time [12:08] nod [12:25] bashrc: The DRS50 is was using was just a dumb terminal to an ICL Mainframe/Mini, I remember that having having 8" floppy drives and hard disks like these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DysanRemovableDiskPack.agr.jpg [12:26] DJones: Not this one then; https://plus.google.com/photos/+DavidAlanGilbert/albums/5492401778142755041/5492407402178145906?pid=5492407402178145906&oid=118251468822440261663 [12:27] penguin42: That might have been a bit before my time [12:28] Fitted in something similar to this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Fotothek_df_n-10_0000117.jpg ... Have to love the 1970's fashion from the workers [12:34] DJones: Because you just had to wood panel your machine room [12:35] sigh, scottish power's site is broken [12:35] penguin42: Thinking back, the room was wood panelled to waist height & the glass to the ceiling with stupid amounts of air conditioning [12:35] s/the/then/ [12:36] DJones: Well you had to put the wood where it would be able to catch if the computers smoked, mind you I hate to think what the aircon did to the wood - must have dried it out a lot === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:12] Thorium powered car :-D http://www.industrytap.com/thorium-fueled-automobile-engine-needs-refueling-once-a-century/15649 << Want [13:14] No doubt LPS will be bought out by one of the oil producers & the project "shelved" [13:15] a car powered by a nuclear reactor... what can possibly go wrong [13:17] next on Top Gear [13:17] i seem to have bought a multipack of french fries crisps [13:17] mungbean: fries or crisps? [13:17] walkers crisps called french fries [13:20] Very confusing [13:21] ali1234: I assume they'll argue that since it's only 1g or so in each car then what could possibly go wrong.... [13:22] if they could make a viable reactor fit in and power a car, it would make much more sense to use it to power your house [13:22] i can't believe there's a variant of ubuntu called...well have a look http://ubuntu.g8.net/ [13:24] mungbean: Capitalisation is important [13:24] so it seems [13:24] ali1234: I'm sure they'll just fit it under the drivers seat [13:24] so is hardware acceleration, which most of these rk* stuff doesn't have [13:25] mungbean: You mean graphics? Most of them have tone of the standard ARM gpus [13:25] specifically for the minix neo x5 [13:26] mungbean: the build for the Pi will *not* be called that [13:26] mungbean: If it's that rk then it's got a Mali 400 and a video unit on [13:27] mungbean: Whether they have it working in the non-android image is probably the bigger issue [13:27] yep, more interested in true linux on it [13:28] does anyone know of a fix for the issue with compiz? [13:28] which issue with compiz? there are hundreds [13:28] !details [13:28] Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [13:29] when clicking the search bar, search bar comes up for about 3 seconds then screen resets. version 13.10. [13:30] and then states there is an error and then goes back to original screen but unable to do much else so have to log into terminal and restart lightdm everytime [13:31] by search bar do you mean the dash? [13:31] yes thats the one [13:31] so you click the logo top left, at the top of the launcher and the dash pops up then resets [13:31] yes thats right [13:32] resets to the login screen? [13:32] i bet something in "recently used" is corrupted or something [13:32] try making a new user profile and see if it still happens [13:32] just log in as guest to test it [13:32] i've installed compizconfig-settings-manager and disabled the annimation but this doesn't do much. This is a fresh install (two fresh installs) both are the same [13:33] what video card do you have? [13:33] could be related to the graphics card, [13:33] or a particularly unusual screen resolution? [13:33] have been the same and i'm not entirely sure i'll have a look. (does this mean i'm not in luck if it's nvidea?) [13:34] doesn't look like there is an external video card [13:35] lspci in a terminal should list the card [13:35] could be that you are running nouveau - it is incredibly unstable on some cards [13:36] launchpad is down :/ [13:36] WFM [13:36] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251431 -> blank page [13:36] Ubuntu bug 1251431 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "user background gets painted over background specified in config file" [Undecided,New] [13:36] works for the bot ;) [13:36] and me [13:36] also, wfm [13:37] yeah it's working again now [13:38] think its this one: VGA compatible controller : intel corporation E7221 integrated graphics controller (rev 04) [13:40] AlanBell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad will see some people joining I expect this week [13:44] E7221 is Pentium 4 era 0o [13:45] Guest29883: did it do this in liveCD mode as well as the installed version? [13:45] daftkins: not tried the live as i need this installed on my work desktop [13:46] popey: ok, I will watch for them [13:46] ta [13:46] Guest29883: so when you booted media you just went straight to install? [13:46] i think your system is too old to work right [13:47] daftykins: yes thats right i have it installed on a laptop from 2000 which works fine but this desktop just won't work [13:49] Guest29883: i would boot into a live session just to confirm it does the same thing, then confirm that your installed version is fully updated [13:49] beyond that i have no idea, seems very old hardware [13:50] daftykins: probably is i saw the pc laying around so decided to use that. Maybe a bad idea. I think i'm just going to go with centos instead see if i get any luck with that [13:52] cor it's cold today :S [13:52] is youtube gonna ask me every time which user i will be using youtube as? [13:53] i've been having that :( where it tries to put your real name on your account? [13:53] mungbean: what do you mean? it asks? [13:53] yes [13:53] use as "mungbean" or mr.mungbean@gmail.com [13:54] so pick one [13:54] the display name [13:54] or link the accounts [13:54] DONE [13:54] it asks every time [13:54] after i login [13:54] don't delete your cookies? [13:54] i've logged from different devices a few times [13:54] i also wish i could remove GB feed from my home page permanetly [13:55] mungbean: you can, just use http://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions instead of youtube.com's default main page [13:55] mungbean: MUCH (c)leaner, shows just videos of people you've subscribed to [13:56] i use youtube feather interface [13:56] so i see no comments at all on youtube [13:56] \o/ [13:56] videos start faster too [13:56] popey: since G+, they only start loading comments once you scroll down [13:56] nice [13:56] i dont care about comments tho [13:56] so happy to never see them [13:56] There are actually good ones on the videos I watch [13:57] good comments!? that's unpossible! [13:57] i saw one once [13:57] daftykins: subscribe to better channels :) [13:57] i used to like watching Bug [13:57] The "DFTBA" (John & Hank Green) media empire (if you can call it that) has quite good comments usually [13:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgCrw9j2eQ [13:58] only subscription i have is to the feed of the guy that posted the HP Touchpad Android videos ^_^ [13:58] greentheonly? [13:58] mungbean: vlogbrothers, scishow, crashcourse [13:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgCrw9j2eQ#t=6m51s for example [13:58] the russian guy left to join the meerkat adverts [13:59] mungbean: yep! [14:00] i subscribe to LAs but i haven't listened to them for couple of years [14:00] linux action show [14:00] don't even know if its still going [14:01] it is [14:01]