[00:00] <blognewb> wilee-nilee, so can a livecd read and write to an sd card?
[00:00] <reisio> blognewb: probably, depends on if that's in the kernel, which it probably is
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Easiest is sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # in front of saucy partners. Genrally I would say gksudo her to open it but that is the crux.
[00:01] <blognewb> reisio, what does kernel mean here? im so dumb about hardware and interfaces im sorry
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> here*
[00:01] <zykotick9> !gksudo | wilee-nilee
[00:01] <mojtaba> reisio: it is already mounted and I can see it via GUI. But how can I have access to it via cmd?
[00:02] <reisio> mojtaba: should say where it is at the top of the file manager
[00:02] <reisio> mojtaba: or you can right-click on a directory and open a terminal
[00:02] <allstarsnorks2_> okay done
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, The user has no gksudo and can't install gksu, I'm assuming it is in the partners repo, I would suggest a cli edit but this is a fresh user, you are welcome to show them how. ;)
[00:02] <reisio> blognewb: it's a fundamental part of an OS, in the case of GNU/Linux it holds most of the drivers, like for card readers
[00:03] <mojtaba> reisio: mtp://[usb:002,077]/Phone/DCIM/Camera
[00:03] <reisio> blognewb: most live OS images will have large kernels built to support a lot of hardware automatically
[00:03] <reisio> mojtaba: ah, mtp is something else
[00:03] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: removed the 2 # that contains ubuntu partners
[00:03] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: i'd suggest "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" from terminal then...
[00:03] <reisio> mojtaba: if it doesn't show up in the output of the 'mount' command, you'd probably have to copy it from the file manager, graphically
[00:04] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Which can be a problem if the person does not know how to save, as I said feel free to instruct. a single sudo on the sources list is hardly a problem, it is long term not using that is.
[00:04] <blognewb> reisio, i see so the kernel is not a hardware right?
[00:04] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: fyi gksu is in "main" whatever ubuntu calls that...
[00:04] <mojtaba> reisio: You mean there is no way to reach it via cmd?!
[00:04] <zykotick9> !info gksu
[00:04] <mojtaba> reisio: Actually I have copied lots of files and I would like to see if they are identical or not via cmd.
[00:05] <reisio> mojtaba: no there are probably lots of ways
[00:05] <reisio> but I don't know mtp, so I don't know what tools there are for it
[00:05] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I had them run cat /etc/apt/sources.list and pastbin it that repo is open and gave them the install command yet no gksu.
[00:05] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: i have to assume the origional poster is NOT running ubuntu
[00:05] <allstarsnorks2_> so?
[00:05] <reisio> mojtaba: other than if it shows up in 'mount' output
[00:05] <reisio> blognewb: right, software
[00:05] <mojtaba> reisio: no
[00:05] <Imaginati0n> Hello i installed ubuntu and i have one question. Is it normal for the update manager to auto-open when it has new updates?
[00:05] <mehwork> i have a 5 year old eeepc (netbook). Will the latest version of ubuntu work on it? I want something fast
[00:06] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: oh right, i saw you do that - and thought it was clever.  so they are running ubuntu?
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, here is their cat. http://pastebin.com/cRqRkPtP
[00:06] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: sorry, i don't visit pastebin.com
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Probably a bad install command
[00:06] <reisio> mehwork: what processor? how much ram?
[00:06] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, yeah it's ubuntu
[00:07] <reisio> mehwork: what graphics?
[00:07] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: that's messed then...  best of luck, to you and the OP
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Have you run a sudo apt-get update
[00:07] <mehwork> reisio: 1gb ram. itel atom cpu
[00:07] <mehwork> 10.1" ultra-mobility display
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, It's a mystery I tell yah. ;)
[00:08] <zykotick9> mehwork: consider xubuntu/lubuntu if you are looking for speed...
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: and I'm guessing only intel graphics?
[00:08] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: running it now and will update you
[00:08] <Sam__> omg_scout  Thanks for all the good information. I have not bought the Lenovo model T yet so I am hoping that the installer can lead me through repartitioning the drive. Thanks for the help again.
[00:08] <mehwork> reisio: probably
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: yeah, basically what zykotick9 said
[00:08] <mehwork> reisio: i dont even care about graphics. i'd be happy for just a cli version of ubuntu if it's possible
[00:08] <reisio> you can get more if you go with even less still, too
[00:08] <Imaginati0n> Is it normal for the update manager to auto-open in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[00:08] <mehwork> i just want it to run fast. It has an ubuntu on it right now and it's super slow
[00:08] <mehwork> but i havent reinstalled in years
[00:08] <reisio> mehwork: what do you want to do with it?
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Always run that first when you install.
[00:09] <mehwork> reisio: just command-line stuff
[00:09] <reisio> mehwork: you could just disable X then
[00:09] <mehwork> and python
[00:09] <mehwork> how do you disable x?
[00:09] <reisio> but if you want to install a new version anyways, use the minimalcd, I think it might let you opt out of desktop environment
[00:10] <mehwork> i want it to be permenant so it doesnt load it slowly everytime i reboot
[00:10] <Guest24204> is it possible to mount /home enrypted by ubuntu in another OS? How does Ubuntu Encrypt?
[00:10] <allstarsnorks2_> how many files will it update?
[00:11] <reisio> mehwork: what version of Ubuntu has it got?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, None till you run sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:11] <reisio> Guest24204: yes, but you need to know the answer to that question
[00:11] <blognewb> hey guys i know my bios version but how do i find out if it can boot from SD so i can boot the ubuntu from there please :(( help me oh
[00:11] <reisio> Guest24204: it can vary, but it's probably with ecryptfs
[00:11] <mehwork> reisio: 10.10
[00:11] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: Huh, well then
[00:11] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: did "apt-get update" fix the missing gksu?
[00:11] <reisio> mehwork: so it's using GNOME?
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Running the update is key to seeting up the communication between the computer and the repos on a install.
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> setting*
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Still waiting for the answer.
[00:12] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: okay then I'll update you. for now it's just running.
[00:12] <reisio> mehwork: probably be sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[00:12] <nismoSVK> sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:12] <reisio> mehwork: or s/gdm/lightdm
[00:12] <Guest24204> reisio: does LMDE have encryptfs?
[00:12] <reisio> Guest24204: 'ecryptfs', is available to any distro
[00:12] <reisio> as is basically any software
[00:13] <Guest24204> reisio: right, but I can't boot my new OS to install it..
[00:13] <allstarsnorks2_> well, it detected "gksu" alright. @wilee-nilee
[00:13] <Guest24204> reisio: at least I have something to google now. Thanks
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I did neglect to check which repo it was in and assumed the partners, having it not part of the stock install, hehe the bot would have told me. We have lift off now. ;)
[00:14] <reisio> Guest24204: hrmm?
[00:14] <Guest24204> reisio: I guess I can try re-intsalling ubuntu..
[00:14] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: nice!  good job.  <that is why i sent the "!info gksu" to you>
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Cool, so you understand that intial ujpdate run to sync the repos with the computer and update and upgrade are standard commands.
[00:15] <reisio> Guest24204: to accomplish what?
[00:15]  * wilee-nilee bows to zykotick9 
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> in thanks
[00:15] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: ;)
[00:16] <Guest24204> reisio: A system I can access my files in..
[00:16] <mehwork> reisio: i ran that command and it just said it was removing gdm startuplinks but when i rebooted it went rigght back into gnome
[00:16] <allstarsnorks2_> GREAT! Now I can start installing relinux. Thanks guys.
[00:16] <reisio> Guest24204: what's this got to do with ecryptfs?
[00:16] <mehwork> reisio: sorry actuall i'm running Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS precise
[00:17] <zykotick9> mehwork: you are aware that 10.10 is EOL right?
[00:17] <reisio> mehwork: okay, that's probably lightdm, then, not gdm
[00:17] <Teal`c> oh fuck u, who registere'd Teal`c
[00:17] <reisio> probably you did
[00:18] <Guest24204> reisio: my guess is ubuntu includes it in live cd/installer. Looks like Mint doesn't http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/01/01/how-to-install-linux-mint-debian-edition-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/
[00:18] <reisio> I'd guess they both do, but don't care :)
[00:18] <zykotick9> mehwork: sorry, checking above my post would have been good ;)
[00:18] <wilee-nilee> Kajunfiend, try to not swear please. ;)
[00:19] <unicornjedi> helllllo, I am new to apache2. I was wondering how can I add an alias to my website? Right now, my website name is just my public IP address. I want it to be like... swagdogs.awesome.net or something
[00:19] <reisio> unicornjedi: without actually acquiring a sub/domain?
[00:19] <reisio> unicornjedi: you could use /etc/hosts
[00:19] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: do you own the DNS for awesome.net?
[00:20] <unicornjedi> zykotick9,  no I do not :/
[00:20] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: without a proper DNS ownership, IP is all you can use.
[00:20] <I> hey
[00:20] <Danato> is there a way to change the volume control appearance on kde?
[00:20] <allstarsnorks2_> can you guys tell me some good programs to make a custom made Ubuntu install?
[00:21] <reisio> allstarsnorks2_: clockywock
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> reisio, mmmm analog
[00:22] <Danato> nvm found it :)
[00:22] <unicornjedi> zykotick9, hmm.. is there a way to get a free domain name?
[00:22] <allstarsnorks2_> it's sad that remastersys was canceled
[00:23] <reisio> unicornjedi: not really, but you can get a free subdomain pretty easily
[00:23] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: i doubt it...
[00:23] <unicornjedi> reisio, ooh do tell
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, Congratulations your the one millionth new user that wants to make a custom distro.
[00:23] <reisio> unicornjedi: there are lots of services, let me find a list
[00:23] <zykotick9> unicornjedi: i use to use no-ip, but i don't anymore.
[00:24] <reisio> unicornjedi: something like http://freedns.afraid.org/
[00:24] <reisio> http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/
[00:24] <allstarsnorks2_> wilee-nilee: uh,. thanks?
[00:24] <allstarsnorks2_> VirtualBox servers are down GREAT
[00:25] <CountryfiedLinux> HDMI audio doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2_, It was a joke, we just see this on a daily basis is all, so many linux distros and hardly a difference between them really.
[00:26] <allstarsnorks2_> WTF now my internet connection is screwed
[00:26] <yottabit> i don't get the point of installing Refind
[00:26] <allstarsnorks2_> brb guys
[00:26] <reisio> yottabit: the end
[00:26] <yottabit> reisio: eh?
[00:26] <unicornjedi> reisio, okay so how do I use subdomains??
[00:27] <reisio> unicornjedi: read their instructions
[00:27] <dvb-nouveau> has anyone managed to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:29] <genii> dvb-nouveau: Seeing as it's abandonware by it's authors in 2006 I don't think I'd want to try.
[00:29] <Anden> so.. i installed a package with dpkg -i that has a dependency i don't meet but my program works fine anyway. how can i make apt-get stop nagging me about it without uninstalling the whole program?
[00:31] <yellowfish> ayone good at setting cron jobs?
[00:31] <yellowfish> the full path is confusing me
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> !cron
[00:31] <reisio> yellowfish: confusing you how
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> yellowfish, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:32] <Anden> i actually ran dpkg with --ignore-depends=the package i didn't have but apt-get nags me anyway
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> !info klear
[00:32] <CountryfiedLinux> HDMI audio doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> !find klear
[00:32] <yellowfish> from what directory does cron run?
[00:32] <yellowfish> I'm using aws ec2
[00:34] <yellowfish> if I'm running a cronjob using python, I can't just use python path/to/file?
[00:34] <yellowfish> I've to do /usr/bin/python?
[00:35] <MrHacks> Has anyone had any success using MTP on 10.13?  I've been trying for over a month now to get this thing to wrok but there is always some error -32 or error -71 and the USB hub won't enumerate the device
[00:35] <MrHacks> "usb 2-1.5: device not accepting address 20, error -71"
[00:36] <MrHacks> "hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5"
[00:36] <zykotick9> MrHacks: 10.13?
[00:36] <MrHacks> Saucy Salamander
[00:36] <MrHacks> s/10.13/13.10/
[00:36] <zykotick9> MrHacks: that is not 10.13.  perhaps 13.10.
[00:37] <MrHacks> Stupid Smarch weather we had that year
[00:37]  * MrHacks reads a note "Do not touch, Willie." Good advice.
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, What is the media?
[00:38] <MrHacks> Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7"  (let's call it KFHD7 for short)
[00:39] <pngl_> Just installed Gnome 3 under Ubuntu 13.10, the bottom of menu items gets cut off and I have some graphical glitches in the dock on the left of the screen. If that's important: I'm using the 3.12 kernel.
[00:39]  * MrHacks is tempted to stick a KMFDM sticker on the back of his KFHD7
[00:39] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, The shell, gnome 3 underlies several of the desktops already.
[00:40] <pngl_> wilee-nilee: I don't understand
[00:40] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: doubt it doesn't matter whether you're using mainline kernel or not~
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, the gnome shell is the gnome 3 desktop.
[00:41] <sprung> Hi, When I right-click on a file, my options are to Move To, or Copy To, only two options: Home or Desktop. I want to add an SMB share.
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, gnome 3 is under the unity desktop which is s plugin in compiz. Installing gnome is the confusion.
[00:42] <sprung> How can I add a Samba share in the file context menu?
[00:42] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: I was running 14.04 daily earlier and I had none of those glitches so I thought it could be some kind of drivers issues
[00:42] <sprung> Just to post all in one message: Hi, When I right-click on a file, my options are to Move To, or Copy To, only two options: Home or Desktop. I want to add an SMB share. How can I add a Samba share in the file context menu?
[00:42] <pngl_> wilee-nilee: Sorry, I don't understand. Ubuntu comes with Unity, and gnome-shell is what I installed
[00:43] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: what graphics card do you have?
[00:43] <grahamsavage__> Hi, i've been using ubuntu unity on 12.04 about 6 months now full time and i find the windowing management infurating.   The main issue being having multiple windows in a single application open.  For example imagine having 8 windows in an IDE open and 12 terminal windows open.  In both windows and OSX if i want to open a particular tab i click on the icon in the dock or the start menu, all the windows for that application come to focus and i can
[00:43] <grahamsavage__> easily select any of the current windows.  In unity, i have to click wait for it for it to fade out the windows and then select each window indvidually.  This is a huge inefficiency every day and i've not been able to find any work around even though i know most of the ubuntu shortcuts.  Is there anyway to work around this?
[00:43] <c_nick> .close
[00:43] <Anuhak> Hello, can someone recommend a theme with a text cursor that is highly visible?  (wider than the standard blinking  i-beam, maybe also colorful)
[00:43] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: integrated intel graphics 4400
[00:43] <reisio> Anuhak: could make your own
[00:44] <sam113101> where can I download ubuntu 14.04?
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you're using the open source intel driver, right?
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> !14.04
[00:44] <Ari-Yang> wups
[00:45] <pngl_> Ari-Yang: I didn't choose anything so if that's the default, yes.
[00:45] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, Good, that is much clearer, I was just point out that unity is a plugin in compiz running on top if gnome 3, just trying to confrim what installing gnome meant.
[00:45] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you need CompizConfig Manager.
[00:45] <sprung> grahamsavage_, You'll want to disable the window effects using that tool.
[00:45] <Ari-Yang> pngl_: alright, maybe you should use latest intel driver then seeing how you're using kernel 3.12... before you try that, I suggest booting into a previous kernel (ubuntu's kernel) and see if you have any glitches
[00:46] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you may have to download it via the Ubuntu Software Center.
[00:46] <dvb-nouveau> has anyone managed to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:46] <grahamsavage__> sprung: it's not the effects thats the issue, it's that the windows don't all come to focus
[00:46] <sprung> grahamsavage_, oh. Well, i hate to break it to you but that's still an effect.
[00:47] <kostkon> !info klear
[00:47] <sprung> grahamsavage_, it's disabled in the tool i mentioned
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> pngl_, Running a kernel beyond the release is also technically not supported, is the shell from a ppa perchance as well?
[00:47] <pngl> Ari-Yang: ok, I'll try to reboot (pngl is on another computer). How can I install the latest drivers?
[00:47] <pngl> wilee-nilee: yes it is :( gnome3-team/something
[00:48] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, the way you are forming the question is very bad. We're assuming you already googled for an answer, and you didn't find anything, which you can form a hypothesis using induction that not many people have used this tool, in general, let alone in this channel.
[00:48] <Anden> i'll try a different take on my question: can i uninstall a package without removing the files? so that it just disappears from apt-get but leaves the files it installed on my drive
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> pngl, None of that is technically supported the kernal or the ppa, just a heads up is all.
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: when I say latest, I mean like version from git
[00:49] <pngl> wilee-nilee: since I need 3.12 to correctly run Ubuntu on my laptop, I guess that mans I'm in trouble
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you can either compile from git http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/ which I don't recommend
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: or add this ppa from here https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ and run apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> which I recommend
[00:49] <Ari-Yang> pngl: that ppa only supports 13.04 and 13.10 btw
[00:49] <dvb-nouveau> a guy who i lost touch with managed to install klear on ubuntu 11.10 (NO goole info on that) but i want to install klear on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:49] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, using deductive reasoning formed from the hypothesis through induction, the conclusion is you shouldn't ask whether anyone has used klear, you should instead provide error logs and links to what klear is, also what ubuntu version you are using would be helpful
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Not necessarily, you just have some limitations possibly, and I would be sure that is really the case. I doubt it is.
[00:50] <wilee-nilee> dvb-nouveau, Is it in the 12.04 repos?
[00:50] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok.. i've installed it.. and it's disabled the animation.. it still doesn't bring the windows to the front
[00:50] <pngl> wilee-nilee, Ari-Yang, using kernel 3.11, same issues
[00:50] <jubale> I asked this 4-5 hrs ago, but I've been having trouble playing DVD movies. I've tried using VLC, MPlayer CLI, KMplayer, SMPlayer, and Totem. MPlayer CLI plays first title using GL Video (laggy); without GL first track plays decent, however, no sound.
[00:50] <Ari-Yang> pngl: and that's ubuntu's 3.11 right?
[00:51] <pngl> Ari-Yang: If you mean 13.10, yes
[00:51] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you mean you want certain windows to be Always On Top?
[00:51] <pngl> wilee-nilee: you mean you doubt I'll have limitations or you doubt I need the 3.12 kernel?
[00:51] <Ari-Yang> pngl: hmmm... I don't know then... pngl I guess you could try latest drivers
[00:51] <Ari-Yang> jubale: what's the problem?
[00:51] <dvb-nouveau> sprung: i said very clearly thta i use 12.04. http://www.klear.org/ and no klear is not in the 12.04 repos
[00:51] <MrHacks> Anyone come up with an idea to get MTP to work? Just about every MTP/FUSE software I can think of (especially libmtp, mtpfs, and gmtp) is installed, and I can't even connect my cellphone to my computer in MTP mode.
[00:51] <pngl> Ari-Yang: doing that now
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> pngl, the kernel
[00:51] <sprung> dvb-nouveau, check this out it was written by the guy who wrote the tcp stack http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[00:52] <jubale> I have a paste of "Messages" given by VLC, which tries and instantly fails to load video.
[00:52] <grahamsavage__> sprung: no, i want the windows to be brought to the front when i click on the icon on the left.. imagine 10 terminal windows.. some underlying other applications etc.  When i click on the terminal icon, i'd like them all to be visible
[00:52] <Ari-Yang> pngl: after you add the ppa, run apt-get dist-upgrade, log out and log back in (because you updated the driver)
[00:52] <dvb-nouveau> sprung, you mean Eric S. Raymond???
[00:52] <pngl> wilee-nilee: you're right -- actually I just need two patches. But I just tried with 3.11 and got the same issues.
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Some here just wont help unless it is stock from the repos for good reasons, unless there is no other option.
[00:52] <sprung> grahamsavage_, i don't know man i think you should probably just install windows 8 and give up
[00:53] <Ari-Yang> pngl: if you want to revert changes run ppa-purge ppa-here-
[00:53] <grahamsavage__> at the moment it only brings the most recently selected window to the front
[00:53]  * MrHacks wishes there was some device on eBay he can buy to bridge MTP devices with USB making the USB side on the computer was a regular media device and the device side thinking it was some MTP compatible computer.
[00:53] <sprung> grahamsavage_, you could try developing for Unity maybe that will fix it
[00:53] <grahamsavage__> sprung: i find it hard to believe that everyone would just put up with it :/
[00:53] <jubale> And, I would fix the problem if I knew what it actually is.
[00:54] <grahamsavage__> do developers usually use unity or do they use gnome or something else?
[00:54] <ki4ro> Is there a way to change the default email app from Evolution to say gmail?
[00:54] <pete-478> I'm trying to exchange files between 2 Ubuntu desktops across the Internet through VPN. The transfer rates are much slower than the capacity of both locations. I've also tried exchanging files using ssh but that was also slower than capacity. Are there settings in Ubuntu or programs that throttle file exchange rates?
[00:54] <jubale> Hrm. I'll be back in a bit.
[00:54] <sprung> grahamsavage_, well, that thing that you're talking about, we still don't know what your issue is, something about your windows not all coming up
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, There is a mtp ppa that was suggested for 12.04 you might look.
[00:55] <Ari-Yang> pngl: make sure you run apt-get update after adding the ppa before running apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:56] <grahamsavage__> sprung: http://i.imgur.com/NtvWkjH.png
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, up to raring https://launchpad.net/~langdalepl/+archive/gvfs-mtp
[00:56] <sprung> lol
[00:56] <sprung> thats an awesome fail
[00:56] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok.. i have clicked on the terminal icon on the left hand side.. i would expect that all 3 terminal windows would be on the top layer
[00:56] <pngl> wilee-nilee: more precisely there's no wireless drivers and no cpu scaling feature for my laptop on 3.11, so I need to do *something*
[00:56] <pete-478> I'm using OpenVPN for VPN and also noticed that remote shell is laggy when tranfering files, so the slow speed has something to do with VPN. Does OpenVPN throttle bandwidth or is it somehow inherently slow?
[00:56] <pngl> Ari-Yang: yep :)
[00:57] <sprung> grahamsavage_, yep i have no idea what caused that but now you have a faster way of explaining it at least
[00:57] <wilee-nilee> pngl, Have you proclaimed the wifi hardware as of yet here now or ever?
[00:57] <grahamsavage__> sprung: oh thats not normal behaviour?
[00:57] <pngl> wilee-nilee: Not sure I understood your question. Here's where I'm coming from: https://spicious.com/sony-vaio-pro-11-with-ubuntu.html
[00:58] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: tried that and it didn't work for KFHD7. connections are flakey with gvfs-mtp with my rooted Cyanogenmod'd HP Touchpad
[00:58] <sprung> grahamsavage_, what happens what you left click the terminal icon and a group of windows comes up to select to go to the foreground and you select one that is not in the current foreground?
[00:58] <grahamsavage__> yes, that works
[00:59] <BuntuFuntu> MrHacks, do they still  sell Touchpads?
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> pngl, That link comes up at untrusted on FF here, can you run lspci if the wifi is internal and lsusb if external and post the actual hardware, the cpu scaling I would have no clue of.
[00:59] <sprung> grahamsavage_, is your xchat set to always on top?
[00:59] <MrHacks> No. I snagged my when HP decided to sell them for $99 because WebOS sucked
[01:00] <grahamsavage__> sprung: ok think of it this way... imagine i have 100 terminal windows how do i bring them all to focus .. do i have to go   1. click menu 2. click window A  2. click menu 3. click menu B ... repeat ?
[01:00] <yeyeman> how do I change the permissions of a directory and all files and directories in it?
[01:00] <grahamsavage__> sorry bring them to the foreground
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, Ah, how old is the OS is it 4.2 or above?
[01:00] <ianorlin> you can use another DE if you want
[01:01] <grahamsavage__> yeyemen: chmod -R 777 dirname
[01:01] <daftykins> MrHacks: just in case you weren't aware, there's a #cyanogenmod-touchpad
[01:01] <sam113101> where can I download ubuntu 14.04?
[01:01] <dvb-nouveau> sprung, you mean Eric S. Raymond???
[01:01] <daftykins> sam113101: come back in April
[01:01] <sprung> grahamsavage_, this is actually i problem i have had too but to fix it i just have started it in a new desktop (often i open 20 cssh terminals at once)
[01:01] <BuntuFuntu> Sam113101: Not released yet I don't think.
[01:01] <wilee-nilee> sam113101, google 14.04 daily and the correct channel for it is #ubuntu+1
[01:02] <BuntuFuntu> I'mma go google that :D
[01:02] <sprung> grahamsavage_, ctrl+alt+right
[01:02] <sam113101> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:02] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: On the KFHD7? FireOS 7.4.6_user_4620220 which is some Android 2.4 something
[01:02] <yeyeman> is it possible to always use ubuntu as root?
[01:02] <grahamsavage__> sprung: you mean a different desktop UI ?
[01:02] <grahamsavage__> sprung: which one do you use?
[01:02] <yeyeman> like administrator in windows
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, That old an android wont work is all
[01:03] <yeyeman> I'm tired of my OS protecting itself from me
[01:03] <zykotick9> yeyeman: horrible idea!
[01:03] <badger> hello, is this the right place for help with ubuntu?
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> badger, yep
[01:03] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: Yes.
[01:03] <yeyeman> zykotick9, WHY
[01:03] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: If I can connect my KFHD7 to my computer, I can upgrade to Cyanogenmod 10.1 which is Android 4.0 something
[01:03] <zykotick9> yeyeman: i'm not going to waste my time answering that.  best of luck.
[01:03] <badger> yeyeman you shouldnt always be root
[01:03] <badger> sudo
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: The KFHD7 was released last year
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, I would go 4.2 or 4.3 if you can
[01:04] <kostkon> !root | yeyeman
[01:04] <zykotick9> badger: s/always/never/
[01:04] <grahamsavage__> spung: ctrl-alt-right switches desktop spaces for me
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: That's would require Cyanogenmod 10.2 which is still in alpha
[01:04] <badger> why would you want that?
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, I belive 10.1 is 4.2 I have Nexus 7 and run those rooted
[01:04] <allstarsnorks2> hi again
[01:04] <MrHacks> wilee-nilee: But right now, I just want to get the damn thing to CONNECT to my computer so I can perform the upgrade
[01:05] <zykotick9> badger: sorry, read that as "you should always be root" my bad.
[01:05] <tapFizzle> Hello, having probably a pretty common issue with network config, running ubuntu 12.04.2, terminal only… when i start and stop the networking service, eth0 doesn't change status… it will only change if I run ip link dev set eth0 down|up
[01:05] <badger> zykotick9, TRUE DAT
[01:05] <badger> its what its there for
[01:05] <badger> wilee-nilee,
[01:05] <MrHacks> Fricking MTP
[01:05] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, You have a windows OS handy?
[01:05] <allstarsnorks2> ubuntu randomly disconnects me from the Internet. dk y
[01:06] <yeyeman> can someone give me a reason why I should not be able to do whatever I want in ubuntu without typing in the password all the time?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, You can side load android as well.
[01:06] <yeyeman> I mean I'm already able to do it, the password is just a formality
[01:06] <badger> anyone got any time to spare helping me sort out a driver issue?
[01:06] <badger> its the bcom 4311 thing im sure its pretty common ive dont it before but done a fresh install and having issues
[01:06] <MrHacks> The only computer that has Windows in my house has Vista, which I tried connecting it on that and much like XP, microsoft has no support for Vista any more
[01:06] <yottabit> i need to try the latest drm-intel-nightly
[01:06] <pngl> Ari-Yang: 1 out of 2 ! Menu items are not cut off anymore, but the glitches are still there :)
[01:06] <MrHacks> Windows Media Player 11 is not supported on Vista apparently
[01:06] <BuntuFuntu> MrHacks: I thought Vista was on extended support?
[01:06] <yottabit> it has a fix for the latest macbook pros display
[01:06] <yottabit> tips on getting it?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> yeyeman, Thats the way it is for safety you need permission for admin is all.
[01:07] <Anden> can i uninstall a package without removing the files? so that it just disappears from apt-get but leaves the files it installed on my drive
[01:07] <yottabit> i'm currently typing in a borked mac display :|
[01:07] <xangua> MrHacks: maybe this helps http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/upgrade-to-gvfs-with-mtp-support-in.html
[01:07] <badger> BuntuFuntu, thanks any pointers for me?
[01:07] <xangua> MrHacks: what ubuntu version are you running¿
[01:07] <badger> zykotick9, ??
[01:07] <MrHacks> xangua: gvfs doesn't work on all MTP devices
[01:07] <Ari-Yang> pngl: ah that's good
[01:08] <MrHacks> xangua: 13.10
[01:08] <MrHacks> I had this problem on 13.04 as well, xangua
[01:08] <yottabit> i need the current one of these: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/
[01:08] <yottabit> how would you add that ppa?
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> yeyeman, There are other distro's that run in admin and or are more setup to run with it set at on, maybe that would be more your style.
[01:08] <badger> looks like you people also use android with reference to cyanogenmod above?
[01:08] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: For yor driver issue?
[01:08] <yottabit> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[01:08] <xangua> MrHacks: ok then the link won't work for you, last time I installed 13.04 it mounted my device with android 4.0 and up
[01:09] <xangua> last time i installes 13.10*
[01:09] <allstarsnorks2> any idea when Mozilla will release Firefox 25?
[01:09] <yeyeman> wilee-nilee, ok I will look in to it
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> xangua, he has an android 2.4 hehe, hyou might know that already. ;)
[01:09] <MrHacks> xangua: as I tried to explain several times already, the KFHD7 does not use android 4.0, it uses some crappy android 2.3 called FireOS
[01:10] <allstarsnorks2> Firefox 25 for Ubuntu that is.
[01:10] <xangua> I rea firefoxOS :P
[01:10] <xangua> !info firefox | allstarsnorks2
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, its in the repos
[01:10] <MrHacks> FireOS is NOT related to FireFoxOS
[01:10] <dedbodiez> hey hey
[01:10] <BuntuFuntu> Allstarsnorks2: I have 25 on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[01:10] <badger> BuntuFuntu, yes if you know how to get broadcom driver working there are so many guides online i forget which ones work for me and which ones dont
[01:10] <allstarsnorks2> i still have 24.0 LOL
[01:11] <BuntuFuntu> Allstarsnorks2: WHen was the last time you ran an update?
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Have you run that upgrade yet?
[01:11] <MrHacks> FireOS is Amazon's way of keeping their sheeple customers in line.
[01:11] <badger> im using 12.04 ubuntu and i know i can  get wifi working i just  cant get it to work right now
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> MrHacks, baaah
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[01:11] <MrHacks> FireOS is basically a rip off of Android
[01:12] <yeyeman> in some PDF files I have the letter spacing seems a bit messed up, sometimes there is a space where it should not be, anyone know if it's possible to fix it somehow?
[01:12] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee: if ubuntu gets my internet working. it just decided to randomly cut my internet connection.
[01:12] <badger> fireOS? new on me is this like firefox for phones or something else
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, wireless?
[01:12] <BuntuFuntu> Badger: Hmm.. Idk. I'm not a driver kind of person. I've only been using linux for like 8-10 months :P
[01:12] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee: yes, wireless
[01:12] <pngl> For anyone interested, here is what the glitches look like (left side of the screen) http://imgur.com/D1AbCsR
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, sounds like it is having the problem, just a guess.
[01:13] <badger> yeah ive been using it a while kinda new myself and from what i understand broadcom wireless is a PITA.
[01:13] <Ari-Yang> yottabit: I'm not sure how you would add that ppa... I just download the .deb files I need myself
[01:13]  * MrHacks would like admin privliges so he can bann every idiot who doesn't scroll back on the IRC queue and read the part where I said Amazon FireOS is NOT related to Mozilla FireFox
[01:14] <badger> proprietary drivers on opensources wtf, just make the driver opensource, why not they already bought the damn hardware
[01:14] <Ari-Yang> pngl: oh you're using unity3D... maybe it's unity/compiz related issue?
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> badger, Please don't swear, or use their acronyms. ;)
[01:14] <MrHacks> *FUN FACT*: pressing PAGE UP and PAGE down in IRSSI allows you to SCROLL back and read more of the messages.
[01:14] <Ari-Yang> wilee-nilee: ttfn
[01:15] <badger> u the what the or the dman?
[01:15] <pngl> Ari-Yang: am I using unity3D? sorry, I'm not well-versed in how this works. I thought I was using gdm+gnome3 and that it was either unity or gnome3
[01:15] <allstarsnorks2> got disconnected
[01:15] <grahamsavage__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/959339 :( wtf are these UI designers thinking
[01:15] <wilee-nilee> badger, It is a channel rule, just a heads up from me. ;)
[01:15] <allstarsnorks2> i'm getting pissed at Relinux
[01:15] <badger> ok cool but which bit classed as a swear?
[01:15] <MrHacks> And can someone *PLEASE* nuke all these bots that are constantly flooding the queue with their joins and parts?
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> badger, any words or acronyms.
[01:16] <badger> ahh ok
[01:16] <Ari-Yang> pngl: that looks like unity3d for me... if you mean desk top environment/flavor GNOME, you can change over to it by logging out, and in the login box there should be an ubuntu icon or something, click it and from there you can select what to use
[01:16] <allstarsnorks2> !info VirtualBox
[01:16] <badger> what the friday...
[01:16] <kostkon> Ari-Yang, its gnome shell....
[01:16] <MrHacks> shut the frontdoor!
[01:16] <pngl> Ari-Yang: yes, that's what I'm using. It's the unity background, maybe that's throwing you off?
[01:16] <Ari-Yang> kostkon: oh...
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> badger, I'm with you though in real life I am known to do that. ;)
[01:16] <lazers> MrHacks: 1700 users in a single room. Overcrowded. Your client can turn off joins/parts/quits.
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> pngl: haha yeah
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> xD;
[01:17] <unicornjedi> heyy, is it possible for me to use my machine name (ie. unicornjedi-MS-7683) as my website name?
[01:17] <pngl> Ari-Yang: anyway thanks a lot for your help :)
[01:17] <MrHacks> lazers: yeah, I could ignore them, but then I wouldn't know if the people who aren't bots are still in the room
[01:17] <badger> unicornjedi, yeah if you buy a url
[01:17] <Ari-Yang> pngl: you're welcome... mind opening up a terminal and run glxinfo | grep Open and pastebin the output?
[01:18] <badger> unicornjedi, godaddy.com will sell you one
[01:18] <badger> but why would u want that?
[01:18] <MrHacks> badger Dreamhost FTW
[01:18] <lazers> MrHacks: And it's not bots. The world is huge. People pop in and out all times. Some clients are smarter than others. Use tab completion too. ;-)
[01:18]  * reisio prefers realityhost
[01:19] <unicornjedi> okay dokey
[01:19] <MrHacks> badger Dreamhost > goDeletey
[01:19] <badger> MrHacks, maybe so never had a domain never needed one
[01:19] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, Just add the password and your in for a whole lotta fun.
[01:19] <allstarsnorks2> why do i keep getting disconnected ugh
[01:19] <badger> i accept your wisdom
[01:19] <pngl> Ari-Yang: no problem, pastebin.com/w0qR8P3v
[01:19] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee, what kind of fun? :/
[01:20] <Ari-Yang> pngl: nice, notice the version on opengl core profile, 3.3~
[01:20] <pngl> Ari-Yang: (also, could it help to enable saucy-proposed in the software updates?)
[01:20] <pngl> Ari-Yang: ah so that's good
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, run lspci in the terminal and tell us the wifi hardware. I this your wifi connection and is the signal strong?
[01:20] <allstarsnorks2> !info LibreOffice
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, guess
[01:20] <Ari-Yang> pngl: what do you mean by 'saucy-proposed'? what is that?
[01:21] <badger> MrHacks, can't the cia just host everything since they spy on it anyway?
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> heh my 13.10 has libreoffice
[01:21] <pngl> Ari-Yang: in the Software&Updates settings, I can check Install updates from : "Pre-released updates (saucy-proposed)"
[01:21] <Ari-Yang> pngl: I don't think that would help with graphical glitches...
[01:21] <pngl> Ari-Yang: alright :)
[01:22] <pngl> Ari-Yang: Thanks again for helping me out... I got no response on #gnome
[01:22] <allstarsnorks2> 10 minutes and stuck on SquashFS.
[01:23] <badger> allstarsnorks2, what u trying to do?
[01:23] <MrHacks> badger: They could, but then they would outsource the service to some Canadian company where they only hire Southern/Southeastern Asian people whoul only speak French because Quebec sucks.
[01:23] <ki4ro> To anyone who may have answered my question about making gmail my default, I had a computer issue and had to reboot
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, In?
[01:24] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, 13.04
[01:24] <MrHacks> badger: It worked so well for Healthcare.gov and I'm a registered Democrat who works at a computer everyday
[01:24] <badger> MrHacks,  true, and then blame korea/china/iran for insecurities
[01:24] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Did some of my own research and got it working
[01:25] <badger> ki4ro, fwiw gmail as default use PGP
[01:25] <ki4ro> PGP?
[01:25] <MrHacks> badger: I'm surprised it hasn't been infected with the Stuxnext virus yet like the International Space Station recently has for some reason. But I direse this conversation as it is not a poltical channel.
[01:25] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Not sure I understand, evolution is a mail caller, gmail is an email account.
[01:25] <MrHacks> s/direse/digress/
[01:26] <badger> ki4ro, pretty good privacy, google is your friend with this one my friend
[01:26] <BrianH> Hey guys, anyone using unity-tweak-tool?  I'm having a problem setting the top panel transparency because there's no toggle switch to enable it, but in screenshots there shows that one is supposed to be there.
[01:26] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, got it workin cool.
[01:26] <MrHacks> How good is Pretty Good Privacy? Pretty Good or Pretty Good?
[01:26] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, When I click provide feedback on a web page, for example, I want gmail to be pulled up not evolution
[01:26] <reisio> MrHacks: good enough
[01:27] <MrHacks> lol
[01:27] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Ah, you have it fixed though right?
[01:28] <badger> MrHacks, stuxnet wasnt a cia plot to prevent irans nuclear program? or also to take control or international space station, which seems a contradiction in terms international space station, its in space not a nation
[01:28] <BrianH> Screenshot for reference: http://imgur.com/z1bZLVV.jpg
[01:28] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Yes... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130203
[01:28] <MrHacks> badger: American plot. WRITTEN BY ISRAELI DEFENCE FORCE
[01:28] <BrianH> And here's documentation showing the toggle switch: http://askubuntu.com/questions/70910/how-can-i-adjust-the-transparency-of-the-status-bar-top-panel
[01:29] <MrHacks> The IDF is run by paranoid Jews.  Any normal jewish person would be like "Meh."
[01:29] <badger> MrHacks,  im sure they colluded their interests are aligned
[01:29] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, The one thing they forgot to mention is that you have to go into system info and select gnome gmail as your default mail app
[01:30] <FiremanEd> badger, Mr. Hacks: Please take your off-topic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic  :)
[01:30] <badger> firemanEd, oops sorry
[01:30] <MrHacks> Good point, FiremanEd
[01:30] <MrHacks> I'd just like to get this stinking MTP software to work!
[01:31] <badger> prolly was written in gmacs tho
[01:31] <badger> emacs
[01:31] <badger> mtp?
[01:33] <BrianH> Adjusting the transparency levels doesn't seem to affect anything either.
[01:35] <badger> just got fired...
[01:36] <yottabit> you shouldn't have to apply the patch here, right?
[01:36] <yottabit> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[01:36] <reisio> badger: all uphill from here
[01:37] <badger> reisio, what u mean?
[01:37] <yottabit> the patch should already be in the .deb files?
[01:38] <BrianH> Nevermind, fixed.
[01:38] <dreamx87> hmm for all the people here today it sure is quiet :3
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Who forgot to mention? That is a personal choice, I use thunderbird it opens when ever I click as you suggested that is fine for me, it's my choice.
[01:40] <badger> wilee-nilee, +1 for thunderbird
[01:40] <sprung> dreamx87, most of the people awake right now are in the western hemisphere, and most of linux users in the western hemisphere are in the united states. The west coast is currently driving home from work, and the east coast on a monday night has better things to do than be in this channel right now. I'd wait for later
[01:41] <badger> sprung, hemispheres depend on your map dont they?
[01:41] <VLanX> anyone experiencing graphic artifacts on 12.10 ?
[01:41] <badger> vlanx like what?
[01:42] <sprung> VLanX, ati? nvidia?
[01:43] <badger> sprung; you just cant get good help these days
[01:44] <badger> i wish there was a call centre i could call to get support, you know like microsoft and that
[01:44] <VLanX> badger, sprung: HD4000, integrated GPU in sandy bridge
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> linux is a help yourself environment, always has been. You can pay canonical for help though.
[01:45] <VLanX> but probably just RAM issue. My system last day got frozen, and i couldnt even hard reset via hardware button
[01:45] <badger> VLanX, pics? or id didnt happen
[01:45] <VLanX> badger: just a sec
[01:46] <badger> wilee-nilee, sarcasm oops
[01:46] <daftykins> VLanX: have you run memtest?
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> badger, ah
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> you get what you pay for with open source
[01:47] <badger> you dont get what you pay for with proprietary
[01:47] <badger> but you still pay
[01:48] <badger> im still annoyed that sony took linux support off ps3
[01:48] <VLanX> daftykins: not yet. which version u suggest me with sandy bridge cpu?
[01:49] <badger> wilee-nilee, who do you trust with your software someone that wont tell you why it works, or someone one that does and just makes it work. seems kinda simple to me
[01:50] <daftykins> VLanX: any if you have an ubuntu CD/DVD/USB around you can run memtest from that
[01:50] <badger> can usually run mtest from grub
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> badger, sure, if cognitive you process with dichotomies. ;)
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> your*
[01:51] <badger> wilee-nilee, lost me? dichotomies? splits?
[01:52] <VLanX> daftykins: i can also download last 4.20 of memtest and get it into USB drive w/ unetbootin i guess
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> badger, and or the other, good or bad. every situation has variables and many choices.
[01:53] <badger> wilee-nilee, yeah true. greyscale not B&W
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[01:53] <Duel-Travis> Hey
[01:54] <daftykins> VLanX: as long as it's memtest86+ yep
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, howdee partner.
[01:55] <badger> wilee-nilee, every living being knows right from wrong
[01:55] <Duel-Travis> wilee-nilee, Hawdee
[01:55] <Nuclear_muffin> My friend when using the software center to open a deb for dolphin gets this:  "dependency is not satisfiable: libavcodec53 (>=6:0.8.3-1~) | libavcodec-extra-53 (>=6:0.8.9)
[01:55] <Duel-Travis> bad sources im guessing.,
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> badger, Within in their own reality to some extent yes, affected by cultural, ethnic, and social norms, however your right may be a wrong to another its a big complex world.
[01:56] <badger> i had some bad sauces once... made me sick
[01:57] <Nuclear_muffin> Never mind he added a repo and installed it in the terminal, its all good, thanks.
[01:57] <badger> wilee-nilee,  were gonna get kicked for going off topic but yeah i agree
[01:57] <Duel-Travis> whats the channel for of tpoc?>
[01:58] <peyam> Salam its me uncle Peyam
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, offtopic?
[01:58] <Duel-Travis> yes
[01:58] <Duel-Travis> when I try an join one nothing happends
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <badger> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:59] <wilee-nilee> home of the erudite discourse, heh NOT
[01:59] <badger> intercourse?
[02:00] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, did you check my  blog
[02:01] <badger> sleep or gt5? im f'd
[02:01] <bvms> is there any way i can use rpms?
[02:02] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, er no, not a clue what your talking about, I suspect it is a gpt bits issue though.
[02:02] <Peyam> yes
[02:02] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, link
[02:02] <badger> yeah mmmhmm
[02:02] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, http://kurdan.se
[02:04] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, Cool, I would include more on it being a gpt thing is all. We used to see this on occasion when I was a UF member and helping dualbooters.
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, I would give a rods link as well.
[02:05] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, actually my  blog is my notes for later use. if my computer brokes.
[02:05] <xangua> bvms: or you could just tell us what do you want to install
[02:05] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, Yes. I noticed that the link there goes to my pastebin.
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, Cool it's on nthe web though, you never know who might come across it you want people to as Andy Rooney said " the rest of the story"
[02:06] <alumno__> hola
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:06] <FloodBot1> alumno__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:06] <alumno__> d
[02:07] <bvms> i want to install a firewall
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> Peyam, That guy rod is a pretty smart cookie he has a PH.D in psychology and published research in that area.
[02:07] <wafflejockTablet> !firewall | bvms
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> besides being a unix and linux expert and published there
[02:08] <duoi> wilee-nilee, a PhD in Psychology is like being a professional house of card maker.
[02:08] <Guest46579> I'm trying to fsck an NTFS partition with GParted's GUI. gpartedbin has been running for over 22 hours now at 100% CPU usage for presumably the whole time. Am I hosed?
[02:08] <Peyam> wilee-nilee, I see. I updated the topic there
[02:08] <wilee-nilee> duoi, Heh, that is your opinion, but a lot of work to get, and not all answers to life agreed.
[02:09] <bvms> norton firewall is windows only right?
[02:09] <coolot> #ffmpeg
[02:09] <wafflejockTablet> bvms: yes believe so clamav is a virus scanner option if u want that
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> duoi, Any real Doctorate is a academic pursuit.
[02:10] <bazhang> !ot
[02:11] <bvms> thought linux does not have viruses?
[02:11] <bvms> thats why i installed it
[02:11] <wafflejockTablet> bvms: can find windows viruses all systems can have programs that do malicious thingas
[02:12] <wafflejockTablet> People tend to get less problems on linux since we don't run as root and many distros with low desktop user base makes it not a popular target
[02:13] <reisio> lots of reasons, mmm
[02:14] <reisio> but definitely a reality
[02:14] <wafflejockTablet> If u arbitrarily install stuff from the internet with no regard for the source then your likely to get something malicious eventually
[02:15] <DuelBoot> is it easy to use windows programs on here?
[02:16] <wafflejockTablet> Virtual box or wine
[02:16] <duoi> DuelBoot, install Wine. Most programs should work.
[02:16] <xangua> is easier to use them in windows DuelBoot
[02:16] <genii> !appdb
[02:17] <DuelBoot> okay guys, GOing to boot onto windows and try and fix my sd card
[02:23] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm not getting sound with HDMI output. I get picture, but no sound. Any suggestions?
[02:24] <reisio> CountryfiedLinux: make sure hdmi cable does sound, not all do
[02:24] <reisio> make sure it's plugged in properly
[02:24] <reisio> make sure alsamixer options are exhausted (tab, up/dn arrow)
[02:27] <CountryfiedLinux> reisio, It has picture, so it must be plugged in properly. Maybe a hardware issue? My other laptop used to work fine with HDMI sound output months ago.
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> CountryfiedLinux, I had to use a hdmi device, my computer does not have that port, and a mini server to get it to work completely.
[02:28] <MrHacks> Sooooooo, what'd I miss. Anything important I need to read that requires me to hit the PAGE UP  button a few dozen times?
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> CountryfiedLinux, Can't you just access netflix through the TV?
[02:28] <tomivs> Hi. Someone can help me?
[02:29] <tomivs> I need to make ssh tunnel from server to my home-localhost
[02:29] <CountryfiedLinux> wilee-nilee, no
[02:29] <bvms> i need help too.. i got the firewall installed but it keeps asking for a password
[02:30] <tomivs> ssh -N -D 127.0.0.1:9090 user@server -p 921 >> this work on my home-localhost
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> bvms, have you tried your user password?
[02:32] <judgepg> what firewall
[02:32] <tomivs> Bye, thx for all
[02:32] <bvms> oh
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> bvms, That's doh. ;)
[02:33] <bvms> that worked lol
[02:33] <judgepg> why choose debian over ubuntu?
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, ask here #debian
[02:34] <zykotick9> judgepg: if you value "stability" over version numbers...
[02:34] <bvms> i updated when i installed the firewall. now i get debian conflicts
[02:34] <judgepg> thanks
[02:34] <reisio> judgepg: I like to ask that question the other way 'round
[02:34] <bvms> something  about gedit dependency
[02:35] <zykotick9> reisio: if you value "version numbers" over stability ;)
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> bvms, what does lsb_release -a show?
[02:35] <judgepg> wouldnt one prefer to update the distro less often?
[02:35] <reisio> zykotick9: mind -> blown :p
[02:36] <reisio> judgepg: nobody forces you to update any distro
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, That is a personal choice, eh.
[02:36] <zykotick9> reisio: ;)
[02:36] <reisio> this is unheard of, and impossible to enforce
[02:36] <reisio> which is why it's unheard of
[02:36] <reisio> even Microsoft can only incentivize updating
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> la la la I can't hear you
[02:36] <reisio> by releasing newer versions of software that's incompatible with older versions, on purpose
[02:37] <judgepg> what about support?  how long for each ubuntu release
[02:37] <user23948u> can't run firefox, please help: (process:31176): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> judgepg, on the web, this is support, do you have an actual support issue?
[02:38] <reisio> judgepg: I think the LTS are at... 5 years?
[02:38] <reisio> it doesn't really matter
[02:38] <reisio> if you're waiting five years to update, you're doing it wrong
[02:38] <reisio> and as previously stated
[02:38] <reisio> you can wait as long as you want to update
[02:38] <reisio> on any distro
[02:38] <reisio> on any version
[02:38] <FloodBot1> reisio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:38] <reisio> it's entirely your own silly choice :)
[02:38] <judgepg> I dont have a specific aupport issue.  Trying to decide on ubuntu vs debian
[02:38] <duoi> I waited 3 years to update my iPhone from 5.x to 7.x. Worst mistake ever.
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> heh spanked by the bot
[02:39] <phillyj> can I ssh into another PC which is on the same router?
[02:39] <reisio> judgepg: Ubuntu is mostly Debian
[02:39] <duoi> (I should have never done it lol)
[02:39] <reisio> like >80%
[02:39] <reisio> phillyj: usually, yup
[02:40] <reisio> duoi: if it makes you feel better, Android isn't much better :p
[02:40] <reisio> not that it isn't still going to crush iOS
[02:40] <phillyj> reisio: i'm trying but i get connection refused
[02:40] <reisio> phillyj: sure the IP is right?
[02:40] <phillyj> reisio: i guess so, i pinged it and that works
[02:42] <phillyj> reisio: is it supposed to ssh thru port 22?
[02:42] <reisio> yeah 22 is default
[02:42] <abaddon> judgepg: Both are good. But ubuntu is just easyer imho. Though if you're paranoid about your info in Canonicals hands go for Debian
[02:43] <phillyj> reisio: i read something about needing keys; can that be the problem?
[02:43] <reisio> phillyj: I s'pose it's possible
[02:43] <esde> only if it matters to you
[02:44] <reisio> 'fraid I'm not familiar with any eccentricities of Ubuntu vis-a-vis ssh
[02:45] <texla> Ubuntu-12.04.3..I have 2 hard drives wdc-250gb and seagate-80 gb..I have a chatting at time..ran smartmontools and both passed...How can I find out which drive is the culprit
[02:45] <reisio> texla: you hear a "chatting" sound?
[02:45] <abaddon> judgepg: But if you're concerned about your info in Canonicals hands just build your distro from the ground up using Ubuntu-builder.
[02:46] <texla> reisio, Yes intermittantly
[02:46] <abaddon> judgepg: Thataway you know exactly what is in your sys more or less
[02:46] <reisio> texla: unplug a drive, observe sounds
[02:46] <reisio> repeat as necessary
[02:47] <texla> reisio, Okay thanks
[02:48] <xxlen> http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/spotflux-for-ubuntu
[02:48] <zykotick9> judgepg: try both, decide for yourself!  fyi, non lts ubuntu releases are supported for 9 months (i believe)
[02:48] <xxlen> a petition to get spotflux to develop a sick vpn client for Ubunut
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> !spam | xxlen
[02:49] <xxlen> wilee-nilee
[02:49] <xxlen> no
[02:49] <wilee-nilee> xxlen, thats spam here
[02:49] <genii> xxlen: This is tech support channel.
[02:49] <xxlen> how do I get ubuntu community  to see that?
[02:50] <genii> xxlen: Post it on the forums
[02:50] <xxlen> genii, cool
[02:52] <wilee-nilee> spotflux does not even have a linux version
[02:52] <duoi> wilee-nilee, i think the intention is to make a version for linux (or, at least, debian/ubuntu)
[02:53] <naz> is there a play on linux/wine channel?
[02:53] <wilee-nilee> duoi, It would help if they were even willing. https://spotflux.zendesk.com/entries/22963596-Can-you-support-Linux-
[02:54] <bazhang> #winehq naz
[02:54] <duoi> wilee-nilee, it seems like they are, for specific distros. It explains why the request was tailored towards Ubuntu.
[02:56] <wilee-nilee> duoi, what is said on a support site and what is done are hardly correlations, I wont hold my breath, lol.
[02:56] <duoi> here is a question: how far away is Ubuntu from Debian? that is, would packages that are developed Ubuntu work for Debian out-of-the-box?
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> oh boy more polls
[02:57] <zykotick9> duoi: no.
[02:58] <duoi> zykotick9, how about the other way (Deb -> Ubuntu)?
[02:58] <zykotick9> duoi: no.
[02:58] <zykotick9> duoi: ubuntu is "based on" debian, but they are VERY different.
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> the OS's are hardly different the rhetoric is
[03:01] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: that's NOT true...
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> just my opinion, quite subjective.
[03:02] <xangua> there is certain commintment if you are refering about that...software center is incluided in debian repositories http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/software-center duoi
[03:02] <abaddon> zykotick9: I'm interested in hearing why not? I've seen deb pkgs work fine in ubu and vise versa.
[03:03] <reisio> vice :)
[03:03] <reisio> pronounced 'weekay'
[03:03] <reisio> weekay worseuh
[03:03] <abaddon> resure: grammer natzi XD
[03:03] <reisio> grammarrrrrr
[03:03] <reisio> like a pyrate
[03:03] <abaddon> resure: SPEKLLING* natzi XD
[03:04] <abaddon> reisio: .... T.T
[03:04] <zykotick9> abaddon: ya, that's true.  sometime they can work, but usually not so much.  ubuntu is based off debian sid/testing - packages for sid/testing will typically NOT work in debian's real release = stable.  so packages for ubuntu are expected VERY different versions from debian stable...
[03:04] <reisio> Debian stable isn't something you'd want if your friends are going to be constantly saying "hey look at this stupid Flash thing or hey let's talk on skyp"
[03:05] <reisio> which is how it is for most people
[03:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: Thank you for the explanation. I wondered why they sometimes worked fine
[03:05] <reisio> hence testing
[03:05] <zykotick9> abaddon: "sometime" it'll work fine, but that is NOT the rule!
[03:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: True XD
[03:06] <abaddon> reisio: bwahahahahahahahaha Very true
[03:07] <researcher123> is it possible to install file with extension tar.xz
[03:07]  * wilee-nilee proclaims linux is linux, and runs to hide
[03:07] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: s/linux/gnu-linux/ :p
[03:07] <reisio> researcher123: yeah, but not necessarily sensible
[03:07] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: It's ok budd, I'm in the same boat
[03:07] <xangua> zykotick9: s/linux/"gnu/linux"
[03:07] <CADBOT> Hi all somewhere I saw a guide for installing windows on top of ubuntu (I know in advance that's not the preferred way), any point in the right direction?
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> gnu-linux is rhetoric though
[03:08] <CADBOT> I know I have to do something to fix the bootloader after I do it
[03:08] <researcher123> reisio: where can I get these details?
[03:08] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: do you think android is teh same as ubuntu?
[03:08] <CADBOT> And I think I might have to make some partitions
[03:08] <abaddon> zykotick9: same base, though the pkgs need some work
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Android is part linux?, not sure to be honest, I use it biut have not torn it apart
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> but*
[03:09] <reisio> researcher123: what's it for?
[03:09] <zykotick9> abaddon: android is linux but NOT gnu/linux... don't expect apps from one to run on the other.
[03:09] <linuxlite1983> hi
[03:09] <reisio> most people are familiar with gnu/linux and consider "linux" to be gnu/linux
[03:09] <reisio> it's a HUGE difference
[03:09] <reisio> GNU is by far the more relevant part of the OS
[03:09] <zykotick9> reisio: +1
[03:09] <wilee-nilee> it's difference is a rhetoric though, a belief
[03:09] <linuxlite1983> im using linux for almost half a year
[03:10] <reisio> zykotick9++
[03:10] <reisio> wilee-nilee: what? :p
[03:10] <reisio> it used to be rhetoric
[03:10] <abaddon> zykotick9: Which is why I said it'd need work. Though, you can run a light version of linux using an emu.... Mind, that's a diff matter
[03:10] <reisio> but since Android is a Linux distro and not a GNU/Linux distro
[03:10] <wilee-nilee> reisio, there is open and closed source linux.
[03:10] <linuxlite1983> and when i turn my computer it takes 3-4 mins is it normal
[03:10] <reisio> and since Android is quite prevalent now
[03:10] <reisio> it actually matters more than ever
[03:11] <zykotick9> reisio: :) +1 (again!)
[03:11] <researcher123> reisio: its for project planning planner-0.14.6.tar.xz
[03:11] <linuxlite1983> it takes 3-4 before my linuxlite loads
[03:11] <abaddon> reisio: Gnu is not the more relevent part. You need BOTH to work.
[03:11] <linuxlite1983> back when i installed it 6 mons ago. it only takes 10-20 seconds
[03:11] <xangua> !ot
[03:11] <reisio> researcher123: that's probably in the Ubuntu repos
[03:11] <reisio> researcher123: check
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> anyone?
[03:12] <reisio> abaddon: not really, GNU has its own kernel
[03:12] <researcher123> reisio: I want to install it on web server
[03:12] <wafflejockTablet> CADBOT: !grub
[03:12] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, you might wanna check to see how big your logs are
[03:12] <reisio> abaddon: Linux needed GNU a lot more
[03:12] <reisio> researcher123: an Ubuntu web server?
[03:12] <wafflejockTablet> !grub | CADBOT
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> how?can u tell me how?
[03:12] <researcher123> reisio: yes
[03:12] <reisio> researcher123: sudo apt-get install planner
[03:12] <linuxlite1983> wheatthin?
[03:13] <Foxhoundz> Where does Ubuntu store php.ini
[03:13] <reisio> researcher123: or do you mean you're trying to avoid GUI stuff?
[03:13] <researcher123> reisio: ok.thanks
[03:13] <reisio> Foxhoundz: dpkg -L php | grep -i ini, or ask apt-file
[03:13] <abaddon> reisio: Which was more or less a failure which is why Linux is used. No one wants just a kernal and just haveing the progs without the kernal is pointless. So nether is more relevent.
[03:13] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, by opening a terminal, and going into /var/log and typing ls -l
[03:13] <duoi> All hail Richard Stallman, down with Linus
[03:13] <reisio> abaddon: nah, it just didn't exist when Linux did
[03:13] <reisio> yes, GNU is about 80 bajillion times more software than Linux
[03:14] <abaddon> reisio: They had like...70% done by the time Linux came in the pic
[03:14] <Foxhoundz> reisio: root@stage:~# dpkg -L php
[03:14] <Foxhoundz> Package `php' is not installed.
[03:14] <reisio> GNU is the reason your OS is pretty great, and Android constantly explodes
[03:14] <Duel-Travis> what is the command in the chat to login?
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> hmm, my android had never exploded
[03:14] <reisio> Duel-Travis: /msg nickserv help identify
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> has*
[03:15] <reisio> Foxhoundz: might have a number in its name, dpkg -l | grep -i php
[03:15] <reisio> wilee-nilee: then how do you explain Venus?!
[03:15] <duoi> it should be called "GNU!!!!! (plus linux..)"
[03:15] <wafflejockTablet> Foxhoundz: usually /etc/php5/
[03:15] <reisio> eh, I call it Unix until it matters
[03:15] <xangua> !ot
[03:15] <reisio> which is almost never
[03:15] <Foxhoundz> found it thanks
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Never used it, not sure the reference.
[03:15] <reisio> wilee-nilee: it's a planet
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> hehe never been there with a chemical boost
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> without*
[03:16] <zykotick9> duoi: while "I" might agree with you, i don't think #ubuntu is the right forum to bring up these points (mainly falls on deaf ears).  :)
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> this is what i got alternatives.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> apt
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> auth.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> boot
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> boot.log
[03:16] <linuxlite1983> bootstrap.log
[03:16] <FloodBot1> linuxlite1983: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:17] <abaddon> reisio: GNU IS great, but it's not the most relevent. I prefer to think them both relevent as neher would be useful without the other
[03:17] <yeyeman> how do I make my own command that I can run from anywhere? Like ls or python or whatever?
[03:17] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1983: cat boot.log | less
[03:17] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, forgive me, but I'm not accepting any files from irc :)
[03:17] <reisio> abaddon: they're both relevant, but they're not both 50.00000% relevant, one is more relevant :p and now I will let xangua have his way
[03:18] <reisio> yeyeman: echo $PATH
[03:18] <reisio> yeyeman: you can put a script into any of those directories, or modify PATH, or give your shell a function ('help function')
[03:18] <reisio> or eben an alias ('help alias')
[03:19] <yeyeman> reisio, interesting
[03:19] <abaddon> reisio: Meh, just my preference.
[03:19] <wafflejockTablet> yeyeman > !path
[03:19] <zykotick9> reisio: ~/bin should be suggested for most personal scripts...
[03:19] <reisio> ~/bin/ works
[03:19] <abaddon> reisio: Btw xangua?? What have his way?
[03:20] <wafflejockTablet> !path | yeyeman
[03:20] <reisio> abaddon: exactly
[03:20] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440812/
[03:20] <yeyeman> go
[03:20] <linuxlite1983> can u check it?
[03:21] <linuxlite1983> wheatthin?
[03:21] <kaksddkf> how to change default drivers of ubuntu, i want to use  paragon ntfs drivers as default instead of ntfs-3g
[03:21] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440801/
[03:22] <linuxlite1983> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6440812/
[03:23] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, I don't want to see them, I want to see how large they are ;).. then we'll see then which ones we want to look at.
[03:23] <wheatthin> linuxlite1983, make sense?
[03:23] <CountryfiedLinux> Which part of this is my sound card?
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> robert@robert-HP-Pavilion-g7-Notebook-PC:~$ lspci | grep "Audio" #
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity HDMI Audio Controller
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller (rev 01)
[03:24] <FloodBot1> CountryfiedLinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> FloodBot1, 3 lines of text
[03:24] <kaksddkf> paragon NTFS are performing more than twice as compared with ntfs-3g
[03:24] <researcher123> reisio: on my server how do i get the command line to run sudo apt-get install planner? any other way?
[03:24] <wheatthin> CountryfiedLinux, Azalia Controller
[03:24] <CountryfiedLinux> wheatthin, Thanks. FloodBot1 is a nazi haha. I could understand several lines, but 3?
[03:25] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1983: u prob want to run dmesg and look through that as well there are also some syslog guis
[03:25] <kaksddkf> so, i want to make them as default and i don't know the way to make them default
[03:25] <zykotick9> researcher123: what's wrong with "sudo apt-get install planner"?
[03:26] <zykotick9> researcher123: "sudo aptitude install planner"?
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> reisio, For the record if you question of venus I could give you the physics explanation, however it is a hypothesis. ;)
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> of your*
[03:26] <researcher123> zykotick9: want to install it on linux web server. No CLI seen here
[03:27] <zykotick9> researcher123: a web server with a gui-only install?
[03:27] <wafflejockTablet> researcher123: u need ssh access
[03:27] <researcher123> zykotick9: seems
[03:27] <zykotick9> researcher123: good luck with that...
[03:27] <researcher123> wafflejock:ok
[03:28] <abaddon> .Hey, got a question. When can we expect to be able to use Watland on Ubuntu? I know Canonical is going with Meir rather than Wayland but it should work fine on ubu, right?
[03:28] <abaddon> *Wayland
[03:29]  * reisio prefers calmotheses
[03:29] <kaksddkf> wafflejock: will you help me regarding some driver issue?
[03:29] <zykotick9> abaddon: i wouldn't hold my breath for wayland (or mir) on ubuntu if i was you...
[03:29] <linuxlite1991> im back im linuxlite1983
[03:29] <abaddon> zykotick9: Why?
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> ah, just garbage, oh well.
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> kaksddkf: sorry don't know much about it except basics of modprobe
[03:30] <zykotick9> abaddon: maybe, you could hold your breath for mir.  wayland... that's a big question mark.
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> !modprobe
[03:30] <abaddon> zykotick9: ???
[03:30] <wafflejockTablet> Nope nothin
[03:30] <diamonds> hiya
[03:30] <zykotick9> abaddon: i believe mir should be in the next release of ubuntu... but maybe no?!?!
[03:30] <diamonds> http://pastie.org/8491537
[03:31] <diamonds> ^ my "done" callback isn't running ever
[03:31] <wafflejockTablet> linuxlite1991: time travel nice trick
[03:31] <kaksddkf> wafflejockTablet: thanks
[03:31] <abaddon> zykotick9: Why is that?
[03:31] <abaddon> zykotick9: I'm excited for something "new".
[03:31] <linuxlite1991> hahahahaha
[03:31] <diamonds> "doneFunction"
[03:32] <zykotick9> abaddon: based on history, mir was suppose to be in the last release - but wasn't ready.  why would ubuntu use wayland... when they are developing their own version or an xorg replacement?
[03:32] <linuxlite1991> my problem is still dsame
[03:32] <diamonds> oops wrong chan methings
[03:32] <abaddon> zykotick9: Yeah, but wayland should still work on Ubu without Canon backing it?
[03:33] <zykotick9> abaddon: wrong! it'll ONLY work in ubuntu/canonical decide to support it.
[03:33] <zykotick9> s/in/if/
[03:33] <abaddon> zykotick9: That's like saying xchat wont work unless Canon supports it?
[03:34] <zykotick9> abaddon: which is true...
[03:34] <abaddon> zykotick9: They can't stop compatability can they?
[03:34] <zykotick9> abaddon: they do all the time?!?!
[03:34] <abaddon> zykotick9: Like what?
[03:35] <zykotick9> abaddon: they don't package it = not supported.
[03:35] <abaddon> zykotick9: You're saying I can't make a base and port it to Ubu 'cause of Canon?
[03:35] <sprung> or like how the Amazon search spyware Canonical put in Ubuntu wont work unless Canon supports it?
[03:35] <zykotick9> abaddon: supported and possible are not the samething.
[03:36] <abaddon> zykotick9: Right, I get that, so my question is when will Wayland be up and running assuming they complete it?
[03:36] <sprung> https://fixubuntu.com/
[03:36] <zykotick9> abaddon: i doubt wayland will be packaged in ubuntu... but maybe.  ask mark.
[03:37] <sprung> please make sure you install unity-lens-shopping
[03:37] <sprung> so canonical can make money
[03:37] <abaddon> zykotick9: Sooo...what is it being supported on? And who is mark?
[03:37] <zykotick9> abaddon: Mark is the dictator (for life) of ubuntu.
[03:38] <abaddon> zykotick9: Doy me. XD
[03:38] <sprung> even Red Hat doesn't steal your private information and sell it to Amazon
[03:38] <sprung> shame on you Canonical
[03:39] <zykotick9> ops can someone deal with sprung?
[03:39] <sprung> www.fixbuntu.com
[03:39] <abaddon> zykotick9: But I don't get it. If I develope a program, how is Canon going to stop compatability? It's open software?
[03:39] <wafflejock> abaddon: he's saying they don't offer support for it
[03:39] <wafflejock> not that they can stop you from making it work
[03:39] <zykotick9> wafflejock: +1
[03:40] <onizu> hi
[03:40] <wafflejock> onizu: hello
[03:41] <abaddon> wafflejock: zykotick9 OHHHHH, I thought...nvm.... X.X I thought he was implying it wouldn't work 'cause of that. I just wanted to know when Wayland will be functional enough to use. I'm assuming they'll have a Ubu version ready.
[03:41] <onizu> can someone help me install my onboard graphic accelerator : nvidia geforce gt 540m ?
[03:41] <zykotick9> abaddon: again, i wouldn't hold your breath for a wayland implementation on ubuntu.
[03:42] <abaddon> zykotick9: They not making a version for Ubu?
[03:42] <abaddon> damb
[03:42] <onizu> i had trouble with nouveau and to to install using nomodeset . now after installing, i tried installing bumblebee but it didn't seem to work. my guess it several drivers were clashing with each other.
[03:42] <zykotick9> abaddon: that's up to mark.
[03:42] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah really if they're going with a major overhaul in one direction it's not likely they will build support for another big part, it doesn't mean you can't use other distros
[03:42] <linuxlite1991> i love windows!!!!
[03:42] <linuxlite1991> hahahaha!!!
[03:43] <abaddon> zykotick9: wafflejock Ahhh...well...I kinda like Ubu...even with its major faults
[03:43] <linuxlite1991> windows is shit!!! bill gates is SHIT!!!! say ah if u agree
[03:44] <io> !language
[03:44] <abaddon> !ot linuxlite1991
[03:44] <abaddon> !OT linuxlite1991
[03:44] <abaddon> ???
[03:44] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah I'm in between at this point... have used kubuntu for a bit but just saying if you want to try other stuff it's out there
[03:44] <zykotick9> !ot | abaddon
[03:45] <abaddon> !ot | linuxlite1991
[03:45] <abaddon> zykotick9: Thx
[03:45] <zykotick9> :)
[03:45] <linuxlite1991> fuck bill gates. kill that madafucker hahahaha! why buy crappy shit if you have linux bitch!!!
[03:46] <abaddon> wafflejock: I know, but I built ubu from ground up so was excited to hear about Wayland coming up...maybe coming up. Who knows, I might get it to work. =P Alright, I'm done with the pestering. Lets get back to helping people
[03:47] <onizu> someone help me
[03:47] <onizu> with installing my nvidia graphics
[03:47] <abaddon> onizu: Sup?
[03:47] <abaddon> mmm
[03:47] <onizu> abaddon: see my messages above
[03:48] <abaddon> onizu: XD I did , sorry
[03:48] <onizu> np
[03:48] <abaddon> onizu: Anyway, what have you tried?
[03:48] <onizu> tried installing bumblebee
[03:48] <onizu> didn't work. so i uninstalled all nvidia that came with it
[03:48] <Corvette> Hey can someone help me? Suddenly my laptop running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS says 'Wired Connection ; Disconnected' in the WiFi menu and doesn't display any WiFi
[03:49] <abaddon> onizu: Errr... is bumblebee the driver version?
[03:49] <reisio> Corvette: find the hardware wireless disable switch, and toggle it
[03:49] <abaddon> onizu: Uh huh, and you've got no gui?
[03:49] <Corvette> reisio did that
[03:49] <Corvette> reisio several times
[03:49] <abaddon> no0p: Correct?
[03:49] <onizu> abaddon: i have
[03:50] <onizu> this is what i have: http://ubuntuone.com/2v622ZnWZM8QJGe9WodPbT
[03:50] <reisio> Corvette: make sure it's turned on, then reboot
[03:50] <abaddon> onizu: Ahh, ok...so did you try through terminal to install bumblebee or through Nvidia's site?
[03:50] <onizu> abaddon: terminal
[03:51] <zykotick9> Corvette: if you dual-boot with windows, boot that other OS and see if it's enabled there.
[03:51] <abaddon> onizu: Why not try through their site and dl their deb file?
[03:51] <onizu> abaddon: i downloaded a .run file
[03:51] <onizu> but can't seem to run it really
[03:51] <lostlamb> greetings, I'm trying to install potent poinsettia (or something of that ilk) to my alienware laptop, but keep receiving an error about not having the graphics card drivers.  This wouldn't be an issue, but after telling it to run in low settings, it crashes.  Is there a work around, or something I'm missing?
[03:52] <onizu> i booted into recovery mode and did : sh NVIDIA.whatever.run
[03:52] <abaddon> onizu: Did you type sudo ./Blahh as your command?
[03:52] <zykotick9> onizu: IMO if you have a .run file - you're using the WRONG strategy!
[03:52] <onizu> it gave some error: can't wrote to /tmp , iirc
[03:52] <Corvette> reisio none of that works
[03:52] <Corvette> zykotick9 I don't dual boot
[03:52] <onizu> abaddon: i was already root
[03:52] <onizu> abaddon: i mean , the prompt was # instead of $
[03:53] <zykotick9> Corvette: best of luck (i don't have any other suggestions for you)
[03:53] <onizu> zykotick9: why is that?
[03:53] <reisio> Corvette: wireless router on?
[03:53] <abaddon> onizu: Ok, but what about trying ./blah.run as your command instead of bash blah.run
[03:53] <Corvette> reisio yes and I can normally pick up neighbors
[03:53] <onizu> abaddon: i'll have to try that - need to kill x
[03:53] <abaddon> onizu: Sounds good
[03:54] <reisio> Corvette: run an update recently?
[03:54] <zykotick9> onizu: this is debian's dpkg bot's factoid for "why nvidia installer sucks": nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted.  Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break.  If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly.
[03:54] <Corvette> reisio yes today
[03:54] <zykotick9>  nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, ad has NO CONCEPT of package management.  We recommend against using it based on extensive experience.  USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES.  Ask me abo.ut <nvidia>.
[03:54] <Corvette> reisio and it did say stuff about wireless security
[03:55] <abaddon> I've not heard of that b4 but better to listen to zykotick9 on this one onizu
[03:55] <reisio> Corvette: well, that's probably the culprit, then
[03:55] <Corvette> reisio how do I downgrade
[03:56] <reisio> ask the channel
[03:56] <zykotick9> abaddon: onizu left :|
[03:56] <Corvette> How do I undo an apt update I did today
[03:56] <abaddon> zykotick9: XD I hope my method works mat least
[03:56] <Corvette> It seems to have killed my wifi capability
[03:57] <abaddon> zykotick9: Does ati have the same prob as nvidia?
[03:57] <BuntuFuntu> Hmm, havent had to update since yesterday. Usually for me theres updates available in the morning ;o
[03:57] <zykotick9> abaddon: i avoid ATI (enemy of free software) so i wouldn't know.
[03:58] <lostlamb> pardon, I don't mean to intrude again, but I'm still not certain how to get past the low graphics option when installing ubuntu on my alienware laptop.  After it doesn't find the graphics drivers,it sort of just hangs after attempting to go to low graphics until it's powere.
[03:58] <abaddon> zykotick9: I ask because I'm using ATI's drivers rather than the open ones. Really? ATI??? T.T And I like them so much....
[03:59] <zykotick9> abaddon: fyi, with amd/ati, you can't use "free" 3d drivers = fail IMO
[04:00] <abaddon> zykotick9: Hince why I'm useing the propriatary ones. XD
[04:00] <zykotick9> abaddon: nvidia has supported both gnu/linux and BSD for YEARS.  amd/ati was LATE in that game (i'm talking about non-free here).
[04:01] <zykotick9> abaddon: fyi, my first 3d support under gnu/linux WAS on an ATI card... that was a long time ago.
[04:01] <onizu> abaddon: it didn't work
[04:01] <abaddon> zykotick9: But 'ol Linus is famous for saying "Fuck you Nvidia"?? I kinda got the impression they were not the most helpful
[04:01] <Duel-Travis> can I  set like auto join channels?
[04:01] <zykotick9> !doesntwork | onizu
[04:02] <zykotick9> abaddon: ya, and Linux is NOT a friend to free software!
[04:02] <onizu> zykotick9: i had been in conversation with abaddon a moment ago. he knows what i'm talking about
[04:02] <abaddon> onizu: What happened? And, zykotick9 , can you repeat what you said up top please
[04:02] <zykotick9> abaddon: sorry typo s/linux/linus/
[04:02] <wafflejockTablet> Duel-Travis: depends on the irc client
[04:02] <Duel-Travis> x chat
[04:02] <onizu> abaddon: i took a pic, hold on
[04:02] <Duel-Travis> wafflejockTablet, Yea x-chat
[04:03] <wafflejockTablet> I use quassel in KDE so not sure
[04:03] <wafflejockTablet> It does automatically
[04:03] <zykotick9> onizu: abaddon ? best of luck to both of you!
[04:03] <Duel-Travis> is there a x-chat irc client?
[04:04] <zykotick9> Duel-Travis: xchat
[04:04] <abaddon> zykotick9: Don't leave me, I need you
[04:04] <zykotick9> abaddon: ;) not going anywhere
[04:04] <abaddon> onizu: Alright, tell me when it's up
[04:05] <abaddon> zykotick9: Oh, thought you were going. nvm
[04:05] <lostlamb> :\
[04:05] <zykotick9> lostlamb: what's "lspci -v | grep -i vga"?
[04:06] <abaddon> onizu: May I ask you why you don't wish to use then open drivers?
[04:06] <VLanX> badger, sprung: it was indeed bad RAM
[04:06] <VLanX> 37K errors at 25% so far
[04:06] <lostlamb> I don't recall it posting anything like that during the installation process.  it seems to get hung up on after checking the power status or something like that.
[04:07] <onizu> abaddon: my phone's not uploading :/
[04:07] <onizu> i gotta go to work, ttyl
[04:07] <onizu> sorry
[04:07] <lostlamb> stays like that until you hit the power button then it releases packages and shuts down.
[04:08] <wafflejock> Duel-Travis: http://quassel-irc.org/ <== that one saves your server connections and channels on close and rejoins
[04:08] <lostlamb> would having two monitors interfere with the installation process?
[04:08] <abaddon> I get saved by the bell...woohoo.
[04:08] <wafflejock> lostlamb: could
[04:08] <wafflejock> lostlamb: I've only had problems with 3 monitors hooked up get some CRTC error or something...
[04:08] <sandman13> is there a way to access .mozilla
[04:09] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's in your home folder you can use Ctrl+H in nautilus to show hidden files
[04:09] <zykotick9> sandman13: try "cd ~/.mozilla"
[04:09] <wafflejock> or ls -al at the command line
[04:09] <wafflejock> or Ctrl+. in dolphin
[04:09] <wafflejock> er alt rather dang
[04:09] <lostlamb> hmm, well it's only one outside of the laptop screen, so I wouldn't think it'd effect anything.
[04:10] <sandman13> wafflejock: ctrl+h show hidden files or...
[04:10] <lostlamb> if both are up and running though, the code stops on the laptop, and the mouse freezes on the monitor.
[04:10] <wafflejock> sandman13: ls -al
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: at the command line to list all files including hidden and long format including permissinos
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: so if you do, cd ~
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: ls-al
[04:11] <azio_m> 41,168,737,955 bytes on ubuntu… 41,218,778,228 bytes on mac after copying. does that mean the copy wasn't 100% precise?
[04:11] <wafflejock> ls -al
[04:11] <sandman13> wafflejock: done thanks
[04:11] <wafflejock> sandman13: k
[04:12] <wafflejock> azio_m: not necessarily
[04:12] <wafflejock> azio_m: check with md5sum
[04:12] <abaddon> wafflejock: quick tip. You don't need to type cd ~ to get to home. cd will do the job as well
[04:12] <wafflejock> abaddon: ah right just never think about that did stumble on it at some point though
[04:13] <abaddon> wafflejock: XD Also, l -al would be nicer if he just wants to see the files rather than all the info.
[04:13] <abaddon> wafflejock: Just my two cents
[04:14] <zykotick9> abaddon: actually "l -al" won't show anything :p
[04:14] <zykotick9> abaddon: ;)
[04:14] <abaddon>  zykotick9 ummm....>.> it works for me....
[04:14] <abaddon> zykotick9: sorry, wrong person
[04:15] <abaddon> wafflejock: ummm....>.> it works for me....
[04:15] <zykotick9> abaddon: really? i get "Unknown option -al"
[04:15] <abaddon> zykotick9: ??????????? I SWEAR IT WORKS????
[04:15] <wafflejock> abaddon: actually I didn't say it didn't work... and it does work for me but does the same as ls -al
[04:16] <zykotick9> abaddon: i'd say you have an alias i don't have ;)
[04:16] <abaddon> wafflejock: un momento por favor
[04:16] <dreamx87> so I installed ubuntu on a toshiba Satelite C655, but it's not picking up the network card driver at all, it won't recognize (mount) external devices (usb/cd) while in ubuntu, any clues how to get the drivers there via alternative means?
[04:16] <zykotick9> abaddon: that' might be "expected", we are on different distros ;)
[04:16] <abaddon> zykotick9: wafflejock T.T I'm sorry, I'm wrong.
[04:17] <wafflejock> abaddon: no worries
[04:17] <wafflejock> dreamx87: sounds like disparate problems
[04:17] <wafflejock> dreamx87: you should approach each issue separately
[04:18] <wafflejock> dreamx87: generally speaking you want to use lspci or lsusb to get info about your devices (mainly the device id to lookup)
[04:18] <abaddon> wafflejock: It's l -a Derp. I'ma hush now
[04:18] <abaddon> cries in corner
[04:20] <abaddon> wafflejock: will blkid work too for giving device ids?
[04:21] <wheatthin> abaddon, only UUI's of hd's
[04:21] <wheatthin> UUID's*
[04:22] <zykotick9> wheatthin: sidenote, i find LABELS a lot easier to work with then UUIDs.  YMMV.
[04:22] <abaddon> wheatthin: Is not the UUID the device id? Or is it HW:0,9, etc?
[04:22] <wafflejock> abaddon: no slightly different
[04:22] <wheatthin> it'll say devid :P
[04:23] <abaddon> wafflejock: Ahhh....
[04:23] <wafflejock> !uuid | abaddon
[04:25] <abaddon> wafflejock: May I ask then what the Id would be?
[04:25] <wafflejock> abaddon: you mean the device id I referred to up there?
[04:26] <abaddon> wafflejock: Yes please
[04:26] <abaddon> !id | abaddon
[04:27] <hamiltont> Does anyone know a rapid-setup web server for serving a directory?
[04:27] <hamiltont> I'm auto-creating some documentation and I'd like to serve it up
[04:27] <unicornjedi> helloo, I created a subdomain with freeDNS. How can I use it so that it points to my IP address?
[04:27] <wafflejock> abaddon: the first 7 characters from lspci or after the ID word in the lsusb output are numbers that correspond to the hardware
[04:28] <wafflejock> abaddon: they both also give human readable names of the devices
[04:28] <wafflejock> unicornjedi: where are you stuck? do you know your IP?
[04:28] <wheatthin> it'll be in a ration sequence
[04:28] <sandman13> i downloaded xdm accidently is there a way to remove it
[04:28] <wheatthin> ratio*
[04:28] <unicornjedi> wafflejock, I know my IP.  I have my apache2 server set up as well.
[04:28] <Ben64> unicornjedi: thats really not an ubuntu issue, check with freedns or maybe ##networking or something
[04:28] <abaddon> wafflejock: Hmmm, ok.
[04:30] <unicornjedi> wafflejock, if I type in my subdomain in firefox (swagdogs.mooo.com) I can see the webpage but noone else can
[04:30] <wheatthin> unicornjedi, although that's a networking issue, You'll use your external IP address while creating a subdomain with your dns provider. Then you go configure apache to use that dns
[04:30] <adam_> where can I find the SSL module for apache2? I'd like to apt-get it
[04:31] <adam_> ie, what ppa do I need to add
[04:31] <hamiltont> wafflejock: just to be sure, you want to check that your IP address a public IP address. Easy way is to open a terminal and do this: "curl ifconfig.me"
[04:31] <wafflejock> adam_: believe you need openssl not to add a ppa
[04:31] <Ben64> unicornjedi: you really should be asking in ##networking
[04:31] <adam_> oh. I'll google for that
[04:31] <hamiltont> oops, meant to ping unicornjedi , sorry!
[04:31] <adam_> thanks
[04:31] <wafflejock> hamiltont: np just confused
[04:31] <wafflejock> :)
[04:31] <hamiltont> Yea my bad ;-)
[04:31] <unicornjedi> okay ill head over to networking. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[04:32] <hamiltont> unicornjedi: So it's pretty simple over all, but the "normal" home setup can be one of the hardest to get right
[04:33] <hamiltont> Your home router needs to know how to allow incoming port 80 traffic to be "port forwarded" to your computer
[04:33] <wheatthin> nah, you just have to setup the alias to use that subdomain.. not too hard
[04:33] <hamiltont> (if you're not on a home network e.g. you're using a server, then it's even easier)
[04:33] <Ben64> take it to ##networking
[04:33] <joossee_> I keep having GUI programs crash in ubuntu 12.04. Things like firefox, transmission, and mupen64plus.. all seem to be around and ewrror "... crashed with SIGSEGV in XQuesryExtension()" can someone help me out?
[04:34] <unicornjedi> hamiltont, haha, that's right. whenever I am on my website, I tie up my local area network
[04:34] <sandman13> i downloaded xdm accidently is there a way to remove it
[04:34] <hamiltont> Fair enough. Ben's right though, drop this into the other channel and we can resume there
[04:34] <wafflejock> sandman13: anything you install with apt-get install you can remove with apt-get remove or apt-get purge
[04:35] <Ben64> joossee_: give more details. how you installed ubuntu, what the computer is, any ppas you might have
[04:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: purge gets rid of binaries and config, remove just the binaries but leaves config
[04:35] <abaddon> Does anyone know how to switch to a pm on weechat?
[04:35] <sandman13> thanks wafflejock apt-get remove did the work
[04:36] <wafflejock> sandman13: np
[04:36] <wheatthin> abaddon, read the documentation or manpage.
[04:36] <abaddon> wheatthin: Did that, man page is well...not helpful
[04:36] <wheatthin> then google.
[04:37] <abaddon> wheatthin: righteo
[04:38] <sandman13> wafflejock: is there any alternative to internet download manager in ubuntu
[04:38] <DRiceTech> hey guys, I'm having a problem with Server 13.10 - anytime I do a restart or reboot, the computer shuts down - i have to manually restart the server
[04:38] <wafflejock> sandman13: there are some alternatives like synaptic but I generally prefer just dropping to the command line personally
[04:38] <wafflejock> sandman13: I only use the package managers if I want to selectively update or something like that in most cases... or I just want to browse occasionally
[04:39] <wafflejock> sandman13: I'm on KDE now so the default is Muon... it's fine I suppose, feel indifferent about it
[04:39] <gartral> where is ia32-libs for 13.10? I really need that package
[04:39] <sandman13> wafflejock: more like capturing audio and video files from the web pages like youtube
[04:40] <xsi_> How to install PHP PDO?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, it is on this page, hehe thae bind of using a cli client, good luck. http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html
[04:40] <xsi_> apt-get pdo?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> the*
[04:40] <wafflejock> sandman13: ah that kind of download... eh well there's sites that will do it for you and sent you the file... but not really something that can be supported here
[04:40] <gartral> hey all, I need a working solution for combining jack and pulse..
[04:40] <allstarsnorks2> Does this support custom distros that look and act like Ubuntu 13.10?
[04:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: i have heard of xtreme download manager but need someone to verify it
[04:41] <wafflejock> xsi_: it's in there by default
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2 This channel?
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> Like using Relinux and such
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> Yep
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Canonical ubuntu only.
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> or Canonical releases
[04:41] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Thank you
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, no prob.
[04:41] <allstarsnorks2> So Ubuntu distros that are custom made are not considered Canonical Ubuntu?
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, No they are derivatives.
[04:42] <wafflejock> xsi_: you just need to enable the appropraite modules between your php.ini and your apache config
[04:42] <allstarsnorks2> Was about to ask the install error but okay then
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, there is a ##linux channel and some for derivatives.
[04:43] <wafflejock> xsi_: if you're looking for mysql support search the php.ini for mysql to see where the modules need to be uncommented if they are commented out currently
[04:43] <xsi_> wafflejock I'm confused with windows's .dll files in php.ini (on my Gentoo) and 100% sure it's on a friend's Ubuntu
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: the config files have some generic stuff that is preconfigured based on windows installs you need to correct sometimes
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: not many places but there are a few
[04:44] <wafflejock> xsi_: mostly when it comes to paths and the like
[04:45] <wafflejock> xsi_: believe all of that stuff is commented out by default though so it all still works fine
[04:46] <Nuclear_muffin> I was installing a game in wine through steam, and when it was installing .netframework or whatever, it told me it requires 2097 Mb's but only 0 is available.
[04:46] <allstarsnorks2> By the way, how do I make XFCE my default desktop emvironment?
[04:47] <xsi_> wafflejock ok )
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, choose it at the login window and login it will default there then.
[04:47] <xsi_> Who uses here Openbox I have very old bug
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Have you install XFCE?
[04:47] <allstarsnorks2> It's that easy? Wow.
[04:48] <allstarsnorks2> I haven't, on my phone now.
[04:48] <greyhatpython> Is this True? Pros And Cons Of Ubuntu : http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=121562
[04:48] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, gotta install it first.
[04:48] <allstarsnorks2> I know
[04:49] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2,unless it is part of the xubunutu install which I believe it is, look at the dropdown at the login.
[04:49] <allstarsnorks2> sudo apt-get update. After that, sudo apt-get install xfce4 right?
[04:49] <maxklim> hi all!
[04:49] <allstarsnorks2> wilee-nilee I'm using Ubuntu 13.10
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, correct, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[04:50] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Mmmm...yup
[04:50] <allstarsnorks2> Great.
[04:51] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Welll...you can use a diffrent Desktop enviro
[04:51] <abaddon> greyhatpython: so you can remove the spyware easily
[04:52] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: yeah it's a lot of hype
[04:52] <greyhatpython> So the default is spyware?
[04:52] <abaddon> greyhatpython: ...imho...yeah, I bet it is
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> !fud
[04:53] <abaddon> greyhatpython: wilee-nilee Ok ok ok, sorry
[04:53] <allstarsnorks2> But will installing xfce4 on Ubuntu give me Xubuntu's look or just stock xfce?
[04:53] <greyhatpython> It is still a spyware even after i disable the online search results?
[04:53] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: the lens does lookups on Amazon and it does log what you're typing in there just like Google logs stuff from your e-mail to tell you when your flight is and YouTube keeps track of what you watch to suggest Ads
[04:53] <abaddon> greyhatpython: Just read up on their polacies and the complaints.
[04:54] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: you can use XUbuntu Kubuntu or some other flavor if you really want to avoid unity otherwise you can remove/disable the functionality
[04:54] <abaddon> greyhatpython: It's a really good os. It just has problems like all other os's out there
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, No more spyware then the rest you are attached to when you hit the web, not really any more than a colloquial term and inaccurate at best.
[04:55] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: I used Ubuntu for quite a while, was sort of off put when Unity came around (we fear change) but then it sort of grew on me... after checking out KDE though I decided I liked the control/customization more
[04:56] <abaddon> greyhatpython: After disabling the stuff you're more or less good.
[04:56] <greyhatpython> ok if it logs just like you said like youtube that means no harm to my privacy
[04:57] <abaddon> Though, you may not like the package called popularity-contest. It sends info about what pkgs you use the most so that Canon can get a beter sense nof what users use
[04:58] <greyhatpython> ok then i don't feel this is a critical issue.
[04:58] <abaddon> greyhatpython: cool, welcome to Ubu
[04:58] <abaddon> =]
[04:58] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: yeah it's not like they're digging up your credit card numbers or watching you through your webcam, that said I personally am a bit paranoid and if I was trying to build a real secure system would start with gentoo or arch or something with less going on but I don't feel it's a huge issue
[04:58] <wheatthin> ehh, invasion of privacy.. lol
[04:58] <greyhatpython> let them know  what package i use because i use open source package itself
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, wave to the nsa as you go about the web. ;)
[04:58] <abaddon> wafflejock: ghas a point greyhatpython
[04:59] <wafflejock> wilee-nilee: better leave them donuts :) Into the Wires from Kevin Mitnick was good
[04:59] <greyhatpython> abaddon welcome to ubuntu? I have been using ubuntu from 8.04!
[04:59] <wilee-nilee> hehe and coffee
[04:59] <abaddon> greyhatpython: XD My mistake, sorry
[05:00] <greyhatpython> abaddon it's ok!
[05:00]  * wilee-nilee thinks privacy is an illusion and has been for a long time.
[05:00] <greyhatpython> One more question? Why TOR is not working in my Ubuntu 13.10?
[05:01] <greyhatpython> I used PPA
[05:01] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: does it just not install?
[05:01] <abaddon> Privacy may be an illusion but I want a darn good one if I gotta put up with it. It's not happening so far though
[05:01] <wafflejock> greyhatpython: might not have a package for your distro/proc
[05:01] <allstarsnorks2> Alright. XFCE4 installed on Ubuntu 13.10. Now, I want it to look like Xubuntu.
[05:02] <greyhatpython> It will install and says connected tor network but says out of date and doesn't launch firefox
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, You want to use the tor browser from there site
[05:02] <wilee-nilee> allstarsnorks2, Then install xubuntu
[05:02] <greyhatpython> The tor browser bundle is out of date and doesn't launch firefox
[05:03] <allstarsnorks2> Damn.
[05:03] <wilee-nilee> greyhatpython, It launches there ff build
[05:03] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: you probably want xubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <allstarsnorks2> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[05:03] <xangua> greyhatpython: tor site recomends the bundle they provide
[05:03] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: should work
[05:03] <wafflejock> my apt-cache search sees it
[05:04] <wafflejock> sounds right
[05:04] <lll> hello
[05:04] <wafflejock> lll: hi
[05:04] <greyhatpython> but the tor bundle says out of date by itself
[05:04] <allstarsnorks2> wafflejock: thanks
[05:04] <abaddon> lll: yoo
[05:04] <wafflejock> allstarsnorks2: np
[05:05] <wheatthin> use torsocks
[05:06] <lll> I want some soft start with the system ,how?
[05:07] <wilee-nilee> lll, Soft start?
[05:07] <lll> guake terminal
[05:07] <lll> a soft
[05:07] <lll> software
[05:08] <wilee-nilee> I don't have the energy to even look that up, be clear.
[05:08] <wheatthin> lll, and please don't use enter as punctuation
[05:08] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: I can try an take this?
[05:09] <wilee-nilee> you don;t have to ask me go for it
[05:09] <lll> I want a software to start with the beginning of system
[05:09] <wafflejock> lll: you can use either the startup section in your system settings or you can use your .profile or .bash_rc script
[05:09] <wafflejock> lll: alternatively you might want to include a startup script in init or init.d but I haven't done that personally
[05:10] <lll> Thank you
[05:10] <wafflejock> !upstart | lll
[05:10] <wafflejock> lll: np
[05:10] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Nvm, wafflejock got him
[05:11] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Do you do this as a job?
[05:11] <sandman13> wafflejock: can you suggest me the download manager that captures audio and video files automatically
[05:11] <xangua> !volunteer | abaddon
[05:12] <xangua> mmm :/
[05:12] <abaddon> xangua: -.- Funny
[05:13] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, Hehe not really just a hobby, I'm in grad school on a totally unrelated study.
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[05:14] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: morning
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: hello mate
[05:14] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: Ahhh, gotcha.
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, more of an obsession tough. ;)
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> though*
[05:15] <wafflejock> yeah this is my chill out after work thing to do lately
[05:15] <wafflejock> trying to help and learning
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: good idea
[05:15] <abaddon> wilee-nilee: I try and help to learn more. XD At the expince of others...he...he...he....
[05:16] <wafflejock> abaddon: that happens sometimes but it can be unfortunate, always need to be cautious when giving out advice
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> best way of learning is solving problems
[05:16] <abaddon> wafflejock: Trust me, I really work on not giving out useless info. I just mess up at times. =/
[05:17] <wafflejock> definitely when you have to explain something you really need to know it so it forces you to get an understanding
[05:17] <wafflejock> abaddon: yeah I hear ya stuff happens (keeping it PG)
[05:17] <abaddon> wafflejock: Heh heh, pg
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> im looking for an alternative to the package 'prey' an anti-theft program for laptops, any sugestions?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !info prey
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> or a script maybe that can email the laptops location every ubuntu boot, would do the trick
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> prey uses online administration and i dont like that very much
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> if someone hacks their online database, they can access all laptops location in the world...that not really the meaning of anti-theft right
[05:22] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: if you configure sendmail to work you can just use mail to send a message I believe
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: but what information would it email?
[05:22] <wheatthin> lotuspsychje, use your imagination.
[05:22] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: good question...
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: im trying to brainstorm about this, but prey is the only thing i found
[05:23] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: perhaps route trace or something not sure about geo ip lookup easily from the command line though
[05:23] <wheatthin> lotuspsychje, that's more of an offtopic subject no?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: no because im looking an ubuntu anti-theft package
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> i need an alternative ubuntu package
[05:24] <wheatthin> lol so go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> why?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> this is ontopic
[05:24] <wheatthin> Is your system stranded or unuseable?
[05:25] <joossee_> I keep having GUI programs crash in ubuntu 12.04. Things like firefox, transmission, and mupen64plus.. all seem to be around and ewrror "... crashed with SIGSEGV in XQuesryExtension()" can someone help me out?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: users come here for sugestions of software also, not only broken things
[05:26] <wheatthin> lol Support not suggestions.
[05:26] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Have you booted a live cd/usb to see if it happens there?
[05:26] <techkid6> Is there a way to disable middle mouse in Ubuntu, especially the paste deal? I keep pasting accidentally copied things into my IRC shell (irssi)
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> wheatthin: support on information of existing packages
[05:26] <abaddon> wheatthin: mmmm offering alternatives is support.
[05:27] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, no. what is SIGSEGV ?
[05:27] <abaddon> joossee_: look up on google?
[05:27] <abaddon> >.>
[05:27] <wafflejock> joossee_: https://www.google.com/search?q=SIGSEGV+in+XQuesryExtension&oq=SIGSEGV+in+XQuesryExtension&aqs=chrome..69i57.310j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=what+is+SIGSEGV&spell=1
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Not sure, I would make sure this is not a a hardware problem with a live cd.
[05:28] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I don't recall the name but there is another tracker.
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: nice, hope you refind in your memory :p
[05:29] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: something like patriot or eagle
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: lemme lookup tnx
[05:29] <joossee_> wafflejock, wilee-nilee i suspect there is a problem with my video card? would that be rational? I have error correcting server ram condfiured with 4GB's as backup on 32Gb ram server..
[05:29] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I'll look through my bookmarks
[05:29] <wheatthin> joossee_, is this 32bit or 64bit?
[05:29] <joossee_> wheatthin, 64
[05:30] <joossee_> i mean.. CLI stuff will run for days zero errors... but anything with a GUI seems suceptible?
[05:31] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Dude, clinically it has been proven that the answer to any problem is gotten to fastest by starting at the simplest problems first.
[05:32] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: I think it actually was prey.... They just changed their web page
[05:32] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: =/
[05:32] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, dont disagree but running a boot CD..  does that even come with firefox? transmission? mupen64?
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: tnx for looking anyway mate
[05:32] <abaddon> joossee_: it'll come with ff and transmission
[05:32] <ianorlin> unless it is mini
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, FF yes Transmission I believe so, but is any of that even working for you now?
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: prey got a hidden package install, but i dont like its administration online
[05:33] <wheatthin> joossee_, a livedvd will come with it, yes
[05:33] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Yeah, sorry about that
[05:33] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, ya when it says firefox crashes, nothing actually happens. ff stays open works fine. transmission crashed and mupen crashed a day after i opened it...
[05:33] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: So I'm not sure whyn that's an issue? What is the likelyhood of them getting hacked?
[05:33] <wilee-nilee> joossee_ I suspect you have just messes up your install as a new user, could this be the case?
[05:33] <joossee_> can i get a live cd of server 64?
[05:34] <wilee-nilee> messed*
[05:34] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, i had to replace fglrx a bunch of times to make my cvard work... bad repos where to blame
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: doing a bit of googling I'm seeing a lot of it surrounding ATI
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: its just me, i dont trust online stuff, clouds..i prefer my own secure system
[05:34] <wheatthin> joossee_, no, usually server installs are cli
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: yeah server install won't have the GUI
[05:34] <irreverant> whats a good to share a screen online from ubuntu to windows
[05:34] <wafflejock> joossee_: that's basically the point of the server install disk
[05:35] <joossee_> wheatthin, yes, but i installed ubuntu desktop ontop of server... this machine is a beast so overhead not a problem
[05:35] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: XD Gotta given an take bro. Maybe fork prey and improve upon it
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, You have an upgrade right that had a bunch of not supported ppa's right?
[05:35] <wheatthin> joossee_, but you can't install that ontop of a livecd
[05:35] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Assuming it really is open
[05:35] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, yes the xorg/ender repo i think
[05:35] <irreverant> join.me doesnt work on ubuntu and screenleap seems to want to install java for linux, it uses rpm and then just offers linux
[05:35] <irreverant> but im not sure if that means apt package installation
[05:35] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, now i only use the real ppas
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: maybe there's an ssh trick, once you boot laptop you could access it remote, but i need a warning method also
[05:36] <irreverant> any help?
[05:36] <irreverant> team viewer a good one?
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: likely a tar.gz which they will have a README for doing installation
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: I've used Team viewer but not on linux it was fine
[05:36] <wafflejock> irreverant: if you just need remoting but not while viewing VNC will work (may be able to view as well can't recall)
[05:36] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, Heh, if it were me I would reinstall and document or remember/understand what I did and was doing. and clone at some point.
[05:37] <joossee_> wilee-nilee, i have a pretty good handle on what i did and did not do. not sure how thats helpful?
[05:37] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: hmmm, maybe write a bash script to ping tom a given network and if not on the network send an email?
[05:37] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: Then just use an application to get it's location
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: yes that might work
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: would be cool to get emails every ubuntu boot, if the thief is not too smart he will at least boot the latop once right
[05:38] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: If you're good with C or C++ maybe make us a newprog. ;P
[05:38] <wilee-nilee> joossee_, perfectly helpful, theoretically any open source OS is fixable, from your comments I doubt that last statement with a slight snicker. ;)
[05:38] <joossee_> i cant just go about rebooting my server to boot another OS. these errors arent super frequent.. just enuff to be annoying
[05:39] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: that'd do.
[05:39] <wafflejock> lotuspsychje: install mail-utils install sendmail install http://iharder.sourceforge.net/current/macosx/locateme/
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> I laugh in your general direction, not directly at you. ;)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> wafflejock: tnx mate lemme look that up
[05:39] <abaddon> lotuspsychje: you could get his/her network info and tell the police to trace it
[05:39] <abaddon> et
[05:40] <abaddon> etc*
[05:40] <joossee_> w/e man its all good. i appreciate the help anyways
[05:40] <wafflejock> abaddon: police take forever... took them days to find me and I wasn't even hiding :)
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: an ip will do the trick :p
[05:40] <irreverant> yeah it was a tar.gz with a readme
[05:40] <irreverant> i just installed teamviewer installed
[05:41] <wafflejock> I also am not a big truster in the cloud services... looked at last pass for like 5 minutes and then got too paranoid and found KeePass
[05:41] <wafflejock> irreverant: let me know how it goes
[05:41] <abaddon> wafflejock: do I want to know...? >.>
[05:42] <joossee_> heres more details on the specific issue I get as a "SegvReason Reading unknown VMA" SegvReason: writing unknown VMA would mean that something was attempting to write to the destination of a pointer aimed outside of allocated memory. (This is sometimes a security issue.)
[05:42] <wafflejock> abaddon: you don't...
[05:42] <abaddon> wafflejock: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> wafflejock, I suppose so chicago is a big area oakpark is a bit smaller
[05:42] <joossee_> any idea what my security issue might be...?
[05:43] <abaddon> wafflejock: lotuspsychje btw, it's mailutils not mail-utils
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> !info mailutils
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> how about a keylogger to email? that exist?
[05:48] <sandman13> is there a way to clear last typed commands in terminal?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> sandman13: man history
[05:49] <zykotick9> sandman13: fyi if you start commands with a <space> they won't be saved by history.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> !info logkeys
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> lemme install that
[05:53] <superjoe> I'm trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage. It works when I compile without dpkg-buildpackage, but with dpkg-buildpackage I get "relocation blah against symbol blah can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[05:54] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/ bash_history
[05:55] <sandman13> lotuspsychje: a bit complicated
[05:55] <sgerbino> Hello all, I am having issues with my tty1-6 when using nvidia-current drivers. With nouveau they are working fine. When I install nvidia-current they characters show but they shaky... anyone know a solution for this?
[05:55] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/ .bash_history actually left out the period it is hidden.
[05:56] <abaddon> Alright guys, I'm off tonight
[05:57] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: not working for me
[05:57] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, whats not working?
[05:57] <sandman13> wilee-nilee the command
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, what command, I gave you not a command but where it's at/
[05:58] <sandman13> wilee-nilee sorry my bad :)
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, Heh, easy mistake. ;)
[06:00] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: from home folder or from /
[06:00] <superjoe> I narrowed it down to the fact that dpkg-buildpackage is somehow adding -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  to the linker args which breaks the build
[06:00] <superjoe> how can I disable this?
[06:00] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, ~/  is home
[06:01] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: nothing like that
[06:01] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, hit ctrl-h its hidden
[06:01] <sandman13> wilee-nilee done that
[06:02] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, no .bash_history you say
[06:02] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: found it i was looking for folder :D
[06:02] <wilee-nilee> In home'
[06:03] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, I will save the snarky remark as I am trying to be kinder ans nicer. ;)
[06:03] <wilee-nilee> and
[06:05] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: cleared history thanks
[06:05] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, No problem.
[06:07] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: seen your message box
[06:07] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, message box?
[06:08] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: yes place where we send PM
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, I have PM off, no meesage from me.
[06:09] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: oh btw can you suggest me a good download manager like internet download manager?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> sandman13: firefox got default download list
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, for downloading what, with ubuntu you have apt-get the softwrae center or synaptic.
[06:10] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: for downloading flv videos from websites
[06:10] <aslan> Hi, I got a scenario that my custom OS is read only filesystem which doesn't have the terminal access, where I got few directories  with read permission.. I would like to know how can I play around with scripts in this
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> some will use aptitude not sure why anymore
[06:11] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, Ah can't really say as some are really against site rules or the law, so......
[06:12] <wafflejock> aslan: what kinds of scripts?
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> aslan, what does   lsb_release -a say
[06:12] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: pm me then
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> sandman13, i DON;T PM.
[06:12] <wilee-nilee> sorry hit the caps
[06:12] <sandman13> wilee-nilee:okay no problem
[06:13] <aslan> wafflejock, I kept a script in /tmp and I want to run it as root
[06:13] <aslan> wilee-nilee, The lsb_release is ubuntu 11.0
[06:13] <wilee-nilee> aslan, That is end of life
[06:14] <wilee-nilee> whatever it is, the answer is not waht you get anyway.
[06:16] <Gnar> how come you guys use an inferior os?
[06:16] <wilee-nilee> Gnar, To get your comments
[06:17] <sandman13> wilee-nilee: how to uninstall the applications installed in this way?http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/04/xtreme-download-manager-alternative-internet-download-manager-for-linux.html
[06:22] <wafflejock> aslan: without terminal access you can't do a whole lot
[06:23] <Pinkamen1_D> I had google chrome with a bunch of tabe up and I just hit the alt key and something by accident and it just vanished. I have a memory moniter so I know it is not closed, but the window does not appear in any desktop
[06:24] <sandman13> how to uninstall a program that is installed with java?
[06:24] <wafflejock> sandman13: java itself doesn't install programs
[06:24] <wafflejock> sandman13: or rather it's not typically used to install programs
[06:25] <wafflejock> sandman13: you can download a program with a java program then install it
[06:25] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's a .sh file you'll have to see if it takes a --uninstall flag or has some other option for uninstalling
[06:26] <wafflejock> sandman13: if it's a .deb file you can use dpkg purge or dpkg deinstall if it's apt-get you use remove or purge
[06:26] <sandman13> wafflejock: in .sh file it is written java -jar filename.jar and nothing else
[06:26] <wafflejock> java -jar just executes a java file
[06:26] <wafflejock> jar is a java archive
[06:26] <wafflejock> -jar just tells java runtime you're going to give it a jar file which is like a zip with a Manifest file in it that tells it which class to execute
[06:27] <wafflejock> the class is a compiled java file
[06:27] <wafflejock> it could potentially do anything
[06:27] <sandman13> wafflejock: that means i can simply remove it to "uninstall"
[06:27] <wafflejock> sandman13: generally speaking yes the jar file might write configuration files elsewhere but it's typical for a jar to have everything in it to run
[06:28] <sandman13> wafflejock: does the program leaves traces
[06:28] <wafflejock> sandman13: if you install stuff outside of apt-get though you need to follow the advice from the site where you obtained the installation about how to properly remove
[06:29] <cyphase> anyone know what file to delete to re-enable the first time sudo message?
[06:29] <wafflejock> sandman13: this is one of the nice things about using dpkg/apt-get the packages have descriptors of what is installed where so it can be easily removed
[06:29] <wilee-nilee> cyphase, first time sudo message?
[06:29] <wafflejock> sandman13: with a jar file it's up to whoever writes it to decide what conventions to follow when it comes to configuration files and the like
[06:29] <cfhowlett> cyphase, first time what?
[06:31] <sandman13> wafflejock: i followed the steps to get the programs like in this website: http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/04/xtreme-download-manager-alternative-internet-download-manager-for-linux.html
[06:31] <cyphase> wilee-nilee, sorry, it's late. that message that shows up the first time you use sudo; with great power comes great responsibility, etc
[06:31] <meet_praveen> how can i set java home environment variable
[06:32] <wilee-nilee> cyphase,  Poat the out out of running   lsb_release -a
[06:32] <wilee-nilee> Post*
[06:32] <wafflejock> sandman13: you probably want to get rid of the jar file and go into your browser settings and remove any extensions it installed... beyond that I have no idea really..
[06:33] <sandman13> wafflejock: okay let's see
[06:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: if you want to try to be a bit more sure you can use something like this: http://linux.die.net/man/1/inotifywatch to watch what files get changed
[06:35] <wafflejock> sandman13: I haven't used that one in particular but have used similar tools in windows to see what exactly an installer is doing
[06:36] <sandman13> wafflejock: normally where do these program get installed?
[06:37] <eminor> sandman13: you can use dpkg -L <name> to see what files are in a software package
[06:37] <wafflejock> sandman13: like I said with jar it can be anywhere really... well really any package can install anywhere
[06:37] <wafflejock> eminor: he's dealing with a jar he executed
[06:37] <wafflejock> eminor: it installs some junk in your browser
[06:38] <eminor> don't use java :>
[06:39] <wafflejock> sandman13: usually your programs installed through apt-get will just be setup in /usr/bin or have symbolic links there
[06:39] <wafflejock> eminor: nothing wrong with Java it's used in huge deployments on WebSphere servers running clusters of machines, client side java isn't anything great but on the server it's fine
[06:40] <sandman13> wafflejock: threw it out from firefox
[06:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: it used proxy to automate downloads in case of chrome
[06:41] <sandman13> wafflejock: changed proxy from automatic to none
[06:42] <xboxde> tcc xbox?
[06:42] <wafflejock> package{public class DoStuff {public static void main(String args[]){System.out.printl("does limited stuff");}}}//harmless see :)
[06:42] <wafflejock> awe syntax error println*
[06:42] <xboxde> alguem tcc pt???
[06:42] <impradeepy> hi guys
[06:43] <cfhowlett> xboxde, wrong channel I think
[06:43] <cfhowlett> impradeepy, greetings
[06:43] <xboxde> thanks
[06:43] <wafflejock> !br | xboxde
[06:43] <impradeepy> ssup frns?
[06:43] <xboxde> i am tryng my xbox ubutum
[06:43] <somsip> !english | impradeepy
[06:44] <impradeepy> was using shortcuts
[06:44] <impradeepy> whatsup all?
[06:44] <wafflejock> impradeepy: lets stick with english enough acronyms to go around :)
[06:44] <cfhowlett> impradeepy, what is your ubuntu question.
[06:45] <impradeepy> i am searching a gui for fan controller
[06:46] <impradeepy> and temperature monitor for cpu
[06:46] <wafflejock> impradeepy: there's psensor, I'm using KDE now there's some nice plasmoids/plasma widgets for showing the stats on everything... not sure about fan control
[06:47] <impradeepy> will try now
[06:49] <impradeepy> psensors are not available for 13.04 :(
[06:50] <impradeepy> wafflejock any alternatives??
[06:52] <wafflejock> impradeepy: sorry not sure on Unity, like I said in KDE lots of plasmoids for displaying the system stuff
[06:52] <Ben64> !info psensor raring | impradeepy
[06:52] <impradeepy> its ok
[06:53] <impradeepy> ubottu not available in software centre
[06:53] <Ben64> impradeepy: yes it is, ubottu gets that info from the same location
[06:54] <wafflejock> impradeepy: psensor no s
[06:55] <wafflejock> impradeepy: it is sorta basic and not super nice looking compared to the KDE options but it's functional
[06:55] <impradeepy> thankyou
[06:55] <impradeepy> got it
[06:56] <pogiako1> hello
[06:56] <pogiako1> can someone give me examples on how to use globs?
[06:57] <pogiako1> i mean grep
[06:57] <wafflejock> impradeepy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888606 <- some interesting stuff on using PWM pulse width modulation to control the average voltage supplied to the fan
[06:57] <wafflejock> impradeepy: obviously use at your own risk :)
[06:58] <wafflejock> pogiako1: Google http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_04_02.html
[06:58] <impradeepy> wafflejock wait m following d given instructions
[06:59] <gartral> where is ia32-libs for 13.10? I really need that package
[07:00] <wafflejock> gartral: http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[07:01] <wafflejock> gartral: alternatively have you considered compiling whatever it is that depends on ia32 that you are trying to install from the repos?
[07:03] <gartral> wafflejock: no, recompalation isn't an option
[07:04] <wafflejock> gartral: what are you trying to install
[07:04] <gartral> wafflejock: nothing it's a self-contained 32-bit app
[07:05] <wafflejock> I don't understand why it can't just be recompiled then? is it not open source?
[07:05] <maek> just because I have an /etc/init.d script that does not mean its actually using upstart right?
[07:06] <wafflejock> !upstart | maek
[07:06] <reisio> maek: running, you mean?
[07:06] <maek> or upstart features?
[07:06] <maek> wafflejock: thanks.
[07:06] <wafflejock> SystemV uses /etc/init.d upstart uses /etc/init
[07:06] <gartral> wafflejock: it *IS* tecnically opensource, but the code has 32-bit binblobs, and also many functions that are explicit hardcodes
[07:06] <impradeepy> wafflejock please see this ouptut http://paste.ubuntu.com/6441430/ after line 157
[07:06] <Ben64> gartral: the solution is to use multiarch and get whichever libraries you need
[07:06] <maek> reisio: im new to ubuntu and I have elasticsearch installing what looks like a traditional sysV init script but its not working. im trying to debug it following upstart docs but I dont see the config file for the job, etc
[07:07] <reisio> how's it not working?
[07:07] <maek> wafflejock: oh. so I guess its using sysV
[07:07] <wafflejock> impradeepy: seems it's not possible then
[07:07] <wafflejock> maek: yeah there's a mix right now I believe for backwards compatibility
[07:07] <maek> reisio: cant tell. no output. it just says 'started' but then no process and no ouput
[07:07] <reisio> maek: that's not necessarily abnormal
[07:07] <wafflejock> maek: with the plan to move everything to upstart eventually I believe
[07:07] <maek> ok so its just sysV thne
[07:08] <reisio> maek: mmmm, or it's running and you don't realize it :)
[07:08] <reisio> maek: can you pastebin the init script?
[07:08] <wafflejock> maek: basically SystemV was more linear in it's startup system upstart is based on dependencies and start things in parallel as soon as possible
[07:08] <impradeepy> wafflejock  no way to install pwm-capable sensor modules?
[07:08] <maek> reisio: id be surprised. no port bound, no process etc
[07:08] <reisio> I think he cares less about sysv vs upstart and more about his service working
[07:08] <wafflejock> impradeepy: yeah looks like a lack of hardware support for the PWM, it did seem a bit strange
[07:09] <maek> reisio: its the output of this https://github.com/elasticsearch/cookbook-elasticsearch/blob/master/templates/default/elasticsearch.init.erb
[07:09] <impradeepy> wafflejock hp dm4 suckz
[07:09] <wafflejock> reisio: yeah just explaining cause I just read up on it and figure it's worth it to know
[07:09] <maek> I was expecting like an upstart job like runsvdir
[07:09] <impradeepy> wafflejock thankuvey much
[07:09] <reisio> maek: so pgrep -l elasticsearch, nothing?
[07:10] <wafflejock> impradeepy: np
[07:10] <maek> reisio: correct.
[07:10] <maek> no port 9200 either
[07:10] <reisio> maek: and the PIDFILE is not present?
[07:10] <maek> let me check. i think its making the pid but nothing else
[07:11] <reisio> if the pidfile is there it won't ever start
[07:11] <maek> the start-stop-daemon command is tricky never seen anything like     ES_INCLUDE=$ES_INCLUDE start-stop-daemon --background --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --chuid <%= node[:elasticsearch][:user] %> --exec /usr/local/bin/elasticsearch -- -p $PIDFILE
[07:11] <gpled> having trouble formating a usb jump drive
[07:11] <maek> reisio: oh yeah, I delete it and it re creates
[07:11] <reisio> maek: that said: https://gist.github.com/rbscott/1052015
[07:11] <reisio> etc.: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22elasticsearch%22%20%22upstart%22
[07:12] <maek> reisio: ty will look.
[07:12] <reisio> yeah some of that is meant to be preprocessed
[07:12] <reisio> the rest is normal looking for an init script
[07:12] <maek> yeah the erb stuff is clear but
[07:13] <maek>     ES_INCLUDE=$ES_INCLUDE start-stop-daemon --background --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --chuid <%= node[:elasticsearch][:user] %> --exec /usr/local/bin/elasticsearch -- -p $PIDFILE
[07:13] <maek> that is basically the line that gets ran
[07:13] <reisio> yeah
[07:13] <reisio> it just says run the executable, and track it with a file
[07:13] <maek> and I have no idea how you run start-stop-daemon as an arg to a var setting. thats just blowing my mind trying to figure out what its doing.
[07:13] <reisio> it's not an arg to a var setting
[07:13] <ripthejacker> Is it recommended to use Ubuntu 13.10 server edition on a production server and then upgrade to 14.04 when it releases, or should I stick to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[07:13] <reisio> FOO=bar command just means run command with FOO=bar
[07:14] <reisio> instead of, potentially, FOO being equal to what the environment ordinarily has
[07:14] <maek> ah ok
[07:14] <maek> clear
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, as I understand it, LTS is recommended for server stability so 12.04 to 14.04
[07:14] <maek> path=foo command
[07:14] <Ben64> ripthejacker: either at this point, since both are one upgrade from 14.04
[07:14] <reisio> so if you have two X's running, for example, :0 and :1, you can say DISPLAY=:1 gedit to run gedit on the second one
[07:14] <reisio> maek: yeah
[07:14] <maek> reisio: ok ty.
[07:14] <reisio> it's a one-off environmental variable reset
[07:14] <reisio> or a one-off variable
[07:14] <reisio> depending
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, consider: 13.10 has a 9 month lifespan.  Do you REALLY want to install/config a server every 9 months?  especially a production server?
[07:15] <dancat> How can I add a process to start at boot and stop at shutdown by a specific user
[07:15] <ripthejacker> cfhowlett, Ben64: What are the factors that I have to keep in mind while upgrading, such that the upgradation does not break my existing setup?
[07:15] <gartral> Ben64: I tried that
[07:15] <eyfour> ripthejacker: If you can afford downtime and troubleshooting (if necessary) during the upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04, and you need the newest features/versions badly, go ahead with 13.10. Otherwise, go 12.04 LTS.
[07:16] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, I'm not a server admin and I don't speak that language.  sorry ... see ben64 and eyfour 's comments or ask in #ubuntu-server
[07:16] <Ben64> ripthejacker: config files mostly
[07:16] <gartral> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/LCwjth7U <- list of libs I need http://pastebin.com/7zp67aQX <- what happens when I try to install them
[07:18] <Ben64> gartral: ok, so thats not the correct name
[07:18] <gartral> ripthejacker: your main concern will be your init level changes, make sure to read the changelogs for the version upgrade and pre-patch accordingly
[07:19] <ripthejacker> Ben64, eyfour: what is the version I setup if I am definitely going to upgrade to 14.04?
[07:19] <gartral> ripthejacker: 12.04 LTS
[07:19] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, you can directly upgrade 12.04 to 14.04
[07:19] <eyfour> ripthejacker: 12.04 LTS
[07:20] <Ben64> yeah, 12.04 gives you much longer to engineer the upgrade
[07:20] <ripthejacker> thank you guys :)
[07:20] <ripthejacker> have a nice day
[07:20] <cfhowlett> ripthejacker, best of luck
[07:20] <Ben64> april 2017 vs july 2014
[07:21] <gartral> ripthejacker: you too
[07:21] <ripthejacker> cfhowlett: :D
[07:21] <eyfour> ripthejacker: good luck :)
[07:21]  * gartral hugs his server
[07:31] <ubuntu870> hi. I installed empathy-skype but there is no skype on online accounts
[07:35] <ubuntu870> hi. I installed empathy-skype but there is no skype on online accounts
[07:38] <reisio> ubuntu870: I think it might actually require skype to be running
[07:38] <reisio> offering only the convenience of directly using only empathy, etc.
[07:39] <Myrtti> ubuntu870: even if it would work with Skype running in the background, from what I've heard Microsoft is going to deprecate the API allowing you to use the empathy-skype thing in the near future
[07:40] <reisio> well of course they are
[07:40] <reisio> but that is always the case, with all things microsoft
[07:40] <reisio> people waste time supporting it anyways
[07:41] <reisio> Skype ironically relies on GNU/Linux servers :p
[07:46] <pogiako1> how's 13.10 guys?
[07:46] <Tlacaelel> hombre blanco! que te estas creendo?  nueva orden mundial. creencia falsa solamente!
[07:47] <pogiako1> am still on raring coz i believe saucy's still buggy
[07:47] <cfhowlett> !es|Tlacaelel,
[07:47] <Tlacaelel> ya basta!
[07:47] <Tlacaelel> all your timebank are belong to u$
[07:47] <ubuntu870> ok thanks reisio and Myrtti
[07:48] <pogiako1> how's 13.10 guys?
[07:48] <cfhowlett> !details|pogiako1,
[07:48] <wafflejock> 12.04 here
[07:48] <pogiako1> wafflejock: same! ;)
[07:48] <Ari-Yang> Akaigo-Arc 3.12.0-031200-generic x86_64 Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Codename: quantal
[07:48] <Ben64> pogiako1: raring is not 12.04
[07:49] <pogiako1> oh sorry
[07:49] <pogiako1> haha i thhought he said raring
[07:49] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: 13.10 is most likely better, but may still have some bugs
[07:49] <djangonoob> I have problems with my new notebook. It has amd 8750m and intel 4400 and I tried to install graphic driver but I did something wrong or I used wrong driver or something. Now I can't even shutdown (it restarts automatically)
[07:49] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: tbh I have half a mind to upgrade myself
[07:49] <pogiako1> Ari-Yang: yah thought so
[07:49] <wafflejock> pogiako1: yeah tried to go up to 13.10 when I was having some minor issues in 13.04 but dropped back to 12.04 cause of video card issues I didn't want to deal with
[07:50] <Ben64> pogiako1: you'll need to upgrade before january or you lose support
[07:50] <pogiako1> lol
[07:50] <pogiako1> then where do you go from there?
[07:50] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: tbh if you're on 13.04, you might as well upgrade to 13.10
[07:50] <pogiako1> should i fresh install 12.04?
[07:50] <cfhowlett> pogiako1, LTS only.
[07:50] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: if you want lts, sure
[07:50] <wafflejock> can just say make sure you back up your stuff.... I had everything backed up but wish I had just cloned with clonezilla/dd since restoration was still a bit of a pain
[07:50] <Ari-Yang> (lts = long term support)
[07:51] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: though, 12.04 is most likely packaged with old and stale software, hop on to 13.10 for latest stuff
[07:51] <pogiako1> what's the usual problem with it?
[07:51] <pogiako1> and what's the ideal way to hop on to it?
[07:51] <difo> Is running ubuntu 12.04 virtual machine on a mac a lost cause?
[07:52] <pogiako1> difo: what do u mean?
[07:52] <difo> it's so slow, especially on virtual box
[07:52] <pogiako1> what are ur pc specs?
[07:52] <ak5> hi, what method of mirror creation should I employ if I ONLY want to mirror the precise64 packages?
[07:52] <difo> brand new macbook pro
[07:52] <djangonoob> standby is also not possible. I will see the login screen after about 2 sec black screen
[07:52] <pogiako1> well, that shouldnt be a problem
[07:53] <difo> i didn't think it would..
[07:53] <pogiako1> did u get the mac ver. of VB?>
[07:53] <difo> yerp
[07:53] <pogiako1> what do you mean by slow?
[07:53] <difo> i tinkered with the settings for a couple hours..
[07:53] <pogiako1> then?
[07:53] <difo> mostly the mouse lags
[07:54] <MonkeyDust> here too, ubuntu is slow in virtualbox
[07:54] <difo> ok, i've read that ubuntu is generally slow in vb
[07:54] <pogiako1> might be
[07:54] <pogiako1> go look up on google, or stack exchange
[07:54] <pogiako1> stack overflow*
[07:55] <reisio> difo: the default 'Ubuntu' desktop environment uses what is meant to be a hardware accelerated window manager
[07:55] <difo> yeah, that seems to be the consensus.. asking you guys was my last resort
[07:55] <reisio> so it could give that appearance, under many circumstances
[07:55] <Ben64> easy solution is to not use unity
[07:55] <reisio> use another DE or window manager and it'll appear normal speed
[07:55] <reisio> yes indeed
[07:56] <difo> alright, thanks
[07:56] <ak5> any ideas for the local precise 64 repository>?
[07:56] <reisio> or if you want the authentic _appearance_ without the lag, try unity-2d
[07:56] <pogiako1> from 13.04, 13.10 fresh install or 13.10 upgrade?
[07:56] <difo> looking it up now, thanks again, reisio
[07:58] <reisio> pogiako1: if you can't upgrade, you either need to learn more so that you can, or you're using the wrong distro
[07:58] <reisio> reinstalls are for other OSes
[07:58] <reisio> (and change of architecture :p)
[07:58] <reisio> (and any time you've broken the system to the point where reinstallation will take less time to fix it :p)
[08:02] <ak5> reisio: are ubuntu upgrades safe now? I remember way back when it wasn't
[08:02] <reisio> dunno
[08:02] <reisio> my guess is they're getting worse over time, but people could also just be complaining more
[08:03] <Ari-Yang> pogiako1: if you're going to do a fresh install anyway and want latest software packaged already, might as well go for 13.10... tinker with it, if you realize that it is too buggy, do a fresh install of 12.04
[08:03] <djangonoob> can someone help me installing right graphics driver for my new notebook. I botched something and now I have problems like restarting instead of shutdown/standby
[08:03]  * reisio headdesks
[08:04] <pogiako1> i'd go with something new and stable so which will it be?
[08:04] <reisio> why would you install an older version of something you know has a future of bugginess
[08:04] <reisio> makes no sense
[08:04] <reisio> the only reason to avoid the latest version of a GNU/Linux distro is if you should avoid every version of it
[08:05] <wilee-nilee> pogiako1, That would be your definition not ours, install what you want.
[08:05] <cfhowlett> !details|djangonoob,
[08:05] <pogiako1> will 13.10 be that 'new and stable'?
[08:05] <pogiako1> i wouldn't mind a little bug
[08:05] <auronandace> pogiako1: 13.10 has been stable for me
[08:06] <pogiako1> but as long as i wont have problems fixing it, like looking up google etc.
[08:06] <cfhowlett> pogiako1, you're using subjective terms that we can't possibly answer for you.
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> pogiako1, It is the latest release, stable is your definition of, every users experience is different
[08:07] <pogiako1> yeah i know, i might get help out of your opinions ;)
[08:07] <djangonoob> I have a new hp 840 g1 with amd radeon 8750m + intel hd 4400, running ubuntu 12.04 64bit... I tried to install graphic drivers but didnt really know which one and mby I got the wrong one. now I can't shutdown ubuntu because it restarts automatically
[08:07] <wilee-nilee> pogiako1, Not without a whole lotta assumption and confirmation bias.
[08:08] <djangonoob> and there are other graphic problems too
[08:08] <auronandace> pogiako1: sticking to what is in the repos ubuntu has always been stable for me
[08:08] <debasis> hello friends...what is sudo command and why its used?
[08:08] <reisio> debasis: 'su' + do
[08:08] <debasis> I am new in linux...so i nedd help
[08:08] <auronandace> !sudo | debasis
[08:08] <reisio> it's meant to give root access to specific users for specific things
[08:09] <reisio> Ubuntu uses it to give root access to specific users for anything
[08:09] <pogiako1> i have burned the first release of 13.10, are the features still the same up to now?
[08:09] <debasis> ok ,...i see
[08:09] <auronandace> pogiako1: same as what?
[08:09] <sev1nk> If you want to execute a command as root
[08:09] <reisio> pogiako1: features?
[08:09] <pogiako1> it wouldnt be a problem anyways, i'll just run software update ;)
[08:09] <eyfour> debasis: sudo is the most dangerous command/prefix you can run in a default/vanilla Ubuntu installation. If you don't know why you need it, don't use it.
[08:09] <debasis> in sudo apt, what is apt then?
[08:09] <eyfour> debasis: etc, as above.
[08:09] <reisio> debasis: the package manager, essentially
[08:10] <wilee-nilee> pogiako1, this is support, all your questions so far have been self relevant, figure it out to you happiness in the end.
[08:10] <auronandace> !apt | debasis
[08:10] <debasis> ok..i see
[08:10] <wilee-nilee> your*
[08:10] <debasis> ok...guys..thanks
[08:11] <wilee-nilee> pogiako1, WE are here for the problems you actually have.
[08:11] <debasis> Do any one have installed Oracle in Ur ubuntu?....i cant install it...i have installed it in windoes
[08:11] <debasis> windows**
[08:11] <wilee-nilee> debasis, oracle what java?
[08:12] <reisio> debasis: it's installable, but I wouldn't recommend it, for philosophical reasons
[08:12] <debasis> no no...Oracle Data base
[08:12] <wafflejockTablet> Debasis which installer
[08:12] <debasis> reisio, i need to install it, bcoz i m learning Oracle Data Base
[08:12] <wafflejockTablet> debasis: oracle owns mysql
[08:13] <reisio> debasis: ew :p
[08:13] <debasis> hahaha...yes..its owned My SQL
[08:13] <reisio> debasis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Oracle
[08:13] <debasis> reisio, whats it?
[08:14] <reisio> debasis: what you asked for
[08:14] <debasis> ok
[08:14] <debasis> let me see the community
[08:19] <debasis> Guys...Ubuntu is very tough :)
[08:19] <auronandace> debasis: feel free to practise in a vm
[08:19] <debasis> yes...i am doing that
[08:20] <wafflejockTablet> debasis: anything is tough when u first learn eventually many things are easier
[08:20] <debasis> Actually i am a normal user of windows...so feeling uncomfortable in Ubuntu
[08:20] <cfhowlett> debasis, pretty sure you were not BORN knowing windows....
[08:20] <debasis> yes
[08:20] <wafflejockTablet> debasis: installing with apt get is amazingly efficient
[08:20] <cfhowlett> debasis, you learned windows.  you can learn ubunt
[08:21] <cfhowlett> *ubuntu*
[08:21] <wafflejockTablet> Do a wamp install vs lamp install
[08:21] <debasis> cfhowlett...sure
[08:21] <cfhowlett> debasis, as in all things, we choose what's important and invest our time and effort.  You've come here, so you're clearly serious.
[08:21] <debasis> sure sure...i m serious
[08:22] <meet_praveen> how can i set java home environment variable ?
[08:22] <meet_praveen> in ubuntu
[08:22] <debasis> bcoz i am besically a java developer, and my all work will be on linux
[08:22] <Webster255> Question, will a 64 bit i3 boot a live cd with a 32 bit ISO? I hve no DVD burner for the larger 64 bit ISO.....
[08:22] <wafflejockTablet> Or try node or grunt or ruby or python on windows
[08:22] <auronandace> Webster255: of course it can
[08:22] <wafflejockTablet> debasis: yeah for dev it's much better
[08:22] <impradeepy> yes webmaster
[08:23] <debasis> tes
[08:23] <debasis> yes
[08:23] <debasis> how u r writting to me only, can i write to u only also?
[08:23] <cfhowlett> Webster255, yes you can boot 32 bit ubuntu on  a 64 machine
[08:23] <cfhowlett> debasis, tab complete ...
[08:23] <auronandace> debasis: type the nick
[08:23] <wafflejockTablet> !tab| debasis
[08:24] <wafflejockTablet> I gotta sleep night all
[08:24] <Webster255> terrific, thans so much
[08:24] <debasis> ok
[08:24] <Webster255> thanks
[08:25] <debasis> I WILL JUST CLICK ON THE NICK,WILL IT DO?
[08:25] <cfhowlett> !SHOUT
[08:31] <sabgenton> anybody using the daily builds for trusty?
[08:32] <cfhowlett> !trusty|sabgenton,
[08:32] <sabgenton> yeah but has anyone given the dailys a go
[08:33] <wilee-nilee> sabgenton, #ubuntu+1
[08:33] <sabgenton> ah cheers sorry
[08:33] <Ben64> hmm, the factoid should be updated for 14.04
[08:35] <nafg_> Hello, I am going through nightmares trying to customize the ubuntu installer
[08:35] <Ben64> !14.04 is Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu.  Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295  - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[08:35] <cfhowlett> Ben64, indeedc
[08:40] <nvs> hi
[08:40] <cfhowlett> nvs, greetings
[08:41] <nvs> im using ubuntu 13.10 and im looking for a weather app or something
[08:41] <nvs> is there anything to display the weather in my desktop?
[08:41] <nvs> i had no luck in the soft center
[08:43] <cfhowlett> nvs,  see the software center
[08:45] <nvs> nothing works there despite a china weather. since im not living in china i had no luck
[08:46] <wilee-nilee> nvs, The weather addon has had problems with the call link is all.
[08:46] <nvs> so its not working at all?
[08:46] <wilee-nilee> weather app whatever its called in unity
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> nvs, I believe it works if you set the config right.
[08:47] <nvs> i see an aweather and the second most popular is reported to be non functional at all
[08:47] <nvs> anyone has the city lens in 13.10?
[08:48] <wilee-nilee> the weather extension works great in the shell
[08:49] <davidcalle> nvs, not compatible with 13.10, sorry about that, but you have the weather scope, that works out of the box (try typing "weather" in the dash)
[08:49] <davidcalle> nvs (or weather:something) for weather in a different location.
[08:50] <nvs> i see no weather scope
[08:50] <nvs> i type weather
[08:50] <davidcalle> nvs, do you have online search activated?
[08:50] <nvs> no
[08:51] <nafg_> Help, I am going through nightmares trying to customize the ubuntu installer
[08:51] <wilee-nilee> !details | nafg_
[08:51] <nafg_> hi wilee-nilee
[08:51] <davidcalle> nvs, that's it then :) You can disable scopes individually in the Apps lens, this way you can turn off things you don't want.
[08:51] <wilee-nilee> hi
[08:52] <nafg_> :) okay let me try
[08:52] <wilee-nilee> nafg_, Tell the Chanel is all I doubt I know
[08:52] <nafg_> i mean i've been having tons of issues, but the one i'm stuck now is this:
[08:52] <nafg_> ubiquity	ubiquity/success_command string /cdrom/postinstall.sh
[08:52] <nafg_> It doesn't seem to be working
[08:54] <lordcrusader_> hi good afternoon
[08:56] <nafg_> so neat, i can modify the iso and restore virtualbox snapshot
[08:56] <nafg_> in middle of install
[08:56] <lordcrusader_> using tasksel to install lamp-server in ubuntu or installing seperately everything one by one apache2 mysql php phpmyadmin ?
[08:57] <nafg_> wilee-nilee: thanks for the help
[08:58] <wilee-nilee> nafg_, sure, good luck.
[09:13] <Weasley> ciaooooo
[09:13] <Weasley> !list
[09:23] <GoldenPockets> Im running ubuntu on vmware, and i cant get network to work (i cant ping www.google.com or 8.8.8.8) but somehow apt-get can install things. How can network do some things and not others?
[09:25] <ak5> GoldenPockets: curl ifconfig.me <--- does that work
[09:25] <cousteau> I typed `gvim` and got a message saying "The «gvim» program can be found on the following packages:  * vim  *vim-gnome [...]"
[09:25] <djangonoob> there should be a possibility to change the nic type from vm
[09:25] <cousteau> so I installed vim, typed gvim, and got the same message
[09:25] <djangonoob> bridging, etc
[09:25] <cousteau> is this a bug?
[09:25] <cousteau> (i.e. the vim package shouldn't be in that list)
[09:25] <djangonoob> I think you have to change the setting
[09:25] <djangonoob> from nic
[09:26] <GoldenPockets> ak5: it gave me an ip
[09:27] <GoldenPockets> ok so firefox is working and curl but i cant ping google
[09:30] <tachyons> ubottu
[09:30] <dedes> testing
[09:31] <UrielVigilant> i switeched off my b43 wireless anthena on the hadware switch button, then ubuntu 13.10 wasn´t able to switch on this anthen anymore nether in hardware nether in software even trying restart and reboot . The only solution was  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6441869/ . This is normal ?
[09:31] <ak5> GoldenPockets: that's your external ip
[09:31] <UrielVigilant> correction: 	i switeched off my b43 wireless anthena on the hadware switch button, then Lubuntu 13.10 wasn´t able to switch on this anthen anymore nether in hardware nether in software even trying restart and reboot . The only solution was http://paste.ubuntu.com/6441869/ . This is normal ?
[09:34] <UrielVigilant> Could this be a bug ?
[09:35] <djangonoob> I have a new notebook "hp 840 g1" and it runs ubuntu 12.04 64bit, the hardware button to enable/disable wifi activates keyboard backlit but not disable wifi
[09:37] <Rory> djangonoob: Is this the same one you couldn't get the wifi working on yesterday? What did you do to fix that?
[09:39] <djangonoob> I wrote a link... I have to look
[09:40] <djangonoob> this was the solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/331667/no-wireless-for-intel-corporation-7260-version-63
[09:41] <djangonoob> wifi is working now but not the hardware button
[09:41] <djangonoob> the fn+dim hotkeys still not working too
[09:42] <djangonoob> it shows the dim panel but the display does not change
[09:44] <UrielVigilant> another this i did was put # before lin refering b43 on blacklist.com in diretory modprobe.d
[09:44] <djangonoob> the following issue is not that bad but mby I can change this: the hardware mute button is working but it is has always orange color, if not muted it should be white or something
[09:46] <UrielVigilant> from now on i will sitwch off the wireless hardware from software and not from hardware, maybe this should avoid this problem doesn it ?
[09:49] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, you'll like this: After almost 4 years of owning a dual booting win7/ubuntu equipped DELL, I accidentally hit Alt F7 instead of Fn F7.  Wifi came on instantly.  try the ctrl/alt/fn/super key alternatives before your reboot to windows or rfkill
[09:49] <djangonoob> I don't know how it is implemented but if you have an software problem and the hardware button invokes the same function as if you switch with software...
[09:50] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: i only have Lubuntu 13.10 on my laptop. This is jobcomputer, no Linux here . In my Laptop i only have Lubuntu not dual  booting .Do you think it will work anyway ?
[09:52] <UrielVigilant> djangonoob: that incidence happens after a hibernate session and the turning on laptop.
[09:53] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, dual boot doesn't matter other than the fact that the Windows 7 wifi keypress was F7.  I've no idea what the default keypress is on your computer, but try the alternatives I suggested.
[09:54] <fahadash> Does ubuntu have a good C++ IDE in their software center ?
[09:54] <cfhowlett> fahadash, open the software center and see for yourself...
[09:54] <tachyons> Lot
[09:54] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: do you think its better to reinstall Lubuntu from new ?
[09:55] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, I haven't been following your thread.  If I understand, some of your media keys don't work?  Could be you need to install the linux firmware
[09:56] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, reinstall is the LAST resort, of course.
[09:57] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, try this: open a terminal.  type apt-cache policy linux-firmware and verify that it's installed or not
[09:57] <cowbacon> cfhowlett: proper partition schemes and a reinstall wont break anything :)
[09:57] <UrielVigilant> after i did : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6441869/  it cmoe works again . But now i ´m thinking why this wireless card stop working sudently when using hardware switc button to turn off ?
[09:57] <cfhowlett> cowbacon, true, true.  I've a personal bias.  Too many people scream !reinstall just like they scream !bug whenever anything little thing takes more than 15 seconds of googling to repair
[09:59] <cowbacon> cfhowlett: completly true. if users learn how to fix problems themself the community as a whole would benefit greatly. however, many aren't interested in tinkering with their system and just want something that works, and a reinstall is the easiest path then
[10:00] <cfhowlett> cowbacon, agreed
[10:00] <djangonoob> how can I google a hardware button?
[10:00] <tachyons> RTFM answers are not good in irc :)
[10:00] <ObrienDave> RTFM ;)
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: what does the button do?
[10:03] <djangonoob> "hp 840 g1" wifi button just activates keyboard backlit but nothing else
[10:04] <djangonoob> ubuntu 12.04 64 bit
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: what wifi chip are you using?
[10:04] <djangonoob> ac 7260
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: run:   sudo lshw -C network    what wifi CHIP is it, not the adapter
[10:07] <tachyons> .
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: it may take a while to run
[10:07] <adam_> Anyone got cloud print to work with the ubuntu machine hooked up as the server to a legacy printer like an HP LaserJet?
[10:08] <djangonoob> ActionParsnip, yes... because I run irc on second laptop ^^
[10:09] <djangonoob> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442003/
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: driver=iwlwifi driverversion=3.8.0-33-generic firmware=22.0.7.0 ip=192.168.0.10
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[10:09] <djangonoob> yes, internet is working
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: so where is the issue?
[10:10] <djangonoob> the hardware button is not working
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: but the wifi is working. WHy do you need the button?
[10:10] <Rory> djangonoob: With how long it took you just to get it working, I'd just do without the button. You can disable wifi in ubuntu using network manager anyway
[10:11] <arcsky_> are there any way to install ubuntu via console  or ssh ?
[10:11] <ObrienDave> RTFM ;)
[10:11] <arcsky_> ?
[10:11] <djangonoob> It is not really necessary to get the button working but it would be nice
[10:12] <jpds> arcsky_: Yeah, netboot with PXE/DHCP/preseed is an option.
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: if you run:   xev    and press the button, does it make an event?
[10:12] <djangonoob> wifi is working, i can switch and disable with the manager
[10:13] <djangonoob> ActionParsnip, no
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: then that's why
[10:13] <cfhowlett> arcsky_, PXE is one option
[10:13] <djangonoob> ActionParsnip, do I need firmware or something, or is it not possible
[10:14] <kmf> hi
[10:14] <Rory> djangonoob: Could you link again the instructions you followed to get your wifi working?
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: sounds like there is someting in between not functioning, Wifi adapters use about 2W of power, so why people disable them is beyond me
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> djangonoob: are there any bugs reported?
[10:14] <Leroj> hi
[10:14] <djangonoob> Rory, http://askubuntu.com/questions/331667/no-wireless-for-intel-corporation-7260-version-63
[10:15] <kmf> knock knock
[10:15] <djangonoob> ActionParsnip, it's more that I want that everything is working on my new notebook
[10:16] <cfhowlett> kmf, greetings
[10:16] <shagelito> hey #ubuntu, i'm facing some troubles with my grub configuration, can't boot my linux distrib without supergrub cd. Some help would be greatly appreciated.
[10:16] <Rory> djangonoob: Did you follow the first answer? You may have some more luck with Ubuntu 13.10 rather than 12.04 as it includes a more recent kernel, but I can't guarantee that
[10:16] <arcsky_> jpds: cfhowlett : link ?
[10:17] <cfhowlett> !pxe
[10:17] <cfhowlett> !install
[10:17] <ObrienDave> kmf, no one is home
[10:17] <Rory> shagelito: Take a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[10:17] <cfhowlett> arcsky_, see    http://www.google.com.hk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ubuntu+pxe+install&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CEwQFjAF&url=%68%74%74%70%73%3a%2f%2f%68%65%6c%70%2e%75%62%75%6e%74%75%2e%63%6f%6d%2f%63%6f%6d%6d%75%6e%69%74%79%2f%44%69%73%6b%6c%65%73%73%55%62%75%6e%74%75%48%6f%77%74%6f&ei=pTqLUo3BIcjKlAW-woCoCw&usg=AFQjCNE8WOhoBg8My87nTMb1kgJRodf9qw
[10:17] <Leroj> who's there?
[10:17] <cfhowlett> oops! not that
[10:17] <ObrienDave> lol
[10:17] <kmf> dandruff
[10:17] <Leroj> dandruff whi?
[10:17] <Leroj> who*
[10:18] <kmf> dandruff that thun thun thun :))))))))))
[10:18] <Leroj> nyahahahahaha
[10:18] <UrielVigilant> when i installed Lubuntu and Ubuntu first time i wasn´t able to see my wifi working , so i have to typed: sudo apt-get remove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source  and then sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree and this was´t enought i also did : $ sudo modprobe b43 and also did $ sudo su and also typed : # echo "b43" >> /etc/modules
[10:18] <djangonoob> Rory, yes the first answer
[10:18] <cfhowlett> !it
[10:18] <Rory> cfhowlett: Don't reveal your secrets! Who'd have thought that "ubuntu pxe install" would show you how to pxe boot ubuntu :P
[10:18] <cfhowlett> !ot
[10:18] <DJones> kmf: Leroj Please don't do that, this is a support channel
[10:18] <cfhowlett> Rory, yeah, well ...
[10:18] <Leroj> nyehehehe
[10:19] <djangonoob> Rory, I was thinking about 13.10, but I decided for LTS
[10:19] <UrielVigilant> I can´t wait for version 14.x LTS
[10:20] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, actually , you can.  But come April, I'll be as excited as everyone else since I only use LTS.
[10:21] <shagelito> Rory: thks rory, of course i already checked it before coming here. But im gonna take another, maybe i did miss something
[10:21] <shagelito> woops, excuse my french
[10:22] <arcsky_> cfhowlett: thanks
[10:22] <UrielVigilant> I have 2 GB RAM Celeron M (440) 1.86GHz with 80 GB hardrive and an (Intel GMA 950) , i started with Ubuntu 13.10 but once i tryed Lubuntu 13.10, i decided that is almost 50 to 100 times faster
[10:24] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, lubuntu and xubuntu are both optimized for older and lower spec machines like yours.
[10:24] <UrielVigilant> And its better for GAming , in OnLIVE using PlayOnLinux, better graphics quality and faster too
[10:24] <fahadash> cfhowlett, I already spent 20 minutes. Downloaded and try 3 apps... Can you tell me already if you know one ?
[10:24] <sandman13> does size of virtual disk affect the size of virtualbox
[10:24] <fahadash> I am looking for a good development tool for c++
[10:24] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett : do you think lubuntu could be faster then xubuntu ?
[10:25] <cfhowlett> fahadash, I'm not a developer but ... take a look at the ubuuntu Sputnik version (Dell).  You can add any of those packages to vanilla ubuntu
[10:25] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, they should be pretty similar.  to try it though: sudo apt-get install lxde.  Logout.  choose lxde session.  login.  You
[10:26] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, you'll get the lubuntu experience but not the apps  and integration.  If you like it, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <Rory> UrielVigilant: lxde uses fewer graphical resources than Unity so it is more responsive on older systems
[10:26] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: iam already with Lubuntu, what i need to typo to try Xubuntu ?
[10:27] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, sudo apt-get install xfce4.  then same as I described above
[10:28] <UrielVigilant> Logout. choose lxde session. login.
[10:28] <fahadash> cfhowlett, Thanks
[10:28] <sandman13> how much memory should i give to Windows 8 VM in virtualbox
[10:28] <cfhowlett> fahadash, see http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/w/wiki/3687.software-dell-xps-13-laptop-developer-edition.aspx
[10:28] <ak5> sandman13: depends on what you are doing with it
[10:28] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: and then to back again to Lubuntu ?
[10:29] <sandman13> just running some apps and for testing purpose ak5
[10:29] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, logout.  choose lxde sesssion.  login.   easy, right?
[10:29] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: sudo apt-get remove xfce4 ?
[10:29] <UrielVigilant> no need to remove xfce4
[10:29] <UrielVigilant> ?
[10:29] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, sudo apt-get purge xfce4 to remove all traces but you could just as easily keep it ... it takes very little room
[10:30] <cfhowlett>  UrielVigilant stop
[10:30] <cfhowlett> you can have more than one windows environment available.  no one will call the police
[10:30] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: its assure that will not make the system a litle slower ?
[10:31] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, you can only run one desktop environment at a time, so ... no.
[10:31] <UrielVigilant> thanks
[10:33] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, have fun, be safe
[10:33] <hamster> Hi guys, having a bit of a painful problem here that was caused by my own sillyness
[10:33] <Rory> hamster: Go on
[10:33] <cfhowlett> hamster, been there.  done that.
[10:34] <ak5> sandman13: depends on which apps
[10:34] <hamster> Basically I have GNOME terminal and i went to prefrences and I selected title and command tab
[10:34] <hamster> I then checked "Run a custom command"
[10:34] <hamster> and typed 'tmux' in the custom command box
[10:35] <hamster> but what i also did (this is where the sillyness begins): I checked the Run command as a login shell box
[10:35] <sandman13> ak5 browsers, download managers, simple office suite and some windows only compilers
[10:35] <hamster> now everytime i log in to my uname I just fails  and returns back to the login screen
[10:36] <hamster> I have searched google and I have not found anything that can help me. Can any of you guys help me with this please?
[10:36] <tine> hi
[10:36] <cfhowlett> hamster, say it with me: 1 - 2 - 3    D'OH!
[10:36] <cfhowlett> tine, greetings
[10:37] <tine> cfhowlett hi
[10:37] <tine> how are you?
[10:37] <UrielVigilant> cfhowlett: sudo apt-get remove xfce4 , will remove this :  sudo apt-get install xfce4 and al will remove : sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop  ?
[10:37] <Wizar> can i install ubuntu on ntfs with other file on it?
[10:38] <OerHeks> Wizar, no.
[10:39] <wilee-nilee> Wizar, In a vm if a os yes.
[10:41] <wilee-nilee> you can have the vm image there
[10:42] <hamster> cfhowlett: :(
[10:42] <UrielVigilant> how to install Lubuntu in an external usb hardrive ? can i use unebootin and make like i made an usb live persistent ?this is hardjobe for a newby like me =?
[10:42] <cfhowlett> UrielVigilant, sudo apt-get purge xfce4 will purge the windows environment.  if you also installed the xubuntu-desktop you got the default apps so sudo apt-get purge xubuntu-desktop will kill them as well
[10:42] <cfhowlett> !persistence
[10:42] <cfhowlett> hamster, eh?
[10:46] <aslan> I got a scenario that, the **customized ubuntu 11.0** Linux OS has read only filesystem which doesn't have the terminal access, my goal is to create a file with root access using normal users permission. I got few configuration directories which has 777 permission as normal user "**NOT AS SUDO**". I would like to know, is there any exploit or alternate way to setuID 0 to a file.
[10:48] <yza> hey
[10:48] <yza> k
[10:49] <reisio> yza: look what you did
[10:50] <Rory> aslan: no that would be a massive security hole
[10:50] <guest-PyUlAu> Anybody know where the gnome terminal run command as login shell get written to?
[10:51] <aslan> Rory, I have seen few exploits which does that by changing  the setuid
[10:52] <hamster> Making the question clearer: Anybody know where the gnome terminal option "run command as login shell" get written to?
[10:53] <geirha> hamster: dconf or gconf would be my guess
[10:54] <Rory> aslan: i'm not going to help you find a local privilege escalation exploit
[10:56] <aslan> Rory, I'm not trying to offend the system I need to find the loophole in all the perspective
[10:56] <Ben64> aslan: really not within the scope of this channel, and all 11.x versions of ubuntu are EOL anyway
[10:57] <cfhowlett> aslan, if you're concerned with security, install a supported, current version.  I suggest 12.04
[10:58] <hamster> geirha: thanks
[10:58] <hamster> geirha: I have selected that option mistakenly and put 'tmux' in the textbox and now I can not log in any more
[10:59] <hamster> geirha: I am trying to erase that setting
[10:59] <hamster> any idea?
[10:59] <aslan> Ben64, I understand that. but my official system here runs in 11.0. and I need to do this . Im not allowed to upgrade for local package and kernel  issues
[10:59] <cfhowlett> aslan, then you're running an unsecured system.
[11:00] <OerHeks> aslan, exploits for that old version are no longer valid, so useless to investigate.
[11:01] <ufk> hello
[11:01] <aslan> cfhowlett, ya I got that but the problem is, we cant upgrade due to the mono version issue for our application
[11:01] <Anden> hamster: shouldn't you be able to run another terminal than gnome-terminal to fix it then?
[11:01] <ufk> how can i update from precise to saucy ? do-release-upgrade doesn't show me of new versions of debian
[11:02] <Anden> hamster: i.e. press alt+f2 to get run promt and type xterm
[11:02] <aslan> OerHeks, could you suggest me some other privilege escalation in 12.0 or further release
[11:02] <DJones> ufk: Precise is LTS so by default only shows LTS->LTS updates, Saucy isn't LTS so there isn't a direct upgrade path to that
[11:03] <Ben64> ufk: firstly, new versions of debian would never show up, since ubuntu is not debian. secondly, you should wait for 14.04 and upgrade directly to that
[11:03] <Guest34469> irc://irc.openjoke.org/enjoy
[11:03] <hamster> Anden: It does not even let me login to do that. Its broken. So now im in my guest user doing Alt+Ctrl+F2 and trying to kill anything that would store that setting
[11:03] <Ben64> aslan: still not within the scope of this channel. we're here to help people fix ubuntu problems, not help someone create more
[11:03] <DJones> ufk: You would need to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, then 13.04 and then 13.10, or wait until 14.04 is released which will be LTS and you'll be able to upgrade directly
[11:03] <Anden> hamster: what if you su to your account without the login shell parameter?
[11:03] <OerHeks> aslan, no, i won't help you with exploits, as it is not the topic of this channel, try the backtrack channel or security related channels, thanks.
[11:04] <ufk> i must have saucy, it's a local server that should be identical to a remote server on amazon. how do i upgrade to 12.10 ?
[11:04] <cfhowlett> ufk, download the 12.10 torrent.  install.
[11:04] <DJones> ufk: Are you on a server or desktop version
[11:04] <hamster> I can access my account from tty2
[11:04] <aslan> OerHeks, okay I understand thank you for your suggestion
[11:04] <Ben64> ufk: saucy is not 12.10
[11:04] <hamster> Anden: ^
[11:04] <Anden> oh ok
[11:05] <ufk> so in order to get to saucy i'll have to reinstall the all system? no way with updates ?
[11:05] <hamster> Anden: But I can not actually log in to it from the gnome login interface if you know what i mean
[11:05] <DJones> ufk: Are you on a server or desktop version
[11:05] <ufk> server
[11:05] <Ben64> ufk: precise -> quantal -> raring -> saucy
[11:05] <ufk> as far as i know
[11:05] <Ben64> takes a long time and isn't always smooth
[11:05] <Anden> hamster: sorry, didn't read what you had to say from the start, i assumed your problem was acessing your user in any way
[11:06] <Ben64> ufk: you'd be much much better off waiting for trusty (14.04) to come out in ~5 months
[11:06] <hamster> Anden: no, I can access my user from terminal but not from the login screen
[11:06] <Anden> hamster: but it's a good thing you can run commands from that user
[11:06] <DJones> ufk: So no graphical interface then, http://askubuntu.com/questions/310824/upgrade-ubuntu-12-04-to-13 2nd answer on that details how to change the upgrade policy from LTS -> LTS to LTS _> next version
[11:07] <hamster> Anden: It is better than nothing I agree, at the moment I have logged into the guest account and im doing IRC :)
[11:07] <ak5> hey everyone, if I add deb-amd64 to sources list, does that means I only use 64bit packages and all architecture packages?\
[11:07] <hamster> Anden: but I am at work and trying to fix this asap
[11:07] <DJones> ufk: In theory its 3 upgrades in a row and they should work, but theres always a risk so make usre you have a backup of anything important
[11:08] <wilee-nilee> ak5, The sources.list has to have an actual call to a repo
[11:08] <Anden> hamster: ok. well i am not too familiar with gconf or whatever you were using when it broke
[11:08] <ak5> wilee-nilee: deb-amd64 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt precise main restricted universe multiverse
[11:08] <ak5> wilee-nilee: that's what I mean
[11:09] <starnix> Hello people. Is there any way around to lock screen on gnome 3.10, struggling from last day.
[11:09] <wilee-nilee> ak5, the multiverse should already be there.
[11:10] <ak5> wilee-nilee: um... what?
[11:10] <ak5> wilee-nilee: I am asking about architectures
[11:10] <wilee-nilee> ak5, If you have a 64 bit install all packeges that are 64 bit you will get anyway, however some are only 3s bit.
[11:10] <wilee-nilee> 32*
[11:10] <hamster> Anden: fixed it
[11:11] <ak5> wilee-nilee: where is the arch specified?
[11:11] <Anden> hamster: great :D
[11:11] <Ben64> ak5: by what architecture you installed
[11:11] <wilee-nilee> ak5, Its multiarch you get whats available.
[11:11] <hamster> Thanks for your help buddy
[11:11] <ak5> wilee-nilee: i specifically do not want multi-arch
[11:11] <wilee-nilee> ak5, why?
[11:12] <Ben64> ak5: then do not install any 32 bit stuff, its not complicated
[11:12] <ak5> wilee-nilee: trying to save on bandwidth on apt-get update
[11:12] <ak5> wilee-nilee: live in china, don't care about 32bit bins
[11:12] <wilee-nilee> ak5, Do you want say firefox?
[11:12] <ak5> sure
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> wilee-nilee: your OS is multi-arch, you will just haul in a tonne of 32bit packages as edeps. This is  how you get Skype in 64bit Ubuntu
[11:13] <wilee-nilee> ak5, only 32 bit in the repos.
[11:13] <wilee-nilee> ActionParsnip, true, I am just wondering if the user has a dream or has any understanding is all.
[11:14] <gordonjcp> I wonder why people are so keen on Skype?
[11:14] <Ben64> wilee-nilee: firefox is 64 bit, don't know why you think its 32 only
[11:14] <ak5> my question is really only can I add deb-amd64 instead of deb as a prefix for those mirror lines
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> gordonjcp: possibly because its on everything etc, no idea otherwise
[11:14] <wilee-nilee> Ben64, In the ubuntu repos?
[11:14] <ak5> and how will that effect my system
[11:15] <Ben64> ak5: you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist
[11:15] <Ben64> wilee-nilee: indeed
[11:15] <gordonjcp> ActionParsnip: hm
[11:15] <gordonjcp> ActionParsnip: I guess I don't really understand the use case
[11:15] <wilee-nilee> Ben64, Not that I know of check that.
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> ak5: if that works, you will pull in 32bit debs of the packages you install in 32bit. Could get large if you install many
[11:16] <ak5> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/main i386 Packages
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> gordonjcp: I think its the one that got big, like Ubuntu. Many distributions do what Ubuntu dos but Ubuntu is the one that seems more visible
[11:16] <ak5> I get very many i386 lines when I apt-get update
[11:16] <Ben64> ak5: and?
[11:17] <ak5> Ben64: this is what I am trying to solve. Problem exists
[11:17] <Ben64> thats not a problem
[11:17] <ak5> It is if you are in China and it is sucking up your already seriously shitty bandwidth and apt-get update takes 10 mins
[11:18] <Ben64> watch the language here
[11:18] <ak5> Sure, stop the assumptions too please
[11:18] <ordicollege> facebook
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> ak5: apt-fast will download from multiple sources and can help speed things up
[11:18] <ak5> ActionParsnip: I'll check that out, but I am mainly using ansible for provisioning
[11:18] <ikonia> it will only speed things up if the problem is downstream from the source, not th ehost
[11:19] <ak5> ActionParsnip: is there a nice way to make a mirror only with precise64 packages?
[11:19] <ordicollege> mode passe
[11:19] <Ben64> about 2.5MB for apt-get update on 12.04
[11:19] <gordonjcp> ak5: if you want 32-bit apps, install 32-bit Ubuntu
[11:19] <ak5> omg
[11:19] <ak5> gordonjcp: learn english please, I never said anything like that
[11:19] <sabgenton> anyone recommend good  click on tree to merge/rebase   git gui for ubuntu?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> ak5, have you configured your mirrors to use the China servers, not the default
[11:20] <ak5> cfhowlett: yes
[11:20] <gordonjcp> ak5: you want to install Skype, right?  Which is a 32-bit app.
[11:20] <ak5> gordonjcp: no I do not
[11:20] <ak5> cfhowlett: the chinese mirrors are unreliable, and key errors are scaring me
[11:20] <ak5> so I am using HK mirror
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> ak5: what are you wanting to install that is 32bit?
[11:21] <gordonjcp> ak5: so what *are* you trying to install?
[11:21] <ak5> ActionParsnip: absolutely nothing. I want to get my system not to check 32bit repos
[11:21] <ordicollege> https://www.facebook.com/marina.bella.5815?ref=ts&fref=ts
[11:21] <ikonia> ordicollege: why are you posting this ?
[11:21] <ordicollege> mode passe de https://www.facebook.com/marina.bella.5815?ref=ts&fref=ts
[11:21] <ordicollege> ?
[11:21] <gordonjcp> ak5: oh, just remove all the i386 stuff then
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> ak5: the repos check is a few hundred kbs, if that....
[11:21] <cfhowlett> ordicollege, wrong channel, wrong language.
[11:21] <ak5> ActionParsnip: hm, ok it looks like ~700kb from here, which is like 30 secs :D
[11:22] <ordicollege> donné moi l'adresse de i386
[11:22] <cfhowlett> !fr
[11:22] <meet_praveen> what is the command for showing all running local servers ?
[11:22] <elixir> Hi
[11:22] <elixir> Yo
[11:22] <elixir> and i audible?
[11:22] <ikonia> elixir: we can see you typing
[11:23] <cfhowlett> elixir, no but you are visible
[11:23] <ordicollege> donné moi le mode passe de https://www.facebook.com/marina.bella.5815?ref=ts&fref=ts
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> ak5: gksudo gedit /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[11:23] <elixir> ikonia, thanks!
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> ak5: comment out the 'foreign-architecture i386' line, then retry
[11:24] <ak5> ActionParsnip: this works, thanks a bunch
[11:25] <ak5> ActionParsnip: what does ubuntu call packages that work on both/all archs
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> ak5: to support 32bit-only apps (like skype)
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> ak5: remember the taget audience of Ubuntu
[11:26] <ak5> ActionParsnip: yeah, but this is also on ubuntu-server
[11:26] <ak5> :(
[11:26] <InFlames1> why is anyone speculating about satoshi? lol
[11:26] <InFlames1> isn't that kinda the whole point? he's a ghost
[11:26] <Ben64> InFlames1: seems like you're in the wrong channel
[11:26] <DJones> InFlames1: Please see the channel topic, this is Ubuntu support
[11:28] <kellojaba1> sathoshi is dread pirate
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !ot|kellojaba1,
[11:29] <fromheten1> Me too
[11:33] <ObrienDave> full moon week? ;)
[11:33] <slaw45> HI. Can someon tell me what is safer, built-in encryption on ubuntu or truecrypt?
[11:34] <gordonjcp> slaw45: both are as bad as each other
[11:35] <marxiano> nas
[11:35] <gordonjcp> slaw45: if you want to make sure you get rid of all your data, dban
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> slaw45: just let the default installer do its job. Easys
[11:37] <slaw45> Thx Guys
[11:37] <gordonjcp> slaw45: when disk encryption loses your data there's still the theoretical possibility that someone might be able to recover fragments of it
[11:37] <gordonjcp> slaw45: better to just dban the drive, or if you really want to be sure, smash it flat with a big hammer
[11:37] <cfhowlett> slaw45, nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
[11:37] <slaw45> :P
[11:39] <gordonjcp> slaw45: it depends what you're trying to do, of course
[11:41] <slaw45> gordonjcp: thx
[11:42] <sandman13> how much ram should be given to Windows 8 Vm installed in Virtualbox
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> sandman13: I'd ask in ##windows
[11:43] <OerHeks> sandman13, hard to say, as we don't support windows8
[11:44] <OerHeks> 2013 mb will do
[11:45] <railsraider> hi i am trying to setup a custom prompt for all users , i put the PS1  in /etc/profile and it works if i source the file but not when i log out and back in
[11:45] <railsraider> how can i make it load on login
[11:46] <sandman13> OerHeks: ??
[11:49] <Rory> sandman13: it depends what you want to do, you'd be better off asking ##windows because this is the Ubuntu support channel
[11:49] <sandman13> Rory: got it
[11:55] <meet_praveen> command to display used ports of local host?
[11:58] <Rory> meet_praveen: netstat -a | egrep 'Proto|LISTEN'
[12:06] <ObrienDave>  HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.11.0-14-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Debian wheezy/sid ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU       M 430  @ 2.27GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.5GB, 70.6% free ** Disk: Total: 152.8GB, 47.2% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID ** Ethernet: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Optim
[12:06] <ObrienDave> a 88E8059 [PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Controller with AVB] ** Uptime: 5h 34m 31s **
[12:06] <ObrienDave> oops, sorry about that
[12:06] <DJones> GODDOG: Please stop doing that, joining & quitting every minute
[12:07] <ObrienDave> that's why I turn off join/part messages LOL
[12:10] <GODDOG> dj
[12:11] <GODDOG> DJones: sorry i first use tmux .sorry
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> ObrienDave: not much cop mate
[12:12] <GODDOG> sorry
[12:12] <Ben64> GODDOG: if you're trying to test stuff out, make your own channel
[12:12] <ObrienDave> ActionParsnip, sorry, lost me on that one. getting late/early ;))
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Rory: if you use:  egrep -i   you dont need to be accurrate with the case
[12:12] <GODDOG> Ben64: sorry
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> ObrienDave: its not such a hot system, and why do you want that to output?
[12:14] <ObrienDave> ActionParsnip, LOL slip of the wrist ;))
[12:16] <ctcb> Ubuntu 13.10 64-Bit | HP Pavilion G6 | Problem: Sometimes when I use my PC, it'll randonly display little short thin short black lines all across the screen with random spacing between them.
[12:18] <ObrienDave> ActionParsnip, you telling me I should be embarrassed advertising my laptop specs? hmm? LOL
[12:18] <moppy> ctcb, that is drivers or gpu overheat
[12:20] <ctcb> moppy, which is more likely? It happens as soon as I start the laptop.
[12:21] <sabgenton> does x11 forwarding working with java apps  or apps that run on wine?
[12:21] <kunal> anyone knows how to join "android-root" channel . I am using ubuntu 13.10 ?
[12:21] <moppy> ctcb, Unknown. Try different drivers IMO but that looks like a hardware issue or something very close to the hardware, like the driver.
[12:22] <OerHeks> kunal, you might need to register, depends on the channel you want to join.
[12:23] <moppy> ctcb, when you say "on power up", is that during the POST (bios/uefi?) or after the OS is up?
[12:23] <meet_praveen> Rory: no, it dosen't showing the exact result
[12:24] <kunal> how to register
[12:24] <tilerendering> yo peeps
[12:24] <theadmin> kunal: /msg nickserv help register
[12:24] <NuSuey> anyone got an idea why do I have no video output on my HDMI (I see the boot logo/splash logo) .. but the other two monitors are okay and working, I can even enable sound output to the HDMI .. and it works..but I can't detect the HDMI video :o any suggestions are welcome .. using 12.04
[12:24] <tilerendering> currently having a service start as root everytime the system boots up. however, when I as a user stop and start the service, by issuing "service blaservice start" it will run under my user. How can I configure it to automatically run at root level no matter which user starts and stops it ?
[12:25] <theadmin> tilerendering: A user should not be able to restart a service...
[12:25] <theadmin> tilerendering: What kind of a service is it? Is it a sysv-init script, or an Upstart service?
[12:26] <angs> I want to add a binary on /opt/eagle-6.5.0/bin/eagle to PATH, how can I add it so that when I type eagle, the binary will be executed
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:27] <theadmin> angs: Add the following line to your .bashrc: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/eagle-6.5.0/bin/
[12:28] <angs> theadmin, which bashrc? on /etc/bash.bashrc or /home/usr/.bashrc ?
[12:28] <tilerendering> theadmin - an upstart service, it´s configured in /etc/init.d
[12:28] <kunal> REGISTER 123123123 kunalrock13@yahoo.in
[12:29] <theadmin> angs: The second one. If you want it systemwide, use /etc/environment instead.
[12:29] <tilerendering> theadmin - it is not really a user starting and stopping it. it is a user acting on behalf of another service
[12:29] <angs> theadmin, thanks
[12:29] <tilerendering> actually it´s the user of our build server
[12:29] <giuringello> ciao
[12:29] <giuringello> !list
[12:29] <theadmin> tilerendering: init.d is sysvinit, /etc/init/ is for Upstart
[12:29] <tilerendering> alrightey
[12:30] <tilerendering> but how will I configure it to always run at root level ?
[12:30] <theadmin> tilerendering: I'm not sure, actually. Upstart has setuid and stuffs, but sysv is not something I'm familiar with -- I was still a newbie back when Ubuntu used it
[12:31] <tilerendering> setuid - any example on how to user setuid ? say start = sh blascript.sh --> becomes setuid root sh blacscript.sh ?
[12:31] <Guest38018> Hi
[12:31] <Guest38018> is this a place to ask a questions about ubuntu?
[12:32] <Romance> yes
[12:32] <theadmin> tilerendering: "setuid root", it's a single stanza. Place it before your 'exec' line. But again, your service is not an Upstart service, it won't work for you
[12:32] <theadmin> Guest38018: Correct.
[12:32] <theadmin> tilerendering: ...then again, with pure-upstart it's always root by default, this is redundant
[12:32] <Romance> but if you cant read the channel topic, im afraid you cant even read the answers for your future questions as well
[12:33] <angs> the admin I added " export PATH=$PATH:/opt/eagle-6.5.0/bin/" at the top of /etc/bash.bashrc but "eagle" cannot be found. do I need to restart my pc or do I needed to apply it differently?
[12:34] <Guest38018> is it ok for me to ask a question in the middle of your chat?
[12:34] <theadmin> angs: As I said... add it to your user's .bashrc, not /etc/bash.bashrc. If you need it systemwide, alter /etc/environment instead.
[12:34] <insertcoffee> @angs type 'bash' to reload
[12:34] <theadmin> Guest38018: Yes, of course, basically ask and whoever can answer will answer
[12:34] <akhil_> What are the advantages of having a unix socket instead of a tcp loopback socket?
[12:34] <impradeepy> hello
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Guest38018. ask away , this is support not a chat
[12:35] <akhil_> I am trying to proxy nginx to a wsgi server
[12:35] <angs> insertcoffee, theadmin, now it works after bash, I added it into both files
[12:35] <Guest38018> ok, basically I want to use 2 monitors from 1 graphic card and set different monitor id for each of the monitor, is it possible?
[12:36] <amagee> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 13.10 from 13.04 (xubuntu) and it's mostly fine except that when I hit "log out" from the start menu thingy, the system just hangs instead of bringing up the shut down / reboot / standby / hibernate popup. One time I did this and came back about 30 minutes later and the popup had appeare and worked properly. Running commands like pm-suspend from the command line works fine. Any ideas?
[12:36] <insertcoffee> @akhil_ google it http://bhavin.directi.com/unix-domain-sockets-vs-tcp-sockets/
[12:36] <Guest38018> I want make 2 display, I read about xorg.conf but dont get it, I use Ubuntu 13.04
[12:37] <philinux> amagee: does shutdown and restart work as they should
[12:37] <amagee> Guest38018: with any luck you won't have to worry about xorg.conf; what kind of graphics card do you have?
[12:37] <amagee> philinux: do you mean shutting down / restarting from the command line?
[12:37] <philinux> amagee: not from the top right gear
[12:37] <philinux> no
[12:38] <anonymous_> he
[12:38] <anonymous_> hai
[12:38] <anonymous_> guys .
[12:38] <NuSuey> so really nobody? weirdly.. HDMI video doesnt work and audio does :o how does that make any sense? :o
[12:38] <anonymous_> i meet a problem
[12:38] <akhil_> insertcoffee: thank you, I read that, but I wanted to gauge the performance improvement, I mean is it a noticable improvement?
[12:39] <insertcoffee> at scale, yes
[12:39] <amagee> philinux: oh, i don't have a "top right gear" since i'm using xfce but i have something which is probably equivalent
[12:39] <amagee> if i hit "suspend" from that menu for example it works fine
[12:39] <amagee> but if i hit "log out...", which presumably is the same as the log out option on the start menu, the same hang happens
[12:40] <philinux> amagee: I'm on unity so i'll let someone with xfce experience, good luck
[12:40] <anonymous_> i want to write a update.c
[12:40] <Guest38018> anaybody?
[12:40] <amagee> i just realised if i try to open it, then hit ctrl+alt+f1 to go to the text console thingy, then ctrl+alt+f7 to go back, the menu has popped up
[12:41] <Guest38018> Hi Guys
[12:42] <insertcoffee> @akhil_ I'd recommend doing a quick benchmark yourself with your specific use-case, you will notice the difference. we tried these both on timeout.com, unix sockets were faster but tcp sockets were distributed, so won in the end.
[12:42] <Guest38018> Can someone tell me about the xorg?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Guest38018. amagee already asked you which graphics card
[12:42] <akhil_> insertcoffee: thank you, I'll look into it
[12:43] <Guest38018> Oh sorry, the graphic card is intelHD 2000
[12:43] <amagee> Guest38018: have you tried fiddling with the display settings?
[12:43] <Guest38018> I can use extend for my monitor, but cannot assign ID to each monitor
[12:43] <Anaxandridas> Hello, everyone. I have an old guy who asked me to write a DVD for him, of one of my movies. This isn't something I've ever done (because I'm not over 50 years old). Every time I try to write the movie directly onto the disc, it tells me there's not enough space (which is odd, there's 4 GB of space on the DVD). I've tried using Brasero to make an image file, but it gets to 2 MB and just stops, sits there for hours. Tried using
[12:43] <Anaxandridas>  K3b, but it needs me to have TS Video and TS Audio folders, which I do not. Tried a couple others, which didn't work for varying reasons. Can someone please inform me of how to go about using this ancient technology known as DVD writing?
[12:46] <Dean_> Hello, I've installed ubuntu-desktop package on a server with the --without-recommends
[12:46] <Dean_>                flag in order to have a clean GUI. Apparently there are many things that i would like
[12:46] <Dean_>                to have missing, e.g logout button on bar, and other small applications. How can i find
[12:46] <Guest38018> How to assign id for each monitor, I want to display 2 browsers at the same time when I am booting
[12:47] <amagee> Guest38018: I'm not sure what you mean by "assign id for each monitor"
[12:47] <impradeepy> be more specific guest38018
[12:48] <Pac-man> hello fellas! ;d
[12:48] <BluesKaj> is this a commercial ly abailable movie , Anaxandridas , if so it might be DRM protected , and you'll need libdvdcss2 from videolan,org to bypass the DRM
[12:48] <Pac-man> am I in the right corner for discussing ubuntu?
[12:48] <zykotick9> Anaxandridas: 1) dvd's are made to prevent easy copying 2) commercial DVDs are almost always larger in size then 4GB (which typically means you need to re-encode the video to make it fit)  3) i don't have an easy suggestion on how to copy it - but perhaps someone else does...  best of luck!
[12:48] <Guest38018> so, I want to start up 2 browsers in 2 different screens directly when I boot up
[12:49] <Anaxandridas> It's not a DRM issue. It's an 'I've never had a reason in my life to do this, and I rather suck at it' issue.
[12:49] <amagee> Guest38018: that seems to be a different question from just setting up multiple screens.. have you got the multiple screens working how you want?
[12:49] <Guest38018> yes
[12:49] <amagee> Guest38018: so your question is about starting apps on login?
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Pac-man, greetings.
[12:49] <usr13> zykotick9:  You can use mplayer to convert a DVD to just a video file, (that's one way).
[12:50] <Anaxandridas> Allow me to specify though, because you both had the exact same response. I'm not burning a DVD. I'm writing one. If I were burning a DVD, that would take me three minutes, two and a half of which would be petting my cat as it walked across the keyboard.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. check out the size of the movie to make sure it fits on the disk
[12:50] <zykotick9> usr13: while true, that doesn't get it back onto a dvd...
[12:50] <Anaxandridas> ... If this were a matter of me being unable to tell whether something is 700 MB, or 7 GB, BluesKaj, the answer would probably be to shoot myself in the face.
[12:51] <troulouliou_dev> hi how can i set a pinning during an "apt-get build-dep" command ? searching for something like apt-get -t LP-PPA-nathan-renniewaldock-xbmc-stable build-dep xbmc
[12:51] <impradeepy> guest38018 not possible
[12:51] <usr13> Well, you can always convert a video file to dvd.
[12:51] <Guest38018> What i want to do is, I want to start up firefox automatically when the user login and dispay it into 2 monitors automatically
[12:51] <Anaxandridas> Recommend a program please, usr13?
[12:51] <philinux> Anaxandridas: try install and use k9copy
[12:51] <Anaxandridas> Thank you philinux.
[12:51] <Guest38018> *display
[12:52] <philinux> Anaxandridas: see this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/RippingDVDs
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. oj , enough sarcasm , our suggestions are valid , pls describe the movie file extension , you may need to convert it or make an iso image out of it
[12:52] <philinux> Anaxandridas: for personal use of course
[12:52] <usr13> zykotick9: mplayer dvd://1 -dumpstream -dupfile foo.mpg   #Will convert a DVD to just a file.
[12:53] <Anaxandridas> BluesKaj, THEIR suggestions were valid, yes. And I already said that I tried imaging it, and Brasero just stops partway through and stares at me.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> what's the file extension ?
[12:53] <Anaxandridas> Pick one, I've tried it.
[12:53] <amagee> Guest38018: do you mean you want one firefox that spans both monitors or you want two firefoxes, one on each monitor
[12:54] <Anaxandridas> I'm working with any given one of a dozen movies. At first I was going for one in particular, but now I just want to figure out how to do it at ALL.
[12:54] <impradeepy> guest3801 try to install nautilus 3.4
[12:54] <Anaxandridas> Once I find one thing that works I can just convert everything else to match that.
[12:54] <usr13> zykotick9: And then, if you decide to convert back into DVD format, you can use dvdauthor.
[12:54] <Dean_> Hello, I've installed ubuntu-desktop package on a server with the --without-recommends flag. This installed a very basic GUI with no tools installed at all. Altough i can see for example that gnome-terminal is there. Why I cannot find this tool within the GUI ?
[12:55] <zykotick9> usr13: thanks, to bad I don't use DVDs anymore (because my silly governement said it's illegal to play on gnu/linux)
[12:55] <impradeepy> guest3801 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/experiments
[12:55] <Guest38018> I think two firefoxes(2 windows firefox), one on each monitor
[12:55] <Pac-man> I changed autostart file, put cairo-dock there, below xcompmgr with "-n^" option and it doesnt work, but when I do it manually, that is xcompmgr by console it works great and black border around cairo-dock is gone? Do I something wrong?
[12:55] <impradeepy> sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <impradeepy> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:55] <impradeepy> killall nautilus
[12:55] <BluesKaj> zykotick9. what ?
[12:55] <FloodBot1> impradeepy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:56] <Anaxandridas> usr13, is DVDAuthor on the Software Center? I'm not seeing it, and as you may have guessed, I'm an idiot with Linux.
[12:56] <usr13> zykotick9: Oh, that is unfortunate.  I don't use DVDs that often but have converted a few to files so that I could view them on a machine that does not have CDROM
[12:56] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: because it's DRM protected (badly by css), it's against the law in canada to break that...
[12:56] <usr13> Anaxandridas: Yes, it's in the repositories
[12:56] <Anaxandridas> BluesKaj, Pick one, I've tried it.  I'm working with any given one of a dozen movies. At first I was going for one in particular, but now I just want to figure out how to do it at all.
[12:56] <impradeepy> install it ll work@guest3801
[12:57] <BluesKaj> zykotick9. don't think that law's been passed yet , it's still on the back burner afaik
[12:57] <philinux> Anaxandridas: k9copy is not in later repos now but dvdrip is
[12:57] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: it passed a while ago... i believe.
[12:57] <usr13> Anaxandridas: apt-cache search will reveal "dvdauthor - create DVD-Video file system"
[12:58] <amagee> Guest38018: yeah i'm not really sure, you'd have to find a way tell firefox where to be via the command line, then put those commands in your startup scripts
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. why not just put it on a usb stick and let your friend copy it o the hdd and use vlc to play it back
[12:58] <Anaxandridas> Well, I just took a look at k9copy, it seems to need an image file to work with. Which is fine, but Brasero, the program I've been trying to use to make image files, has not worked. Can someone recommend a program to make an ISO/Cue?
[12:59] <Anaxandridas> BluesKaj, because the guy's in his 70s. He's one of those types who doesn't even own a computer :/
[12:59] <BluesKaj> zykotick9.  Canada here too :)
[12:59] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: ;) ya i remember from #ubuntu-ca
[12:59] <BluesKaj> heh , Anaxandridas I'm 70 :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> zykotick9. do you still chat there ?
[13:00] <zykotick9> nope...
[13:00] <usr13> Anaxandridas: But converting to file and then back into DVD format is a long way around to just make a duplicate DVD.  If the DVD manufacturer decides that you should not have a backup copy, you probably shouldn't do it, just protect the one you have.
[13:00] <Anaxandridas> BluesKaj, I tried explaining to him that doing this is kind of like taking a CD and putting it on an audiocassette. I don't think I've written to, or ripped from, a DVD in at least six years. And, like I said... He's a septuagenarian who doesn't even own a computer.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> nods
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. bummer
[13:01] <Anaxandridas> usr13, though I really appreciate the continued help, I have stated many times that I am not ripping from a DVD. I am trying to write TO one. I have no DVD, I'm trying to make one.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. it still might be protected thjo
[13:02] <Anaxandridas> In this case, none of the ones I am working with are.
[13:02] <usr13> Anaxandridas: Sorry, I didn't know. SO... you have a video file?  And you want to convert to DVD and burn to a DVD disk?
[13:02] <usr13> Anaxandridas: Is that it?
[13:02] <Pac-man> cfhowlett: hello there, sorry was lost in 80's ;]
[13:03] <Pac-man> I changed autostart file, put cairo-dock there, below xcompmgr with "-n^" option and it doesnt work, but when I do it manually, that is xcompmgr by console it works great and black border around cairo-dock is gone? Do I something wrong?
[13:03] <Anaxandridas> usr13, yes, in whatever manner I can. I have multiple different file options, avi, mp4, mkv, whatever works. I just need to figure out how to make a DVD from it. I haven't done this in many, many years. I've tried making an image, but Brasero isn't cooperating there. None of the others seem to functionally do it without an Image file.
[13:04] <Anaxandridas> usr13, I'm continuing to cycle through varying programs. For one reason or another, none of them have worked out for me, though I'm sure to a large extent that's because I'm new to Linux.
[13:04] <zykotick9> Anaxandridas: check out devede <- only way I've personally made a functional DVD from a video file
[13:05] <Pac-man> anyone?
[13:05] <Anaxandridas> Thanks zykotick9, I'll try that one.
[13:05] <Pac-man> oo
[13:05] <usr13> Anaxandridas: I think there is an app for this, (GUI app), but don't know what it is, the name or what ever, but you can do it from the command line with dvdauthor.  Once you have right video format, it is doable with dvdauthor.  See:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442667/
[13:06] <ultiware> Any idea why the libgnutls version shipping with Ubuntu is (very) outdated ?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. if you don'y mind using the terminal , this might work for you , wodim -eject  -tao speed=0 dev=/dev/sg6 -v -data /my/directory/image.iso
[13:06] <zykotick9> !latest | ultiware
[13:07] <amagee> Guest38018: if I have a firefox open, I can run the command: xdotool search "Mozilla Firefox" windowsize 1920 1080 windowmove 0 0
[13:07] <amagee> to make it take the left screen
[13:07] <usr13> Anaxandridas: ... so you adjust those commands to fit your needs ....
[13:07] <amagee> or replace with "windowmove 1920 0" to make it use the right screen
[13:08] <amagee> how to do it for two separate firefox windows i'll leave up to you because i don't know :P
[13:08] <Guest38018> What im doing now is setting different profile for firefox, is it possible?
[13:08] <amagee> hmm possibly, i'm not sure if a profile will do what you want
[13:09] <usr13> Anaxandridas: (you skip line 6 unless the mkisofs command errors out)
[13:09] <Guest38018> how to use xdotool?
[13:09] <amagee> Guest38018: i have no experience with it, i just found it doing a search a few minutes ago and looked at the man page
[13:10] <Guest38018> can you send me the link?
[13:10] <amagee> http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/
[13:10] <usr13> Anaxandridas: And you can skip lines 6-9 and skip to line 10 to burn to DVD disk.
[13:10] <amagee> that may not be terribly useful to you.. to install it, just run: sudo apt-get install xdotool
[13:11] <amagee> then: man xdotool
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. also if you get a speed error use speed =1 or 2
[13:11] <Guest38018> Ok i will look for it first
[13:11] <usr13> Anaxandridas: Otherwise, use k3b or what ever your favorite burning sofrware is.
[13:12] <amagee> also i really have no idea if it's the best way to do what you want, it's just something i found
[13:14] <Pac-man> does someone in here know console?
[13:14] <amagee> Pac-man: quite a lot of us probably
[13:14] <Pac-man> I changed autostart file, put cairo-dock there, below xcompmgr with "-n^" option and it doesnt work, but when I do it manually, that is xcompmgr by console it works great and black border around cairo-dock is gone? Do I something wrong?
[13:15] <usr13> Anaxandridas: And of course, the file names are hypothetical so you can better understand the process.  You can certainly use those file names though, (you'll end up deleting the files anyway, so...).
[13:15] <amagee> Pac-man: sorry I don't know anything about xcompmgr, hopefully someone else can help
[13:16] <usr13> Pac-man: I know console, I had coffee with him this morning.
[13:16] <Pac-man> amagee: its not about xcompmgr its about autostart file
[13:16] <amagee> i don't know anything about that either :P
[13:16] <usr13> Pac-man: What do you need to do?
[13:16] <goldstar> my ubuntu 13.10 takes about 10 min to connect to the network. In that time I cannot SSH into my router or anything. THe local IP address is however resolved. Does anyone know how I can diagnose this problem ?
[13:17] <Pac-man> usr13: launch cairo-dock and xcompmgr -n& after, I made it like this:
[13:17] <Pac-man> @setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
[13:17] <Pac-man> @lxpanel --profile Mint-LXDE
[13:17] <Pac-man> exec xwinwrap -ni -o 1.0 -fs -s -st -sp -b -nf -- mplayer -wid WID -quiet -nosound  /home/atlantean/.v.a-desk/piltover.wmv -loop 0 &
[13:17] <Pac-man> @cairo-dock
[13:17] <Pac-man> @xscreensaver -no-splash
[13:17] <FloodBot1> Pac-man: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:17] <Pac-man> @pcmanfm --desktop
[13:17] <usr13> Pac-man: What window manager and/or desktop environment are you using?
[13:18] <Pac-man> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442705/
[13:19] <Pac-man> I'm not sure what DE, but what I know, is that I have found autostart file and changed its contents, deleted all unnecessary files too, and the black border is still there, cause I dont like fake transparency for cairo
[13:20] <Pac-man> when I launch after logging and cairo-dock is loaded too -> xcompmgr -n& it works, but in autostart not anymore, thats weird I think
[13:21] <zykotick9> Pac-man: are you using Mint?
[13:21] <usr13> Pac-man: I don't know about the black border and I'm out of time anyway, but autostart files are particular to your window manager and/or desktop environment, so...
[13:21] <Pac-man> ?
[13:22] <usr13> ... and I've got to go now, so .... bye
[13:22] <Pac-man> I rebuild the os but I wouldnt say its mint or puppy
[13:22] <amagee> like, there's a gnome autostart file, a kde autostart file, an xfce autostart file...
[13:22] <Teleport> Hi, I'm trying to use OSC
[13:23] <Teleport> where I can find the instructions
[13:23] <zykotick9> Pac-man: i am hearing "not ubuntu" from your answer...
[13:23] <Pac-man> I edited all files, im no newbie; still, seems not to work
[13:23] <BAMbanda> is this the correct format for adding an apt-line? deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu saucy main
[13:24] <Pac-man> zykotick9: not particularily
[13:24] <zykotick9> BAMbanda: i'd suggest using the add-apt-repository, it'll automatically add the correct keys (that are required)
[13:24] <zykotick9> Pac-man: i'd suggest you try asking in ##linux then
[13:24] <Pac-man> most of code is ubuntu, but starting from console etc its new, still think about a name for it
[13:26] <Pac-man> I cant join linux cause erroneous nickname
[13:27] <philinux> BAMbanda: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
[13:27] <Pac-man> why everybody instead of trying to help, pushing away precious users?
[13:27] <Pac-man> thats why ppl are stop using linux
[13:27] <BAMbanda> Pac-man, thanks
[13:27] <Pac-man> for vwhat?
[13:28] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: did you have an Ubuntu support question?
[13:28] <Pac-man> yes
[13:28] <zykotick9> no
[13:28] <Pac-man> i asked already
[13:28] <pirret> ppl are stop using linux because it is shit on desktop use :)
[13:28] <BAMbanda> Pac-man, bitcoin repo help.
[13:28] <zykotick9> BAMbanda: it was philinux
[13:29] <BAMbanda> philinux, dude thanks
[13:29] <philinux> no worries
[13:29] <Pac-man> u kidding me? i wont pay u dudes for such help ...
[13:29] <gordonjcp> !ask | Pac-man
[13:29] <pirret> !retarded | Pac-man
[13:29] <zykotick9> gordonjcp: Pac-man isn't using ubuntu, please don't encourage support here
[13:30] <gordonjcp> zykotick9: oh
[13:30] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: if you're not using Ubuntu, you might be better asking in your distro's support channel
[13:31] <Pac-man> zykotick9: how can I get help on my own mixed alone system ! this is insane...
[13:31] <Rory> Pac-man: What distro did you download and install?
[13:32] <Rory> Pac-man: What is the output of the command: "cat /etc/issue" ?
[13:32] <Pac-man> 2 years ago it was 11 I think
[13:32] <Pac-man> but its not anymore like it
[13:32] <Rory> Pac-man: See the /topic for the currently supported Ubuntu versions: on the desktop that is 12.04, 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10
[13:32] <philinux> Pac-man: thats the problem - help may be hard to come by on a custom install as no one else can replicate your system
[13:33] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: can you clearly identify which bit is causing you problems?  Maybe you should ask in the IRC channel for that application?
[13:34] <Pac-man> so U admit you dont know how to use console, cause mostly you are windows users discouraging pingus, then if Im right You all those should be ashamed of yourself
[13:34] <ObrienDave> oh geez, full moon week LOL
[13:34] <pirret> yes, now leave
[13:34] <Pac-man> gordonjcp: This part http://paste.ubuntu.com/6442705/
[13:34] <philinux> Pac-man: try a thread in here too http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=401
[13:34] <pirret> Pac-man: bye bye
[13:35] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: that doesn't really mean a lot to me
[13:35] <amagee> being able to "use console" doesn't mean we know how to diagnose an arbitrary problem that arises between two applications and a configuration we don't know anything about
[13:35] <Pac-man> so I was right with my assumption like pirret said, so sad ;/
[13:35] <pirret> yes Pac-man now go
[13:35] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: what's in your pastebin would probably work, without errors, assuming all those things are installed
[13:35] <pirret> Pac-man: no one will help you here
[13:36] <pirret> because we are mostly windows users
[13:36] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: what you've pasted there appears to be a bit off the end of .xinitrc but you still haven't said what you're actually having a problem with
[13:36] <Pac-man> gordonjcp: I hoped too, but for 1st time was wrong
[13:36] <Dean_> Is there a channel specific for ubuntu desktop questions?
[13:36] <daftykins> 0o
[13:36] <daftykins> Dean_: you're in it
[13:37] <gordonjcp> Dean_: this one
[13:37] <Pac-man> gordonjcp: the xcompmgr -n& enables transparency in console after cairo-dock is loaded, but when I try to make it start automatically, it wont
[13:38] <Dean_> OK, I've installed ubuntu-desktop on server 12.04 without the package recommends. I can manage to login on the desktop environment but can't find any application in the dash. Am i doing something wrong?
[13:39] <gordonjcp> Pac-man: remove the "@" from the start of the line, see if that allows it to show you some errors
[13:39] <zykotick9> Pac-man: are you using startx?  if not .xinitrc probably isn't being run, try .xsessions i believe
[13:40] <Pac-man> zykotick9: I saw its xsessions, so I dont see any reason I should log out now and check it again, its illogical it doesnt work, I think its kind of bug
[13:40] <Pac-man> where can I find a list of all system files loaded?
[13:40] <Rory> Pac-man: What desktop environment / window manager are you using (eg Unity, XFCE)
[13:41] <Pac-man> not the short one, the bigger one
[13:41] <Pac-man> XFCE
[13:41] <Rory> Pac-man: Can you please run the command "cat /etc/issue" and let me know the output?
[13:41] <Pac-man> and there is a switch too
[13:42] <Pac-man> I dont have it anymore, was redundant
[13:43] <Pac-man> do I need to adhere .desktop files and if then which one run first, those autostarted as .desktop or those without?
[13:43] <Anaxandridas> zykotick9, BluesKaj, thank you for the assistance. Zyko, DeVeDe APPEARS to be working, although it's taking longer than if I were to make the damned DVD myself, using a sharp rock and a piece of glass. So, I'm going to stick with that. If by chance usr13 logs back on, I thank him for all his help, too.
[13:43] <Rory> Pac-man: Can you tell me the output of the command: "grep RELEASE /etc/lsb-release"
[13:43] <Anaxandridas> Of course, if it doesn't work, I'll come back here and whine some more.
[13:44] <zykotick9> Anaxandridas: ya, it has to encode the video - takes time.  best of luck.
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. yes devede has come along way since inception, it should work well for you
[13:45] <philinux> Anaxandridas: more coffee and patience. They do take a time dependant on pc power
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Anaxandridas. , but video encoding does take a while for sure
[13:46] <Pac-man> ROry: just goes to > and I think its normal, when its still under construction
[13:46] <Rory> Pac-man: Can you copy and paste the command: grep RELEASE /etc/lsb-release
[13:46] <Anaxandridas> philinux, thank you too, I couldn't find your name again :D    And yes, although my computer is 'new', it's still slightly less powerful than a gigapet was...
[13:46] <Pac-man> grep RELEASE /etc/lsb-release
[13:46] <Pac-man> done ;p
[13:47] <Rory> !pm > videocall
[13:47] <Pac-man> DISTRIB RELEASE=11
[13:47] <molgrum> if i use unity instead of gnome shell, the system sounds are not playing. any idea why this is?
[13:48] <pirret> so Pac-man is not even using ubuntu
[13:48] <Pac-man> sorry, but I see I lost time in here, some guestions shouldn't be asked liek that and I'm not willingly to show you the look and fell of this os now, sorry, I will find it myself maybe
[13:48] <Pac-man> pirret: I said its not Ubuntu anymore, but neither is Puppy.
[13:48] <Pac-man> its hybrid
[13:49] <Pac-man> pirret: learn english better man
[13:49] <pirret> and videocall is spamming some link on pm
[13:49] <pirret> Pac-man: so leave this channel, we cannot help you here
[13:49] <DJones> Pac-man: /whois videocall
[13:49] <DJones> Pac-man: Sorry
[13:49] <pirret> try #linux maybe
[13:49] <allstarsnorks2> I think I kinda messed up my Ubuntu install a little
[13:50] <Pac-man> bye
[13:50] <Pac-man> have a nice life
[13:50] <pirret> byee
[13:50] <Rory> !details | allstarsnorks2
[13:51] <allstarsnorks2> I tried removing xfce4 desktop environment with --purge command. After all that, my user bar went missing.
[13:52] <allstarsnorks2> Is that normal or
[13:52] <cfhowlett> allstarsnorks2, did you logout and choose a different windows environment?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> then login?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> !spam|videocall
[13:52] <[Gentoo]> allstarsnorks2: what user bar? the one in xfce?
[13:52] <allstarsnorks2> cfhowlett: nah, I reinstalled Ubuntu
[13:52] <DJones> !ati
[13:53] <Rory> allstarsnorks2: Did you run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" is that what you mean by reinstall Ubuntu?
[13:53] <cfhowlett> allstarsnorks2, wait so you removed xfce and THEN you reinstalled?
[13:53] <allstarsnorks2> gentoo: the Ubuntu Unity userbae
[13:53] <TonyHarris> !xfce
[13:54] <shadytv> allstarsnorks2, if you reinstalled ubuntu why are you having problems with xfce?
[13:54] <allstarsnorks2> cfhowlett: removed xfce from Unity, userbar went missing. Then I reinstalled.
[13:55] <allstarsnorks2> Like from Live USB and stuff
[13:55] <Rory> allstarsnorks2: so, what problem are you currently having, I'm a little confused
[13:55] <shadytv> !spam | videocall
[13:55] <cfhowlett> !ops  videocall is spamming a whole bunch of us
[13:55] <Guest38018> I tried xdotools, but I cannot the window name of firefox, anybody know about xdotool?
[13:56] <amagee> Guest38018: i got it working earlier with "Mozilla Firefox"
[13:56] <Rory> allstarsnorks2: so, what problem are you currently having, I'm a little confused
[13:56] <Guest38018> could you give me some working example?
[13:57] <amagee> Guest38018: i did earlier :P
[13:57] <Guest38018> wait a minute
[13:57] <Guest38018> need to flashback :p
[13:58] <allstarsnorks2> Rory: Just asking. How do I do the --purge command without screwing up my install?
[13:58] <Rory> allstarsnorks2: sudo apt-get --purge remove packagename
[13:58] <zykotick9> Rory: fyi, you can use ".. apt-get purge foo" these days
[13:58] <allstarsnorks2> Oh. I see.
[13:58] <Rory> zykotick9: OK TIL, I thought that was just aptitude syntax
[13:59] <Rory> allstarsnorks2: I don't understand the issue you were having though; removing xfce4 will of course remove the xfce panel
[13:59] <zykotick9> Rory: use to be, but it was moved over
[13:59] <allstarsnorks2> Sorry guys, just switched from Windows.
[13:59] <[Gentoo]> Rory: he apt-get purge xfce then unity bar has gone
[13:59] <[Gentoo]> he said
[13:59] <Rory> That's a little odd
[14:00] <Rory> But that installation is gone now, so we'll never know
[14:01] <[Gentoo]> who cares then
[14:01] <[Gentoo]> :)
[14:01] <allstarsnorks2> Kudos to the Ubuntu team. The operating system looks dope.
[14:01] <Rory> I just wondered if there was some sort of more fundamental misunderstanding going on, and an explanation could prevent future problems
[14:01] <Rory> !yay | allstarsnorks2
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> allstarsnorks2  then make it look more like you like it
[14:07] <Rory> MonkeyDust: ?
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> must have misunderstood "looks dope", i guess
[14:08] <Rory> looking dope is a good thing in this context
[14:08] <ObrienDave> slang for "looks cool"
[14:08] <[Gentoo]> its the same as looks sick, sound wrong
[14:08] <[Gentoo]> but means good
[14:09] <[Gentoo]> or looks "bad"
[14:09] <[Gentoo]> can me good
[14:09] <[Gentoo]> weirdos
[14:09] <ObrienDave> "bad" is the new "good"
[14:09] <Rory> ObrienDave: ubuntu 14.04 slogan revealed!
[14:09] <[Gentoo]> badass badger
[14:09] <Rory> We had a breezy badger
[14:09] <ObrienDave> Rory, LOL
[14:10] <[Gentoo]> dope donkey
[14:11] <philinux> allstarsnorks2: http://imagebin.org/277863
[14:11] <allstarsnorks2> Actually, Ubuntu looks cooler with GNOME
[14:12] <shadytv> [Gentoo] lol I laughed harder than i should at that
[14:14] <allstarsnorks2> Is 25GB enough for Ubuntu?
[14:14] <[Gentoo]> i would hope so
[14:14] <cfhowlett> allstarsnorks2, unless you have massive amounts of data ... yes
[14:15] <[Gentoo]> for the core OS, if you have another disk i would always put videos, music etc on there
[14:15] <Stanley00> allstarsnorks2: would be enough, default ubuntu install take about 4GB or so
[14:16] <allstarsnorks2> Keep disconnecting
[14:16] <[Gentoo]> wireless?
[14:17] <allstarsnorks2> Yep. My phone.
[14:17] <[Gentoo]> ah
[14:17] <zykotick9> Stanley00: according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements it's 5GB minimum (i guess your "or so" is still accurate)
[14:17] <[Gentoo]> the joys
[14:18] <allstarsnorks2> Anyways, I'm basing my Linux distro off Ubuntu.
[14:18] <[Gentoo]> i thought you were new to linux
[14:18] <allstarsnorks2> Well, I got some experience
[14:18] <allstarsnorks2> Because SuseStudio
[14:19] <Stanley00> zykotick9: ok, last time I install Ubuntu is about 9 months ago, so I can't remember the size exactly :D
[14:19] <Mavve> -
[14:19] <allstarsnorks2> Can't wait for Ubuntu 14.04!
[14:20] <[Gentoo]> whats new in that
[14:20] <cfhowlett> !saucy
[14:20] <allstarsnorks2> Idk lol
[14:20] <[Gentoo]> lol
[14:20] <allstarsnorks2> We'll have to wait for beta releases
[14:21] <allstarsnorks2> But is Ubuntu 14.04 already codenamed?
[14:21] <ObrienDave> !trusty
[14:22] <philinux> allstarsnorks2: 12gig big enough if you do kernel housekeeping - with a separate data partition for vids music etc etc
[14:25] <deployment> anyone know an IRC channel for VBS or anyone know VBS. (i know asking here is wrong- sorry)
[14:25] <allstarsnorks2> I bet Ubuntu 14.10's codename will be 'Ultimate Ubuntu'
[14:25] <[Gentoo]> nah
[14:26] <allstarsnorks2> Then 15.04 is Vested Vampire
[14:29] <ObrienDave> 15.10 Wasted Wastrel?
[14:30] <reisio> ObrienDave: willy wonka
[14:30] <BluesKaj> windows wannabe :)
[14:30] <ObrienDave> LMAO
[14:31] <ObrienDave> I vote for Willie Wonka
[14:31] <BluesKaj> of course :)
[14:31] <[Gentoo]> dont they have to be animal names?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yeah
[14:31] <ObrienDave> [Gentoo], buzz kill ;))
[14:31] <BluesKaj> obscure animals at that
[14:32] <[Gentoo]> ObrienDave: sorry :)
[14:33] <[Gentoo]> Wasted Wombat
[14:33] <ObrienDave> there ya go, that's the spirit LOL
[14:34] <ObrienDave> 15.04 Vicious Viper
[14:36] <dassa> Does anybody here manage a server professionally?  'cause I need to ask you some questions for a class project.
[14:36] <Pici> !offtopic
[14:36] <cfhowlett> !server|dassa,
[14:36] <Rory> dassa: PM me
[14:37] <Pici> Can we please keep this channel to support, not for animal husbandry
[14:37] <Rory> Pici: No venereal vicunas?
[14:37] <Pici> Rory: no.
[14:37] <dassa> Yeah, oops.
[14:37] <gimmic> why is the most recent update trying to overwrite my preferences for browser
[14:38] <gimmic> that.. is silly
[14:38] <gimmic> defaults.list update
[14:39] <gimmic> an update provided via desktop-file-utils, trying to overwrite gnome's defaults.list to set firefox as default
[14:39] <zykotick9> gimmic: are you sure it is?  are your preferences in your home folder?
[14:39] <gimmic> I hope that's an error
[14:39] <BluesKaj> animal husbandry , who said anything about animal breeding , just suggesting a few names , Pici while there was a lull in the action
[14:39] <h00k> gimmic: if it's true, can you report it as a bug against that package?
[14:41] <te> h00k: Sure you can.  Just email the package maintainer(s).
[14:41] <zykotick9> !bug > te
[14:42] <te> h00k: But make sure it's really a bug first, and google about it.
[14:42] <te> !bug | h00k
[14:42] <zykotick9> te: it's gimmic with the "bug", not h00k
[14:43] <zykotick9> te: i sent YOU !bug 'cause maintainers don't want emails, it's bug-reports they need.
[14:44] <h00k> te: yeah. I know ;)
[14:44] <e-dard> Hi, can someone explain why apt-get thinks it's installed latest version? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6443093/
[14:44] <reisio> e-dard: why wouldn't it
[14:44] <e-dard> reisio: because I instructed it to install 1.4.3
[14:44] <e-dard> and it kept 1.4.1
[14:44] <h00k> gimmic: feel free to check out the article that te had sent me, and you can report it on launchpad
[14:45] <h00k> te: but thank you :)
[14:45] <zykotick9> !info nginx
[14:45] <zykotick9> e-dard: 1.4.1 is the saucy version
[14:45] <e-dard> zykotick9: we have another PPA
[14:46] <reisio> 1.4.3 is available for 14.04
[14:46] <Pici> e-dard: does  apt-cache policy nginx  agree that 1.4.3. is available?
[14:46] <e-dard> reisio: we have 1.4.3 available to us in 12.04
[14:47] <DJones> e-dard: Which ppa are you using?
[14:47] <e-dard> Pici: nginx: Installed: 1.4.3-2~precise0 Candidate: 1.4.3-2~precise0
[14:47] <e-dard> This is not good :(
[14:47] <e-dard> $ nginx -v   -- > nginx version: nginx/1.4.1
[14:47] <e-dard> DJones: ppa:nginx
[14:49] <e-dard> So apt-cache says 1.4.3 is installed but it's not
[14:49] <e-dard> any ideas?
[14:49] <Pici> e-dard: no, 1.4.3 is installed.  Sounds like there may be something wrong with your PPA package.
[14:50] <e-dard> Pici: but why 1.4.1 coming up as the version?
[14:50] <justpie> Hey all, I am getting  a weird error on shutdown. Filename too large. //etc/rc0.d/s90hault syntax error fi unexpected.
[14:50] <justpie> Any ideas?
[14:53] <Pici> e-dard: I don't know. Sorry.
[14:53] <e-dard> hmm
[14:54] <e-dard> bugger
[14:54] <e-dard> so now apt-get  has screwed me :(
[14:55] <jpds> Well, that's what happens when you use a PPA.
[14:55] <zykotick9> jpds: +1
[14:57] <jnhghy> I have shift+deleted a folder, is there anything I can do at this point to get back my data? (about 3mb)
[14:58] <zykotick9> !undelete | jnhghy
[15:00] <anest_> anyone know good channel about wifi/mesh/networks on irc?
[15:00] <jnhghy> thanks zykotick9, they are not very important, just wanted to verify someting in an outdated txt file and hoped there were some easy to fallow(2 click ...) solutions.... thanks for the info anyway, I hope I won't need it from now on ...
[15:00] <Pici> anest_: ##networking might be a good place to start
[15:00] <anest_> i need irc to ask some questions
[15:01] <anest_> about roof permissions, etc
[15:02] <anest_> 1700 ppl and no one know? oh well...
[15:03] <te> timezone?
[15:03] <anest_> me?
[15:03] <Pici> anest_: I told you to ask in ##networking, did you not see that?
[15:03] <anest_> i did'nt :| sry
[15:04] <anest_> thnx!
[15:06] <te> !timezone
[15:07] <IceCraft> hi
[15:08] <IceCraft> i have a little problem. It looks like ubuntu blocks port 994. I can use ports like 6667 etc for my ircd but 944 won't work
[15:08] <CapaH> I have several servers behind a firewall, and I want to configure them to send emails through an internet facing server. Generally speaking, would I do this with Postfix, or what is the cleanest/most painless way to do this? Basically I want to configure one internet facing server to serve as the mail-server for a network of other servers which do not have internet connectivity.
[15:08] <IceCraft> also checked with netstat. no program uses the port
[15:08] <wsnipex> why do you think the port is blocked?
[15:08] <IceCraft> The error is: Can't bind to 994 Permission denied
[15:09] <wsnipex> ports <1024 are priviledged ports
[15:09] <Rory> IceCraft: Ports below 1024 need root access to bind to
[15:09] <IceCraft> aah
[15:09] <wsnipex> they need root to bind to
[15:09] <wsnipex> unless you use some trickery
[15:09] <IceCraft> is there any way to bypass that?
[15:09] <IceCraft> ah
[15:09] <wsnipex> start as root
[15:09] <Rory> IceCraft: i'd recommend just using a port higher than 1024, if that is the easiest way for you
[15:09] <IceCraft> hmm
[15:10] <wsnipex> beware, start as root doesn't mean RUN as root
[15:10] <IceCraft> ah
[15:10] <wsnipex> you should never do that
[15:10] <IceCraft> how do you mean that?
[15:10] <wsnipex> a proper server software uses priviledge separation
[15:11] <IceCraft> yep
[15:11] <IceCraft> the server won't start as root
[15:11] <wsnipex> and will drop down to run as a user that has the minimum required rights
[15:11] <IceCraft> yep
[15:12] <wsnipex> there is no good reason to run an ircd on priviledged ports
[15:12] <te> IceCraft: I don't know how one would "start as root"...?
[15:12] <IceCraft> sorry, sudor bla bla
[15:12] <IceCraft> *-r
[15:12] <te> IceCraft:  Not sure what you are talking about.  Start what server?
[15:12] <IceCraft> an ircd
[15:13] <IceCraft> also doesn't iptables has a redirect function?
[15:13] <IceCraft> so forwarding one port to another? like 994->6697
[15:13] <wsnipex> CapaH, thats a classic smtp server setup
[15:14] <wsnipex> IceCraft, why don't you run your ircq on 666x?
[15:14] <wsnipex> ircd*
[15:15] <te> IceCraft: Sure
[15:15] <IceCraft> great
[15:15] <oman> ciao
[15:15] <te> IceCraft: As to running ircd as root, pretty much all deamons run as root.
[15:16] <IceCraft> wouldn't be very secure or?
[15:16] <Pici> te: not really.
[15:16] <zykotick9> te: s/deamons/daemons/
[15:16] <wsnipex> read what I told you about priviledge separation abaove
[15:18] <Pici> wsnipex: agreed.
[15:18] <IceCraft> okay, so removing the separation is one possibility
[15:19] <wsnipex> IceCraft, nope
[15:19] <IceCraft> why not
[15:20] <wsnipex> 1. it would be inherently insecure
[15:20] <wsnipex> 2. there is no need
[15:20] <IceCraft> ah
[15:20] <te> Pici: Well, not all, but most do.
[15:20] <IceCraft> okay, so the iptables redirect will do it. Thanks alot
[15:20] <wsnipex> and you didn't answer why you don't run your ircd on a port > 1024
[15:21] <te> Pici: ftpd httpd cups etc...
[15:21] <wsnipex> 6000-8000 is the usual range
[15:21] <Pici> te: apache httpd runs as www-root
[15:21] <wsnipex> te, none of those runs as root
[15:22] <te> Really?
[15:22] <wsnipex> well maybe some old ftpd
[15:22] <wsnipex> again, starting as root != run as root
[15:23] <te> That is news to me.
[15:24] <te> I have always assumed that if it takes super user to start and stop a service, that it ran as root.
[15:25] <te>  I realize that is not a valid assumption, but for all practicle purposes they are started and stoped with super user pivileges.
[15:26] <wsnipex> te, some reading: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/ssh/privsep.html
[15:27] <te> The scripts that start them are run as root
[15:29] <ubuntuNewbie> hi, I have a problem with installing ubuntu on Parallels Desktop 6
[15:29] <ubuntuNewbie> I tried to install ubuntu 12.04LTS 32bit
[15:29] <ubuntuNewbie> I got error message
[15:31] <te> I'm seeing httpd showing root as it's user, (root started it).
[15:31] <daftykins> ubuntuNewbie: how many guesses do i get on what this error is?
[15:31] <te> ps aux
[15:31] <sandman13> does the software for 13.04 work on 13.10
[15:32] <Rory> !details | ubuntuNewbie
[15:32] <ubuntuNewbie> "ubuntu 12.04 bug : soft lockup cpu#0 stuck for 22s!"
[15:32] <Rory> sandman13: it's not recommended to mix repositories; what are you wanting to do?
[15:32] <Rory> ubottu: Can you verify the integrity of the installation iso by selecting that option from the menu when you boot it?
[15:33] <te> anyway thankd Pici and wsnipex, I'll look into the info you have given me.
[15:33] <sandman13> trying to install virtualbox for 13.10 but official page says only 13.04 available Rory
[15:33] <Rory> ubuntuNewbie: see my message earlier
[15:33] <Rory> sandman13: "sudo apt-get install virtualbox"
[15:35] <Rory> sandman13: But in this specific case anyway, I know the provided package for ubuntu works on 13.10 because I'm using it right now to type this
[15:35] <philinux> sandman13: says 13.10 on download page https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[15:36] <auronandace> sandman13: why don't you use virtualbox from the ubuntu repos?
[15:36] <sandman13> doing that thanks every one
[15:37] <Touhou11> Nothing wrong with downloading from the website though, the repos are often shipping ancient versions
[15:37] <zykotick9> Touhou11: bad advice
[15:37] <philinux> auronandace: usb support for one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/Installation
[15:38] <Touhou11> I personally trust the original creators of software to provide decent binaries more than a random packager. Look at the Debian SSL fuckup
[15:38] <zerowaitstate> is there a tool for producing debian source packages for a python3 distutils-based package?
[15:39] <zerowaitstate> sorry wrong channel
[15:40] <philinux> virtualbox in repo cant do usb
[15:40] <Rory> 1info virtualbox-nonfree
[15:40] <sandman13> auronandace the virtualbox from repos is outdated
[15:41] <WebGen> hi guys, I wonder, I know it's unlikely but still making sure, is it possible to put subunit on newly released kindle fire hdx? I'm not positive on how the general process of rooting goes but I assumed maybe some of the Linux gurus would know? I'm ready to contribute cause I am under bored with kindle os it's so limited. thanks in advance very much!
[15:41] <auronandace> sandman13: is there a feature you need in a newer one?
[15:41] <Rory> WebGen: what is subunit/
[15:41] <sandman13> yes and no auronandace
[15:42] <auronandace> sandman13: either you need it or you don't
[15:42] <WebGen> I meant ubuntu kindle fire doesn't even have word in its Swype, proof of how lame it is
[15:42] <sandman13> auronandace i need extension pack for the version
[15:42] <philinux> sandman13: if you need to print via usb or other usb peripheral then the vbox website version is needed
[15:43] <bean> WebGen: you're probably looking for ubuntu touch
[15:43] <bean> !touch | WebGen
[15:43] <sandman13> philinux the current version does not detect my usb drive
[15:44] <WebGen> bean , thanks I'll take a look hehe )
[15:45] <philinux> sandman13: you mean version 4.3.2
[15:45] <sandman13> nope 4.2.16 philinux
[15:46] <philinux> sandman13: download 4.3.2 from vb website
[15:46] <ObrienDave> and the guest additions ISO
[15:46] <falcom> hmmm how can i avoid typing term=xterm everytime i ssh into a ubuntu machine?
[15:46] <sandman13> will do philinux
[15:47] <philinux> sandman13: get their user manual. shows how to set it all up
[15:47] <CarlFK> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop  "Ubuntu 13.10 will be supported for 9 months..."  Has it always been 9 months?  I thought it was more like 2 years ?
[15:47] <torkelatgenet> Can i disconnect a sata drive if it's unmounted and in standby mode?
[15:47] <ObrienDave> CarlFK, used to be 18 months
[15:47] <sandman13> okay philinux
[15:47] <helmut_> hi
[15:47] <auronandace> CarlFK: 13.10 was the first to switch to the 9 month cycle, previously it was 18 months
[15:47] <CarlFK> torkelatgenet: yep - its plug n play
[15:47] <philinux> sandman13: shows how to set up guest additions properly
[15:47] <torkelatgenet> :)
[15:48] <ubuntuNewbie> I have a problem with installing ubuntu12.04LTS 32bit. I'm trying to run ubuntu on Parallels Desktop 6(for osX). And I got error message like "ubuntu 12.04 bug : soft lockup cpu#0 stuck for 22s! [udevd:1160]" and lots of other messages (screenshot : http://mimosa.snucse.org/~hemi/errormessage.png). How can i fix this problem?
[15:48] <Pici> /70/72
[15:48] <CarlFK> ObrienDave: auronandace thanks - thought I was going batty :)
[15:48] <ObrienDave> CarlFK, possibly ;)
[15:49] <philinux> sandman13: thats a lot of reading http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/
[15:50] <DarthDepa> Hi guys :) In order to install Ubuntu 13.10 Server (with 2 partition) on the same HDD with Windows 8, how I have to procede?
[15:50] <daftykins> DarthDepa: if you're setting up a server, it would generally be wiser to pick a Long Term Support (LTS) release as they're supported for longer
[15:51] <DarthDepa> nono, no server :) I need server edition because I have to install a lot of package my own
[15:51] <badger> Hello, anyone able to help out with a broadcom driver issue?
[15:51] <ObrienDave> DarthDepa, especially since the new LTS is due out in April
[15:52] <bean> DarthDepa: you dont need server edition to install your own packages.
[15:52] <DarthDepa> I need server edition... :)
[15:53] <bean> DarthDepa: if its not a server why do you need server?
[15:53] <mmiller13_> Does anyone knows how to recover data after a format and a file system change. ubuntu installation formatted my hhd and changed the file system. Am not sure if anything could be recover; does anyone have a solution???
[15:53] <zykotick9> DarthDepa: do you plan on installing a GUI?
[15:53] <DarthDepa> zykotick9: no :)
[15:53] <MonkeyDust> DarthDepa  go for 12.04 LTS Server, is our advice
[15:53] <zykotick9> DarthDepa: ok, just checkin'
[15:53] <natural> please help, i cant find 'brun' effect/ animation, i cant find animation add-on option in compiz, i have 'sudo apt-get installed compiz ...extras
[15:53] <natural> using 13.04
[15:54] <DarthDepa> zykotick9: I can follow the common procedure?
[15:54] <Aaron> nice net split
[15:54] <badger> hello?
[15:54] <xangua> natural: you won't...unless you compile it yourself
[15:54] <mmiller13_> Has anyone run into any problems installing 13.10 on a 64 bit system?
[15:54] <xangua> !anyone | mmiller13_
[15:55] <fishduck> zup.. woke up this morning without a clock on the top bar! Anyone experiencing the same thing?
[15:55] <DarthDepa> zykotick9: insert the Ubuntu media and follow steps...
[15:55] <zykotick9> DarthDepa: honestly, if you have win8 i assume you have uefi - and i have NO idea how that works.  best of luck.
[15:55] <xangua> fishduck: using 13.10¿
[15:55] <fishduck> indeed I am xangua, very much so sire.
[15:55] <natural> xangua, why?!?! why god why?!?! lol, i was guessing as much, burnawas the coolest an, and beam too.  i cant believe they took those two out, they arethe only animations i liked, lol, the irony. no other ideas how to get burn effect windows on 13.04? is it back in 13.10?
[15:56] <MonkeyDust> !uefi | DarthDepa did you read this
[15:56] <badger> anyone able to help with broadcom 4311 wifi issue?
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> badger: ask away
[15:56] <zykotick9> !broadcom | badger did you already try/see this?
[15:56] <xangua> fishduck: everytime that happened i had to restart, I went back to 12.04
[15:57] <Shockwave> hi! how  I can optimized my server ubuntu =??
[15:57] <Shockwave> software for do a test
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Shockwave: set vm.swappiness to a low figure if you have lots of RAM
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Shockwave: swap on a different pysical disk
[15:58] <Shockwave> ActionParsnip: ok! thanks
[15:58] <badger> ActionParsnip, zykotick9  Yes i have read that but im having trouble as I have tried some one if and it didnt work can anyone make sure I do it right, i have had it working before but the same solution isnt working this time
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> badger: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[15:59] <mmiller13_> Does anyone knows how to recover data after a format and a file system change. ubuntu installation formatted my hhd and changed the file system. Am not sure if anything could be recover; does anyone have a solution???
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: use your backups
[15:59] <badger> ActionParsnip, cat /etc/issue
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> badger: yes run it in a terminal, what is output?
[15:59] <badger> ActionParsnip, gives this. Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[15:59] <zykotick9> mmiller13_: you might want to try testdisk
[15:59] <badger> its a clean install
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: otherise you will need a partition of equal or greater size than your whole disk and use foremost
[16:00] <Shockwave> do you do joomla or mysql=???
[16:00] <badger> apt-get had broken so i just ran a fresh installation
[16:00] <zorael> Can anyone recommend a visual patch tool? For times when I have a diff that *almost* applies, something that will pop the files up next to eachother and highlight mismatches
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: you will lose name and location data but the files may be recoverable. If the area where data was stored before has been overwritten the data is LOST
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> mmiller13_  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: why do you not have a backup
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: what if your drive IDE fails, or the motor does not spin, where is your data?
[16:01] <mmiller13__> It's not my fault
[16:01] <MonkeyDust> zorael  to patch what?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> mmiller13_: educate people then :)
[16:02] <zorael> MonkeyDust: any source
[16:02] <MonkeyDust> zorael  "any source" is a bit vague, what are you doing
[16:03] <zorael> MonkeyDust: I'm just asking if someone knows a tool that helps when you have a patch that doesn't cleanly apply.
[16:03] <zorael> (they're kernel patches FWIW)
[16:03] <Shockwave> how mount asterisk in my server=??
[16:03] <Shockwave> for the practice
[16:03] <MonkeyDust> zorael  ok, so kernel patches, that's something
[16:04] <zorael> MonkeyDust: But it's irrelevant.
[16:04] <badger> ActionParsnip, I have tried some of this already can you give some further advice?
[16:04] <Shockwave> the channel of ubuntu server =??
[16:04] <Shockwave>  the channel of ubuntu server =??
[16:04] <Shockwave>  the channel of ubuntu server =??
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> Shockwave  #ubuntu-server
[16:05] <Shockwave> MonkeyDust: danke, thanks, gracias
[16:09] <sandman13> why so many people hate unity?
[16:09] <compdoc> I like it
[16:10] <zykotick9> sandman13: a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:10] <sandman13> zykotick9 okay
[16:10] <compdoc> but the new Ubuntu doesnt work well for vnc, etc. They screwed it up
[16:12] <Rory> !details | compdoc
[16:14] <zykotick9> Rory: the reasons a 3D desktop doesn't work well across VNC should be obvious.  compdoc doesn't need to give details, i don't think that's the issue they're in here for.
[16:15] <esde> i've got nautilus launched with gksudo nautilus and am trying to modify permissions of a dir. However, when I change any setting on the permissions tab, the value immediately reverts. I know I can use the cli to achieve the same changes I want to do with the gui, but this has happened before too.
[16:15] <esde> ubuntu 12.04.3
[16:15] <zykotick9> esde: is this a FAT or NTFS formatted partition?
[16:15] <Rory> zykotick9: I know, I'm just pointing out that one can't just say blanket statements like "[Ubuntu] screwed [their release] up" based on the fact that one is having VNC issues
[16:15] <elixir_> How to disable these notfications?
[16:16] <elixir_>  tarndt_ (~tarndt@205.185.157.220) has joined #ubuntu
[16:16] <elixir_> How to disable these?
[16:16] <Rory> elixir_: Which IRc client are you using?
[16:16] <elixir_> xchat
[16:16] <zykotick9> Rory: ahhh, sorry my bad.
[16:16] <elixir_> Received a CTCP VERSION from Rory
[16:16] <Rory> elixir_: it was quicker than asking ;)
[16:17] <esde> zykotick9, it says fuseblk
[16:17] <Rory> elixir_: Try /set irc_conf_mode 1
[16:17] <elixir_> Thanks!
[16:17] <elixir_> worked
[16:17] <elixir_> Rory, thanks!
[16:18] <zykotick9> esde: i'm not sure where you saw that.  but i'm guessing it is FAT/NTFS... and you CAN'T apply POSIX permissions to FAT/NTFS partitions.
[16:18] <zykotick9> esde: from a terminal does "mount" show the partition and the format?
[16:18] <esde> zykotick9, and it's impossible to convert the filesystem in place right? i have to move the data off, reformat, then replace the data?
[16:19] <zykotick9> esde: correct, you can't convert it.
[16:19] <esde> it's not the system disk, just an extra drive
[16:19] <esde> coool, thank you for the help :)
[16:20] <zykotick9> esde: keep in mind, if you want to use the drive with windows/mac fat/ntfs IS your best option!
[16:21] <natural> woops, i am at a loss, i had no idea what dange dave was, i thought it was a cartoon about rescue heros. crap guyys, what a bad deal.
[16:22] <natural> oh, btw dangerdan is someone that falls in love over the internet? thats weird.
[16:22] <jmgk> hi
[16:22] <Pici> hi
[16:23] <Rory> !yay | jmgk
[16:23] <jmgk> yay
[16:23] <jmgk> i works
[16:24] <jmgk> WEbchat issues Rory
[16:24] <dracan_lin> hi everyone
[16:25] <Rory> dracan_lin: hello
[16:29] <WebGen> Rory
[16:30] <Rory> WebGen
[16:30] <WebGen> h haha sorry I was gonna search your name you write to me earlier
[16:31] <Rory> WebGen: I'm pretty sure the only thing I've ever said to you is "what is subunit"
[16:32] <WebGen> oh ok, I just had the notification anyways cool :p
[16:33] <jeffrash> Do we have a fix for the 13.10 freezing on boot issue?
[16:34] <zykotick9> jeffrash: did you try nomodeset?
[16:37] <BarackObama_313> Hello World.
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset
[16:38] <BarackObama_313> Linux Mint won't boot when installed with UNetbootin.
[16:38] <zykotick9> !mint | BarackObama_313
[16:39] <ObrienDave> BarackObama_313, probably a bad DL. you check with MD5?
[16:39] <BarackObama_313> I did not. I don't know how.
[16:39] <BarackObama_313> Mayube I should learn.
[16:39] <ObrienDave> maybe so
[16:39] <zykotick9> ObrienDave: please don't offer support for mint here
[16:39] <iyouni> hi
[16:39] <BarackObama_313> Ubuntu installed fine using Unetbootin but Mint could not. I tried 3 different installs.
[16:39] <iyouni> hw ar yo
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> iyouni  vr gd ty
[16:40] <iyouni> what
[16:40] <iyouni> whay
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[16:41] <iyouni> +i
[16:41] <jeffrash> testing now
[16:41] <iyouni> ys
[16:43] <BarackObama_313> I don't care for the sidebar in Ubuntu.
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> BarackObama_313: you dont have to use it
[16:44] <BarackObama_313> Is there a way to disable it?
[16:44] <jmgk> hi abradley
[16:44] <jmgk> BarackObama_313:  I voited for you MR President
[16:44] <BarackObama_313> =]
[16:44] <BarackObama_313> Yes we can.
[16:44] <ObrienDave> try Xubuntu. no sidebar needed ;)
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> BarackObama_313: install gnome-panel   log off and log in to the new session
[16:44]  * jmgk shakes hands with BarackObama_313  
[16:44] <jeffrash> That seems to have worked but now I'm in standard graphics mode
[16:44] <BarackObama_313> www.whitehouse.gov
[16:45] <BarackObama_313> I do like Xubuntu. All around good distro.
[16:46] <jmgk> thanks BarackObama_313
[16:46] <BarackObama_313> I'll try that from the Library ActionParsnip.
[16:46] <BarackObama_313> I'm on Windows right now.
[16:46] <BarackObama_313> I run Linix from the Public Library.
[16:47] <BarackObama_313> You're welcome jmgk.
[16:48] <Dante> hello
[16:48] <dracan_lin> hi Dante
[16:48] <Screwba> heya all...I have a question
[16:48] <BarackObama_313> Yes Screwba?
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> Screwba  let's hear it, in one line
[16:48] <BarackObama_313> 140 charactors or less.
[16:48] <daftykins> with punctuation
[16:48] <BarackObama_313> and Capitization.
[16:49] <dracan_lin> and excellent pronounciation :-D
[16:49] <sandman13> have anyone tried installing windows 8 as vm in Vbox
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> and not typed to fast, i'm a slow reader
[16:49] <daftykins> sandman13: that doesn't count as ubuntu support i'm afraid. try finding a virtualbox channel
[16:49] <Pici> sandman13: I'm sure people have.  #vbox should be able to help you if you are having problems.
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> too*
[16:49] <Screwba> I created an Upstart script which waits for my interface to be up and running and then a script kicks off to rename and configure the machine, I use the host or dig command to pull SRV records from DNS but it appears that it is not getting any SRV records.  What is the DNS daemon or DNS utilities which need to load so I can use the host or dig command?
[16:49] <sandman13> got it
[16:50] <BarackObama_313> Very specialized question there Screwba.
[16:50] <BarackObama_313> I suggest a forum post.
[16:50] <daftykins> Screwba: package 'dnsutils' ?
[16:51] <Screwba> BarackObama_313: mainly, I need to know 'what' service/daemon controls the DNS lookup functions
[16:51] <Rory> Screwba: When you run that part of your upstart script manually in a terminal, does it return the results you expect?
[16:51] <BarackObama_313> Do you have an ubuntu book? Refer to the index.
[16:52] <Screwba> I see that mDNS or something like that is started prior to my script running but seems like I can not do DNS queries using host or dig during boot up
[16:52] <Screwba> Rory:  If I run the script after the machine boots up, yes, everything works perfectly and it completes fine
[16:53] <Screwba> daftykins:  definately installed but is it dependent on a daemon or just that my interface be up and running?
[16:54] <Screwba> daftykins:  also that my resolv.conf is configured and has DNS servers listed of course
[16:55] <genii> Screwba: The "dig" command is in the package dnsutils, the "host" command is in package bind9-host
[16:56] <BarackObama_313> The Ubuntu software repo app is wonderful.
[16:57] <BarackObama_313> I can find many cool different applications.
[16:57] <daftykins> Screwba: are you running this script on a very barebones installation or something?
[16:58] <hmamouchi_> Salut à Tous
[17:02] <hmamouchi_> Yat-il un moyen de les faire comme ça http://www.securitronlinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/voyager-desktop.jpg terminal :)
[17:03] <hmamouchi_> os : Crunchbang
[17:04] <Screwba> genii:  I have both packages installed
[17:04] <OerHeks> hmamouchi_, crunchbang is not supported here in #ubuntu.
[17:04] <Screwba> daftykins: Ubuntu 12.04 fully updated with Samba and Winbind installed...pretty basic but not as well
[17:05] <daftykins> Screwba: insert some prints into your script and run it by hand to debug it i'd say
[17:05] <daftykins> Screwba: perhaps consider virtualising this setup and packet sniffing between too to see what's 'on the wire'
[17:05] <genii> Screwba: Maybe use full pathnames then in your scripts.
[17:07] <Screwba> daftykins/genii: I use exec to pipe all script processing to a log file and even run just my host and/or dig commands just to see the output, it appears that there is no output during the running of my script
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> hmamouchi_: ask in #crunchbang this is the channel your distribution is supported in
[17:08] <Screwba> daftykins:  this is all running on a virtualized platform...   =)    I am actually building a provisioning mechanism for Ubuntu/Debian/CentOS/Red Hat/Mint machines
[17:08] <jazzme> hello, question about xfce....when I'm away from the computer I come back and find the log in screen and all of the running apps are shutdown...it is as if I reboot....how can I turn this "feature" off?  Please.
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> jazzme: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[17:09] <jazzme> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> jazzme: ok, let me search
[17:09] <jazzme> thanks
[17:10] <jmgk_> laggg
[17:10] <jmgk_> goddang
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> jazzme: what is the output of:   ls /usr/bin | grep saver
[17:11] <jazzme> ActionParsnip: gnome-screensaver
[17:11] <jazzme> gnome-screensaver-command
[17:11] <jazzme> xdg-screensaver
[17:11] <jazzme> xscreensaver
[17:11] <jazzme> xscreensaver-command
[17:11] <jazzme> xscreensaver-demo
[17:11] <FloodBot1> jazzme: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> jazzme: cool, run:   xscreensaver-demo    and you can set up the screensaver to not lock screen etc
[17:15] <jazzme> ActionParsnip: thanks, but where is the option to not lock screen?
[17:15] <jazzme> ActionParsnip:  I see a check box for lock screen, it is already off.
[17:17] <ixio2> hey guys I need to create an SMTP server to sit out on the internet to act as a SMTP relay for several customers, thing like scanning machines, printers, monitoring devices. I will restrict it by source IP address rather than SMTP auth etc as some of the more rudimentary systems out there that need to send emails dont support TLS or SMTP auth. What's the simplest SMTP server to configure,
[17:17] <ixio2> perhaps even with a webui? I have an ubuntu server running in Azure I wish to use for this
[17:17] <bean> ixio2: does it just need to /send/ email or does it actually need to relay?
[17:17] <ixio2> bean: relay
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> jazzme: ask in #xubuntu too. Ive not used XFCE in a while now
[17:18] <bean> I'd probably use exim. I don't think theres any packages out there that include a webui by default, ixio2
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> ixio2: could use phpmyadmin
[17:18] <bean> ? for a web ui for mail?
[17:18] <ixio2> ActionParsnip isnt that for mysql ?
[17:19] <ixio2> by webui I mean something like webmin
[17:19] <xananax> Hey all. I was trying to install ubuntu, but only getting a black screen. I tried installing with "nomodeset", and it worked, and now it boots, but the resolution is very low, and it seems slow for effects (not using the graphical card). What should I do?
[17:19] <ses1984> just installed ubuntu 13.10 and when i boot i get a black screen with a mouse cursor, after lots of weird flashing and distorted stuff
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> ixio2: we use it for exim4, we have a fat handed manager so we give him a clicky GUI
[17:19] <xananax> I am currently installing bumblebee
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: what GPU(s) do you use?
[17:19] <ses1984> if i right-click, it looks like i can pull up a desktop context menu but the vga sync is way off
[17:19] <ses1984> amd radeon 3300 integrated
[17:20] <ses1984> im trying to troubleshoot but alt-sysreq-k and/or ctrl-alt-backspace dont seem to kill X like it used to?
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: get fully updated in TTY! (oress CTRL+ALT+F1 and log in there)
[17:20] <ixio2> ActionParsnip: I thought PHPmyadmin was a Mysql front end, are you saying it can configure Exim too?
[17:21] <ses1984> ok, upgrading packages now
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> ixio2: we use exim to talk to a mysql instance to work out where email needs to go next
[17:21] <ses1984> is there still a hotkey combo to kill/restart x?
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> ses1984  ctrl-alt-backspace, i guess
[17:21] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: colour me disappointed.  a TTY is any terminal either console or xorg.  Those are consoles/linux consoles/virtual terminals(VTs)
[17:22] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: ctrl-alt-backspace has been disabled by default (for a while now)
[17:22] <MonkeyDust> whattayaknow!
[17:22] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust, CTRL + ALT + PrintScreen + K
[17:23] <zykotick9> OerHeks: is teh ctrl required?
[17:23] <OerHeks> zykotick9, as i remember it, yes, i am too lazy to try now :-D
[17:24] <zykotick9> OerHeks: ya, i'm not gonna "test" it either, but i think it's just alt+sysrq+k
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: its a text only console, will allow updates to rol and may fix things
[17:25] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: i'm just asking that you don't use TTY incorrectly, they're consoles.  ;)
[17:25] <ses1984> i have had this problem with lots of systems using older integrated graphics, and i don't know what the root of the problem is:
[17:26] <ses1984> the problem is that video works fine off the live cd/installer, but after the system is installed, video is screwed
[17:26] <ixio2> so Exim keeps its config in MySQL? cos if thats the case then its easy to just write a PHP front end that manipulates the mysql database
[17:26] <Mace268> Can anyone suggest a good disaster recovery backup system that's reliable and fairly easy to use?
[17:26] <ses1984> like i just rebooted this system that i updated, and as soon as i enter 'sudo shutdown -r now' the video goes nuts and just shows a bunch of flashing distortion
[17:26] <MonkeyDust> Mace268  rsync is fast
[17:27] <moppy> Mace268, Ubuntu has a built in backup client. Just remember. If you dont test your restore, you don't have a backup
[17:27] <Mace268> i can't get the built-in to backup /var and /etc though
[17:28] <MonkeyDust> Mace268  you can use rsync for that
[17:28] <moppy> Mace268, There is bakula, and rsync. Bakula is automated and easy to configure
[17:28] <moppy> Mace268,  rsync works but you need to manually do some work to manage incremental backups
[17:28] <Mace268> does rsync get all file attributes as well?
[17:29] <P1ro> Hi, im trying to find a way to install ubuntu using a old ipod as hard drive, im reading that syslinux can help me but i cant get syslinux working.
[17:29] <moppy> Mace268, Yes rsync can do that
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> yes, rsync -a     <-- archive
[17:29] <moppy> Mace268, are you needing rotating daily backups, or something?
[17:30] <Mace268> no i just want to backup my system so it's quick to restore in case of a hd failure
[17:30] <moppy> Mace268, Is your data encrypted?
[17:30] <Mace268> no
[17:30] <moppy> Mace268, OK, rysync should be fine to just image your files every month or so.
[17:31] <moppy> Mace268, But why are you backing up /var? Webserver?
[17:31] <Mace268> plex media server
[17:32] <ses1984> ActionParsnip: i updated everything, still getting the same video problems
[17:32] <moppy> Mace268, good luck with it, just remember to test the restore.
[17:32] <Mace268> have you had any experience with FSArchiver? it seems to be in the repos too
[17:33] <moppy> Mace268, not me. I've done rsync and backula.
[17:33] <bean> another option is Amanda.
[17:33] <bean> for backups
[17:34] <tmus> join #gnome
[17:34] <Mace268> ok thanks for the info guys :)
[17:34]  * tmus slaps himself
[17:34] <FreezingCold> So I'm looking for a random project to practice learning QT with
[17:34] <FreezingCold> give me a command line program you'd like a GUI for
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> FreezingCold  moment
[17:35] <FreezingCold> moment?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: try the boot option:    radeon.nomodeset=1
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> i have a custom script in dropbox, let me search
[17:35] <moppy> FreezingCold, nethack
[17:36] <moppy> FreezingCold, actually i think rsync would be a good choice... make a gui backup program where you can click to select files
[17:36] <zykotick9> moppy: nethack already has a gui.
[17:36] <OerHeks> moppy, already done > grsync
[17:37] <moppy> OerHeks, they've ALL been done. Linux is probably older than most of us. He's just wanting something to practice on i guess?
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> sudo apt-get install xscreensaver
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> oops
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> FreezingCold  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4653463/systemupdate
[17:38] <FreezingCold> moppy: well, something useful would be nice
[17:38] <FreezingCold> MonkeyDust: Er, how would a GUI help with that
[17:39] <moppy> FreezingCold, some of the newer tools like the cloud deployment stuff might not have a gui yet
[17:39] <FreezingCold> moppy: yeah I'm trying to find something that i might use myself, but it's so damn hard lol
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> FreezingCold  don't know, it's your exercise :)
[17:39] <FreezingCold> damn you open source!
[17:40] <moppy> FreezingCold, wha are the last 10 commands you typed into terminal? If you're looking for something you've proven a lack of a gui for .. :-)
[17:41] <BarackObama_313> I hate when I lose my gui.
[17:41] <FreezingCold> moppy: [20131119:124051~]$ history | tail -10 | sprunge
[17:41] <FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/HZeF
[17:41] <fire_p> hello
[17:41] <ses1984> ok, the key to bring up the grub menu is shift right? or am i taking crazy pills
[17:41] <FreezingCold> excuse my poor taste in music
[17:42] <Midy> HELP
[17:42] <FreezingCold> Midy: not with that attitude
[17:42] <moppy> FreezingCold, so you did find twice with different setups? Seems maybe there is a place to start
[17:42] <FreezingCold> moppy: but literally every file manager has searching
[17:43] <Midy> Any one have any success installing ubuntu 3.04 on MacBook Pro 5.1?
[17:43] <FreezingCold> Midy: I would assume so
[17:43] <moppy> FreezingCold, and literally you dont use any of them as you still typed find... so clearly the existing GUIs arent working for you
[17:43] <moppy> Midy, 3.04? is there a '1' missing?
[17:43] <Midy> well can anyone help me?
[17:44] <FreezingCold> moppy: haha point taken. The thing is I don't really like most GUIs myself, so it's hard for me to tell what people actually like to use =/
[17:45] <disparaissant> hi there
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> Midy: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> Midy: if you used a CD, did you burn teh CD as slowly as possible?
[17:46] <tracker1> just curious, via ufw, does anyone have an example of a hot change from forwarding a port to one address to another?
[17:47] <tracker1> want to be able to do this without dropping existing connections
[17:47] <ses1984> ActionParsnip: i'm not sure if radeon.nomodeset=1 did anything, i'm still having the same problem, but now, i'm unable to access the grub boot menu. i've tried holding shift, or pressing shift as rapidly as possible, and nothing happens
[17:47] <P1ro> Hi, im trying to find a way to install ubuntu using a old ipod as hard drive, im reading that syslinux can help me but i cant get syslinux working.
[17:48] <ses1984> all of the docs about this seem horribly outdated, i'm looking at something on ubuntu wiki telling how to manually set your graphics driver and the first thing it says is to back up your xorg.conf, which my system doesn'
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: you set the boot option in Grub, Grub will always show as it is text
[17:48] <ses1984> t seem to even have
[17:48] <sidney2466> how do I format a usb drive?
[17:48] <sandman13> what exactly is gnome system tools
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> sidney2466: usegparted
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> sidney2466: use gparted
[17:49] <ses1984> ActionParsnip: i'm saying i set the boot option in grub, booted, and it didn't help. i tried to reboot and get to grub menu again and i cant
[17:50] <OerHeks> sandman13, a set of tools to admin your system, like Users and groups, Date and time, Network configuration, Runlevels and more
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> ses1984: hold SHIFT as soon as the system powers on
[17:51] <sandman13> OerHeks: does it replace unity if installed
[17:51] <OerHeks> sandman13, no, it has nothing to do with unity
[17:52] <disparaissant> im trying to install 12.04 alternative on a 12" powerbook (powerpc) from 2003. i've run into a HUGE problem with the nvidia graphics card on it. apparently, nouveau has trouble because something about the powerpc architecture doesn't support kernel mode setting. from everything i've found, i need to use the ancient nv drivers in order to get any form of 2d acceleration at all.
[17:52] <sidney2466> how do I format a usb drive using Gparted?
[17:52] <sandman13> OerHeks: was reading this, http://askubuntu.com/questions/25596/set-up-usb-for-virtualbox
[17:52] <disparaissant> i've tried to compile my own nv drivers to no avail (the source just isn't available anymore) and i found a .deb of drivers compiled on the same model i've got... but it throws up error messages when i try to dpkg -i it.
[17:53] <OerHeks> sandman13, if you want " Users and Groups " you need gnome system tools, yes.
[17:54] <disparaissant> xserver-xorg-video-nv depends on xorg-video-abi-6.0; however:
[17:54] <disparaissant> package xorg-video-abi-6.0 is not installed
[17:54] <disparaissant> xserver-xorg-core (2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.14) breaks xserver-xorg-video-6 and is installed.
[17:54] <disparaissant> xserver-xorg-video-nv (1:2.1.17-3) provides xserver-xorg-video-6.
[17:54] <FloodBot1> disparaissant: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:54] <disparaissant> sorry mr floodbot1
[17:54] <sandman13> OerHeks is there a way around it
[17:54] <sidney2466> how do I format a usb flash drive using GParted?
[17:55] <OerHeks> sandman13, depends on what you want to do?
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> sidney2466  up right, seklect the usb stick, delete partition
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> select*
[17:56] <sandman13> well i ran into same problem as in the above article OerHeks
[17:56] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys, my one of the HDD not mounted Please guide me how to mount it,
[17:57] <dhanasekaran> [ 1105.228469] EXT3-fs (sda): error: unable to read superblock
[17:57] <dhanasekaran> [ 1105.238967] EXT4-fs (sda): unable to read superblock
[17:57] <sidney2466> I can't delete
[17:57] <sidney2466> it has a little key on its side does it mean something?
[17:57] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466, Right click it and unmount if needed.
[17:59] <ki4ro> Anyone know how to get rhythmbox to recognize my mp3 player in ubuntu 13.10
[17:59] <dhanasekaran> > file /dev/sd
[17:59] <dhanasekaran> sda   sdb   sdb1  sdb2  sdb5
[18:02] <sidney2466> it has also another partition called "unallocated" below
[18:02] <sidney2466> should I leave it there?
[18:02] <jubale> I thought I'd come mention an interesting observation I made a month or two ago. I've a DELL 'inspiron 15' with Ubuntu 13, since installing built-in mouse is most often bouncy whenever finger is even grazing it. However, with portable mouse connected, 99.99999999999999~% of time, it works just fine.
[18:05] <disparaissant> can anyone help a sister out? i gotta solve these crazy dependency issues otherwise i am stuck in single user purgatory 4evaaaa
[18:06] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466, unallocated means no partition.
[18:06] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466,  Or a broken one not readable.
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466, If you need definite answers screenshot gparted showing it imagebin it and use nicks here
[18:08] <sandman13> OerHeks, still confused does gnome-desktop-tools replace unity and install gnome
[18:09] <OerHeks> !nounity| sandman13, no, i think you want ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:10] <sandman13> OerHeks, no i don't want to install gnome right now
[18:11] <ki4ro> Anyone know how to get rhythmbox to recognize my mp3 player in ubuntu 13.10
[18:18] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, Does the mp3 player show at all, and is it say an player made by like apple?
[18:18] <Anuska> hi
[18:19] <Romance> adding a command /usr/bin/udisk --mount /dev/sda3 to startup application didnt mount the partition, why?
[18:19] <Anuska> i install ubuntu in virtualbox and i select ssh, but i connot connect on 10.0.2.15
[18:19] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Yes, it shows up on the left, no, it is not made by apple
[18:19] <wilee-nilee> Romance, you want it added to fstab with a different set of information.
[18:20] <Romance> wilee-nilee: i know about the fstab way, but why /usr/bin/udisk didnt work
[18:20] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, been looking for solutions for about an hour or more so thought I would come here
[18:20] <ranjan> Hi all, any squid experts here?
[18:21] <bazhang> ranjan, try #squid
[18:22] <bgardner> Anuska: Did you make sure your network device connection type is Bridged Adapter?
[18:22] <ranjan> bazhang, i am already there
[18:22] <sergiobenrocha2> Hello, I'm having a problem with ubuntu apport... It is not sending bugs to launchpad anymore... normally it open firefox at launchpad, but just 2 week it does not do it
[18:22] <ranjan> bazhang, no response from #squid, so expected someone from #ubuntu so that i can pm without disturbing the channel :)
[18:23] <cantu4> Anyone play TF2? My game is crashing upon entering options
[18:23] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, I don't see a way to link mine with rhythmbox a player to player is a bit unusual maybe, its usually a file to a player.
[18:24] <OerHeks> ki4ro, did you enable the mtp plugin in rhythmbox ?
[18:24] <Anuska> thanks bgardner
[18:24] <femian>  Hola como están. Consulta, tengo una brother dcp-j140w y no puedo hacer funcionar el scanner en ubuntu 10.04, alguien sabe como resolverlo? Gracias
[18:25] <ObrienDave> !es | femian
[18:25] <xangua> femian: 10.04 desktop is no longer supported
[18:27] <femian> en el canal de español nadie sabe como solucionarlo
[18:28] <ki4ro> OerHeks, Don´t know what that is
[18:28] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, I linked the rhythmbox open to the mp3's music file on board it that works, I did do as OerHeks suggests beforehand and turned on the mtp, not sure if that made a difference I had not tried this path before.
[18:29] <ki4ro> wilee-nilee, Is that an option in rhythmbox?
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> ki4ro, edit-preferences-music-browse
[18:30] <OerHeks> ki4ro, it is an menu in rhythmbox preferences
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> the plugins are in edit as well ki4ro
[18:31] <digitlman> anybody using picuntu on a Rk3066 device?
[18:31] <ObrienDave> ki4ro, did you install MTP support as well?
[18:31] <Danato> femian: aqui solo hablam ingles, yo hablo un poquito de portunol, pero no es mucho, intenta usar el google tradutor
[18:31] <OerHeks> ki4ro, you might need to restart rhythmbox after enabling mtp plugin
[18:32] <disparaissant> okay so i'm trying to use gdebi to install nv and it gives me the error "this package is uninstallable. dependency is not satisfiable: xorg-video-abi-6.0" any clue anyone?
[18:32] <ki4ro> OerHeks, Do not see any reference to mtp
[18:32] <femian> Hello how are. See, I have a brother dcp-J140W and I can not run the scanner in ubuntu 10.04, anyone know how to solve it? thanks
[18:32] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, says your missing a package right?
[18:32] <disparaissant> yeah i can't find that package ~anywhere~
[18:32] <disparaissant> i could just be stupid tho
[18:33] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, I generally look for a deb on the web to start with.
[18:33] <sergiobenrocha2> femian: 10.04 is no longer supported... in desktop
[18:33] <MrHacks> Just wehen I was about to log out of this shell that I left open overnight, ki4ro says the magic word and the duck comes out
[18:33] <disparaissant> wilee-nilee: it's part of xserver-xorg-core, but clearly part of a much older version since 12.04 doesn't have it...
[18:34] <digitlman> trying to install RTL8188CUS drivers into picuntu ....the installer complains about module sissing
[18:34] <digitlman> missing
[18:34]  * MrHacks has only a hour to hang out here.
[18:34] <digitlman> whats the best way to install wifidrivers on a system that has no network conenctions? lol
[18:34] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, Yeah looked a bit like a challenge being xorg-care, hehe
[18:35] <zzecool> Hello there , can i build a .deb that will have multiarch support using checkinstall ?
[18:35] <ki4ro> OerHeks, Found the mtp already turned on
[18:35] <ki4ro> checked
[18:35] <zzecool> i cant find  any way it seems i can only build for my native arch
[18:36] <zykotick9> zzecool: sidenote/warning, checkinstall created DEBs aren't intended to be redistributed...
[18:37] <zzecool> i know it is for me
[18:37] <zykotick9> ok
[18:37] <disparaissant> well it's a new install so let's see how bad i can screw it up by uninstalling xorg-core and reinstalling an older version! should be fun.
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, I see it in debian as a download, I am not familiar with nv though, using straight debian is not generally advised, and you have addressed the age already.
[18:37] <MrHacks> Speaking of Wifi, I've noticed they past couple of times that when I boot up Ubuntu posts a system error prompt. Something about /sbin/wpa_suplicant. dmesg says something about a SIGSEGV error.  Hopefully this isn't a serious problem considering I use WiFi
[18:37] <zzecool> but i want to have multiarch support because the re is a conflict with ia32libs
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, hehe you go tear it up. ;)
[18:38] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, http://pkgs.org/download/xorg-video-abi-6.0
[18:39] <disparaissant> wilee-nilee: thanks! i'll try that if this frankenstein hack job im doing now doesn't work
[18:39] <disparaissant> wilee-nilee: actually that won't work, i'm on a powerpc :S
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, I'm not sure that is exactly a download.
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, People do, do forced installs, however a apt set up missing a package will be problematic with every command run in it.
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> or could be anyway
[18:42] <disparaissant> yeah trying to install that older version of xorg-core jsut blew up in my face haha
[18:46] <Anuska> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6444233/
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> Anuska, This 10.04 a server?
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> Anuska  rpm... sure you're asking in the right channel?
[18:47] <compdoc> Anuska, does libc.so.6 exist on the drive?
[18:47] <Anuska> ubuntu-12.04.3-server-i386
[18:47] <Kajunfiend> .
[18:47] <vermahim> hi, i am using ubuntu 13.10, i am looking for a software(preferably small in terms of code) which is written(or majority of code) in C/C++, please help me out
[18:47] <wilee-nilee> disparaissant, That is always fun. ;)
[18:47] <pabelanger> What is up with http://packages.ubuntu.org/ ?
[18:48] <Kajunfiend> a
[18:48] <Anuska> i install libc6
[18:48] <reisio> vermahim: wha?
[18:48] <Pici> pabelanger: good question... /me enquires
[18:48] <pabelanger> fail
[18:48] <Pici> Anuska: Why are you installing an RPM package on Ubuntu?
[18:48] <pabelanger> ubuntu.org was the wrong domain
[18:48] <wilee-nilee> Kajunfiend, You gots an issue?
[18:48] <Pici> pabelanger: yeah, I just saw that.
[18:48] <Anuska> i try to test
[18:49] <Anuska> some commands to learn rpm -commands
[18:49] <Pici> Anuska: Ubuntu does not use RPM, it uses dpkg and .debs
[18:49] <pabelanger> Pici, thanks for the quick reply
[18:49] <vermahim> reisio: what?
[18:49] <reisio> vermahim: I asked first
[18:49] <Pici> Anuska: things will either not work with installing RPMs, or you will break your install.
[18:50] <vermahim> reisio: any software on ubuntu which is written in c/c++
[18:50] <Anuska> pf
[18:50] <reisio> vermahim: yes, tons of it
[18:50] <Anuska> and how i will learn rpm commands if i have ubuntu installed?
[18:50] <Anuska> i delete ubuntu and install other distribution how use rpm?
[18:50] <reisio> Anuska: or use a VM
[18:51] <vermahim> reisio: preferably, small in terms of code..so that i can understand and improve my skills
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> or chroot?
[18:51] <reisio> vermahim: mmm, okay
[18:51] <reisio> vermahim: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/coreutils/
[18:51] <reisio> vermahim: ask #C for more
[18:51] <Anuska> all rpm
[18:51] <Anuska> looking for libc.so.6
[18:52] <Anuska> i try to install pico rpm but faild
[18:52] <vermahim> reisio: ok..
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> Anuska  what is your end goal?
[18:52] <Anuska> ?
[18:52] <yash069> Anuska: what u want to do ?
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> Anuska  why are rpm's so important to you?
[18:53] <k1l_> Anuska: you know that rpm stands for redhat package manager. this is the fedora/redhat system. ubuntu uses .deb which is comming from debian.
[18:53] <yash069> pico is old name for nano text editor
[18:53] <P1ro> Hi, im trying to find a way to install ubuntu using a old ipod as hard drive, im reading that syslinux can help me but i cant get syslinux working.
[18:53] <Anuska> yes but i try to install rpm
[18:53] <k1l_> Anuska: you should look out for .deb packages if you want to use them with ubuntu
[18:53] <Anuska> to learn rpm -ivh , rpm -V , etc
[18:53] <yash069> k1l_: RPM Package Manager !!
[18:53] <k1l_> Anuska: yes, but this is wrong.
[18:53] <Anuska> oki
[18:53] <Anuska> thanks
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> Anuska  why? maybe there's a solution that's not alien to ubuntu
[18:54] <Anuska> i will install mandriva to learn rpm
[18:54] <k1l_> Anuska: ubuntu works with another packages system. its .deb based and not .rpm based like on that other distributions
[18:54] <Anuska> i know
[18:54] <Anuska> but if i have a rpm i build a .deb pkg in ubuntu
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> Anuska  are you a troll?
[18:55] <k1l_> Anuska: best is to get a .deb package in the first way
[18:55] <Anuska> uff
[18:55] <Anuska> MonkeyDust stai away!
[18:55] <Anuska> stay*
[18:55] <reisio> P1ro: to GNU/Linux, a drive is a drive
[18:56] <k1l_> Anuska: you could use alien to transform a rpm package. but there is no guarantee that this will work out as expected. i would stronly suggest that you take a .deb package in the first place
[18:56] <Anuska> thanks, yap
[18:57] <P1ro> reisio even with the usb mode on the ipod is not booting it, thats why im tryign to find help
[18:59] <reisio> P1ro: well, you can get a >16GB usb stick at local stores in the USA for $20
[19:00] <dgarstang3> Is there any way to make an upstart job start after all other jobs?
[19:00] <yash069> reisio: nice one :)
[19:00] <karab44> hello guys
[19:00] <P1ro> reisio, i know that, but im not in US, also thats a ipod with broken sound, thats why i wanna get some use to it.
[19:00] <yash069> really why in this world someone will make ipod bootable
[19:00] <P1ro> yash069 lol? lick more
[19:01] <yash069> P1ro good reason though
[19:01] <jmgk> lolz
[19:01] <k1l_> P1ro: i am not quite sure if the firmware on the ipod alows that at all
[19:01] <karab44> I have a question... how can I easily place, scale, move and remove different images on background of all ubuntu desktops?
[19:01] <P1ro> k1l_ well im reading about syslinux but still cant get i working
[19:02] <reisio> P1ro: you can probably crack it open and have an ordinary hard disk
[19:02] <ikonia> P1ro: http://limneoswizard.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/make-iphone-bootable-usb-disk-boot-your.html
[19:02] <karab44> by meaning of desktops I mean all virtual desktops on my system
[19:03] <reisio> karab44: you'd have to figure out what's controlling those, historically in GNOME it was nautilus
[19:03] <reisio> karab44: that'd still be my first guess with Unity
[19:03] <reisio> karab44: as for the manipulation, use imagemagick's convert/mogrify commands
[19:03] <ikonia> different wall paper per desktop is not supported
[19:04] <ikonia> I think there was a gnome hack for it but it never got commited (I think)
[19:04] <karab44> ikonia
[19:04] <BluesKaj> kde supportd different wallpapers per desktop
[19:04] <karab44> I have something completely diffrent on my mind
[19:04] <karab44> let me show you
[19:05] <BluesKaj> supports
[19:05] <airtonix> karab44: i'd like to show you something too.
[19:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: that's been around for a while in kde as I recall
[19:05] <airtonix> karab44: http://www.etftrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/key_enter_1-opt.jpg
[19:05] <karab44> airtonix: ?? :D
[19:05] <BluesKaj> ikonia. yeah , i'm surprised ubuntu/unity/gnome doesn't
[19:05] <karab44> it's enter key
[19:05] <ikonia> airtonix: just explain clearly rather than silly cryptic messages
[19:06] <airtonix> karab44: personally i love the enter key, but my true love lies with the comma key.
[19:06] <ikonia> karab44: he'd like you to stop usin "enter" as punctuation in your chat in this channel.
[19:06] <yash069> karab44: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75998/is-it-possible-to-have-a-different-background-for-each-workspace
[19:07] <karab44> I don't want to have different wallpapers for each desktop I told you. I think more like about active desktop
[19:07] <ses1984> is there something like an ubuntu enterprise flavor that doesn't come with amazon integration, hard coded bookmarks to photo, music and video files in nautilus, etc?
[19:07] <yash069> live wallpaper ?
[19:07] <airtonix> karab44: you mean like having a web page as your background?
[19:08] <karab44> for example imagine that desktop is a desk where you want to place photos everywhere on it
[19:08] <anternat> is bash scripting C++? another language? what exactly is it?
[19:08] <ikonia> ses1984: the desktop is enterprise ready, it's up to you to build an image specific ot your enterprise
[19:08] <Apteryx> Hi everyone! Could anyone comment on the state of Moonlight? Is the project dead? What is the way to get the latest version running on Ubuntu 13.10?
[19:08] <ses1984> bash is a language
[19:08] <ses1984> ikonia: you have to recompile nautilus from source to remove the links to photo, music and video files
[19:08] <karab44> then you could easily move it and scale it and manage interactively through desktops.
[19:08] <ses1984> that's enterprise ready?
[19:08] <anternat> ty ses1984
[19:08] <airtonix> ses1984: brotip: install gnome-shell and gdm, dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, choose gdm. never deal with amazon integration again :)
[19:08] <ikonia> ses1984: no you don't,
[19:08] <ikonia> ses1984: you build a pressed image,
[19:08] <ses1984> that's what a ton of sources have told me
[19:09] <ikonia> ses1984: then I suggest getting a grip on things before coming in all "smart"
[19:09] <ikonia> ses1984: pretty much every desktop on linux will have bookmarks etc in place by default
[19:09] <ses1984> yeah but in old versions of nautilus you could just right click remove, now remove is disabled
[19:10] <ikonia> ses1984: remove what ?
[19:10] <yash069> karab44: one way is to have conky ... but it will be to much work to do ...
[19:10] <karab44> I just wanted to printscreen but it stopped woriking...
[19:10] <P1ro> ikonia thank you :D
[19:10] <ses1984> on the top left of nautilus, in the places section, there's a list of folders that are in home holder, like Desktop, Documents, Music, Photos, Video, etc
[19:10] <airtonix> ses1984: have you looked into xdg-desktop spec?
[19:10] <karab44> yash069: could I using conkey throw pictures on the desktop?
[19:10] <P1ro> ikonia ill try that,
[19:11] <ses1984> airtonix: no, checking that now
[19:11] <airtonix> karab44: yes, if you used a lua module.
[19:11] <yash069> not sure but i think so ...
[19:11] <karab44> well we have two different opinions. OK guys let me check that :)
[19:11] <airtonix> ses1984: from memory, there's a file in your home folder that specifies where they point to by default. not sure if removing or setting blank variables removes them
[19:12] <ikonia> airtonix: it's a shell varible isn't it, XDG_$SOMETHING
[19:12] <airtonix> karab44: just be warned, using a lua module means writing your own lua code.
[19:12] <Davidov> hi to all
[19:12] <karab44> airtonix: Good, that's not a big problem actually
[19:12] <Anuska> is easy install with  aptitude install zvh
[19:12] <airtonix> ikonia: yep, but i think it's loaded in from either .profile, .bashrc or a file that doesn't normally exist.
[19:13] <Davidov> there are some solution to extract large (20BG) rar files without kill the system ??? (Ubuntu 12.04 64bit)
[19:13] <ikonia> Davidov: it won't kill the system if you have resources needed available to it
[19:13] <airtonix> karab44: you'll find plenty of examples on using opengl and image drawing
[19:13] <yash069> karab44: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3728
[19:14] <genii> airtonix: I think ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:14] <yash069> not pretty much what u want but have a look
[19:14] <airtonix> ses1984: ^ what genii said.
[19:14] <Davidov> ikonia--> for resurces you intend swap space or space in the partition where I'm going do extract ?
[19:14] <ikonia> Davidov: everything, cpu, ram, swap, disk space
[19:14] <ses1984> airtonix: thanks
[19:15] <Davidov> ikonia--> mmmhhh ok I undestand :)
[19:15] <Davidov> r
[19:15] <yash069> Anuska: to install just use apt-get install <package-name>
[19:15] <karab44> ikonia: airtonix yash069 Thank you guys
[19:15] <ses1984> i guess i should go through my history and try to leave comments on all of these sources that claimed removing those items from the places sections required a change of source and recompile
[19:15] <ikonia> ses1984: no, as they are correct if you are asking the question you are asking
[19:16] <ikonia> ses1984: if you want this by "default" then it is a compile option, if want this dynamic/changed from default compile options it's a configuration
[19:17] <ses1984> the questions asked were usually like this "how can i remove video from the places menu" and the answer "change source and recompile" ... that smells wrong to me
[19:17] <andry> test
[19:17] <ikonia> ses1984: it depends how you look at it, it's not technically wrong, but it is wrong for the question you asked, but the way you asked it was not also correct
[19:17] <ses1984> even if you want it 'default' it seems like it would be much easier to keep using the nautilus packages in the repos
[19:18] <IEatTwix> I can't turn wlan off, I get a "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted".. Any idea what might cause it?
[19:19] <ses1984> sorry if i came in here with a less than friendly tone. i've had a bad morning. thanks for help everyone.
[19:19] <airtonix> ses1984: personally i feel it would be great if the gnome team approached all functionality of their apps as addon/plugin architecutre and just dogfooded  their own efforts. this would make releasing the kind of tools you want more practical.
[19:22] <Anuska> dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching libcroco3:i386
[19:23] <hershey> Is Ubuntu 13.10 supported on macbooks? I just installed 13.10 with full disk encryption, and grub fails to boot "error: unknown filesystem"
[19:23] <yash069> Anuska: what are u trying to install ?
[19:23] <auronandace> !mac | hershey
[19:24] <Anuska> sudo apt-get install alien
[19:26] <yash069> Anuska: do 'apt-get install libcroco3'
[19:26] <yash069> and then sudo apt-get install alien
[19:27] <Anuska> apt-get install libcroco3
[19:27] <Anuska> Unpacking libcroco3 (from .../libcroco3_0.6.5-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb) ...
[19:27] <Anuska> dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching libcroco3:i386
[19:27] <Anuska> not good
[19:28] <urielvigilant> I bought a joystick to play OnLive on Lubuntu. What steps i need to make it work ?
[19:28] <xangua> urielvigilant: plug it, done
[19:29] <karab44> guys this is what I want my desktop looks like. Actually all pictures are opened in some photoviewer. It would be cool to have them directly locked/unlocked on desktop. http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/19/Screenshot_from_2013-11-19_200501.png
[19:29] <urielvigilant> xangua, i will try that
[19:30] <karab44> So using some scripting in conkey I can achieve that ?
[19:30] <Anuska> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6444435/
[19:31] <Anuska> ubuntu is not good
[19:31] <Pici> Anuska: Is this the same system you were trying to install rpm packages on earlier?
[19:32] <Anuska> is ubuntu
[19:32] <Anuska> yes
[19:32] <Pici> Anuska: It wouldn't surprise me if doing that broke your install.
[19:32] <Anuska> why?
[19:33] <Pici> Anuska: Because rpms are not designed in mind with the way that Ubuntu organizes files.
[19:33] <genii> You should also probably use apt-get since aptitude is not graceful about packages mixed between 32 and 64 bit
[19:33] <Anuska> hey
[19:33] <Anuska> i try to install alien
[19:33] <reisio> suppah
[19:33] <Anuska> is a simple command
[19:34] <Anuska> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6444435/
[19:34] <Anuska> look
[19:35] <Sh1G3rU> cant you just use sudo apt-get install alien ??
[19:35] <Anuska> the same eror
[19:35] <io> I see warnings, not errors
[19:35] <Anuska> but not install
[19:36] <yash069> what is the software u trying to install using .RPM ?
[19:36] <Anuska> i reboot the sys
[19:36] <Anuska> and now work
[19:36] <Anuska> huh strange
[19:36] <yash069> :|
[19:36] <Anuska> :|
[19:36] <urielvigilant> xangua it dont work . it come with a rives cd for windows. where i can find drives or something for Lubunut ?
[19:37] <Anuska> i use alien to learn commands
[19:37] <Anuska> :P
[19:37] <urielvigilant> Please someone help me, make a joystick work to play Onlive on PlayOnLinux  in Lubuntu 13.10
[19:37] <xangua> urielvigilant: if it's not a weird joystick, it should be just plug and play; you may need to configure the keys for whatever you are tryingo to play
[19:37] <yash069> isn't alien used to make .deb packages out of rpms?
[19:38] <yash069> what commands ?
[19:38] <auronandace> !alien
[19:38] <urielvigilant> XAngua config where ? I found somthing about joypad and drives on internet ?
[19:38] <xangua> to play online on playonlinux huh... urielvigilant you never mentioned that
[19:38] <urielvigilant> xangua, yes ...
[19:38] <Sh1G3rU> Anuska,  try first to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade first
[19:38] <urielvigilant> play Onlive on PlayonLinux
[19:39] <Atluxity> I tried installing i3, then removed it, now when I do notify-send its not a cute buble as it used to, its a bland flat text field to the top left corner. How to debug this?
[19:39] <xangua> (13:28:32) urielvigilant: I bought a joystick to play OnLive on Lubuntu. What steps i need to make it work ? - don't see  it mention ther, otherwise you can try #winehq for wine related questions
[19:40] <Sh1G3rU> Anuska,  it worked just fine on my http://paste.ubuntu.com/6444483/
[19:40] <yash069> Anuska: u should have installed fedora or some other distro what use rpm as package manager, if wanted to play around with rpms only.
[19:40] <trism> Atluxity: looks like you replaced notify-osd with dunst
[19:40] <urielvigilant> xangua, you mean i should install the windows drives for this joystick ?
[19:41] <Anuska> Sh1G3rU, i restart linux and work
[19:41] <xangua> urielvigilant: where do you read i mean that¿
[19:41] <Anuska> yash069, yes >) but i like ubuntu
[19:41] <urielvigilant> xangua, you talk about wine
[19:41] <xangua> ...
[19:41] <Sh1G3rU> Anuska,  just do a update and upgrade and possibly a dis-upgrade apt-get
[19:41] <Sh1G3rU> it can fix alot of librari links etc
[19:41] <Atluxity> trism: aha, thanks. After I remove it, do I reload unity?
[19:41] <Anuska> thanks
[19:42] <trism> Atluxity: you could see if dunst is running, kill that, then notify-osd should autostart on the next notification
[19:42] <trism> Atluxity: but a log out/back in would do it too
[19:42] <pngl> I have a problem with Ubuntu (13.10) not switching to my secondary battery when the first one is down. The indicator correctly displays both battery and their charge status, but goes into sleep even though the 2nd battery is full. The computer is a Sony vaio pro 13.
[19:43] <yash069> Anuska, what about ubuntu, DE, name ..  ?
[19:44] <urielvigilant> Maybe its better to instal jstest to make koystick work doesn it ?
[19:44] <rmobenchain> I'm using ubuntu 13.10 and was wondering if i can undo some installs done recently.  thought they would help graphics and sound and it made it worse
[19:45] <xangua> urielvigilant: jtest is just a configuration tool, you know you are using wine right¿
[19:45] <Anuska> yash069 what?
[19:46] <yash069> DE=Desktop Enviroment?
[19:46] <urielvigilant> xangua, should i install the joystick windows drives inside te same drive has  OnLIVE
[19:46] <urielvigilant> ?
[19:46] <Anuska> yash069 : text mode
[19:46] <xangua> !appdb
[19:46] <xangua> urielvigilant: you should ask in #winehq anc check the wine database
[19:47] <Anuska> for testing & create app
[19:47] <rmobenchain> I'm using ubuntu 13.10 and was wondering if i can undo some installs done recently.  thought they would help graphics and sound and it made it worse
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, These installs within 13.10 and do you remember what they were?
[19:49] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles:no, I cannot.  is there a way to see a list of recent installs?
[19:49] <yash069> rmobenchain: yes, look in software manager
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Where did you run them from, apt-get has a history if you type it and hit enter.
[19:50] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles:  used the terminal
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, yes, type history and hit enter, some commands show some do n ot is all.
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> installs should show though
[19:51] <rmobenchain> ok... got the history.  stupid question now.  how do i remove?
[19:52] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, That history is stored in ~/.bash_history thats in home and hidden
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Depends on what it is, I'm not real up on graphic issues, nor so I mess with sound, you might make a list of what your commands are and pastebin it to give a helper info
[19:53] <wilee-nilee> s/so/do
[19:55] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Then use this with your description here of the details of the problems your having, include the graphic hardware info as well.
[19:56] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles:  quite honestly, it all started when i installed a vlc player.  can i just remove that and see what happens?
[19:57] <ludwiq> yo
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, sure, you can run purge to get it all or just remove, I'm surprised vlc is a problem though.
[19:58] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles:  I have my history up in the terminal, you want me to cut and paste line by line what i have?
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, you would want to use a pastebin if more than one line, and link these installs with the problems basically, organized is the key word. Do you need the apt-get for removing vlc?
[19:59] <rmobenchain> wilee niles: please.  that would be great :)
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, sudo apt-get purge vlc  that should remove all of it and the config if you used remove rather than purge the config would remian.
[20:00] <rmobenchain> (really wishes I remebered how to highlight a person's name when talking to them)
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> !tab | rmobenchain
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[20:01] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem: sometimes i hear the audio, but if i insert the minijack of headphone i cannot hear sound in the headphone. howto fix?
[20:01] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: oh yeah, that's right!
[20:01] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem: sometimes i hear the audio, but if i insert the minijack of headphone i cannot hear sound in the headphone. howto fix? sometimes this happen when i before boot windows then linux
[20:01] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Keep in mind my limitations though on graphic issues and some sound issues, I'm just trying to help you organize this situation. ;)
[20:03] <cable> se habla español?
[20:03] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: I appreciate it.  does that sudo apt purge work on something like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, That is all apt-get those are for calling the repos (update) installing (upgrade) remove and purge are what the phonetically sound like.
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> they*
[20:04] <cable> Hello, I'm only speak in spanish very cafe con leche
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> !es | cable
[20:05] <cable> thaks!
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> cable, ;)
[20:05] <rmobenchain> ! wilee-nilee:  what about this?  sudo apt-get install upgrade flashplugin-installer
[20:06] <rmobenchain> huh?  what?
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Not correct upgrade is used to install what update found, you would already have the latest flashplugin-installer, however some packages have newer versions per the release, flash is the same for all.
[20:08] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: hmmm... this is just agitating now.  youtube is all sorts of choppy and i know i must have done something
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Flash is easiest installed with installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras which includes other codecs and the ms fonts if you want them.
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Are you trying to use the highest like 1080 resolution perchance on youtube?
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> high definition in other words
[20:10] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: no.  am on 480p
[20:11] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, What is your chip IE cpu and the ram amount?
[20:12] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: uh, where would i find that?
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Not the clearest question, mainly I'm trying to see if the hardware is up for the high load of what your doing, and or in the end check if anything is using up resources that should not.
[20:13] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, What is the computer maker and model?
[20:14] <rmobenchain> HP Pavilion Slimline s3220n
[20:16] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, An okay computer about 5 years old 2 gig s ram and a dual core, Are you using any other resources when trying youtube, and is this 64 or 32 bit?
[20:17] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: am on a 32bit and only have facebook open in another tab
[20:17] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: am also using Chrome.
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Facebook is a very large code draw, try closing it the using youtube.
[20:17] <wilee-nilee> then*
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> the browsers are a bit high users of the ram as well
[20:18] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: ok, trying now
[20:19] <trism> rmobenchain: you aren't using the chrome dev channel, are you? they recently enabled the aura, and it was terribly slow for me until I enabled Override software rendering list in chrome://flags
[20:19] <Atluxity> any of you use gnome shell and got any tips you want to share with me? extentions or simular
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, You should install htop, and run htop from the terminal and it will tell you what is using what and how much such ans the cpu=chip and memory=ram. A conky would help to see this right on the desktop.
[20:19] <rmobenchain> !trism: not sure what you are talking about.  kinda of a newbie to ubuntu
[20:20] <Pici> rmobenchain: please don't start your messages with !, it confuses our channel bot.
[20:20] <trism> rmobenchain: I was just wondering which version of chrome you were running, they have stable, beta and dev channels, but if you don't know you probably aren't running dev so you can ignore my comment
[20:21] <rmobenchain> trism: I'm not sure what you're talking about
[20:21] <rmobenchain> trism: Am using Chrome Version 31.0.1650.57
[20:22] <trism> rmobenchain: yeah that's not the version of the dev channel, it is chrome 33
[20:22] <trism> rmobenchain: so not the issue I mentioned, sorry
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Chrome also has its own built in flash, just a heads up.
[20:22] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: how would I install the htop?
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, sudo apt-get instal htop
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> sudo apt-get install htop  sorry
[20:23] <Possible> Hi everyone
[20:24] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: when I look at chrome, I have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.4 (1.4-3ubuntu2)) - Version: 1.4, Adobe Flash Player (2 files) - Version: 11.9.900.152,
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, yep
[20:24] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: that looks good to you?
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, for anyone interested the graphic card is nVidia GeForce 6150SE
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> I'm an intel user never messed with nvidia
[20:25] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: graphics card is GeForce 6150SE nForce 430/integrated/SSE2/3DNOW!
[20:26] <BluesKaj> rmobenchain. nvidia-current driver?
[20:26] <Possible> I was wondering if anyone can help me with my problem. A few days ago, I installed a PPTP VPN server. Everything is working fine accept one thing: When I want to connect with my iPad the VPN is connected, but there is no data connection. When I am using my desktop, everything works fine. Does anyone know what the problem can be?
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Yeah you mentioned graphic problems, it seems though that this all revolves around the youtube issue, thanks for confirming that for any other users that may have needed info.
[20:27] <[Gentoo]> Possible: the ipad
[20:27] <dougl> Hello BluesKaj don't let me bug you just wanted to say Hi.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> hi dougl , how goes it ?
[20:28] <Possible> @[Gentoo] I also tried to test it with my Nexus 4 Android device, same issue.
[20:28] <nita> sall
[20:28] <rmobenchain> BluesKaj: I believe my nvidia is current.  ran sudo apt-install nvidia-current after 13.10 upgrade
[20:29] <dougl> BluesKaj, I am doing awesome... got my new notebook completely branded running kubuntu 13.04 and 13.10, hope you are doing well to.
[20:30] <dougl> there is not one splash screen anywhere that does not say asus republic of gamers.
[20:30] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: you think it could just be youtube and not me then?
[20:31] <Guest67404> trying to write a file to a RW CD.  Using a stock Dell Dimension 8200, moving to a Lenovo IdeaPad 400 Touch.  When I try to write a file to the CD, it says :not enough space."  It's a blank CD and the file is only 24KB.  Any ideas???   Toivo
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, I doubt it, it would most likely be the computer is being driven hard and trying to keep up, htop will tell you, if this is correct.
[20:32] <BluesKaj> dougl. cool sounds like you've got it under control there
[20:33] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Upgrades can have problems however, one never knows it is a bit of a knock out the variables really.
[20:33] <dougl> BluesKaj, yep
[20:34] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: well, i'm installing the htop now
[20:34] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Try lower resolution numbers just for testing.
[20:34] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: I did that, and didn't help any
[20:34] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: ok, htop installed.  how do i run it and see the info?
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, tyoe htop in the terminal.
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> type
[20:35] <Guest67404> I apologize group.  Didn't see the topic.  Will try another route.  Toivo
[20:36] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: ok... wow.  not really sure what I'm looking at here.  lol
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Your mainly looking for the overall cpu and memory usage, and what any individual app is using.
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, Hehe welcome to the matrix. ;)
[20:37] <Paso89> ciao
[20:37] <Paso89> !list
[20:38]  * wilee-nilee wonders about the cultural schema that has all the file sharing hits being Italians it seems.
[20:39] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles:  149 tasks, 319 thr, 4 running
[20:39] <ObrienDave> wow Italian warez channel week?
[20:39] <stunts513> anyone have an idea how to setup ubuntu to reload my wifi modules whenever it doesnt detect internet without having to promt me for root privis?
[20:39] <wilee-nilee> stunts513, Its not root its the user password.
[20:40] <stunts513> well yea but it needs elevated privis
[20:40] <bekks> stunts513: Yes.
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> stunts513, Are you sure?
[20:40] <stunts513> well yes to run rmmod and modprobe you need to elevate your privis
[20:41] <wilee-nilee> stunts513, Cool, well more details would probably help, IE the wifi hardware, and how you set it up.
[20:42] <stunts513> to put it plainly the b43 driver seems to be messing up randomly and the o nly way for it to connect or detect any wifi is to reload the b43 module
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> to the channel
[20:43] <rmobenchain> wilee-nilee: how do i know if too much memory or anything is being eaten up?
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> mmmmm frenacho
[20:44] <frenacho> wilee-nilee: You *know* whose nick I'm parodying. :P
[20:44] <genii> Mmm Free nachos!
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, There are lines right at the top, and you can look at the columns
[20:45] <frenacho> genii: Shut up you :P lol
[20:45] <wilee-nilee> frenacho, mayor ford, ;)
[20:45] <bekks> omnomnom :>
[20:46] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: silly question.  is there a way i could just reinstall 13.10 and just start from scratch w/o using a CD?
[20:46] <rmobenchain> wilee-niles: or USB or anything like that
[20:46] <skypce>  exist a way to remove completely mysql databases users paswords? my ubuntu 12.04 was hacked and i cant change the password
[20:47] <frenacho> wilee-nilee: Hah
[20:47] <bekks> skypce: Reinstall the entire server. You dont know what exactly have been compromised.
[20:47] <wilee-nilee> rmobenchain, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[20:48] <skypce> bekks i try with lamp-server install from tasksel
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> afk
[20:48] <bekks> skypce: That will not safe you from installed backdoors, etc.
[20:48] <skypce> bekks i try with it cant change the password
[20:48] <bekks> skypce: Reinstall the entire server.
[20:48] <skypce> no way i was tried
[20:48] <skypce> do you know where is stored databases and users?
[20:48] <skypce> some file
[20:49] <skypce> folder
[20:49] <skypce> i was remove all mysql from etc
[20:49] <skypce> when i try to install again ,it doesnt change password
[20:49] <bekks> skypce: In the mysql database "mysql". And you can find a procedure to recover a lost mysql root user password on www.mysql.com
[20:50] <bekks> skypce: So as you can see: someone else has still access to your mysql and resets your password. Reinstall the server.
[20:50] <tc0nn_> On CentOS, if you build a box manually (non-automated) you get to keep a copy of the kickstart file. Does Ubuntu keep a copy of the recipe used so you can automate it later? Trying to get my custom partman config working...
[20:50] <skypce> somebody block my root user
[20:50] <bekks> skypce: The attacker.
[20:50] <skypce> when i watch in phpmyadmin by user table
[20:50] <skypce> root user doesnt appear
[20:51] <skypce> and i cant create root user
[20:51] <bekks> skypce: Then it was deleted.
[20:51] <skypce> i cant create it again beeks
[20:51] <skypce> i was trying to configure with
[20:51] <bekks> skypce: I know. Reinstall the entire server. No other chance.
[20:51] <bekks> skypce: You dont have to tell me the same thing five times.
[20:51] <skypce> i was formatted 2 times
[20:51] <skypce> and again and again
[20:52] <skypce> my machine is hacked
[20:52] <bekks> skypce: Then reinstall it from a cd. Not just the mysql server. The entire machine.
[20:52] <skypce> only way to run lamp is with xampp
[20:52] <TK-1942> Trying to download files to a RE-CD on a Dell Dimension 8200 running ubuntu/Firefox.  Have a new Lenovo IdeaPad touchscreen that has been stripped of Windows 8 and running Ubuntu 12.  When I try to use CD/DVD Creator to download files, it tells me there's not enough space on the CD.  It's a new, empty TDK 700MD CD. I'm assuming CD/DVD Creator is using Brasero.  What am I doing wrong or what additional application do I need?
[20:53] <skypce> bekks formatting is not the solution
[20:53] <bekks> skypce: It is the only solution.
[20:53] <skypce> bekks i was formatted two times
[20:53] <bekks> skypce: A compromised box has to be reinstalled from scratch.
[20:53] <skypce> by this problem
[20:53] <bekks> skypce: And you got hacked two times. So think about your security measurements.
[20:54] <skypce> thank you bekks
[20:54] <skypce> i will try to find the problem
[20:54] <bekks> skypce: LAck of security is the problem.
[20:54] <wilee-nilee> tc0nn_, Might be a question best asked if not answered here at #ubuntu-server
[20:55] <jhutchins_wk> TK-1942: What size is the image you're trying to write?
[20:55] <tc0nn_> I haven't seen any suggestions, let alone answers. So apologies for the cross-post.
[20:56] <TK-1942> 24KB
[20:56] <jhutchins_wk> tc0nn_: No, for a non-automated build it doesn't create a preseed file, but /msg dpkg apt-clone for a way to do that.
[20:56] <TK-1942> It's an Open Systems "Excel" file
[20:57] <jhutchins_wk> tc0nn_: sorry, /msg ubottu - might not be on this bot.
[20:57] <bgardner> TK-1942: Run CD/DVD creator from a command line and see if you get any output in the terminal that helps you.
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> TK-1942, Try downloading it and using brasero.
[20:57] <TK-1942> Okay, thanks.  I'll check it out.  Much appreciated.
[20:59] <tc0nn_> jhutchins_wk: thanks. I'll look it up. ubottu was clueless
[21:15] <wolfy1339> does anyone have any fix for the marvell avastar 350n (88W8797) for ubuntu 13.10?
[21:15] <smooke_> wolfy1339, all fine??
[21:16] <wolfy1339> smooke_: what do you mean by all fine?
[21:17] <smooke_> wolfy1339, nothing
[21:17] <OerHeks> wolfy1339, nope https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1165938
[21:19] <wolfy1339> what's really intreging is that wifi works fine on a live usb(try ubuntu) but works for some days and stops working in ubuntu (installed)
[21:20] <OerHeks> wolfy1339, oh great .. does the live mode set it to 54 mbit ? maybe trottle-down could help?
[21:20] <wolfy1339> OerHeks:i don't know
[21:22] <morris> ciao
[21:24] <krambiorix> hi, i have this problem  http://pastebin.com/B1ZSwmWz
[21:25] <Sh1G3rU> is that dutch?? upgrade your system
[21:26] <krambiorix> Sh1G3rU, yesit's dutch and i already did an apt-get upgrade
[21:26] <Sh1G3rU> dist-upgrade you have library incompatibilities this fixes them
[21:27] <k1l_> krambiorix: you got PPAs active?
[21:27] <Sh1G3rU> and try to disable PPAs
[21:27] <Sh1G3rU> temporary
[21:27] <k1l_> that packages dont look like ubuntu packages at all
[21:28] <quinten>  /msg NickServ identify quint1998
[21:28] <krambiorix> there are no PPAs
[21:28] <OerHeks> squeeze - debian
[21:28] <k1l_> 2.7.8.dfsg-2+squeeze8
[21:28] <Aaron> quinten, change ur password dude
[21:28] <topper4125> ooh... someone's gonna need to change that password
[21:28] <wolfy1339> quinten:you just displayed your password
[21:28] <k1l_> that is no ubuntu package. krambiorix which ubuntu is that exact?
[21:28] <7CBAAC300> Hi! is it possible to make a macro to paste pre-defined text in Ubuntu?
[21:28] <Sh1G3rU> i got a password
[21:28] <Sh1G3rU> :P
[21:29] <Sh1G3rU> krambiorix, can you paste somewhere uname -a
[21:29] <reisio> 7CBAAC300: yup
[21:29] <krambiorix> ow hell i'm in ubuntu
[21:29] <7CBAAC300> reisio: How? I would really have a need for an alias like that
[21:29] <krambiorix> i should be in debian
[21:30] <reisio> 7CBAAC300: doing what, exactly?
[21:30] <Sh1G3rU> same repositories a guess
[21:30] <7CBAAC300> reisio: Pasting a "proxy address" of my school to read articles. Really frustrated to write that over and over again
[21:31] <reisio> 7CBAAC300: into a terminal, or?
[21:32] <7CBAAC300> reisio: Into address bar. Even better if it would paste it always to http://www.address.com#THIS_SPOT#/a/b/c/article.pdf
[21:32] <7CBAAC300> reisio: But even a script, which pastes it to the text field where the cursor blinks is a lifesaver.
[21:34] <Sh1G3rU> hi krambiorix have you fixed that??
[21:35] <morris> ciao si parla in italiano
[21:35] <k1l_> Sh1G3rU: i think the #debian boys will help him if its not solved :)
[21:35] <krambiorix> Sh1G3rU, nope :D
[21:35] <k1l_> !it | morris
[21:35] <Sh1G3rU> i know k1l_
[21:36] <morris> grazie
[21:36] <Sh1G3rU> morris,  no questo e un chananale dedicato alla lingua inglese
[21:37] <Sh1G3rU> omg my firefox just crashed
[21:37] <jhutchins_wk> tc0nn_: There may be a script or something that will create a preseed script from a template box.  It would make sense.
[21:37] <jhutchins_wk> Sh1G3rU: Like it never does that.
[21:38] <tc0nn_> That would be nice..
[21:38] <wolfy1339> how do i find how much ubuntu is throtling my wifif?
[21:39] <tc0nn_> You could run a speedtest from the Ubuntu box, then run the same speedtest from another box.
[21:40] <Sh1G3rU> jhutchins_wk,  actually it is the first time it crashes on me on xubuntu 13.10
[21:40] <wolfy1339> tc0nn_:no.. only my computer is running ubuntu
[21:42] <zeropointnine> hi, I have a question about dependencies in apt-get. I've installed emacs from source, and would like to install a package that depends on emacs, but I'd rather not also install emacs23 or emacs-snapshot via apt-get. How can I make apt-get recognize the installed-via-source emacs?
[21:43] <morris> scusate si parla in italiano
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> wolfy1339, Ubuntu would not be actually throttling, that word implies intent.
[21:45] <zykotick9> zeropointnine: i put dpgk's equivs factoid on http://paste.ubuntu.com/6445007/ see if ubuntu has the same?
[21:45] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine,  you can use the apt-get --no-upgrade install package
[21:45] <Ben64> !it | morris
[21:46] <Sh1G3rU> morris,  devi andara al #ubuntu-it
[21:47] <schultza> what's the best and most secure install of truecrypt i can get for ubuntu?
[21:47] <bekks> schultza: the official one.
[21:47] <bekks> !truecrypt | schultza
[21:47] <schultza> is that the package tcplay ?
[21:47] <Sh1G3rU> the official packas in the repositories is the safest
[21:48] <bekks> !info tcplay
[21:48] <bekks> !info truecrypt
[21:48] <bekks> schultza: Refer to this article please: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrueCrypt
[21:49] <7CBAAC300> reisio: So do you have any tips?
[21:49] <zykotick9> bekks: also no gnu/linux distros includes truecrypt (it's kinda scary license wise).  schultza i'd strongly encourage you to check out alternatives!
[21:50] <bekks> zykotick9: yeah, indeed it is.
[21:50] <schultza> what is the good alternative to truecrypt?
[21:50] <zykotick9> bekks: s/also/almost/
[21:50] <zykotick9> schultza: check out dm-crypt
[21:51] <root> hi
[21:51] <zykotick9> schultza: research cryptsetup as well, i believe (i think they're related somehow?)
[21:51] <Rory> P0/msg ubottu ubottu
[21:51] <Guest29449> i updated my ubuntu, and now the X doesn't run and the home don't decrypt :(((
[21:51] <Guest29449> is there a massive problem since last update?
[21:52] <k1l_> !rootirc > Guest29449
[21:52] <Guest29449> now i prefer to solve the problem
[21:52] <zeropointnine> Sh1G3rU, is there a way to do the opposite, too? Situation: emacs23 and emacs-snapshot we're uninstalling, so I did a botched manual job and am getting errors when installing/uninstalling anything (including your command), so I'd like for apt-get to pretend they don't exist.
[21:52] <Guest29449> any clue?
[21:53] <Rory> Guest29449: You can set a nickname for chat by typing "/nick SomeName" in this window
[21:53] <k1l_> Guest29449: any error messages? out of the blue there is no problem known
[21:53] <ring3> ok
[21:53] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine, can you paste the errorrs on the pastebin??
[21:53] <Rory> ring3: When you first boot into the Grub menu, can you select an older kernel from the list and try booting from that?
[21:53] <Sh1G3rU> !paste
[21:53] <ring3> Rory: older kernels also fail
[21:54] <ring3> is not a kernel problem
[21:54] <Sh1G3rU> !rootirc > Sh1G3rU
[21:54] <ring3> i modified the init=/bin/sh on the grub and boot with last kernel
[21:54] <ring3> but x doesnt work and home doesnt decrypt
[21:54] <Rory> ring3: You say x doesn't work; how does that show? Do you get an error message?
[21:55] <ring3> the screen is black
[21:55] <ring3> and cant go to shells
[21:55] <ring3> and cant go to terms
[21:55] <ring3> ttys
[21:55] <ring3> doesnt work
[21:55] <FloodBot1> ring3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:55] <ring3> only magic sysrq
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> cough backtrack
[21:55] <Rory> ring3: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[21:56] <ring3> how can i view the version?
[21:56] <Rory> ring3: Boot to recovery mode from Grub
[21:56] <ring3> 3.11.0-13-generic 20-Ubuntu 64bits
[21:56] <Rory> ring3: Then run the command: cat /etc/issue
[21:56] <ring3> ubuntu 13.10
[21:57] <zeropointnine> Sh1G3ru http://paste.ubuntu.com/6445057/
[21:57] <ring3> with a all-in-one pc tactile screen 27''
[21:57] <ring3> radeon driver
[21:57] <zeropointnine> I'd rather not file an emacs bug report if I don't have to, especially because it's probably my own doing.
[21:58] <Rory> ring3: By "radeon driver" do you mean the open-source or the AMD one?
[21:58] <ring3> dont know
[21:58] <ring3> xorg log  (EE) failed to initialize GLX  (compatible nvidia x driver not found)
[21:58] <Ben64> ring3: why did you init=/bin/sh
[21:58] <ring3> becouse can go to tty's
[21:59] <ring3> all the system is blocked
[21:59] <Ben64> just start normally and hit ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[21:59] <ring3> ecryptfs-mount-private --> Inserted auth tok ... -> open: no such file or directory
[21:59] <k1l_> ring3: nvidia? didnt you say you nee a radeon driver?
[21:59] <ring3> password ok but doesn't decrypt
[22:00] <zeropointnine> Sh1G3rU, I'll be gone for about an hour.
[22:00] <ring3> k1l_: (II) RADEON(0) [XvMC] Associated with Radeon textured video
[22:00] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine,  you can try to see what packages have installed with dpkg --get-selections
[22:01] <Rory> ring3: What is the output of "lspci | grep VGA"
[22:01] <Sh1G3rU> and try to remove the emacs with dpkg --deinstall emac23 and the other thing
[22:01] <ring3> Advanced micro device, inc [AMD/ATI] headthrow pro [Radeon HD 785M/8850M]
[22:01] <ring3> (VGA Compatible controller)
[22:02] <k1l_> ring3: how come that message? <ring3> xorg log  (EE) failed to initialize GLX  (compatible nvidia x driver not found)
[22:02] <ring3> why ecrypt-mount-private fails?
[22:02] <ring3> k1l_: dont know :)
[22:02] <Rory> ring3: Can you now run "sudo apt-get purge fglrx fglrx-updates"
[22:02] <k1l_> ring3: so what did you do before that system doesnt boot up anymore?
[22:03] <ring3> k1l_: aptitude update
[22:03] <ring3> Rory:  fglrx is not installed
[22:03] <Rory> ring3: That on its own doesn't update any of the packages on your system, it only downloads a list of new package versions
[22:04] <schultza> so, other than the Licensing, is cryptsetup, dm-crypt, et al better than truecrypt?
[22:04] <ring3> sorry Rory aptitude upgrade
[22:04] <Rory> ring3: In recovery mode, can you run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[22:04] <ring3> ok Rory
[22:04] <Sh1G3rU> !cn
[22:05] <7CBAAC300> Does anyone know how to make a macro to paste a pre-defined string into a textfield (at the cursor) ?
[22:06] <ring3> schultza: luks
[22:06] <schultza> but is it better than tc (in other terms than licensing)?
[22:06] <gordonjcp> schultza: they're all equally likely to lose all your data, if that's what you mean
[22:07] <gordonjcp> schultza: they'll all slow your machine down to about 10% normal, too
[22:07] <zykotick9> schultza: other reading of possible interest to you re:TC http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/
[22:07] <schultza> im not worrying about slowing down the system. I'm worried about protecting a few files from the wrong eyes.
[22:08] <schultza> oh.. so it's not like gnupg, not publicly reviewed, ok. thanks.
[22:08] <ring3> Rory: the upgrade -> 0 packages upgraded
[22:09] <zykotick9> schultza: if it is just a couple of files, then gpg might be a good solution
[22:09] <schultza> well, it's a few files in comparison to an operating system. :)
[22:09] <mahmoud_> knfs
[22:09] <mahmoud_> hallo
[22:09] <schultza> mostly personal identifiable information, financial, business, etc.
[22:09] <mahmoud_> yes
[22:10] <Rory> !nomodeset | ring3 Can you try this
[22:10] <schultza> !de
[22:10] <ring3> ubottu: i'm not sure, but i think i have setted the nomodeset
[22:11] <Rory> ring3: I mean, can you please follow the instructions in that link on how to try setting the "nomodeset" kernel parameter
[22:11] <ring3> oks thnx
[22:13] <ring3> cya thnx 4 all
[22:19] <gimmic> hmm
[22:19] <gimmic> anyone know what the system settings application is called?
[22:19] <gimmic> my ubuntu is slightly hosed
[22:20] <gimmic> gonna try 'systemsettings'
[22:20] <trism> gimmic: gnome-control-center
[22:21] <gimmic> trying to fix a package this morning.. uninstalled a bunch of core components
[22:21] <gimmic> well, not core.. but pretty core- nautilus was gone, gnome-control-center is apparently gone
[22:21] <jubale> Anyone know the real reason for Linux Mint? I mean it appears to merely be a rebranded Ubuntu.
[22:21] <gimmic> I'm not very familiar with apt.. is there a way I can reinstall what ubuntu considers 'core'?
[22:22] <gimmic> like yum groupinstall
[22:22] <k1l_> jubale: that is more a topic for the offtopic channel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:22] <trism> gimmic: you could try installing the ubuntu-desktop package
[22:22] <Guest05418> hi people how to know if my laptop "hp dv6 6090ee" is fully supported by ubuntu ?
[22:22] <gimmic> trism: is that going to thrash any lightdm customization I did?
[22:23] <trism> gimmic: probably not, but nothing you couldn't fix
[22:23] <DX099> hello
[22:23] <ArTeS> hi
[22:23] <gimmic> the package that fubared me was desktop-file-utils
[22:24] <smoores> How do I ensure that all files created and edited in a directory have read/write group permissions for a specific group? I want all users assigned to the developers group to be able to read/write /var/www files
[22:24] <DX099> Unity had the ability to directly open & play a song withing rythmbox library when selecting said song from the Music lens, but now, it only opens rhythmbox and does nothing else. I'm on Ubuntu 13.04. Does anyone have an idea about how to enable describle behaviour ?
[22:25] <geirha> smoores: setgid does two out of three
[22:25] <gimmic> smoores: setguid?
[22:26] <gimmic> I always want to call it sticky
[22:26] <geirha> smoores: chgrp thegroup /the/dir; chmod g+s /the/dir  # from now on, all files created in /the/dir have thegroup as group-owner.
[22:27] <geirha> smoores: As for the read+write permissions, that can be solved by telling the developers to use 007 or 002 as umask; otherwise, you can enforce it by enabling acl on the filesystem, and setting the wanted default permission bits with setfacl
[22:28] <Guest05418> hi people how to know if my laptop "hp dv6 6090ee" is fully supported by ubuntu ?
[22:28] <urielvigilant> How to remove a icone from Lubuntu 13.10 menu ? " ...iḿ newby on Linux! "    ; I installed a game called : " ..CriticallMass .."  using the "Lubuntu Software Center " , then i removed trought out the same way "...Lubuntu software Center..." , Why the Icone satyed on Lubuntu Menu for this game ? How to remove it ?
[22:29] <urielvigilant> *Where you read "...satyed" , you must read "..STAYED.." ;
[22:29] <smoores> thanks geirha
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> Guest05418, If a live cd runs it should be, In general I would be surprised if it does not, some installs are easier than others as far as a fully working setup however.
[22:30] <pedepy> uh i just upgraded to saucy and my kb is not working .. what am i supposed to do now?
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> Guest05418, maybe look through here. http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/HP/
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> pedepy, kb?
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> keyboard?
[22:31] <pedepy> keyboard
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> pedepy, Is it a plugin?
[22:31] <geirha> smoores: Oh and new directories created in /the/dir will also inherit the setgid bit
[22:31] <ArTeS> :D
[22:31] <pedepy> i had similar issue with the latest archlinux install cd
[22:32] <pedepy> so i installed 13.04 no problems even after full system update
[22:32] <pedepy> but now i ran the update to 13.10 and not working
[22:33] <pedepy> wilie no laptop
[22:33] <jhutchins_wk> pedepy: No input at all?  Can you boot to rescue mode?  Do you get a keyboard in the console?
[22:33] <pedepy> connects via ps2 inteeface internally afaik
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> pedepy, Try a live cd of 13.10 maybe, it being a problem on another OS is kinda a red flag of some sort.
[22:33] <pedepy> im not familiar with ubuntu how u boot into that
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> !who | pedepy
[22:34] <pedepy> livecd 13.10 did the same thats why i installed 13.04
[22:34] <NewUser> Guys ubuntu doesnt recognize my video card when I try to install it
[22:35] <pedepy> im using webchat on my iphone bare with me its not easy lol
[22:35] <pedepy> how do u boot into console / rescue?
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> pedepy, As far as the OS 13.04 and 13.10 are only sperated by a few newer versions of apps, maybe 13.04 or ever 12.04 which has 5 years support might be more realistic at least if this can't be fixed.
[22:36] <Rory> pedepy: From the Grub boot menu, select Recovery Mode
[22:36] <NewUser> pedepy:  wow mine is 5:10
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> NewUser, ubuntu 5.10?
[22:37] <Rory> NewUser: Can you run the command: cat /etc/issue
[22:37] <NewUser> They gave it to me to try it out
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> !who | NewUser
[22:39] <NewUser> Rory: I cant run anything, my video card is not on its short list of vodeo cards supported
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> NewUser, what doe lsb_release -a show
[22:40] <wilee-nilee> does*
[22:40] <NewUser> ok ubottu
[22:41] <NewUser> wilee-nilee: I cant run commands on it
[22:41] <jhutchins_wk> 5.10 would be current RHEL/Centos/SL.
[22:41] <pedepy> ok sorry i had to get out it was getting a little much for my iphone safari
[22:41] <NewUser> Ill try again
[22:42] <pedepy> so i rebooted and got to the grub menu .... but instead of rescue mode i decided to try kernel 3.8 instead of what seems to be the default 3.11 and now its working
[22:42] <pedepy> so .. kernel bug or module bug or something .. i presume
[22:42] <jhutchins_wk> NewUser: For a standard ubuntu install the list of usable video cards is pretty extensive.
[22:42] <pedepy> u guys never heard about that before ?
[22:43] <jhutchins_wk> NewUser: Here's a list: http://www.x.org/wiki/Projects/Drivers/
[22:43] <Rory> pedepy: That was the first thing I asked you to try, and you told me that you tried it and it still didn't work
[22:44] <pedepy> rory like i said i was trying to chat using my iphone ... i said i went into the 13.10 livecd with the same problem
[22:44] <Rory> Oh sorry pedepy I thought you were someone else
[22:44] <pedepy> ok
[22:45] <wilee-nilee> NewUser, Is this Centos?
[22:45] <dgarstang3> Anyone here on a mac managed to put their chef fu stack onto a virtual box vm, and have it fire off vagrant? Does that work ok? I dont want to pollute my mac
[22:45] <dgarstang3> oops wrong room
[22:45] <Rory> NewUser: Can you run the command: cat /etc/issue
[22:45] <NewUser> jhutchins_wk: it says: select the desired X server desired. And theres a list of 28
[22:45] <pedepy> im not too familiar with the new grub configuration file if i want that option to be the default can i just change set default "0" to set default "2" ?
[22:46] <NewUser> wilee-nilee: it says ubuntu 5.10 amd6
[22:47] <jhutchins_wk> pedepy: You can edit /etc/default/grub and  change the DEFAULT=0 to whichever entry you want to boot instead, then run update-grub.
[22:47] <wilee-nilee> NewUser, Way beyond end of life get a 12.04 cd or above to 13.10
[22:47] <ring3> hi
[22:47] <ring3> I mounted the crypted partition :))
[22:47] <pedepy> update-grub not grub2 ?
[22:48] <ring3> the problem was that my /var/run have dissapeared  o_O
[22:48] <ring3> and /dev/shm doesn't exist
[22:48] <NewUser> wilee-nilee: is it very different?
[22:48] <wilee-nilee> !eol | NewUser
[22:48] <ring3> can you do a ls -l /var/run ?
[22:49] <pedepy> so does 13.10 come with the two kernels or is 3.8 a leftover from my 13.04 installation ?
[22:49] <k1l_> NewUser: there is no way you want a ubuntu 5.10 running. please install a supported ubuntu version
[22:49] <jhutchins_wk> pedepy: That would be breezy badger from 2005 if it's really 5.10.
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> NewUser, way different and not supported, you don;t even have access to the repos as is.
[22:49] <pedepy> jhutchins_wk: thats not me
[22:49] <ring3> k1l_: my /var/run dissapeared :/
[22:50] <k1l_> ring3: i am not familiar with encryption.
[22:50] <ring3> k1l_: is not a crypt problem
[22:50]  * wilee-nilee slips jhutchins_wk some coffee for the caffeine
[22:50] <Strumpa> Anyone have any guides for making ubuntu 13,10 faster on my girlfriends laptop?
[22:51] <Ari-Yang> Strumpa: perhaps using a different DE/"flavor"
[22:51] <wilee-nilee> Strumpa, generally faster means more up to date hardware.
[22:51] <Ari-Yang> Strumpa: like lxde
[22:51] <Ari-Yang> that could help
[22:51] <sidney2466> How do I create a windows 8 .iso bootable usb flash drive in ubuntu 12.04? I have already tried winUSB and MultiSystem butdidn't work.
[22:51] <Strumpa> Ari-Yang: would that mean installing another OS?
[22:52] <Ari-Yang> !lxde | Strumpa
[22:52] <Strumpa> Ari-Yang: so no then? =D
[22:53] <Ari-Yang> ...no
[22:53] <Strumpa> yes, no
[22:53] <sidney2466> How do I create a windows 8 .iso bootable usb flash drive in ubuntu 12.04? I have already tried winUSB and MultiSystem butdidn't work.
[22:53] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466, look at the winusb here, there are other easy ways if this does not work. http://askubuntu.com/questions/116885/can-i-use-ubuntu-to-write-a-windows-7-iso-to-usb-in-ubuntu
[22:54] <Sh1G3rU> sidney2466, you have to format a USB in ntfs use gparted or something else then you have to make the usb bootable with unetbootin
[22:54] <wilee-nilee> wilee-nilee, Ah I see you tried it already, a ntfs partition with a boot flag and extracted with the archive manager works a right click on the iso
[22:56] <wilee-nilee> sidney2466, I would md5sum the iso winusb has worked everytime here.
[22:57] <sander> How do I get java in my browser?
[22:57] <Sh1G3rU> install extras
[22:57] <Sh1G3rU> from software center
[22:58] <sander> Sh1G3rU, what exact package name?
[22:59] <Sh1G3rU> sander ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:59] <sander> Sh1G3rU, I already have that installed.
[22:59] <zeropointnine> Sh1G3rU, I'm back, did you see the error message about uninstalling emacs?
[23:00] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine, yes
[23:00] <Sh1G3rU> scroll up zeropointnine
[23:01] <Sh1G3rU> sander, you have to add the java PPA
[23:01] <Sh1G3rU> the oracle PPA
[23:03] <Sh1G3rU> sander_ sander you have to add the oracle PPA sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/javam && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
[23:03] <reisio> 7CBAAC300: you figure it out?
[23:03] <sander> Sh1G3rU, thanks :-) Yeah. What google also said about they're ppa :-D
[23:04] <Sh1G3rU> sander,  you are the best googler :P :P
[23:04] <Marion> Hello all!  This is a desperate pled for help.  I'm having an issue with Ubuntu VM on virtual box crapping out on apt-get update.  I'm experienced software, but new into web development and LAMP configuration.
[23:04] <Marion> ^^plea
[23:05] <zeropointnine> Sh1G3rU: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6445320/
[23:05] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine,  try installing it from the begining
[23:05] <OttOmanTR> is here anyone good at linux?
[23:06] <Sh1G3rU> zeropointnine, fresh install
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, This a Ubuntu OS?
[23:07] <OttOmanTR> Why can't I backup disk partitions under linux? everytime I restore partition, I get grub error
[23:07] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: any distro
[23:07] <Hertz> I hate Ubuntu 13.10 so much. Mint 16 needs to hurry up so I can hop over.
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, This is Ubuntu support only, however there is ##linux and channels for other distros.
[23:08] <OttOmanTR> this is really frustrating,  I never had such problem under windows
[23:08] <OttOmanTR> I have the same problem for ubuntu too but ojk I'll ask tehre
[23:08] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, use clonezilla
[23:08] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  bu aksham , you have to update grup where to find all the partitions because it does not update even if a hdd/partition is cloned
[23:09] <Sh1G3rU> diferend hash tables and keys
[23:09] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: I used that too also redo backup
[23:09] <OttOmanTR> Sh1G3rU: Why don't backup programs do that?
[23:10] <Sh1G3rU> i used norton ghost 11 and it worked fine for me , the one you get on hierens boot cd 9.9
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, clonezilla saves the mbr as is if hyou have removed the OS that had the mbr control it will error, easy fix though.
[23:10] <AnonSyn> hello
[23:11] <AnonSyn> anyone playing with bitcoin?
[23:11] <AnonSyn> wanna start?
[23:11] <AnonSyn> join #cex
[23:11] <AnonSyn> :D
[23:11] <FloodBot1> AnonSyn: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:11] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  or you havent cloned it properly
[23:11] <OttOmanTR> Sh1G3rU: I have Linux Mint and Windows XP isntalled on my disk. Sometimes I want to try other distros but then the nightmare begins
[23:11] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR, just update grup from the installation disk on the repair menu
[23:11] <Sh1G3rU> and it will work fine
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, read my last post do you know what I mean by mbr control?
[23:12] <Sh1G3rU> repair console*
[23:12] <7CBAAC300> Does anyone know how to make a macro to paste a pre-defined string into a textfield (at the cursor) ?
[23:12] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: I just cloned a disk using clonezille, no it doesn't restore grub
[23:13] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  grub has his own partition called boot
[23:13] <trism> 7CBAAC300: you could use xdotool: xdotool type 'This is the text I want to type';
[23:13] <OttOmanTR> Sh1G3rU: Wait a second, everytime we restore partition, grub guids changes too?
[23:14] <bunduru> would love that this guide would work :s https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html
[23:14] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  grub has to rehash the MBR (master boot table) and it aobviously has changed since last cloning
[23:15] <OttOmanTR> Sh1G3rU: Can you suggest me a small distro that has grub and boot-repair?
[23:15] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  if you dont know how to restore grub you have to use tools who does
[23:16] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  hierens boot cd has alot of tools who does automatic repair
[23:16] <Sh1G3rU> but any linux distro has a repair console for grub if you know how to use it
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, Clonezilla does not restore grub, it saves the mbr as it was when you clone.
[23:16] <bunduru> anybody knows about a good working guide to install/configure openvpn on ubuntu?
[23:17] <OttOmanTR> Sh1G3rU: the problem is exactly this. I tried boot-repair live cd. I try to repair boot but it says some packages are missing. Unbelievable
[23:17] <OttOmanTR> Tried redo backup, it doesn't have grub package
[23:17] <7CBAAC300> trism: Thanks, I'll try that
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, You have the bootinfo summary saved from bootrepair, honestly I think you erring in several places I can see it from your descriptions and understanding.
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> are*
[23:19] <Sh1G3rU> OttOmanTR,  that is because the windows partition/s takes over ,
[23:19] <abaddon> OttOmanTR: How is it broken exactly?
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> Sh1G3rU, hirens is not allowed here or even on the ##Windows channel, and your help is at best faulty.
[23:20] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: I don't understand the benefits of saving mbr to restoring grub which is my problem
[23:20] <OttOmanTR> my problem is grub, it doesn't restore after partition restore
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, I don;t think you understand is all.
[23:21] <OttOmanTR> I have to it manually
[23:21] <OttOmanTR> do*
[23:21] <abaddon> OttOmanTR: Have you tried using the safe mode to run sudo update-grub?
[23:22] <Sh1G3rU> wilee-nilee, ok i stoped
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, Anyway this is mint take it to their channel.
[23:23] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: agree, I don't know linux well. I'm just wondering that why there is no tool like acronis for windows. No matter what you do to harddisk, acronis restores every damn thing
[23:24] <OttOmanTR> under linux there are tons of backup tools but none of them auto-restoring grub
[23:24] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, You are used to a specific tool acronis which is a nice tool, however the linux tools are just as good you just have to understand their use.
[23:24] <bekks> OttOmanTR: Out there, there is no single application autorestoring your bootloader in case it detects it is broken.
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, auto restoring grub is meaningless, acronis does not save the mbr you have to reload it.
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, grub is in two places the OS and the boot loader is in the mbr.
[23:27] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: acronis for windows does my be only for windows installed harddisks that doesn't have grub installed.
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> windows is the same but a different boot system
[23:27] <bekks> OttOmanTR: Acronis for Windows does not reinstall the Windows bootloader.
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> right there is no linux acronis
[23:28] <OttOmanTR> bekks: I'm using it now and I restored a low level formatted harddisk
[23:29] <bekks> OttOmanTR: I havent seen a low level fornatted disk for about a two decades now.
[23:29] <OttOmanTR> even it restores harddisk serial number, I have no idea how
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> and that means what exactly OttOmanTR
[23:30] <OttOmanTR> bekks: I mean deleted everyting, partitions, everything
[23:30] <bekks> OttOmanTR: And restoring the disk content like filesystems is different from restoring a broken bootloader. The first is what Acronis does, the second cannot be done or even detected by Acronis.
[23:31] <OttOmanTR> bekks: Again, I'm not familiar with linux like you do, just suggest me a good backup/restore tool
[23:31] <bunduru> oh my bad missed the "From a terminal change to user root and:" part
[23:31] <OttOmanTR> live CD is better
[23:31] <bekks> And a serial number (hw) of a disk cannot be restored by Acronis, Acronis only restores the filesystem UUID.
[23:31] <bunduru> sorry
[23:31] <bekks> !backup | OttOmanTR
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, If you are not understanding what we tell you, address that, rather than argue points that mean nothing, we know this stuff.
[23:32] <wilee-nilee> we would like to see you succeed
[23:34] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: I have copy-protected commercial program. When you copy the program, the program stops. I copied that program's partition to a new harddisk. It worked but Windows warned me that there are two harddisk have the same serial number
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, All windows right?
[23:35] <OttOmanTR> yes
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, this is ubuntu support.
[23:36] <OttOmanTR> wilee-nilee: you don't have to be mean, I just answered to you answer
[23:36] <bekks> OttOmanTR: As I said, Acronis cant clone a hwardware serial number. And as wilee-nilee said, this is Ubuntu support.
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> OttOmanTR, That is way off topic, we have just been trying to help you understand the mbr and grub , the use of acronis and linux /backup/cloning.
[23:36] <abaddon> OttOmanTR: wilee-nilee is not being mean. This is Ubu support bro. Not windows support
[23:37] <pngl_> Can Ubuntu properly manage multiple batteries? On my laptop it shows them both, with the correct charge level, but sleeps as soon as the 1st one dies. I'm using 13.10 and a sony vaio pro 13 with an additional "sheet" battery.
[23:38] <bekks> pngl_: Ubuntu doesnt manage batteries at all. It is your charger which is responsible for doing so.
[23:38] <Boneheads1999> I need help
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> Boneheads1999, tell the chanel you problems.
[23:38] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: Sup?
[23:38] <Duel-Travis> Does utorrent work on Ubuntu?
[23:39] <pngl_> bekks: Not sure I understand. By charger you mean the power cord or some software?
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> !info utorrent
[23:39] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Ubu uses Transmission. But you can get Utorrent
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> !find utorrent
[23:39] <Boneheads1999> I'm trying to make an Ubuntu One account.  When I enter the verification code, it asks me to unlock the 'Default' keyring.  I have no idea what the password for that keyring is.
[23:39] <bekks> pngl_: The power supply and that bit of electronics responsible for detecting the battery and the charge level. Your battery has some electronics too, for the same reason.
[23:40] <Duel-Travis> well nvrm. Booting on windows
[23:40] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: Did you use your paswd?
[23:40] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, How can I get urottent?
[23:40] <Boneheads1999> abaddon yes I tried to but it said that was incorrect.
[23:40] <Sh1G3rU> Duel-Travis,  if you want a good client and utorrent like for ubuntu go for qbittorrent
[23:41] <abaddon> Google it, there is a version out there Duel-Travis
[23:41] <bekks> pngl_: And if the second battery is "dead", then there is no way to change that. It may even apply that your laptop is incapable of charging the second battery, while it is "alive" and just "empty".
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> Duel-Travis, technically not supported as a 3rd party, however. http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-utorrent-on-ubuntu-debian/
[23:41] <BrianH> Anyone do any IDS testing with pytbull?  I need some assistance in setting up a virt lab.
[23:41] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: Did you give root a diffrent passwd?
[23:41] <Duel-Travis> bittorrent client dl?
[23:41] <Sh1G3rU> Duel-Travis, it is in the repositories otherwise you have to go to the utorrent site and download their linux installer
[23:41] <Boneheads1999> abaddon not sure I understand
[23:42] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: I mean, did you set a seperate passwed for root and a different passwd for your user account?
[23:42] <Boneheads1999> abaddon oh.  Well I don't think I ever set a pswd for root..
[23:42] <pngl_> bekks: Sorry I wasn't accurate. Both batteries work well. Under Windows 8, everything is fine: when one battery goes empty, the other is used. Under Ubuntu, the information is accurately displayed, but when battery 1 is almost empty, Ubuntu tells me something like "Your battery is almost empty, going into sleep", and then does just that.
[23:43] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: Usually, to access root one uses ones user passwd. But if you set up root with a diff paswd you'ld use that
[23:43] <bekks> pngl_: Ah, so its just the power management of Ubuntu then.
[23:43] <pngl_> bekks: Yes. I'm open to any idea as to how to fix this.
[23:43] <Boneheads1999> abaddon yeah I just use my user passwd
[23:43] <Boneheads1999> abaddon for root
[23:43] <Duel-Travis> so
[23:43] <bekks> pngl_: I'm sorry, no.
[23:43] <Duel-Travis> would i get the 13.04? im on 13.10
[23:44] <abaddon> Boneheads1999: Hmmm...I'm outta ideas. you could type sudo passwd which will set a seperate passwd for root but I don't think/know if that'll work.
[23:44] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: You asking me?
[23:44] <iceroot> abaddon: Boneheads1999 please dont enable the root-account, its not needed and not supported, you can do everything with sudo command instead of switiching to the root-shell
[23:44] <Duel-Travis> yea?
[23:45] <fahadash> How do I update gcc compiler ?
[23:45] <Boneheads1999> iceroot ok
[23:45] <abaddon> iceroot: Boneheads1999 Which is why I said I didn't think it would work. Nor the best option
[23:46] <Sh1G3rU> Boneheads1999, just run this sudo su, then passwd
[23:46] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Ahh, OK, please in the future type my name or the users name. It helps us know who you are addressing your question to. As for the torrent client, why not try out a different cient?
[23:47] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Also, can you send me the link to check it out?
[23:47] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, i like utorrent?
[23:47] <bekks> Sh1G3rU: Dont run sudo su, since sudo passwd root is sufficient to set a root password and disqialify your from further support most likely.
[23:47] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/linux
[23:47] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: XD OK, let me look at it
[23:48] <Duel-Travis> ok
[23:48] <Boneheads1999> Sh1G3rU abaddon iceroot ok, I tried doing both those things.  It asked me to change the UNIX passwd so I changed it to what my user passwd is.  Then when it asked me for the keyring again, I typed the passwd that I set the UNIX passwd to.  It still says incorrect unlock key.
[23:48] <iceroot> Sh1G3rU: sudo su is always wring, because its calling a root-shell with a pseydo root-shell (sudo)
[23:48] <Sh1G3rU> bekks you are right , but it works too so donw disqualify me
[23:48] <bekks> Boneheads1999: BEcause setting a root password is not even supposed to unlock your users keyring.
[23:49] <iceroot> Sh1G3rU: it does not matter if it works for that case
[23:49] <bekks> Sh1G3rU: It doesnt work for the problem offered.
[23:49] <unicornjedi> ##networking
[23:49] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: What's your sys version?
[23:49] <iceroot> Sh1G3rU: there are other cases were sudo su will fail and we dont want something like that in this channel
[23:49] <Duel-Travis> Ubuntu 13.10
[23:49] <Boneheads1999> bekks ok so do you know how to unlock my keyring?
[23:49] <Duel-Travis> and KDE
[23:49] <Sh1G3rU> bye bye everyone cu !!
[23:49] <iceroot> Sh1G3rU: sudo su is like cat foo | grep bar. it shows a lack of skill
[23:49] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: 64 or 32 bit?
[23:49] <bekks> Boneheads1999: http://askubuntu.com/questions/184266/what-is-unlock-keyring-and-how-do-i-get-rid-of-it
[23:50] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: I'd go with the 32 bit version.
[23:51] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: But, just for funsies, you should check out qBittorrent. It's a great client
[23:53] <Duel-Travis> better tan utorrent?
[23:54] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: You should compare the two to see.
[23:54] <Duel-Travis> What was it called?
[23:54] <Boneheads1999> bekks ok I started following those instructions.  I installed seahorse via terminal, but then when I press alt + f2, it tries running "Passwords & Keys" and then says it couldn't find it.
[23:54] <Duel-Travis> qBitTorrent?
[23:54] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: What does uTorrent have that you like s much?
[23:55] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, Just familiar with it
[23:55] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Yes, qBittorrent
[23:55] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, gettting it now
[23:56] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Well, it's good to get outta nyour comfrt zone at times,lol. Does uTorrent have a built in search?
[23:56] <Duel-Travis> no?
[23:56] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: qBittorrent has built in torrent searches
[23:57] <Duel-Travis> Okay
[23:57] <Duel-Travis> L)
[23:57] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: You can even add sites as you find them to its list
[23:57] <Boneheads1999> anyone?
[23:57] <reisio> Boneheads1999: hi
[23:58] <Ben64> Boneheads1999: it says to run "seahorse"
[23:58] <Boneheads1999> Ben64 oh
[23:58] <Boneheads1999> Ben64 ok
[23:58] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: Anyway, the link you sent me seems fine. Just use the version number for your system, ie the 64 or 32 bit version. But consider trying qBittorrent too. I think you'll like it
[23:58] <Duel-Travis> abaddon, when i search i dont find anything?
[23:59] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: For qBittorrent?
[23:59] <Boneheads1999> holy crap I found it
[23:59] <abaddon> Duel-Travis: It can take a bit of mtime as it searches
[23:59] <Duel-Travis> abaddon,  yes