/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

athanor1723I'm trying to do a dist update, and it's really slow (everything is already downloaded), can I remount / with some option to speed it up?  Btrfs filesystem00:07
sarnoldathanor1723: can you mount with noatime? that might save some needless writes00:09
athanor1723Is it safe to remount it noatime while in use?00:12
sarnoldit should, yes00:14
athanor1723Looks like that may have speeded it up a bit ( 4sec per small package, instead of 5sec).  Still going to take about 8hr to finish. :(00:18
athanor1723I just tried doing nodatacow as well, but it just started hitting some gnome packages, so I can't tell (I was timing small packages with only a couple files)00:22
sarnoldyou shouldn't be able to time those :(00:24
=== thumper-afk is now known as thumper
=== Mapley is now known as Mapley|group
Mirvuh, and here again :)05:09
Mirvpitti: would you be available for some packaging acks while didrocks' machine is in autodestruction mode?08:56
pittiMirv: sure08:56
pittididrocks: eww, problems?08:57
didrockspitti: run any command08:57
didrockslike even ls08:57
didrocksI just installed, and then removed the emulator…08:57
Mirvpitti: mir: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Mir/job/cu2d-mir-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_mir_0.1.1+14.04.20131120-0ubuntu1.diff08:57
Mirvpitti: unity-system-compositor: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Mir/job/cu2d-mir-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-system-compositor_0.0.2+14.04.20131120-0ubuntu1.diff08:57
pittididrocks: did that replace your libc6 with the arm package?08:57
Mirvpitti: platform-api: http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Platform/job/cu2d-platform-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_platform-api_0.19+14.04.20131119.1-0ubuntu1.diff08:58
didrockspitti: I guess it's what happened08:58
pitti"Stop depending on libboost-all-dev, it is verboten." - *chuckle*08:58
didrockspitti: I think I'm good for booting on a usb stick08:58
Mirvdidrocks: sounds fun! live usb boot and ar x a x86 deb?08:58
didrocksyeah08:58
didrocksor chroot + clean install of libc608:58
didrocksif that's the cause08:58
pittisudo dpkg -i --root=/mnt08:58
didrockspitti: well, I have no sudo either right now :p08:59
pittididrocks: on a live system, I mean08:59
seb128good morning desktopers08:59
pittimount your root in /mnt08:59
didrocksoh right, better than a chroot08:59
pittibonjour seb12808:59
seb128pitti, hey, wie gehts?08:59
didrockspitti: sorry, I'm just in panic mode right now :p08:59
didrockshey seb12808:59
pittiseb128: tu as cassé l'énumerateur de didrocks !08:59
seb128didrocks, salut, je te demande pas, je note de pas essayer l'emulateur08:59
seb128pitti, je nie!08:59
seb128c'est pas moi !09:00
seb128;-)09:00
didrocksseb128: ou tu peux! viens, c'est fun :)09:00
pittiseb128: it was a gnome update !!09:00
seb128haha09:00
seb128iz gtk bog09:00
seb128;-)09:00
pitti*G*libc09:00
seb128who needs a libc09:00
pittiseb128: those were the day..09:00
seb128yeah...09:00
FudusWhat is the status of 14.04 staying on 3.8 or 3.10 anyhow? Or  is that still to be decided.09:01
seb128Fudus, you can read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-November/004343.html for details09:02
pittiMirv: unity-system-compositor: new version removes /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-unity-system-compositor.conf, that needs a corresponding .maintscripts to clean it up on upgrade09:02
Laneyhey09:03
Laneyseb128: ogra_: sorry for missing that one09:03
pittiMirv: I assume the new qt dependencies are justified09:03
seb128Laney, hey ... context?09:03
seb128Laney, oh, the session, no worry09:03
pittiMirv: mir ack09:04
Mirvpitti: ok. it got moved to ubuntu-desktop-mir. the Qt dependencies come from the DBus interface addition which then uses Qt.09:05
pittiMirv: ok; so except for the missing .maintscripts it looks good to me09:06
Mirvpitti: ok, I'll look at that still then. thanks.09:06
sil2100seb128: hello! Do you have any free cycles right now? ;)09:24
seb128sil2100, hey, sort of, busy doing morning catchup and looking a vUDS schedule for the day, I can probably sneak a bit of review or answering questions though09:25
sil2100seb128: I would like to get someone to sponsor a new version of a package - you already source and binary NEWed the previous one yesterday, I want to release the new one with some packaging fixes that got piled-up09:27
sil2100seb128: lp:zmqpp/ubuntu09:27
sil2100seb128: just if you have a free moment ;) I can provide a debdiff if better09:27
sil2100seb128: maybe in this case a debdiff would be indeed more useful, so preparing09:28
Laneyif they're not urgent you can use the sponsor queue09:28
seb128sil2100, I can do sponsoring sure09:30
sil2100seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6447244/ <- debdiff in case it seems better09:30
sil2100THank you!09:30
sil2100Laney: true, but I guess the unity scopes guys would be happy to get this today ;)09:31
Laneyshrug09:35
seb128sil2100, is the missing depends what bothers them?09:35
seb128sil2100, I can sponsor it09:35
Laneyok, looking at eds/goa09:35
seb128Laney, \o/ I can join you/help with uploads in a bit09:36
Laneycool09:36
Laneygot to remember if there was some ordering required09:36
ogra_Laney, no problem ... we can do it on the go i guess ... (we need mpt first anyway i guess, i doubt there is a "developer mode" switch in his designs yet)09:40
Laneyindeed09:41
sil2100seb128: yes ;) Thanks! It's just pure packaging things09:44
Laneyogra_: File a bug report against u-s-s & describe what needs to be exposed in UI & how to do that in code, then assign mpt to get a design09:45
ogra_ok09:48
seb128sil2100, sponsored09:58
sil2100seb128: \o/10:21
Laneyg-o-a will block on webkitgtk/arm6410:24
Laneywe probably shouldn't do that transition just now10:24
Mirvpitti: is this anywhere near what you were wishing? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/unity-system-compositor/clean_conffile/+merge/19593410:32
pittiMirv: uh, no -- you just want a debian/unity-system-compositor.maintscripts with a rm_conffile10:33
pittiMirv: that'll create the necessary preinst, postrm, etc. scripts10:33
pittiMirv: man dpkg-maintscript-helper10:33
pittiMirv: sorry, I thought saying ".maintscripts" would have been enough, as it has been around for quite a while10:33
pittiMirv: actually, you want mv_conffile as it moved to a different package10:33
Mirvpitti: thank you, no harm done refreshing memories of the packaging scripts :) I'll look at that next.10:34
pittiMirv: people might have modified it, then that saves a dpkg conffile prompt10:34
seb128didrocks, did you manage to sort it out?10:44
didrocksseb128: yeah! ;)10:45
didrocksjust now10:45
didrocksphew!10:46
seb128didrocks, good that you got it resolved at least ;-)10:46
didrocksindeed ;) well, my system isn't clean, but it's a start10:46
Laneyin good time for UDS :P10:46
didrocksheh10:46
seb128haha10:46
didrocksthat will teach me to be an early adopter :p10:47
seb128didrocks, yeah, stop slacking!10:47
* Laney begins the webkit workaround fest10:47
* didrocks goes back to precise, like ogra_10:47
Laneylife sucks when you cant test build10:47
seb128LTS\o/10:47
Mirvpitti: a mv_conffile with same old and new conf file name didn't seem to work. the version specific rm_conffile would seem to do its job even when both upgrading and installing the new package at the same time: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/unity-system-compositor/clean_conffile/+merge/19593410:48
pittiMirv: ah, sorry; mv_conffile was for renames, not for moving between packages; so rm_conffile is right10:49
seb128Laney, what happened to e-d-s/goa uploads?10:49
LaneyI said ^^^ that goa will block on webkit10:49
Laneyeds can probably go in though, will do this test and then that10:50
Mirvpitti: also, I found that .maintscript, not .maintscripts helps :) ok, so if that looks ok can you approve?10:50
pittiMirv: just done, thanks for fixing10:51
Mirvpitti: thanks!10:51
seb128Laney, oh ok, I didn't see what you said earlier, just read it now10:52
seb128Laney, no hurry to do the transitions, so maybe let's sort out webkit first10:52
LaneyI think eds goes in on its own10:53
seb128good10:55
=== vrruiz_ is now known as rvr
seb128mlankhorst, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1184451 ?10:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 1184451 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 13.10 random screen freeze while Normal OS activites" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:57
seb128doesn't seem driver specific but it seems to be an issue for quite some users, would be good to have it triaged correctly/reassigned to the right place in case that's a kernel issue10:58
mlankhorstseb128: could be multiple problems squashed in the same bug :/10:59
seb128right, still having some triaging would be good10:59
mlankhorstcould be -> very likely10:59
seb128ok, I'm out for some errands and lunch, back in ~1.5 hours11:05
Laneyuploading eds11:06
mlankhorstseb128: well I listed the bugs I know about from nouveau's side.11:12
didrockssil2100: do you think you are going to upload the new packages today? (both?)11:16
sil2100didrocks: you mean through cu2d? :) Yes11:23
didrockssil2100: great!11:24
=== alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk
=== alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
ogra_wow, the tooltip of the reload button with the latest firefox is gigantic12:36
* ogra_ gets a huge black box with tiny text in the top left12:36
=== pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch
* seb128 hopes Laney doesn't get crazy over webkit13:24
Laneyhahaha13:24
Laneyit's really really annoying using the archive to do test builds13:25
LaneyI'll give it a rest for now13:25
=== pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski
mitya57Laney: did you see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153691641/qtwebkit-source_2.3.2-0ubuntu2_2.3.2-0ubuntu3.diff.gz, btw?13:29
Laneymitya57: no, what's that?13:29
Laneyoh, that's not relevant sadly13:29
Laneywhat version of webkit is that based on?13:29
* mitya57 checks the user agent13:30
Laney1.11.213:30
Laneythat fix stopped working with 2.x13:31
mitya57537.2113:31
mitya57:(13:32
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow
Laneyseb128: I set up http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/evolution-data-server-3.10.html btw13:45
Laneypackages are in NEW13:45
seb128Laney, great! how do you want to organize for rebuilds/uploads?13:45
Laneygoing for lunch in a minute so you can do a batch if you like13:46
seb128do you want to split work? hand it over?...13:46
seb128ok, I'm going to NEW it and start uploading13:46
Laneywill need to publish though13:46
seb128vUDS starts in 15min though so let's see what I can manage to do during session13:46
seb128(I'm hosting a few I'm not participating in)13:46
* Laney nods13:47
Laneychanges for evolution-* are in the ppa13:48
* Laney pushes evolution itself13:48
seb128cool, I guess that one is going to depwait properly13:49
Laneyoh yeah, could just upload it13:49
seb128Laney, I can pocket copies stuff that have an archive version right?13:49
Laneyyeah13:49
Laneywithout binaries, of couse13:49
Laneyalthough that PPA does mix both transitions, so keep that in mind13:50
seb128right13:51
seb128Laney, enjoy lunch!13:51
Laneytrip to the bank... :P13:51
=== Guest71731 is now known as ayna
=== ayna is now known as ayan
=== ayan is now known as Guest17624
tedgHey xnox, I can't make it to this session, but can you go to talk about acc?  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22111/core-1311-app-framework/14:01
tedgUhg, same time as Upstart roadmap as well.14:02
xnoxtedg: i'll see if I can pop in.14:02
tedgxnox, Cool, thanks!14:04
=== alex-abreu|afk is now known as alex-abreu
=== alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea
seb128Laney, do you have Vceses ready to push for e.g evolution-indicator or should I just update/commit/push, while doing the copy, for those?15:32
Laneyyeah, push for indicator15:32
cyphermoxseb128: re. g-c-c15:32
Laneythat's the one that is out of date and confusing15:32
cyphermoxI'll upload the fix anyway, it's pretty straightforward15:32
seb128cyphermox, ok, thanks, do you plan to bugzilla.gnome.org it as well?15:33
cyphermoxyeah15:33
cyphermoxbtw on trusty it doesn't crash15:34
cyphermoxbut g-c-c doesn't show the list of networks15:34
cyphermoxlike, only part of the panel show up for wifi15:34
seb128cyphermox, weird, g-c-c didn't change in trusty15:35
cyphermoxthen maybe I'm not reproducing the bug right15:35
seb128cyphermox, well, I think it's random behaviour, maybe you get lucky15:35
seb128Laney, can you sync folks from debian? doesn't make sense to ppa copy a direct sync15:36
cyphermoxbehavior was definitely improved with my patch anyway15:36
seb128cyphermox, great ;-)15:37
attenteseb128, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/ubuntu-themes/1045602/+merge/19526715:38
seb128attente, sure ... is adwaita doing the same thing?15:40
attenteseb128, yep15:40
attentewell, we're only applying it to gnome-system-log's window15:41
seb128attente, looks fine then, still that's a bit stupid that themes need to do that for the UI to be usable ... but I guess that's not a problem we need to resolve15:41
Laneyseb128: yeah, it already was one15:42
=== alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g
seb128Laney, you mean you synced it already? I don't see it on -changes15:45
LaneyI mean the package in the PPA was a copy from debian already15:46
seb128right15:46
seb128can you sync it to the archive? (that makes more sense than me doing the pocket copy from the ppa)15:47
Laneyam doing15:47
seb128I'm done with the copies, I think15:47
seb128thanks15:47
seb128powerpc is lagging behind though15:47
seb128thanks to chrisccoulson15:47
seb128tb builds taking the builders15:47
Laneywow, sagari built webkit *fast*15:48
=== Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark
pittidesrt: hey Ryan, how are you?15:53
desrtawful!15:54
pittidesrt: :( vUbuFlu?15:54
desrt:)15:54
desrtnah.  i'm fine :)15:54
desrtwhat's up?15:54
pittidesrt: I cobbled together some autopkgtests for systemd-shim: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448791/ (lifecycle), and http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448794/ (power)15:54
desrtneat15:55
pittiin retrospect I probably should have written "power" in python15:55
pittibut *shrug*15:55
desrtdo you want these upstream somehow?15:55
pittidesrt: I sat in yesterday's UDS discussion about the cgroup manager15:55
pittidesrt: no, just a FYI, and in case you have some suggestions what else you want to test15:55
pittidesrt: well, if you want them upstream, we can do that of course15:55
pittidesrt: and once we get that manager, we'll need to add the "create cgroup" etc. API into -shim, and translate it to the API of our cgroup manager15:56
pittidesrt: so I thought we should at least cover the current API before we add lots of more stuff to it15:56
desrtscary15:58
pittidesrt: amen15:58
desrtpitti: thanks for working on this15:58
pittidesrt: but once we get that cgroup manager, 204 won't work for us any more15:58
pittidesrt: but then we can at least upgrade to current systemd/logind versions again, and get a systemd compatible cgroup API15:58
pittidesrt: I'll upload that now (already locally tested with run-adt-test), unless you have some further suggestions15:59
seb128pitti, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/86c6c900c45c7a61d444a2add212730940175c24 seems new on e.u.c/14.04 (started today on the daily view)16:00
seb128FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/sbin/dpkg-divert'16:00
seb128pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/125313616:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 1253136 in apport (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk:FileNotFoundError:/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk@590:run_argv:run_crashes:load_report:find_file_package:get_file_package:__init__:_execute_child" [Undecided,New]16:00
desrtpitti: lennart was running around like a damn fool saying shit like "the new stuff coming to systemd is going to screw you guys so bad...."16:00
desrtpitti: any idea what that was about?  cgroup stuff?16:01
pittiseb128: oh, that's the one I fixed yesterday16:01
seb128pitti, those reports are from 2.12.7-0ubuntu1  which is the current trust version?16:01
pittistrange16:01
pittiseb128: oh, I suppose these might be older crash reports which were laying around16:02
pittiseb128: which you couldn't actually report before due to that very bug16:02
seb128k16:02
pittiseb128: so we got them today *after* we fixed apport to be able to report16:02
seb128I see16:02
seb128pitti, danke16:02
pittidesrt: roughly, yes (just a sec)16:02
pittiseb128: duped to bug 125230516:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 1252305 in apport (Ubuntu) "dpkg-divert not found" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125230516:03
seb128thanks16:03
pittidesrt: so, logind <= 204 created its cgroups by itself16:04
pittidesrt: >= 205 delegate this to a systemd D-BUS API, as the kernel folks want only one process to manage the /sys/fs/cgroup/ hierarchy (and system is that one)16:04
pittidesrt: we also want that behaviour as that will fix a number of security issues as well as race conditions16:04
desrtthe fact that cgroups are not properly recursive seems a bit disturbing to me16:05
pittidesrt: but with a different API, as systemd's doesn't allow nested cgroups16:05
pittidesrt: yes, that's the bit that other folks have a hard time convincing Lennart of16:05
desrtwell... the kernel people, indeed.16:05
pittidesrt: but it should be possible to map systemd's single-hierarchy API to our nested-hierarchy API, and the place for that would be systemd-shim16:05
desrt"one global manager" doesn't sound properly recursive16:05
pittithen logind and other bits which wants to create cgroups (libvirt?) should work16:06
desrtpitti: can this API be used for promoting processes from one cgroup to another?16:06
desrti guess that's sort of 'the point', in fact16:06
desrtbut can it lift processes out of the session?16:06
pittidesrt: I don't know; it's not even designed yet16:07
desrt:)16:07
pittidesrt: nor do I know a lot about cgroup management in general16:08
pittidesrt: but I'm not expecting to be the person to write that translation16:08
desrt:)16:09
desrti'm just thinking about it from a userspace person16:09
desrt's standpoint16:09
desrtlike ... how can i arrange to have my user-scoped service raised out of the session?16:10
desrtthis stuff is all extremely interesting16:12
desrtone thing that seems positively missing, however, is the ability to atomically SIGSTOP an entire cgroup16:12
seb128cyphermox, we need a no change rebuild of indicator-datetime for the new e-d-s ... do you recommend just doing the upload and force the next publishing to ignore that changelog?16:28
seb128(it feels like we are not going to get an indicator landing today)16:29
=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter
seb128cyphermox, I did the no change rebuild upload, just fyu16:41
seb128fyi16:41
cyphermoxok16:41
didrockssil2100: are the new components in archive now? (think about updating the spreadsheet!)16:44
sil2100didrocks: checking! I was updating our task-list only - are those on the landing asks document as well?16:49
didrockssil2100: yeah, they are :)16:49
sil2100didrocks: they're still in the NEW queue sadly!16:51
didrockssil2100: did you ping? raise awareness? :)16:52
seb128did anyone preNEW them?16:53
mterryseb128, heyo, I filed that welcome-wizard branch against system-settings a while ago.  Is there someone that could review it?16:53
seb128I did some reviewing yesterday but not a complete one since the debian/copyright was just wrong16:53
seb128mterry, hey, sorry, with CI down and vUDS we neglected u-s-s a bit, it's on my todolist, I'm going to try to get to it before the end of the week16:54
sil2100seb128: so it wasn't a whole review? I though that this was the thing you pointed out that needs fixing so that the package is ok?16:55
mterryseb128, ok, no rush16:55
sil2100seb128: and unity-scopes-shell was my understanding that you preNEWed today, right?16:55
mterryseb128, just wanted to make sure it was on the radar16:55
seb128sil2100, well, those were the obvious ones, need another look to make sure those are fixed and there is no other ones16:55
seb128mterry, thanks for checking, it is ;-)16:56
sil2100seb128: oh, can I ask for that then please? I thought that the reviews were final ;)17:00
seb128sil2100, sure, let me do that17:00
Laneyoh dear17:07
Laneyopenchange transition → evolution-mapi17:07
seb128Laney, worth thing we can drop evolution-mapi from the archive17:08
seb128and upload it back to proposed17:08
Laneythere's a demote-to-proposed thing17:09
LaneyI wonder if it is ever possible to get used to reading diffs of diffs17:14
* seb128 can't read those, always end up unpacking and applying the diff to see the changes17:16
sil2100seb128: could you give me a sign once you finish the preNEW review of those two packages?17:23
seb128sil2100, unity-scopes-shell NEWed17:34
Laneyoh no I think we'll be alright with mapi17:34
Laneywell, I mean we won't be blocked on arm64 since it didn't exist there before17:34
seb128great17:34
Laneystill will go with openchange though so maybe need demoting if that gets stuck17:35
seb128cool17:36
seb128sil2100, ubuntu-settings-components ... ./runtests.sh is GPL but not listed in the copyright under that license (I pointed that yesterday but that probably got overlooked next to the other ones ... anyway not a blocker but to fix for the next upload)17:37
seb128sil2100, NEWed as well17:37
seb128ok, time for some exercice, bbl17:39
sil2100seb128: thanks! I probably missed this one, since I don't remember reading it - probably overlooked it17:40
ricotzLaney, hi :)18:29
ricotzLaney, why does e-d-s have no gir1.2-ecalendar-1.2 package? libecal-1.2.so gained gi-bindings18:31
ricotzLaney, ah nevermind18:34
seb128ricotz, hey, if that's an overlook, patches are welcome as usual ;-)18:40
didrocksmdeslaur: around?19:04
mdeslaurdidrocks: what's up?19:04
didrocksmdeslaur: want to join the go session?19:04
mdeslaurdidrocks: sarnold and sbeattie are both there I believe19:04
mdeslaurdidrocks: you can ask one of them to join19:04
didrocksmdeslaur: please do :)19:05
didrocksmdeslaur: I sent them the HO links19:05
mdeslaurdidrocks: jdstrand is attending19:06
didrocksmdeslaur: an nice!19:06
=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk
pittidesrt: I looked at the logs for the spinned off "no network after suspend" issue, in bug 125212120:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 1252121 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "missing resume signal because D-BUS connection goes away" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125212120:11
pittidesrt: do you have an off-hand idea why the shim's d-bus connection object would suddenly get invalidated?20:12
* pitti waves good night20:14
=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha
desrtpitti: no.  no idea.20:21
=== Mapley|group is now known as Mapley
=== Mapley is now known as Guest20302
=== Guest20302 is now known as Mapley
Sweetsharkum, alioth host indentification changed. Does anyone have a link to a showing the new fingerprint?22:06
desrtLaney: found the ppc crasher.  valgrind bug.22:08
desrtLaney: patch is available on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71098322:10
ubot2Gnome bug 710983 in gio "Test failures on powerpc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]22:10
desrtupstream bug is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27880822:10
ubot2KDE bug 278808 in general "PPC32 Special Instruction sequence clobbers R0 instead of preserving R0" [Normal,Unconfirmed]22:10
AmpelbeinSweetshark: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/SSH ?22:10
SweetsharkAmpelbein: seems to be outdated. But https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=moszumanska is up-to-date.22:16

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!