[13:57] <amjjawad> balloons: Hi
[13:57] <amjjawad> how is everything today? :D
[13:59] <amjjawad> balloons:
[13:59] <amjjawad> link please
[13:59] <balloons> howdy everyone
[13:59] <balloons> for anyone wanting to join, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi6r2pmsu1pcm346p912ph8?authuser=0&hl=en
[13:59] <balloons> amjjawad, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi6r2pmsu1pcm346p912ph8?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi6r2pmsu1pcm346p912ph8?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <tdr112> hello
[14:04] <balloons> hello tdr112
[14:06] <balloons> hey DanChapman, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi6r2pmsu1pcm346p912ph8?authuser=0&hl=en if you'd like to hop on :-)
[14:13] <DanChapman> balloons, i can only IRC for this session :-(
[14:13] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh, no worries
[14:17] <tdr112> We have all this talk about getting testers, are we going to chat about community run testing events ?
[14:17] <balloons> tdr112, yes.. I'll steer amjjawad back towards our topic :-)
[14:17] <DanChapman> heh
[14:20] <tdr112> In our loco we find "testing" is a great entry level to help out at a bug jam
[14:21] <tdr112> How can we much that even better to get people into it
[14:22] <ali1234> in xubuntu we knew things were broken well before release: it never got fixed because we lacked people who knew how to package the fixes, and because the fixes weren't packaged, they couldn't be tested, because testing is focused on packages and isos
[14:24] <balloons> tdr112, what do you mean?
[14:25] <balloons> ali1234, yes we can only test work that gets don
[14:25] <balloons> *done
[14:26] <tdr112> so for the last bug jam , we had a lot of non tech people come along to it and the best thing we found for them to do was to try and install ubuntu and do some testing , if there was some clear check list to give them, people might get more out of it
[14:26] <ali1234> well, i need people testing branches from lp and other upstreams, and i need feedback on a fast turnaround
[14:29] <DanChapman> tdr112 does the qa tracker testcases not provide enough info for new people to start working through?
[14:30] <tdr112> DanChapman: it might,
[14:31] <balloons> tdr112, does this work for you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing
[14:31] <DanChapman> tdr112 for example http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/42/testsuites provides various scenarios for iso testing and the testcases are well broken down into nice step-by-step
[14:33] <DanChapman> balloons, I didn't know about that wiki page :-)
[14:37] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[14:37] <balloons> DanChapman, :-) Yes we tried to make it easy
[14:38] <amjjawad> balloons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[14:38] <DanChapman> balloons, how about an ical for folks to import?
[14:39]  * DanChapman reallllly likes that page
[14:39]  * balloons too
[14:40] <DanChapman> we all should have one
[14:48] <balloons> DanChapman, yes the pluses of a real calendar means we can have stuff like ical
[14:59] <chilicuil> thanks for the session =)
[15:00] <balloons> ty chilicuil :-)
[15:01] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiu84d3clhi4f8jjekr27qg?authuser=0 for whoever wants to join in
[15:01] <pleia2> thanks dholbach
[15:03] <pleia2> anyone else who can hop on, please do :)
[15:04] <pleia2> sgclark? belkinsa?
[15:04] <belkinsa> Yes
[15:05] <sgclark> yeah
[15:05] <belkinsa> I don't do Hangouts, sorry.
[15:05] <pleia2> we're going to start broadcasting
[15:05] <dholbach> hello hello, we still have a lot of room in the hangout :)
[15:05] <sgclark> new install sorry, installing plugin
[15:05] <cprofitt> I will do my best to participate, but today is busy here at work
[15:06] <knome> dholbach, good for you, not a sardine bin then ;)
[15:06] <dholbach> sgclark, great
[15:06] <dholbach> if you want, you can just talk and turn off your video - there were just a bunch of folks who did that in a session in core-2 earlier :)
[15:06] <pleia2> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-ubuntu-women
[15:07] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/RoadMap-T
[15:07] <knome> nah, i don't do G+
[15:07] <yolanda> i'm listening, i'm curious about that
[15:08] <dholbach> it'd be great to have a bit more participation in the hangout :)
[15:08] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/GetInvolved
[15:09] <pleia2> Deindre: can join the hangout here https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiu84d3clhi4f8jjekr27qg?authuser=0
[15:10] <cprofitt> I am particularly interested in seeing 'advice' or 'blue prints' being created for loco teams that would address engaging young women and technology
[15:10] <belkinsa> Yeah.  Here is the link to the project: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/GIWPI
[15:10] <cprofitt> ie., encouraging 11-18 year old girls to use technology / programming / etc
[15:12] <pleia2> cprofitt: can you add a bullet point to the etherpad?
[15:12] <sgclark> plugin installs fine but chrome refuses to see it, sorry I tried
[15:12] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/RoadMap-GIWPI
[15:12] <belkinsa> Do some sort of "Get Involved" day, like the Career Days, was one of my ideas and whoever thought of that to.
[15:12] <pleia2> sgclark: doh! next time
[15:12] <cprofitt> in a very general sense I think helping young women foster their interest will help in the long run
[15:13] <belkinsa> Yes, write that matrix is what we need to do.
[15:14] <pleia2> belkinsa: anything else to add on this topic?
[15:14] <belkinsa> No, just the two- The day and the martix.
[15:14] <pleia2> cprofitt: we're going to go through the agenda items we had in our blueprint first (sorry for knocking your item to the bottom)
[15:15] <pleia2> belkinsa: ok cool
[15:15] <cprofitt> I added it pleia2 -- this would seem to fit with some of the other items -- like getting involved, best practices, but with a target of a specific age group
[15:15] <cprofitt> no problem pleia2
[15:16] <cprofitt> I think it fits under several of the existing items, but there likely has to be a different approach for that age group vs. women who are already in university or graduated
[15:16] <belkinsa> I could.
[15:16] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices
[15:16] <belkinsa> I would*
[15:18] <cprofitt> Actually -- I am looking for ideas from your team
[15:19] <cprofitt> it is something I want to do, but I am unsure of how to go about it
[15:19] <cprofitt> I think it requires a different approach, but not sure of the best way to go about it
[15:19] <cprofitt> my ideas would be to engage the teachers directly, but are there other ways
[15:20] <AlanBell> http://codeclub.org.uk has good materials for young people
[15:20] <dholbach> AlanBell, nice
[15:20] <dholbach> philballew could be a contact for the ubuntu youth team
[15:21] <cprofitt> I think it might be something that requires a different approach at that age group
[15:21] <pleia2> yeah
[15:22] <cprofitt> partially to make parents feel comfortable
[15:22] <cprofitt> I have had young men show up to Lug meetings, etc... but not young women
[15:22] <cprofitt> I am not sure if there is some way of making parents comfortable
[15:24] <belkinsa> It's mostly a Google drive doc, can you add that link also? Thanks.
[15:25] <dholbach> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13HbySyDWX5UheFWy6RyNpzasL7CaMhE9w9b_pGKA61M/edit
[15:26] <belkinsa> Er, sorryfor that edit.  I think my computer is having issues.
[15:26] <cprofitt> Other than getting a job... it may help to also show how the skills could translate to being more ready for college / university
[15:27] <cprofitt> https://www.gradfly.co/
[15:32] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles
[15:34] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
[15:38] <cprofitt> just my comment about making it more than career
[15:38] <cprofitt> add the ability for it to assist students getting in to college or university
[15:38] <cprofitt> the gradfly site as an example
[15:39] <belkinsa> Can some put those three last lines under the gradfly link that I posted on the pad?  Can't seem to do that.  Thanks.
[15:40] <cprofitt> perhaps it is something for us to think about
[15:40] <dholbach> I just had a look at the ubuntu-women.org site and wondered if the stories could be a bit more prominent? maybe a few paragraphs of a few members with pictures (just an idea off the top off my hat) - it might also make it a bit more inviting
[15:40] <belkinsa> Never mind, added it
[15:40] <cprofitt> I think attracting women at this point is critical to improving women in technology
[15:40] <sgclark> old gal here
[15:41] <belkinsa> Dholbach, I agree.  Maybe that can be an action item for me to look into that?
[15:41] <cprofitt> why as women, did you not get involved in technology when you were younger?
[15:41] <cprofitt> can we do anything to address that issue?
[15:42] <dholbach> belkinsa, sure, that'd be awesome - how about      [belkinsa] make (at least some) stories of ubuntu women more prominent on the site     ?
[15:42] <pleia2> dholbach: yeah, so far we only posted it on the blog and only have one story so far
[15:42] <cprofitt> +1 dholbach
[15:42] <sgclark> my first programming was done on a TRS-80 hehe. can't answer that
[15:43] <dholbach> pleia2, I'm sure you could just nick some snippets from people's wiki pages plus their LP profile pic ;-)
[15:43] <pleia2> hehe
[15:43] <dholbach> belkinsa, great!
[15:43] <belkinsa> Yes, but maybe revise the page into something else better.
[15:43] <pleia2> sgclark: nice!
[15:43]  * cprofitt nods
[15:44] <cprofitt> some of the limitations are for both boys and girls, but if there are things that specifically can be done to encourage young women that would help
[15:44] <belkinsa> Agreed.
[15:44] <belkinsa> Maybe this is prefect for the mailing-list and right now to talk about?
[15:45] <pleia2> belkinsa: yeah
[15:45] <pleia2> maybe more expertise on the mailing list
[15:45] <sgclark> my story is still n Alpha stage
[15:45] <cprofitt> belkinsa: I think so...
[15:46] <cprofitt> I think I can try to engage some other young women in technology groups that exist and try to map some of their 'stuff' to Ubuntu specifically
[15:46] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Interviews
[15:47] <cprofitt> I will take that as a TODO item
[15:47] <cprofitt> not so much of a TODO, but perhaps it can assist with the process for next time to have some specific ideas / examples etc
[15:48] <belkinsa> Maybe tie those interviews into the story page?
[15:48] <belkinsa> Or at least link them?
[15:48] <pleia2> belkinsa: +1
[15:48] <belkinsa> On both pages.
[15:49] <Deindre> thank you pleia2
[15:49] <Deindre> awesome as usually
[15:49] <cprofitt> thanks everyone
[15:49] <sgclark> tanks everyone
[15:49] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[15:49] <sgclark> thanks*
[15:49] <belkinsa> Not a problem and thanks.
[15:49] <pleia2> Deindre: thanks for being on camera!
[15:50] <Deindre> I really care about UW project :)
[15:50] <belkinsa> I think we all do.  :)
[15:57] <pleia2> dholbach: timing isn't great for my fellow classroom admins for the next session, we can either do a really short one with just you and I, or punt entirely for a non-UDS timeslot (maybe next week) when jose and possibly nigelb are around
[15:57] <dholbach> pleia2, let's do a short one at least, so we can involve folks who do turn up
[15:57] <pleia2> ok
[15:57] <dholbach> an yeah, session next week should work
[15:58] <dholbach> it would leave time to get another blog post out too :)
[15:58] <pleia2> :)
[15:59] <dholbach> pleia2, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpimmh196kvncqlioppimcec
[15:59] <dholbach> (and everyone else)
[16:02] <ogra_> dholbach, do you plan to cover stuff like phone porting clinics too in the next session ?
[16:03] <dholbach> ogra_, no, not quite - it was more about ubuntu user days, ubuntu open week, that kind of stuff
[16:03] <ogra_> yeah, i saw the pad
[16:03] <dholbach> ogra_, but sure, if you have something to add about porting clinics, we can talk about those too
[16:03] <ogra_> (thats what made me ask :) )
[16:03] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpimmh196kvncqlioppimcec
[16:04] <ogra_> well, we want them, but it is probably rather something we need to coordinate between the phone teams
[16:04] <dholbach> ogra_, sure... if you drop me a mail about it, we can talk about it next week and line up a few dates
[16:04] <ogra_> yeah
[16:04] <dholbach> I'd be happy to help where I can (not being an expert)
[16:04] <dholbach> ... and participate once I get my fairphone ;-)
[16:05] <ogra_> heh
[16:05] <ogra_> well, you are the expert for organizing such stuff ;)
[16:21] <dholbach> any more comments from folks on IRC?
[16:21] <dholbach> anyone who wants to be included in the invite to the hangout?
[16:22] <pleia2> thanks dholbach
[16:22] <pleia2> woo early "lunch"
[16:22]  * dholbach hugs pleia2
[16:22] <dholbach> :)
[16:22]  * pleia2 hugs
[18:58]  * elfy is lurking 
[19:00] <elfy> Letozaf_ has come to lurk as well :)
[19:01] <Letozaf_> elfy, :D
[19:01]  * elfy wonders where the vid is for it ... 
[19:03] <elfy> ooh - quiet at the front there ...
[19:03] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj0ogtpvv4788uo7p3rcf58?authuser=0&hl=en <-- hangout link
[19:08] <balloons> hangout link, if needed: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpj0ogtpvv4788uo7p3rcf58?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:19] <gema> I am with barry, having a golden run on CI should be a must
[19:32] <gema> all of them
[19:32] <gema> fix'em all
[19:33] <gema> thomi: I like your cat :)
[19:33] <balloons> more cat, less guitars?
[19:33] <gema> balloons: +1!!
[19:37] <dobey> are the apps being started with upstart, or directly by autopilot?
[19:38] <dobey> elopio: ^^
[19:39] <thomi> dobey: it depends on the app. Several are started with upstart
[19:39] <elopio> dobey: on the desktop, autopilot runs qmlscene directly
[19:39] <elopio> on the phone, I think it changed on some.
[19:39] <balloons> yes, on the phone it's run via upstart (if it's click)
[19:39] <dobey> elopio: well you don't need xvfb running on the phone though?
[19:40] <elopio> dobey: no, I would be happy with it working on my desktop.
[19:40] <dobey> if "xvfb-run -a autopilot" doesn't work, then it's probably a bug in autopilot not passing the environment to the child app, correctly
[19:40] <dobey> so should be pretty easy to fix
[19:41] <elopio> dobey: yes, corey told me xvfb-run didn't work. So, that's likely. I'm going to paste your comment on the pad.
[19:41] <balloons> I noticed thomi escaped with no work items :-)
[19:42] <pitti> dobey: oh, running xvfb + autopilot isn't that trivial actually
[19:42] <pitti> dobey: we wrote an autopilot-sandbox-run specifically for this
[19:42] <balloons> DanChapman, anything you'd like to see?
[19:42] <pitti> dobey: you can also run it with -X/--xephyr to actually see what it's doing
[19:42] <balloons> speak now my friend :-)
[19:42] <DanChapman> thomi is talking about it now
[19:42] <pitti> dobey: (by default it uses xvfb)
[19:42] <DanChapman> balloons, ^^
[19:42] <pitti> elopio: ^
[19:43] <balloons> lol DanChapman :-)
[19:46] <thomi> http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/api/platform.html
[19:47] <pbass> +1 for dep-8 tests
[19:50] <balloons> lol thomi I decided to spare the poor cat from the next step
[19:50] <elopio> thanks pitti, I'll give it a try.
[19:51] <pitti> elopio: I use it in the shotwell autopkgtest, very convenient
[19:51] <pitti> elopio: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/tests/import