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ali1234in xubuntu we knew things were broken well before release: it never got fixed because we lacked people who knew how to package the fixes, and because the fixes weren't packaged, they couldn't be tested, because testing is focused on packages and isos14:20
ali1234oops, wrong channel14:21
=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Community exploratory testing | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22065/community-1311-quality-community-exploratory-testing/
balloonshttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en for anyone who wants to join the hangout15:03
balloonshowdy :-)15:03
elopiohello!15:04
balloonshello!15:04
balloonsyou are going to be me all alone.. click the hangout link :-) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en15:04
balloonscome into the fishbowl15:04
balloonsmwahhaha15:04
balloonsmeh, my english..  you'd think I typed for a living or something15:05
knomewhat's the youtube link?15:05
balloonshttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en15:05
balloonsand http://youtu.be/CRl0voehYuc15:05
knometa15:06
knomei'll open it muted :P15:06
knomeand try to hop on/off between two sessions15:06
julien-funkI tried to join the hangout but was denied :/15:07
knomeand what was the pad again? :P15:08
balloonshttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-quality-community-exploratory-testing15:08
* knome bows15:08
balloonsI sent you an invite julien-funk15:08
julien-funkdon't worry15:08
cgoldbergim getting double audio.. weird15:08
balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting15:11
knomeballoons, ping me if you need some insight or comments (you're muted)15:11
balloonshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester#Exploratory_Testing15:11
* cgoldberg waves at julien-funk and elopio15:12
* julien-funk waves back to cgoldberg15:12
la_juyiscgoldberg, could you please paste it here too?15:19
balloonshttp://www.amazon.com/Exploratory-Software-Testing-Tricks-Techniques/dp/032163641415:19
knomei wonder if exploratory testing is easier for new contributors, because they aren't as "overspecialized" or prone to do things always the same way as people who have ran a lot of those tests15:19
la_juyistnx15:19
cgoldbergla_juyis, James Bach (awful), James Whittaker15:20
knomewould it be a good idea to point new contributors to that then?15:21
knomeas long as you are able to remember what those notes mean, you should be able to make them more useful for others as well15:26
balloonsknome, yes I think distilled notes could potentially be useful to others15:27
balloonsbut personal notes aren't going to be useful imh15:27
knomewhat about doing screencapturing whenever doing exploratory testing?15:27
julien-funkknome I think that would be most useful when reporting a defect but it might not be compelling for people to watch what other's have done15:29
knomejulien-funk, it's possible to edit and cut the video15:29
julien-funkknome: sure, I am just wondering what reason someone would have to watch it15:29
balloonsknome, ahh, recording your session so you know what happened :-)15:29
knomeballoons, yeah. isn't that kind of obvious?15:30
knomeballoons, see my comment on using the tracker on the pad15:31
balloonsknome, k15:31
knomecheckbox in a tracker? (:15:32
knomelist the functional areas as testcases15:33
knomeevery report is a "marked checkbox"15:33
knomeand you can add your notes in the comments15:33
knomeballoons, ^15:34
knomewhat i mean, why aren't we using the tracker15:34
knomespecific tag for exploratory testing?15:37
knomeokay15:39
knomethat would be some metrics :)15:39
knomewell we could see the amount of time exploratory testing was done15:41
balloonshttp://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/262/history15:41
knome+115:43
cgoldberghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNkYz1hB7r015:45
knometracker can show the number of people and number of tests15:48
knome(just saying!)15:48
cgoldbergmetrics: total time under test for functional area, bugs found15:48
knomegosh, the ubuntu wiki is really slow, that's not a lot better than the tracker15:49
* balloons is reading your feedback knome :-)15:49
knomeack15:49
knomepad needs a SSO account as well15:49
knome(and a membership on the -etherpad team)15:50
knomewhat julien is describing sounds like the tracker15:50
balloonsfill in the details on the pad if you could :-)15:50
gemaballoons: why would we want to develop a "new tool" instead of the tracker?15:53
gemaballoons: sorry, I may have missed the rationale15:53
knomegema, exactly, +115:53
balloonshey gema :-)15:54
gemaballoons: sorry, I joined late15:54
gemaballoons: trying to save you guys from the road to hell we've already been to15:54
balloonsno worries.. we're discussing implementation ideas15:54
gemathrough15:54
balloonsyes speak up :-)15:54
gemaballoons: just modify the tracker however you need15:54
gemajulien-funk: it takes a while to get used to15:55
gemajulien-funk: the logic behind the tracker is super complex and developing the tool from scratch is a massive undertaking15:55
cgoldbergis the tracker easy to hack/extend?15:55
knomewe're already working on the visual side of the tracker with stgraber15:55
knomewe can make it even simpler as needed15:55
gemacgoldberg: I think it is reasonably, and stgraber is open to changes15:55
cgoldberggema, do you know what it's written in?15:56
knomepython15:56
cgoldbergdjango?15:56
knomei think...15:56
gemacgoldberg: I am not sure what was the language15:56
gemacgoldberg: talk to stgraber15:56
balloonshe's correct15:56
cgoldbergok thanks15:56
knomemodifying the tracker isn't too hard, we basically have everything we need, now we just need to drop down features!15:56
gemaknome: +115:56
knomejulien-funk, you can always ask for help on using the tracker on #ubuntu-quality15:57
julien-funkknome right15:57
knomei'm off. you can find me on #ubuntu-quality15:59
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skellatdpm: I'm ready16:04
dpmHey all, setting up the hangout now. For those of you who want to join the LoCo portal session, here's the hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc16:04
dpmhi skellat :)16:04
dpmskellat, here's the hangout link ^^16:04
dpmhttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc16:07
YoBoYhi here :)16:08
dpmhttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-portal-promotion16:08
YoBoYI can hear16:08
YoBoYI want to start to report this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto seems someone deleted the content :(16:11
skellathttp://mediagoblin.org/16:14
YoBoYthis page is linked on the loco portal16:18
YoBoYhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/16:18
YoBoY(sorry the lag)16:19
YoBoYI'm expecting to see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto?action=recall&rev=7016:19
YoBoYok16:20
skellatThe LoCo Council's Twitter Feed: https://twitter.com/LoCoCouncil16:22
YoBoYloosing the sound … :(16:32
YoBoYbetter16:32
YoBoYdon't think we need a new news team16:37
YoBoYin the past we add the team reports in the UWN if these team reports, perhaps we can ask them is they want to reboot that part on a separate rss stream for us16:38
YoBoYwe had16:38
YoBoY(sorry, doing too much things at the same time, my english is worse thant ever :O)16:39
dholbachYoBoY, it might work to just mail the ubuntu-news-team@ mailing list?16:42
frippefribergHow about multiple languages? We write about our events and news in Swedish. Should we switch and translate it to English to fit in better in the portal?16:42
YoBoYdholbach, I don't know16:42
dholbachfrippefriberg, pictures always work :)16:43
YoBoYfrippefriberg, the LC always said to me it's open to all the langages, if you want to add your team blog, just ask16:43
dholbachyeah16:43
dholbachif you can write a small paragraph in English to explain what happened, that's great, but if it's all swedish, that's fine too :)16:43
frippefribergok16:44
dholbachthere's always google translate or other services :)16:44
YoBoYwhat i have done this month : an Ubuntu Party http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliant/sets/72157637818345094/ :D (what I won ? ^^")16:44
dpmYoBoY, these pictures are awesome16:45
dholbachgreat pictures!16:45
YoBoYthanks16:46
YoBoYsorry dpm ^^"16:46
YoBoYskellat, you'r welcome16:56
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YoBoYthanks everyone :)17:01
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=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-2 to: Track: Community | Loco community involvement in App Development | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22034/community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/
dholbachdpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpibs3tsnh0ssdau2qjhiv0g17:58
dholbachand anyone else ^17:59
dpmcool, coming over17:59
skellato/17:59
dholbachjono_, ^18:00
dholbachanyone else who wants to join in?18:04
dholbachhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22034/community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/18:21
dholbachhttp://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/latest18:21
dholbachhum... rather: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events18:22
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule18:30
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dpmFor those who want to participate in this session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj7831r7abb8cdbh1d7sfvk19:02
dholbachhttp://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-leadership19:05
YoBoYhi19:06
dholbachfrippefriberg, YoBoY: want to join in?19:06
YoBoYin19:07
frippefribergyes keep it simple and strict to find information. Today we hunt information and people in the team find different information sometimes19:41
dholbachmy browser is acting up19:49
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