[14:20] <ali1234> in xubuntu we knew things were broken well before release: it never got fixed because we lacked people who knew how to package the fixes, and because the fixes weren't packaged, they couldn't be tested, because testing is focused on packages and isos
[14:21] <ali1234> oops, wrong channel
[15:03] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en for anyone who wants to join the hangout
[15:03] <balloons> howdy :-)
[15:04] <elopio> hello!
[15:04] <balloons> hello!
[15:04] <balloons> you are going to be me all alone.. click the hangout link :-) https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:04] <balloons> come into the fishbowl
[15:04] <balloons> mwahhaha
[15:05] <balloons> meh, my english..  you'd think I typed for a living or something
[15:05] <knome> what's the youtube link?
[15:05] <balloons> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi5ial81gk1qbofl262k96o?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:05] <balloons> and http://youtu.be/CRl0voehYuc
[15:06] <knome> ta
[15:06] <knome> i'll open it muted :P
[15:06] <knome> and try to hop on/off between two sessions
[15:07] <julien-funk> I tried to join the hangout but was denied :/
[15:08] <knome> and what was the pad again? :P
[15:08] <balloons> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-quality-community-exploratory-testing
[15:08]  * knome bows
[15:08] <balloons> I sent you an invite julien-funk
[15:08] <julien-funk> don't worry
[15:08] <cgoldberg> im getting double audio.. weird
[15:11] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting
[15:11] <knome> balloons, ping me if you need some insight or comments (you're muted)
[15:11] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester#Exploratory_Testing
[15:12]  * cgoldberg waves at julien-funk and elopio
[15:12]  * julien-funk waves back to cgoldberg
[15:19] <la_juyis> cgoldberg, could you please paste it here too?
[15:19] <balloons> http://www.amazon.com/Exploratory-Software-Testing-Tricks-Techniques/dp/0321636414
[15:19] <knome> i wonder if exploratory testing is easier for new contributors, because they aren't as "overspecialized" or prone to do things always the same way as people who have ran a lot of those tests
[15:19] <la_juyis> tnx
[15:20] <cgoldberg> la_juyis, James Bach (awful), James Whittaker
[15:21] <knome> would it be a good idea to point new contributors to that then?
[15:26] <knome> as long as you are able to remember what those notes mean, you should be able to make them more useful for others as well
[15:27] <balloons> knome, yes I think distilled notes could potentially be useful to others
[15:27] <balloons> but personal notes aren't going to be useful imh
[15:27] <knome> what about doing screencapturing whenever doing exploratory testing?
[15:29] <julien-funk> knome I think that would be most useful when reporting a defect but it might not be compelling for people to watch what other's have done
[15:29] <knome> julien-funk, it's possible to edit and cut the video
[15:29] <julien-funk> knome: sure, I am just wondering what reason someone would have to watch it
[15:29] <balloons> knome, ahh, recording your session so you know what happened :-)
[15:30] <knome> balloons, yeah. isn't that kind of obvious?
[15:31] <knome> balloons, see my comment on using the tracker on the pad
[15:31] <balloons> knome, k
[15:32] <knome> checkbox in a tracker? (:
[15:33] <knome> list the functional areas as testcases
[15:33] <knome> every report is a "marked checkbox"
[15:33] <knome> and you can add your notes in the comments
[15:34] <knome> balloons, ^
[15:34] <knome> what i mean, why aren't we using the tracker
[15:37] <knome> specific tag for exploratory testing?
[15:39] <knome> okay
[15:39] <knome> that would be some metrics :)
[15:41] <knome> well we could see the amount of time exploratory testing was done
[15:41] <balloons> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/262/history
[15:43] <knome> +1
[15:45] <cgoldberg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNkYz1hB7r0
[15:48] <knome> tracker can show the number of people and number of tests
[15:48] <knome> (just saying!)
[15:48] <cgoldberg> metrics: total time under test for functional area, bugs found
[15:49] <knome> gosh, the ubuntu wiki is really slow, that's not a lot better than the tracker
[15:49]  * balloons is reading your feedback knome :-)
[15:49] <knome> ack
[15:49] <knome> pad needs a SSO account as well
[15:50] <knome> (and a membership on the -etherpad team)
[15:50] <knome> what julien is describing sounds like the tracker
[15:50] <balloons> fill in the details on the pad if you could :-)
[15:53] <gema> balloons: why would we want to develop a "new tool" instead of the tracker?
[15:53] <gema> balloons: sorry, I may have missed the rationale
[15:53] <knome> gema, exactly, +1
[15:54] <balloons> hey gema :-)
[15:54] <gema> balloons: sorry, I joined late
[15:54] <gema> balloons: trying to save you guys from the road to hell we've already been to
[15:54] <balloons> no worries.. we're discussing implementation ideas
[15:54] <gema> through
[15:54] <balloons> yes speak up :-)
[15:54] <gema> balloons: just modify the tracker however you need
[15:55] <gema> julien-funk: it takes a while to get used to
[15:55] <gema> julien-funk: the logic behind the tracker is super complex and developing the tool from scratch is a massive undertaking
[15:55] <cgoldberg> is the tracker easy to hack/extend?
[15:55] <knome> we're already working on the visual side of the tracker with stgraber
[15:55] <knome> we can make it even simpler as needed
[15:55] <gema> cgoldberg: I think it is reasonably, and stgraber is open to changes
[15:56] <cgoldberg> gema, do you know what it's written in?
[15:56] <knome> python
[15:56] <cgoldberg> django?
[15:56] <knome> i think...
[15:56] <gema> cgoldberg: I am not sure what was the language
[15:56] <gema> cgoldberg: talk to stgraber
[15:56] <balloons> he's correct
[15:56] <cgoldberg> ok thanks
[15:56] <knome> modifying the tracker isn't too hard, we basically have everything we need, now we just need to drop down features!
[15:56] <gema> knome: +1
[15:57] <knome> julien-funk, you can always ask for help on using the tracker on #ubuntu-quality
[15:57] <julien-funk> knome right
[15:59] <knome> i'm off. you can find me on #ubuntu-quality
[16:04] <skellat> dpm: I'm ready
[16:04] <dpm> Hey all, setting up the hangout now. For those of you who want to join the LoCo portal session, here's the hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc
[16:04] <dpm> hi skellat :)
[16:04] <dpm> skellat, here's the hangout link ^^
[16:07] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi35clt9funqiph6ddr0pkc
[16:08] <YoBoY> hi here :)
[16:08] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-portal-promotion
[16:08] <YoBoY> I can hear
[16:11] <YoBoY> I want to start to report this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto seems someone deleted the content :(
[16:14] <skellat> http://mediagoblin.org/
[16:18] <YoBoY> this page is linked on the loco portal
[16:18] <YoBoY> http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/
[16:19] <YoBoY> (sorry the lag)
[16:19] <YoBoY> I'm expecting to see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto?action=recall&rev=70
[16:20] <YoBoY> ok
[16:22] <skellat> The LoCo Council's Twitter Feed: https://twitter.com/LoCoCouncil
[16:32] <YoBoY> loosing the sound … :(
[16:32] <YoBoY> better
[16:37] <YoBoY> don't think we need a new news team
[16:38] <YoBoY> in the past we add the team reports in the UWN if these team reports, perhaps we can ask them is they want to reboot that part on a separate rss stream for us
[16:38] <YoBoY> we had
[16:39] <YoBoY> (sorry, doing too much things at the same time, my english is worse thant ever :O)
[16:42] <dholbach> YoBoY, it might work to just mail the ubuntu-news-team@ mailing list?
[16:42] <frippefriberg> How about multiple languages? We write about our events and news in Swedish. Should we switch and translate it to English to fit in better in the portal?
[16:42] <YoBoY> dholbach, I don't know
[16:43] <dholbach> frippefriberg, pictures always work :)
[16:43] <YoBoY> frippefriberg, the LC always said to me it's open to all the langages, if you want to add your team blog, just ask
[16:43] <dholbach> yeah
[16:43] <dholbach> if you can write a small paragraph in English to explain what happened, that's great, but if it's all swedish, that's fine too :)
[16:44] <frippefriberg> ok
[16:44] <dholbach> there's always google translate or other services :)
[16:44] <YoBoY> what i have done this month : an Ubuntu Party http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliant/sets/72157637818345094/ :D (what I won ? ^^")
[16:45] <dpm> YoBoY, these pictures are awesome
[16:45] <dholbach> great pictures!
[16:46] <YoBoY> thanks
[16:46] <YoBoY> sorry dpm ^^"
[16:56] <YoBoY> skellat, you'r welcome
[17:01] <YoBoY> thanks everyone :)
[17:58] <dholbach> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpibs3tsnh0ssdau2qjhiv0g
[17:59] <dholbach> and anyone else ^
[17:59] <dpm> cool, coming over
[17:59] <skellat> o/
[18:00] <dholbach> jono_, ^
[18:04] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in?
[18:21] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22034/community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/
[18:21] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events/latest
[18:22] <dholbach> hum... rather: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-appdev-school-events
[18:30] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[19:02] <dpm> For those who want to participate in this session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj7831r7abb8cdbh1d7sfvk
[19:05] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-community-1311-loco-leadership
[19:06] <YoBoY> hi
[19:06] <dholbach> frippefriberg, YoBoY: want to join in?
[19:07] <YoBoY> in
[19:41] <frippefriberg> yes keep it simple and strict to find information. Today we hunt information and people in the team find different information sometimes
[19:49] <dholbach> my browser is acting up