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| dbarth | hi | 15:01 |
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| dbarth | mhall119: hi | 15:01 |
| dbarth | mhall119: can you send me the hg link? | 15:01 |
| === alex-abreu|afk is now known as alex-abreu | ||
| mhall119 | dbarth: msm is going to run it | 15:02 |
| dbarth | ah ok | 15:02 |
| daker | hi | 15:03 |
| dbarth | hi daker! | 15:03 |
| daker | again i am following on IRC | 15:03 |
| dbarth | nw | 15:03 |
| dbarth | but youŕe welcome in the hg | 15:03 |
| daker | ya i know no mic here :( | 15:04 |
| daker | if you ask me a question look for the answer here | 15:04 |
| dbarth | ok, sure | 15:05 |
| dbarth | we may just all end up on irc | 15:05 |
| dbarth | if we don't get the hg link | 15:05 |
| dbarth | ;) | 15:05 |
| dbarth | *that* is the hallway after all | 15:05 |
| bzoltan1 | I am here | 15:05 |
| bzoltan1 | where is the coffee | 15:05 |
| * dbarth sends a cup to bzoltan1 | 15:05 | |
| bzoltan1 | thanks dbarth | 15:06 |
| alex-abreu | bzoltan1, it is already late for you, you should be awake | 15:06 |
| bzoltan1 | :) LOL | 15:06 |
| bzoltan1 | alex-abreu: I was awake yesterday localtime 2am | 15:07 |
| alex-abreu | ah ! :) that explains it | 15:07 |
| bzoltan1 | What is the link to the hangout? | 15:07 |
| alex-abreu | we are waiting for it | 15:08 |
| alex-abreu | daker, btw have you had time to review my small MRs yesterday (I am reviewing yours) ? | 15:08 |
| daker | alex-abreu: not yet i will do it tonight | 15:09 |
| alex-abreu | no worries | 15:09 |
| alex-abreu | HTML5 just left ... what a sign | 15:09 |
| daker | wat! | 15:10 |
| bzoltan1 | I have merged the html5 with the cordova templates in the QtC and pulled in the simple webapp template | 15:10 |
| alex-abreu | bzoltan1, ?? ... I did this too yestefday ! | 15:11 |
| bzoltan1 | alex-abreu: today ... an hour or so ago | 15:11 |
| dbarth | well,so we're all on the same page then | 15:11 |
| bzoltan1 | https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/facelift/+merge/195963 | 15:11 |
| alex-abreu | yeah | 15:11 |
| bzoltan1 | it has landed on the QtC trunk | 15:11 |
| alex-abreu | ah ok | 15:11 |
| dbarth | but i'd like to confirm if we can just have 1 single hmtl5 template, not the tab and simple ones like in qml | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | I saw | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | bzoltan1, expect another MR | 15:12 |
| dbarth | ie, keep it super simple to see where to start an html5 app | 15:12 |
| dbarth | alex-abreu: ;) | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | ok mine does expand on this work ... | 15:12 |
| dbarth | MR fight | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | good | 15:12 |
| bzoltan1 | alex-abreu: cool... just update your branch from the trunk | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | bzoltan1, yup | 15:12 |
| kyleN | also the gaol is to have the single template also be used for cordova, yes? | 15:12 |
| alex-abreu | conflict hell | 15:12 |
| * bzoltan1 likes the smell of conflicting MRs in the morning | 15:13 | |
| dbarth | kyleN: yes, cordova apis will be part of that single template | 15:13 |
| alex-abreu | kyleN, yes until 3.x | 15:13 |
| dbarth | ie, we're talking about the cordova APIs here only, not the new cli stuff that is cordova specific, and not the recommended way for ubuntu app developers | 15:13 |
| dbarth | kyleN: makes snse? | 15:13 |
| kyleN | alex-abreu, are you saying that with cordova 3.3 there will be a "regression" to two qtC Ubuntu HTML templates? | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | html left ... the situation is worse | 15:14 |
| kyleN | now we ahve two tempaltes, one for html5, one for cordova | 15:14 |
| dbarth | ;) | 15:14 |
| kyleN | I think the plan is to move to one tempalte that supports both | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | kyleN, cordova 3.x. will follow the cordova model, ... | 15:14 |
| dbarth | kyleN: we should have only one in the end | 15:14 |
| alex-abreu | kyleN, no we will have 1 template from now on | 15:15 |
| alex-abreu | kyleN, for cordova devs in 3.x. the wokflow will be similar to what you can see in typical cordova project, no shared runtime | 15:15 |
| alex-abreu | and the whole roject is embedded | 15:15 |
| alex-abreu | so it'll be a plain qtc project | 15:15 |
| kyleN | right. but one qtc tempalte | 15:16 |
| alex-abreu | yes | 15:16 |
| dbarth | yes, that's what we'd like | 15:16 |
| dbarth | kyleN: for cordova developers, ie those making ios apps, or cross platform apps let's say | 15:16 |
| dbarth | kyleN: they will use the cordova-cli system | 15:16 |
| alex-abreu | kyleN, but it will apply less & less to cordova in the end | 15:16 |
| dbarth | kyleN: and so they won't be in qtc really | 15:16 |
| kyleN | aha | 15:17 |
| alex-abreu | daker, btw ... one thing that we postponed for 13.10 and that we will have to tackle, is the layouting etc. | 15:17 |
| dbarth | kyleN: they may use the cordova runtime container, everything specific and integrated, etc. | 15:17 |
| daker | alex-abreu: ya we need to see how to do it | 15:17 |
| dbarth | kyleN: but that's another story than the html5 story | 15:17 |
| alex-abreu | daker, trying to have somthing simple, but also helpful ... and more aligned w/ modern ways of doing it, ... I ghave something on the side, a few experiments using flexboes | 15:18 |
| alex-abreu | instead of the more restricted grid systems | 15:18 |
| dbarth | kyleN: the html5 story then becomes: a webview + ubuntu platform/sdk APIs, + cordova apis by default | 15:18 |
| alex-abreu | since we have the luxury of not being web dev | 15:18 |
| alex-abreu | but targetted platform devs | 15:18 |
| dbarth | ie, you get all of the apis in the same place | 15:18 |
| kyleN | dbarth, I am confused by this: " and so they won't be in qtc really" | 15:18 |
| kyleN | I understand cordova provides cli for project management build and etc | 15:18 |
| dbarth | kyleN: they will create their cordova-specific app via the CLI | 15:18 |
| daker | alex-abreu: we need to see if flexbox works in qtwebkit | 15:19 |
| dbarth | not via qtc and its templates & plugins | 15:19 |
| kyleN | I was hoping that QtC would be a front end for those functions | 15:19 |
| alex-abreu | daker, basing things on flexboces, & possibly having some runtime support from js, ... (or not since it might trigger quite a bit of reflow) | 15:19 |
| dbarth | kyleN: the way we imagine things now (and feedback is expected ;) | 15:19 |
| alex-abreu | daker, yes, they do to a certain extent, but for 14.04 we will ideally rarget oxide, which is blink | 15:19 |
| dbarth | kyleN: is to say | 15:19 |
| alex-abreu | daker, so they'll work | 15:19 |
| dbarth | kyleN: ubuntu html5 developers have 1 single template, all apis accessible, including the cordova runtime ones | 15:20 |
| kyleN | dbarth, so if we do not expect cordova app devs to use QtC, then how about click pagkes, run app on devices, and all the otehr QtC goodness? | 15:20 |
| daker | alex-abreu: btw does oxide works ? i mean just the rendering part | 15:20 |
| dbarth | kyleN: and cordova-oriented guys go with the cli instead | 15:20 |
| alex-abreu | daker, yes ... | 15:20 |
| dbarth | kyleN: that's all in the new cli system they have | 15:20 |
| dbarth | it even creates click packages now | 15:20 |
| kyleN | OK. in that case the changes to the QtC menus we talked about yesterday is: remove all cordova menus | 15:21 |
| dbarth | fyi i pinged msm to get the HG link | 15:21 |
| kyleN | It would be nice to be able to simply open a cordova www/ dir in QtC and let Qtc be the front end for the cordvoa cli stuff | 15:22 |
| daker | alex-abreu: i want to anticipate and test the UI components stating from now (what dbarth said on the other session) | 15:22 |
| daker | starting* | 15:22 |
| kyleN | dbarth, does the new cordova cli stuff support running the app on the device? | 15:23 |
| alex-abreu | daker, totally ... | 15:23 |
| alex-abreu | daker, we have something already ... but limited | 15:23 |
| daker | alex-abreu: ok | 15:24 |
| dbarth | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjfelvcnnk0hlhlft68oees?authuser=0&hl=en-GB | 15:24 |
| alex-abreu | daker, we agreed on trying to come up w/ something like some sort of instrumentation tools & e.g. fps etc. | 15:24 |
| daker | alex-abreu: perfect | 15:25 |
| daker | alex-abreu: there is no video player on the page | 15:27 |
| kyleN | daker - right | 15:27 |
| dbarth | daker: we're trying to sort out the HGoA issue | 15:30 |
| dbarth | you don't have video yet, but it should go live at some point | 15:30 |
| dbarth | and we'll catch up with you and folks here | 15:30 |
| bzoltan1 | WE ARE LIVE | 15:40 |
| dbarth | daker: ok, so we're live now | 15:42 |
| daker | dbarth: ya following | 15:42 |
| daker | kyleN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyW9HCT3avk | 15:44 |
| daker | dbarth: yep | 15:49 |
| daker | kyleN: +1 | 15:53 |
| bzoltan1 | guys I had to quit | 15:54 |
| dbarth | willdo the same soon | 15:54 |
| dbarth | have the OA session soon | 15:54 |
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