=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-hallway to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/hallway/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-hallway.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-hallway to: Track: Hallway | HTML5 template consolidation | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22123/html5-template-consolidation/ [15:01] hi [15:01] mhall119: hi [15:01] mhall119: can you send me the hg link? === alex-abreu|afk is now known as alex-abreu [15:02] dbarth: msm is going to run it [15:02] ah ok [15:03] hi [15:03] hi daker! [15:03] again i am following on IRC [15:03] nw [15:03] but youŕe welcome in the hg [15:04] ya i know no mic here :( [15:04] if you ask me a question look for the answer here [15:05] ok, sure [15:05] we may just all end up on irc [15:05] if we don't get the hg link [15:05] ;) [15:05] *that* is the hallway after all [15:05] I am here [15:05] where is the coffee [15:05] * dbarth sends a cup to bzoltan1 [15:06] thanks dbarth [15:06] bzoltan1, it is already late for you, you should be awake [15:06] :) LOL [15:07] alex-abreu: I was awake yesterday localtime 2am [15:07] ah ! :) that explains it [15:07] What is the link to the hangout? [15:08] we are waiting for it [15:08] daker, btw have you had time to review my small MRs yesterday (I am reviewing yours) ? [15:09] alex-abreu: not yet i will do it tonight [15:09] no worries [15:09] HTML5 just left ... what a sign [15:10] wat! [15:10] I have merged the html5 with the cordova templates in the QtC and pulled in the simple webapp template [15:11] bzoltan1, ?? ... I did this too yestefday ! [15:11] alex-abreu: today ... an hour or so ago [15:11] well,so we're all on the same page then [15:11] https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/facelift/+merge/195963 [15:11] yeah [15:11] it has landed on the QtC trunk [15:11] ah ok [15:12] but i'd like to confirm if we can just have 1 single hmtl5 template, not the tab and simple ones like in qml [15:12] I saw [15:12] bzoltan1, expect another MR [15:12] ie, keep it super simple to see where to start an html5 app [15:12] alex-abreu: ;) [15:12] ok mine does expand on this work ... [15:12] MR fight [15:12] good [15:12] alex-abreu: cool... just update your branch from the trunk [15:12] bzoltan1, yup [15:12] also the gaol is to have the single template also be used for cordova, yes? [15:12] conflict hell [15:13] * bzoltan1 likes the smell of conflicting MRs in the morning [15:13] kyleN: yes, cordova apis will be part of that single template [15:13] kyleN, yes until 3.x [15:13] ie, we're talking about the cordova APIs here only, not the new cli stuff that is cordova specific, and not the recommended way for ubuntu app developers [15:13] kyleN: makes snse? [15:14] alex-abreu, are you saying that with cordova 3.3 there will be a "regression" to two qtC Ubuntu HTML templates? [15:14] html left ... the situation is worse [15:14] now we ahve two tempaltes, one for html5, one for cordova [15:14] ;) [15:14] I think the plan is to move to one tempalte that supports both [15:14] kyleN, cordova 3.x. will follow the cordova model, ... [15:14] kyleN: we should have only one in the end [15:15] kyleN, no we will have 1 template from now on [15:15] kyleN, for cordova devs in 3.x. the wokflow will be similar to what you can see in typical cordova project, no shared runtime [15:15] and the whole roject is embedded [15:15] so it'll be a plain qtc project [15:16] right. but one qtc tempalte [15:16] yes [15:16] yes, that's what we'd like [15:16] kyleN: for cordova developers, ie those making ios apps, or cross platform apps let's say [15:16] kyleN: they will use the cordova-cli system [15:16] kyleN, but it will apply less & less to cordova in the end [15:16] kyleN: and so they won't be in qtc really [15:17] aha [15:17] daker, btw ... one thing that we postponed for 13.10 and that we will have to tackle, is the layouting etc. [15:17] kyleN: they may use the cordova runtime container, everything specific and integrated, etc. [15:17] alex-abreu: ya we need to see how to do it [15:17] kyleN: but that's another story than the html5 story [15:18] daker, trying to have somthing simple, but also helpful ... and more aligned w/ modern ways of doing it, ... I ghave something on the side, a few experiments using flexboes [15:18] instead of the more restricted grid systems [15:18] kyleN: the html5 story then becomes: a webview + ubuntu platform/sdk APIs, + cordova apis by default [15:18] since we have the luxury of not being web dev [15:18] but targetted platform devs [15:18] ie, you get all of the apis in the same place [15:18] dbarth, I am confused by this: " and so they won't be in qtc really" [15:18] I understand cordova provides cli for project management build and etc [15:18] kyleN: they will create their cordova-specific app via the CLI [15:19] alex-abreu: we need to see if flexbox works in qtwebkit [15:19] not via qtc and its templates & plugins [15:19] I was hoping that QtC would be a front end for those functions [15:19] daker, basing things on flexboces, & possibly having some runtime support from js, ... (or not since it might trigger quite a bit of reflow) [15:19] kyleN: the way we imagine things now (and feedback is expected ;) [15:19] daker, yes, they do to a certain extent, but for 14.04 we will ideally rarget oxide, which is blink [15:19] kyleN: is to say [15:19] daker, so they'll work [15:20] kyleN: ubuntu html5 developers have 1 single template, all apis accessible, including the cordova runtime ones [15:20] dbarth, so if we do not expect cordova app devs to use QtC, then how about click pagkes, run app on devices, and all the otehr QtC goodness? [15:20] alex-abreu: btw does oxide works ? i mean just the rendering part [15:20] kyleN: and cordova-oriented guys go with the cli instead [15:20] daker, yes ... [15:20] kyleN: that's all in the new cli system they have [15:20] it even creates click packages now [15:21] OK. in that case the changes to the QtC menus we talked about yesterday is: remove all cordova menus [15:21] fyi i pinged msm to get the HG link [15:22] It would be nice to be able to simply open a cordova www/ dir in QtC and let Qtc be the front end for the cordvoa cli stuff [15:22] alex-abreu: i want to anticipate and test the UI components stating from now (what dbarth said on the other session) [15:22] starting* [15:23] dbarth, does the new cordova cli stuff support running the app on the device? [15:23] daker, totally ... [15:23] daker, we have something already ... but limited [15:24] alex-abreu: ok [15:24] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjfelvcnnk0hlhlft68oees?authuser=0&hl=en-GB [15:24] daker, we agreed on trying to come up w/ something like some sort of instrumentation tools & e.g. fps etc. [15:25] alex-abreu: perfect [15:27] alex-abreu: there is no video player on the page [15:27] daker - right [15:30] daker: we're trying to sort out the HGoA issue [15:30] you don't have video yet, but it should go live at some point [15:30] and we'll catch up with you and folks here [15:40] WE ARE LIVE [15:42] daker: ok, so we're live now [15:42] dbarth: ya following [15:44] kyleN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyW9HCT3avk [15:49] dbarth: yep [15:53] kyleN: +1 [15:54] guys I had to quit [15:54] willdo the same soon [15:54] have the OA session soon === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-hallway to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/hallway/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-hallway.html === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha