[15:01] <dbarth> hi
[15:01] <dbarth> mhall119: hi
[15:01] <dbarth> mhall119: can you send me the hg link?
[15:02] <mhall119> dbarth: msm is going to run it
[15:02] <dbarth> ah ok
[15:03] <daker> hi
[15:03] <dbarth> hi daker!
[15:03] <daker> again i am following on IRC
[15:03] <dbarth> nw
[15:03] <dbarth> but youŕe welcome in the hg
[15:04] <daker> ya i know no mic here :(
[15:04] <daker> if you ask me a question look for the answer here
[15:05] <dbarth> ok, sure
[15:05] <dbarth> we may just all end up on irc
[15:05] <dbarth> if we don't get the hg link
[15:05] <dbarth> ;)
[15:05] <dbarth> *that* is the hallway after all
[15:05] <bzoltan1> I am here
[15:05] <bzoltan1> where is the coffee
[15:05]  * dbarth sends a cup to bzoltan1
[15:06] <bzoltan1> thanks dbarth
[15:06] <alex-abreu> bzoltan1, it is already late for you, you should be awake
[15:06] <bzoltan1> :) LOL
[15:07] <bzoltan1> alex-abreu: I was awake yesterday localtime 2am
[15:07] <alex-abreu> ah ! :) that explains it
[15:07] <bzoltan1> What is the link to the hangout?
[15:08] <alex-abreu> we are waiting for it
[15:08] <alex-abreu> daker, btw have you had time to review my small MRs yesterday (I am reviewing yours) ?
[15:09] <daker> alex-abreu: not yet i will do it tonight
[15:09] <alex-abreu> no worries
[15:09] <alex-abreu> HTML5 just left ... what a sign
[15:10] <daker> wat!
[15:10] <bzoltan1> I have merged the html5 with the cordova templates in the QtC and pulled in the simple webapp template
[15:11] <alex-abreu> bzoltan1, ?? ... I did this too yestefday !
[15:11] <bzoltan1> alex-abreu: today ... an hour or so ago
[15:11] <dbarth> well,so we're all on the same page then
[15:11] <bzoltan1> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/facelift/+merge/195963
[15:11] <alex-abreu> yeah
[15:11] <bzoltan1> it has landed on the QtC trunk
[15:11] <alex-abreu> ah ok
[15:12] <dbarth> but i'd like to confirm if we can just have 1 single hmtl5 template, not the tab and simple ones like in qml
[15:12] <alex-abreu> I saw
[15:12] <alex-abreu> bzoltan1, expect another MR
[15:12] <dbarth> ie, keep it super simple to see where to start an html5 app
[15:12] <dbarth> alex-abreu: ;)
[15:12] <alex-abreu> ok mine does expand on this work ...
[15:12] <dbarth> MR fight
[15:12] <alex-abreu> good
[15:12] <bzoltan1> alex-abreu: cool... just update your branch from the trunk
[15:12] <alex-abreu> bzoltan1, yup
[15:12] <kyleN> also the gaol is to have the single template also be used for cordova, yes?
[15:12] <alex-abreu> conflict hell
[15:13]  * bzoltan1 likes the smell of conflicting MRs in the morning
[15:13] <dbarth> kyleN: yes, cordova apis will be part of that single template
[15:13] <alex-abreu> kyleN, yes until 3.x
[15:13] <dbarth> ie, we're talking about the cordova APIs here only, not the new cli stuff that is cordova specific, and not the recommended way for ubuntu app developers
[15:13] <dbarth> kyleN: makes snse?
[15:14] <kyleN> alex-abreu, are you saying that with cordova 3.3 there will be a "regression" to two qtC Ubuntu HTML templates?
[15:14] <alex-abreu> html left ... the situation is worse
[15:14] <kyleN> now we ahve two tempaltes, one for html5, one for cordova
[15:14] <dbarth> ;)
[15:14] <kyleN> I think the plan is to move to one tempalte that supports both
[15:14] <alex-abreu> kyleN, cordova 3.x. will follow the cordova model, ...
[15:14] <dbarth> kyleN: we should have only one in the end
[15:15] <alex-abreu> kyleN, no we will have 1 template from now on
[15:15] <alex-abreu> kyleN, for cordova devs in 3.x. the wokflow will be similar to what you can see in typical cordova project, no shared runtime
[15:15] <alex-abreu> and the whole roject is embedded
[15:15] <alex-abreu> so it'll be a plain qtc project
[15:16] <kyleN> right. but one qtc tempalte
[15:16] <alex-abreu> yes
[15:16] <dbarth> yes, that's what we'd like
[15:16] <dbarth> kyleN: for cordova developers, ie those making ios apps, or cross platform apps let's say
[15:16] <dbarth> kyleN: they will use the cordova-cli system
[15:16] <alex-abreu> kyleN, but it will apply less & less to cordova in the end
[15:16] <dbarth> kyleN: and so they won't be in qtc really
[15:17] <kyleN> aha
[15:17] <alex-abreu> daker, btw ... one thing that we postponed for 13.10 and that we will have to tackle, is the layouting etc.
[15:17] <dbarth> kyleN: they may use the cordova runtime container, everything specific and integrated, etc.
[15:17] <daker> alex-abreu: ya we need to see how to do it
[15:17] <dbarth> kyleN: but that's another story than the html5 story
[15:18] <alex-abreu> daker, trying to have somthing simple, but also helpful ... and more aligned w/ modern ways of doing it, ... I ghave something on the side, a few experiments using flexboes
[15:18] <alex-abreu> instead of the more restricted grid systems
[15:18] <dbarth> kyleN: the html5 story then becomes: a webview + ubuntu platform/sdk APIs, + cordova apis by default
[15:18] <alex-abreu> since we have the luxury of not being web dev
[15:18] <alex-abreu> but targetted platform devs
[15:18] <dbarth> ie, you get all of the apis in the same place
[15:18] <kyleN> dbarth, I am confused by this: " and so they won't be in qtc really"
[15:18] <kyleN> I understand cordova provides cli for project management build and etc
[15:18] <dbarth> kyleN: they will create their cordova-specific app via the CLI
[15:19] <daker> alex-abreu: we need to see if flexbox works in qtwebkit
[15:19] <dbarth> not via qtc and its templates & plugins
[15:19] <kyleN> I was hoping that QtC would be a front end for those functions
[15:19] <alex-abreu> daker, basing things on flexboces, & possibly having some runtime support from js, ... (or not since it might trigger quite a bit of reflow)
[15:19] <dbarth> kyleN: the way we imagine things now (and feedback is expected ;)
[15:19] <alex-abreu> daker, yes, they do to a certain extent, but for 14.04 we will ideally rarget oxide, which is blink
[15:19] <dbarth> kyleN: is to say
[15:19] <alex-abreu> daker, so they'll work
[15:20] <dbarth> kyleN: ubuntu html5 developers have 1 single template, all apis accessible, including the cordova runtime ones
[15:20] <kyleN> dbarth, so if we do not expect cordova app devs to use QtC, then how about click pagkes, run app on devices, and all the otehr QtC goodness?
[15:20] <daker> alex-abreu: btw does oxide works ? i mean just the rendering part
[15:20] <dbarth> kyleN: and cordova-oriented guys go with the cli instead
[15:20] <alex-abreu> daker, yes ...
[15:20] <dbarth> kyleN: that's all in the new cli system they have
[15:20] <dbarth> it even creates click packages now
[15:21] <kyleN> OK. in that case the changes to the QtC menus we talked about yesterday is: remove all cordova menus
[15:21] <dbarth> fyi i pinged msm to get the HG link
[15:22] <kyleN> It would be nice to be able to simply open a cordova www/ dir in QtC and let Qtc be the front end for the cordvoa cli stuff
[15:22] <daker> alex-abreu: i want to anticipate and test the UI components stating from now (what dbarth said on the other session)
[15:22] <daker> starting*
[15:23] <kyleN> dbarth, does the new cordova cli stuff support running the app on the device?
[15:23] <alex-abreu> daker, totally ...
[15:23] <alex-abreu> daker, we have something already ... but limited
[15:24] <daker> alex-abreu: ok
[15:24] <dbarth> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjfelvcnnk0hlhlft68oees?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[15:24] <alex-abreu> daker, we agreed on trying to come up w/ something like some sort of instrumentation tools & e.g. fps etc.
[15:25] <daker> alex-abreu: perfect
[15:27] <daker> alex-abreu: there is no video player on the page
[15:27] <kyleN> daker - right
[15:30] <dbarth> daker: we're trying to sort out the HGoA issue
[15:30] <dbarth> you don't have video yet, but it should go live at some point
[15:30] <dbarth> and we'll catch up with you and folks here
[15:40] <bzoltan1> WE ARE LIVE
[15:42] <dbarth> daker: ok, so we're live now
[15:42] <daker> dbarth: ya following
[15:44] <daker> kyleN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyW9HCT3avk
[15:49] <daker> dbarth: yep
[15:53] <daker> kyleN: +1
[15:54] <bzoltan1> guys I had to quit
[15:54] <dbarth> willdo the same soon
[15:54] <dbarth> have the OA session soon