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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | cloud-images | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22042/servercloud-1311-cloud-images/ | ||
| gaughen | g+ hangout for this am's cloud images session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi2jdmj7a4hrm89geb7iqu4?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:02 |
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| gaughen | forget my link - use this https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi48usg5i1b4cva778qp6is?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:04 |
| smoser | we'll start in 2 minutes | 14:06 |
| smoser | Etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-cloud-images | 14:07 |
| smoser | ok. starting in 10 | 14:08 |
| jamespage | aaarrrgggg | 14:11 |
| jamespage | smoser, I'll do it from here | 14:11 |
| jamespage | smoser, I think we should make a opinioned tool choice for apt work | 14:12 |
| jamespage | apt-get: +1 from me | 14:12 |
| rbasak | Why is aptitude even in main? | 14:13 |
| jamespage | no idea | 14:13 |
| smoser | dependency of tasksel | 14:14 |
| smoser | dependency of aptitude | 14:14 |
| rbasak | Want GPT for ARM images, too. | 14:15 |
| smoser | gpt !explicitly== uefi | 14:17 |
| smoser | no plan for uefi here | 14:17 |
| rbasak | If we were to do UEFI, then GPT would be sensible. No point supporting UEFI+!GPT as yet another combination, given that we'll want GPT anyway. | 14:18 |
| rbasak | So for ARM images, I'd like GPT+UEFI from the start. | 14:18 |
| rbasak | (empty UEFI partition with external booting hack until the UEFI pieces are ready on ARM if required) | 14:19 |
| rbasak | Why do we need to _switch_? simplestreams could support both. | 14:20 |
| smoser | james openvswitch ? | 14:22 |
| smoser | https://gist.github.com/smoser/5364534 | 14:31 |
| smoser | anyone have thoughts or comments? | 14:35 |
| smoser | -root.tar.gz | 14:36 |
| zul | i like turtles | 14:36 |
| smoser | zul, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448412/ | 14:38 |
| jamespage | smoser, utlemming: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1253102 | 14:39 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 1253102 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please include intree openvswitch module in core kernel modules" [Undecided,New] | 14:39 |
| jamespage | if one of you would like to confirm | 14:39 |
| zul | smoser: lol | 14:39 |
| smoser | bah. | 14:44 |
| smoser | thing i forgot... | 14:44 |
| smoser | rbasak, disabling plymouth in cloud-images | 14:45 |
| smoser | bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/682831 | 14:45 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 682831 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "lost console output early in boot" [Medium,Fix released] | 14:45 |
| utlemming | smoser: can't we talk about that during the server seed discussion? | 14:45 |
| gaughen | g+ hangout for the next session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj52mjdo8vm55mj25lsgg6g?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:58 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Server Seeded Package review | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22046/servercloud-1311-seeded-package-review/ | ||
| gema | have you guys started the video? | 15:08 |
| rharper | gema: not yet, just a min | 15:08 |
| gema | rharper: ack | 15:09 |
| jamespage | just about to start | 15:09 |
| zul | bye bye backuppc | 15:10 |
| gaughen | gema it has started | 15:10 |
| * smoser would like to participate | 15:11 | |
| gema | gaughen: listening, was grabbing some coffee :) | 15:13 |
| gaughen | it's that time of day, gema, I was doing the same :-) | 15:13 |
| utlemming | no video yet? | 15:13 |
| rbasak | utlemming: video has been live for a while | 15:13 |
| gema | utlemming: it's there, you may want to reload | 15:14 |
| rbasak | I'm 4m20s in. | 15:14 |
| utlemming | ok, got it | 15:14 |
| smoser | jamespage, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-seeded-package-review | 15:14 |
| smoser | utlemming, you have experience with dm-cache? | 15:15 |
| utlemming | smoser: b-cache -- I've played with it | 15:16 |
| utlemming | smoser: ssd cache is the b-cache option | 15:16 |
| smoser | package ? | 15:16 |
| utlemming | smoser: ccache | 15:16 |
| smoser | ccache is compiler cache | 15:17 |
| smoser | :) | 15:17 |
| utlemming | oh whoop | 15:17 |
| utlemming | er, whoops | 15:17 |
| gaughen | :-) | 15:17 |
| sbeattie | openjdk has a high maintenance burden, though, we're already hitting this with openjdk-6 not being maintained. | 15:19 |
| gema | jamespage: I don't think dropping java from main is a good idea, but it is just a feeling | 15:19 |
| jamespage | sbeattie, what about openjdk-7? | 15:20 |
| sbeattie | how long will upstream support openjdk-7? | 15:20 |
| sbeattie | we're on the hook for maintaining for 5 years for 14.04 | 15:20 |
| smoser | snarky response from smoser: the linux kernel has a high maintenance burden. but it turns out lots of people use it. | 15:20 |
| sbeattie | smoser: and we have an entire team dealing with it | 15:21 |
| sbeattie | (well, not an entire team, but still) | 15:21 |
| zul | is eucalyptus still in main? | 15:22 |
| sbeattie | OTOH, is jenkins in main? | 15:23 |
| jamespage | sbeattie, volunteering for the 200 package review? | 15:25 |
| jamespage | :-) | 15:25 |
| sbeattie | nooooo | 15:25 |
| sbeattie | :) | 15:25 |
| zul | freeradius, ibmasm-utils, socat, uucp, vlock | 15:25 |
| gema | gaughen: LOL | 15:26 |
| caribou | ROTFL | 15:26 |
| sbeattie | well, and that jenkins in main would drive keeping openjdk | 15:27 |
| jamespage | indeed | 15:27 |
| gema | jamespage: but we are supporting jenkins for QA anyway, aren't we? | 15:27 |
| jamespage | gema: you get that from me independently | 15:27 |
| gema | jamespage: cool, I am happy then :D | 15:28 |
| rbasak | It's a bit hard to follow with the lag. zul: are these to remove from main? | 15:28 |
| rbasak | I like socat. It's handy in the occasional postinst. | 15:28 |
| zul | rbasak: yeah | 15:28 |
| rbasak | Though I thought it was in universe anyway? | 15:28 |
| zul | rbasak: no one is looking at freeradius imho | 15:29 |
| rbasak | I can understand that there might be security concerns with socat though | 15:29 |
| zul | and if you are still using uucp you should be shot | 15:29 |
| sbeattie | rbasak: I'd have to look, but I don't think it's been a security maintenance burden | 15:30 |
| rbasak | I should add that I've been asked to file an MIR for nginx so it can at least have a security re-review. It's on my TODO. | 15:31 |
| sbeattie | rbasak: I think the security team is more amenable to nginx now, given that a lot of the issues we had in the past for it have been addressed, but I obviously can't make any promises. | 15:32 |
| rbasak | s. | 15:32 |
| rbasak | sbeattie: understood. Thanks. | 15:32 |
| sbeattie | wrt one last point on openjdk, we kind of shot ourselves in the foot with openjdk-6 by diverging on moving to a version of icedtea that's different than what RHEL is supporting. | 15:34 |
| sbeattie | jamespage: ^ something we should possibly keep in mind WRT openjdk-7 and 14.04. | 15:34 |
| * sbeattie shuts up now | 15:35 | |
| jamespage | sbeattie, good points | 15:35 |
| zul | roaksoax: what about demoting rh-cluster-suite | 15:35 |
| roaksoax | zul: that's gone from the archive | 15:36 |
| zul | roaksoax: its still in the seed | 15:36 |
| roaksoax | zul: please update the seed then... it is no longer in saucy | 15:37 |
| zul | roaksoax: ack | 15:37 |
| gaughen | next topic: MAAS activities for 14.04 | 15:55 |
| gaughen | starts in ~10 minutes | 15:55 |
| gaughen | blueprint for maas session - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-maas | 15:59 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | MAAS activities for 14.04 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22045/servercloud-1311-maas/ | ||
| gaughen | g+ hangout for the maas session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjsjem784u2itsgth8v0bt8?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:05 |
| stokachu_vuds | yay | 16:15 |
| jamespage | QUESTION: any plans to review performance/scalability of MAAS storage (as used by Juju) | 16:17 |
| stokachu_vuds | so with maas + rabbitmq ha how do we handle installing maas with juju support to charm the rabbitmq bits to other nodes? | 16:21 |
| roaksoax | smoser: | 16:21 |
| smoser | roaksoax, ? | 16:22 |
| smoser | i'm in the secureboot session now. | 16:23 |
| roaksoax | smoser: ack! | 16:23 |
| smoser | i can drop if necessary though and switch. | 16:23 |
| stokachu_vuds | rabbitmq is installed on same server as maas | 16:23 |
| stokachu_vuds | but juju would use maas as the deployment | 16:23 |
| stokachu_vuds | ok that makes sense | 16:25 |
| stokachu_vuds | thanks | 16:25 |
| Azendale | I've tried setting up MaaS in LXC, is that what they are talking about? | 16:25 |
| gaughen | stokachu_vuds, do you want to join us - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjsjem784u2itsgth8v0bt8?authuser=0&hl=en ? | 16:25 |
| Azendale | I had some trouble with doing MaaS in LXC because it didn't have permission to mount stuff, which it needed to import the pxe files | 16:26 |
| caribou | Azendale: indeed, I've faced the same issue and even with adapting apparmor profile I could not use it | 16:28 |
| Azendale | caribou: I finally worked around it by turning apparmor all the way off, importing the images, and then re-enabling it | 16:29 |
| stokachu_vuds | Azendale:there is a profile option to enable cgroups to mount i believe | 16:30 |
| Tribaal | What was the original use case for that installer feature? | 16:30 |
| smoser | Azendale, yeah, thats a known-issue. i dont have a simple solution for it. :-( | 16:32 |
| Azendale | yes, both | 16:33 |
| smoser | other than downloading the same data twice. or libguestfs, which is not significantly better | 16:33 |
| caribou | stokachu_vuds: the default apparmor profile blocks loopmounting .iso files | 16:34 |
| stokachu_vuds | yea i had to add that | 16:34 |
| Azendale | Other than the import images, it appears to work fine for both the region controller and cluster controller | 16:34 |
| smoser | yeah, it generally should work fine in a container | 16:35 |
| smoser | other than that 'mount' that is done. | 16:35 |
| Azendale | caribou: See http://askubuntu.com/questions/376345/allow-loop-mounting-files-inside-lxc-containers, I have two lines in there that I added to the LXC conf file, and then once I got apparmor to allow it, I was able to import images. Maybe those two lines will help? | 16:36 |
| stokachu_vuds | Azendale:i have a blog post about it | 16:39 |
| stokachu_vuds | Azendale:http://astokes.org/running-maas-vagrant/ | 16:40 |
| stokachu_vuds | go down to bottom of post | 16:40 |
| stokachu_vuds | talks about configure apprmor rather than disabling it ocmpletely | 16:40 |
| Azendale | stokachu_vuds: Thanks! I'll give it a try | 16:41 |
| stokachu_vuds | Azendale:np! im stokachu on freenode if you have questions im usually in #maas | 16:41 |
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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju GUI Roadmap and Update | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ | ||
| arosales | Juju GUI Roadmap and Update starting soon | 17:58 |
| arosales | for folks interested in joining the session the Hangout URL is: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpiole5fjfnhp5squ2jasdh4?authuser=0&hl=en | 17:58 |
| arosales | Blueprint, notes, video information all at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ | 17:59 |
| arosales | repost for folks who just joined | 18:02 |
| arosales | for folks interested in joining the session the Hangout URL is: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpiole5fjfnhp5squ2jasdh4?authuser=0&hl=en | 18:02 |
| arosales | Blueprint, notes, video information all at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ | 18:02 |
| arosales | session is live | 18:03 |
| rick_h_ | go go gadget gui | 18:05 |
| jrwren | i just realized that I looked at 12.04 cloudimg instead of 13.10 looking for superfluous packages | 18:10 |
| jrwren | my list is: aptitude, os-prober, ppp, rsync, tcpd, usbutils, wirelesstools, wpasupplicant. | 18:11 |
| arosales | jrwren, sorry I may have lost your context | 18:12 |
| arosales | this session is in regards to the Juju GUI | 18:12 |
| jrwren | i think i'm in wrong channel, but this is the channel listed at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22042/servercloud-1311-cloud-images/ | 18:12 |
| arosales | jrwren, this is the correct channel but that session happened earlier today | 18:12 |
| jrwren | oh, wrong time on my calendard then. OOPS. | 18:13 |
| arosales | jrwren, suggest to ping in #ubuntu-server to follow up on that discussion. | 18:13 |
| jrwren | thanks, sorry for interruption | 18:13 |
| arosales | jrwren, no worries glad you could join us | 18:13 |
| arosales | folks in ubuntu-server would be good people to follow up with though | 18:13 |
| arosales | session has concluded | 18:20 |
| arosales | thanks gary_poster for taking us through that | 18:20 |
| gary_poster | absolutely | 18:20 |
| gary_poster | thank you | 18:20 |
| smoser | Azendale, i updated http://askubuntu.com/questions/376345/allow-loop-mounting-files-inside-lxc-containers | 18:57 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | A cornucopia of MySQL\; alternatives for 14.04 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22109/servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives/ | ||
| mdeslaur | o/ | 19:01 |
| jamespage | hey mdeslaur | 19:02 |
| stewart | hi all | 19:02 |
| jamespage | gaughen, are you up for starting the hangout for this session | 19:02 |
| jamespage | morning stewart | 19:02 |
| gaughen | yup, I'm on it jamespage | 19:02 |
| gaughen | getting it started now | 19:03 |
| * stewart ready and waiting for hangout url... | 19:03 | |
| gaughen | g+ hangout - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj20qd7ocgg05hkmqml9js4?authuser=0&hl=en | 19:04 |
| gaughen | jamespage, --^ | 19:04 |
| stewart | and it worked, amaze-balls! | 19:07 |
| ryeng | can someone give akhil-mohan access to the etherpad? | 19:08 |
| stewart | at some point I'll probably have birds singing in the background | 19:09 |
| rbasak | Has the stream started yet? | 19:09 |
| jamespage | akhil-mohan, you need to join the ~etherpad team I think | 19:09 |
| jamespage | rbasak, should start soon | 19:09 |
| stewart | yep, need to be in the etherpad team | 19:09 |
| stewart | (although that's not the actual name of it... ) | 19:09 |
| jamespage | akhil-mohan, would you like to introduce yourself? | 19:13 |
| rbasak | I've copied the previous notes into the current pad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives | 19:17 |
| mattgriffin | jamespage: is there a gobby doc .. oops i mean etherpad :) | 19:17 |
| mattgriffin | rbasak: thanks! | 19:17 |
| jamespage | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives | 19:17 |
| rbasak | re: main, see the pain points at the bottom of the pad | 19:18 |
| rbasak | Are these points relevant for consideration of what is in main? | 19:18 |
| jamespage | https://launchpad.net/~mysql-ubuntu | 19:20 |
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