=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/servercloud-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | cloud-images | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22042/servercloud-1311-cloud-images/ [14:02] g+ hangout for this am's cloud images session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi2jdmj7a4hrm89geb7iqu4?authuser=0&hl=en [14:04] forget my link - use this https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi48usg5i1b4cva778qp6is?authuser=0&hl=en [14:06] we'll start in 2 minutes [14:07] Etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-cloud-images [14:08] ok. starting in 10 [14:11] aaarrrgggg [14:11] smoser, I'll do it from here [14:12] smoser, I think we should make a opinioned tool choice for apt work [14:12] apt-get: +1 from me [14:13] Why is aptitude even in main? [14:13] no idea [14:14] dependency of tasksel [14:14] dependency of aptitude [14:15] Want GPT for ARM images, too. [14:17] gpt !explicitly== uefi [14:17] no plan for uefi here [14:18] If we were to do UEFI, then GPT would be sensible. No point supporting UEFI+!GPT as yet another combination, given that we'll want GPT anyway. [14:18] So for ARM images, I'd like GPT+UEFI from the start. [14:19] (empty UEFI partition with external booting hack until the UEFI pieces are ready on ARM if required) [14:20] Why do we need to _switch_? simplestreams could support both. [14:22] james openvswitch ? [14:31] https://gist.github.com/smoser/5364534 [14:35] anyone have thoughts or comments? [14:36] -root.tar.gz [14:36] i like turtles [14:38] zul, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6448412/ [14:39] smoser, utlemming: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1253102 [14:39] Launchpad bug 1253102 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please include intree openvswitch module in core kernel modules" [Undecided,New] [14:39] if one of you would like to confirm [14:39] smoser: lol [14:44] bah. [14:44] thing i forgot... [14:45] rbasak, disabling plymouth in cloud-images [14:45] bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/682831 [14:45] Launchpad bug 682831 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "lost console output early in boot" [Medium,Fix released] [14:45] smoser: can't we talk about that during the server seed discussion? [14:58] g+ hangout for the next session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj52mjdo8vm55mj25lsgg6g?authuser=0&hl=en === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Server Seeded Package review | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22046/servercloud-1311-seeded-package-review/ [15:08] have you guys started the video? [15:08] gema: not yet, just a min [15:09] rharper: ack [15:09] just about to start [15:10] bye bye backuppc [15:10] gema it has started [15:11] * smoser would like to participate [15:13] gaughen: listening, was grabbing some coffee :) [15:13] it's that time of day, gema, I was doing the same :-) [15:13] no video yet? [15:13] utlemming: video has been live for a while [15:14] utlemming: it's there, you may want to reload [15:14] I'm 4m20s in. [15:14] ok, got it [15:14] jamespage, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-seeded-package-review [15:15] utlemming, you have experience with dm-cache? [15:16] smoser: b-cache -- I've played with it [15:16] smoser: ssd cache is the b-cache option [15:16] package ? [15:16] smoser: ccache [15:17] ccache is compiler cache [15:17] :) [15:17] oh whoop [15:17] er, whoops [15:17] :-) [15:19] openjdk has a high maintenance burden, though, we're already hitting this with openjdk-6 not being maintained. [15:19] jamespage: I don't think dropping java from main is a good idea, but it is just a feeling [15:20] sbeattie, what about openjdk-7? [15:20] how long will upstream support openjdk-7? [15:20] we're on the hook for maintaining for 5 years for 14.04 [15:20] snarky response from smoser: the linux kernel has a high maintenance burden. but it turns out lots of people use it. [15:21] smoser: and we have an entire team dealing with it [15:21] (well, not an entire team, but still) [15:22] is eucalyptus still in main? [15:23] OTOH, is jenkins in main? [15:25] sbeattie, volunteering for the 200 package review? [15:25] :-) [15:25] nooooo [15:25] :) [15:25] freeradius, ibmasm-utils, socat, uucp, vlock [15:26] gaughen: LOL [15:26] ROTFL [15:27] well, and that jenkins in main would drive keeping openjdk [15:27] indeed [15:27] jamespage: but we are supporting jenkins for QA anyway, aren't we? [15:27] gema: you get that from me independently [15:28] jamespage: cool, I am happy then :D [15:28] It's a bit hard to follow with the lag. zul: are these to remove from main? [15:28] I like socat. It's handy in the occasional postinst. [15:28] rbasak: yeah [15:28] Though I thought it was in universe anyway? [15:29] rbasak: no one is looking at freeradius imho [15:29] I can understand that there might be security concerns with socat though [15:29] and if you are still using uucp you should be shot [15:30] rbasak: I'd have to look, but I don't think it's been a security maintenance burden [15:31] I should add that I've been asked to file an MIR for nginx so it can at least have a security re-review. It's on my TODO. [15:32] rbasak: I think the security team is more amenable to nginx now, given that a lot of the issues we had in the past for it have been addressed, but I obviously can't make any promises. [15:32] s. [15:32] sbeattie: understood. Thanks. [15:34] wrt one last point on openjdk, we kind of shot ourselves in the foot with openjdk-6 by diverging on moving to a version of icedtea that's different than what RHEL is supporting. [15:34] jamespage: ^ something we should possibly keep in mind WRT openjdk-7 and 14.04. [15:35] * sbeattie shuts up now [15:35] sbeattie, good points [15:35] roaksoax: what about demoting rh-cluster-suite [15:36] zul: that's gone from the archive [15:36] roaksoax: its still in the seed [15:37] zul: please update the seed then... it is no longer in saucy [15:37] roaksoax: ack [15:55] next topic: MAAS activities for 14.04 [15:55] starts in ~10 minutes [15:59] blueprint for maas session - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-maas === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | MAAS activities for 14.04 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22045/servercloud-1311-maas/ [16:05] g+ hangout for the maas session - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjsjem784u2itsgth8v0bt8?authuser=0&hl=en [16:15] yay [16:17] QUESTION: any plans to review performance/scalability of MAAS storage (as used by Juju) [16:21] so with maas + rabbitmq ha how do we handle installing maas with juju support to charm the rabbitmq bits to other nodes? [16:21] smoser: [16:22] roaksoax, ? [16:23] i'm in the secureboot session now. [16:23] smoser: ack! [16:23] i can drop if necessary though and switch. [16:23] rabbitmq is installed on same server as maas [16:23] but juju would use maas as the deployment [16:25] ok that makes sense [16:25] thanks [16:25] I've tried setting up MaaS in LXC, is that what they are talking about? [16:25] stokachu_vuds, do you want to join us - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjsjem784u2itsgth8v0bt8?authuser=0&hl=en ? [16:26] I had some trouble with doing MaaS in LXC because it didn't have permission to mount stuff, which it needed to import the pxe files [16:28] Azendale: indeed, I've faced the same issue and even with adapting apparmor profile I could not use it [16:29] caribou: I finally worked around it by turning apparmor all the way off, importing the images, and then re-enabling it [16:30] Azendale:there is a profile option to enable cgroups to mount i believe [16:30] What was the original use case for that installer feature? [16:32] Azendale, yeah, thats a known-issue. i dont have a simple solution for it. :-( [16:33] yes, both [16:33] other than downloading the same data twice. or libguestfs, which is not significantly better [16:34] stokachu_vuds: the default apparmor profile blocks loopmounting .iso files [16:34] yea i had to add that [16:34] Other than the import images, it appears to work fine for both the region controller and cluster controller [16:35] yeah, it generally should work fine in a container [16:35] other than that 'mount' that is done. [16:36] caribou: See http://askubuntu.com/questions/376345/allow-loop-mounting-files-inside-lxc-containers, I have two lines in there that I added to the LXC conf file, and then once I got apparmor to allow it, I was able to import images. Maybe those two lines will help? [16:39] Azendale:i have a blog post about it [16:40] Azendale:http://astokes.org/running-maas-vagrant/ [16:40] go down to bottom of post [16:40] talks about configure apprmor rather than disabling it ocmpletely [16:41] stokachu_vuds: Thanks! I'll give it a try [16:41] Azendale:np! im stokachu on freenode if you have questions im usually in #maas === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/servercloud-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2.html === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | Juju GUI Roadmap and Update | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ [17:58] Juju GUI Roadmap and Update starting soon [17:58] for folks interested in joining the session the Hangout URL is: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpiole5fjfnhp5squ2jasdh4?authuser=0&hl=en [17:59] Blueprint, notes, video information all at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ [18:02] repost for folks who just joined [18:02] for folks interested in joining the session the Hangout URL is: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpiole5fjfnhp5squ2jasdh4?authuser=0&hl=en [18:02] Blueprint, notes, video information all at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22001/juju-gui-roadmap-and-update/ [18:03] session is live [18:05] go go gadget gui [18:10] i just realized that I looked at 12.04 cloudimg instead of 13.10 looking for superfluous packages [18:11] my list is: aptitude, os-prober, ppp, rsync, tcpd, usbutils, wirelesstools, wpasupplicant. [18:12] jrwren, sorry I may have lost your context [18:12] this session is in regards to the Juju GUI [18:12] i think i'm in wrong channel, but this is the channel listed at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22042/servercloud-1311-cloud-images/ [18:12] jrwren, this is the correct channel but that session happened earlier today [18:13] oh, wrong time on my calendard then. OOPS. [18:13] jrwren, suggest to ping in #ubuntu-server to follow up on that discussion. [18:13] thanks, sorry for interruption [18:13] jrwren, no worries glad you could join us [18:13] folks in ubuntu-server would be good people to follow up with though [18:20] session has concluded [18:20] thanks gary_poster for taking us through that [18:20] absolutely [18:20] thank you [18:57] Azendale, i updated http://askubuntu.com/questions/376345/allow-loop-mounting-files-inside-lxc-containers === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Track: Cloud & Server | A cornucopia of MySQL\; alternatives for 14.04 | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22109/servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives/ [19:01] o/ [19:02] hey mdeslaur [19:02] hi all [19:02] gaughen, are you up for starting the hangout for this session [19:02] morning stewart [19:02] yup, I'm on it jamespage [19:03] getting it started now [19:03] * stewart ready and waiting for hangout url... [19:04] g+ hangout - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpj20qd7ocgg05hkmqml9js4?authuser=0&hl=en [19:04] jamespage, --^ [19:07] and it worked, amaze-balls! [19:08] can someone give akhil-mohan access to the etherpad? [19:09] at some point I'll probably have birds singing in the background [19:09] Has the stream started yet? [19:09] akhil-mohan, you need to join the ~etherpad team I think [19:09] rbasak, should start soon [19:09] yep, need to be in the etherpad team [19:09] (although that's not the actual name of it... ) [19:13] akhil-mohan, would you like to introduce yourself? [19:17] I've copied the previous notes into the current pad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives [19:17] jamespage: is there a gobby doc .. oops i mean etherpad :) [19:17] rbasak: thanks! [19:17] http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-mysql-alternatives [19:18] re: main, see the pain points at the bottom of the pad [19:18] Are these points relevant for consideration of what is in main? [19:20] https://launchpad.net/~mysql-ubuntu === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/servercloud-2/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/20/%23ubuntu-uds-servercloud-2.html