[01:08] <rick_h_> evening
[01:56] <cmaloney> Evening
[02:03] <cmaloney> jcastro: http://toxicholocaust.bandcamp.com/
[02:06] <cmaloney> jcastro: http://skeletonwitch.bandcamp.com/
[02:17] <widox> rick_h_: https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2013/11/australis-is-landing-in-firefox-nightly/
[02:18] <rick_h_> widox: yep
[02:18] <rick_h_> widox: doing a G+ post now
[02:20] <widox> I've got Aurora v26.0a2 on here
[02:20] <widox> to many channels for browswer versions for me to keep track of
[02:20] <widox> gesh
[02:21] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/7dGcpVYGNn2
[02:21] <rick_h_> I run stable and nightly firefox and chrome dev
[02:24] <rick_h_> widox: will have to up the icon size to fit in the bar now :)
[02:27] <jrwren> australis?
[02:27] <jrwren> aurora here too.
[02:28] <rick_h_> that's the name of the new UI theme
[02:28] <widox> rick_h_: heh, yeah could be a bit larger
[03:07] <cmaloney> Oh nice. it's time Firefox became Chrome. ;)
[03:08] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :)
[03:10] <cmaloney> Oh, also got the new Hangouts on my phone
[03:10] <rick_h_> yea, same here. Trying it out to replace texts with the wife
[03:10] <rick_h_> since I can do both texts and MMS on it
[03:17] <rick_h_> ah crap! Every time I update the extension it gets reset in the review queue
[03:17] <rick_h_> it's back to 115/115. It'll never get reviewed now
[03:17] <rick_h_> We'll have to let it sit for 4weeks and not update it at all
[03:17] <cmaloney> That's not helpful
[03:18] <rick_h_> no, very uncool
[03:31] <rick_h_> well $#@$@# that didn't work. Looked like the other icons get 18px of space, but when I use a 18px icon it's truncated off
[07:05] <greg-g> you all would appreciate this: Our lead architect was tasked with an annoying redirect issue (protocol relative stupidness), so to fix it, he decided to rewrite how rewrites are done completely, in a DSL that he's parsing into apache mod_rewrite rules: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/96438/
[07:05] <greg-g> ie: instead of fixing the one or two lines in the current rewrite rules, make a DSL and associated parser
[07:06] <greg-g> heh
[12:33] <rick_h_> just another fun day in cyber-land http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6447922/
[12:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: that is...crazy
[12:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: and should be submitted upstream if it works well. No one likes to write those damn rules
[13:29] <cmaloney> I feel like such a punter. I just bought a book on Apache mod_rewrite.
[13:32] <brousch> What is this, 2012? Everyone is using nginx now
[13:44] <brousch> cmaloney: Do you have anything to add to this list?
[13:44] <brousch> http://list.ly/list/BGs-free-music-for-your-video-projects
[14:05] <brousch> rick_h_: I might need a room for pycon, but I will hopefully have to be there for the 9th and 10th
[14:06] <rick_h_> brousch: ah, doing tutorials?
[14:07] <brousch> I submitted one
[14:07] <rick_h_> ah, that's right, sweet
[14:07] <brousch> The thing is, I'm not sure if I want to go if it's rejected. It's pretty expensive
[14:08] <rick_h_> well, not that bad. It's $300 I think for the conference 3 days. The sprints are free other htan the hotel night/food
[14:08] <brousch> Also I've never been away from my family for that long
[14:08] <rick_h_> I guess my wife and I compare notes and her conferences are a LOT more expensive
[14:09] <rick_h_> well, I'd still say it'd be cool to go, at least for the conference and a day or two of sprints
[14:09] <cmaloney> brousch: I get most of my stuff from Bandcamp
[14:09] <rick_h_> it's a bit boost ime
[14:09] <cmaloney> but they don't have a nice way to search for CC music
[14:10] <cmaloney> Archive.org ostensibly
[15:00] <jrwren> greg-g: I like the DSL mod-rewrite, the checking alone is worth it IMO
[15:13] <jrwren> an entire book on mod_rewrite is fucking nuts.
[15:13] <jrwren> link me to TOC please.
[15:19] <jrwren> http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-Apache-mod_rewrite-Guides/dp/1590595610  at least it is only 160 pages
[15:34] <waf> boo, no chc for me tonight
[15:34] <waf> really curious how that new place will work out
[15:34] <rick_h_> waf: booooooooo
[16:22] <cmaloney> I <3 when my computer decides to go offline
[16:23] <rick_h_> no net for you
[16:23] <cmaloney> Well, when JoDee prints it sometimes triggers the UPS
[16:23] <cmaloney> which then triggers my machine to suspend
[16:23] <rick_h_> printer on the UPS?!
[16:23] <cmaloney> which is a royal PITA
[16:24] <cmaloney> No, same circuit
[16:24] <rick_h_> oh ouch
[16:24] <cmaloney> Yeah, because this house is from the golden age of electricity
[16:25] <cmaloney> When people were busily sitting in circles trying to shock each other and electricity was going to change the world.
[16:25] <brousch> You can tell it's old because there is a printer in it
[16:31] <waf> brousch++
[16:31] <cmaloney> brousch: :-P
[16:33] <brousch> I bet there's even a landline and a fax machine
[16:34] <cmaloney> It's a multifunction
[16:34] <brousch> I knew it
[16:51] <greg-g> rick_h_: oo, interesting re upstreaming
[16:51] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, agreed
[17:44] <rick_h_> http://developer.chrome.com/devsummit
[18:18] <jrwren> gah! I fail at UTC. i missed all the UDS things I wanted to see today.
[18:18] <jrwren> fuk calendars
[18:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: :(
[18:20] <rick_h_> but you caught the best one ever, the Gui stuff :P
[18:22] <greg-g> haha
[18:22] <jrwren> only for 2 seconds.
[18:22] <jrwren> i have zero interest in that.
[18:22] <jrwren> GUIs are for poeple who can't use a command line :p
[18:22] <jrwren> oh, and they are nice for graphs and reports
[18:23] <brousch> And phones
[18:23] <jrwren> yes phones!
[18:23] <jrwren> and tablets.
[18:23] <jrwren> i don't think I need to admin my cloud deployments from my phone or tab, but rick_h_ can prove me wrong
[18:24] <rick_h_> no, it doesn't work on the phone or tablet :P
[18:24] <brousch> jrwren: Soon
[18:24] <jrwren> it just runs in browser, I thought. why not in ipad?
[18:24] <rick_h_> hey, quickstart is cli :P
[18:24] <rick_h_> we're juju UI team so we're doing some cli improvement stuff as well
[18:24] <jrwren> cool
[18:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: because the UI isn't very touch friendly or size friendly to small screen
[18:26] <jrwren> omg, someone on this recording has some loud KB switches.
[18:26] <brousch> Those are the only screens that matter now!
[18:26] <jrwren> ^^^
[18:27] <rick_h_> yea, except funny thing, sysadmins aren't ditching their computers
[18:27] <rick_h_> devs aren't really either
[18:27] <rick_h_> something about keyboard and non-touch input device being useful for development and such
[18:28] <brousch> Soon we'll all be dragging and dropping our way across development
[18:29] <jrwren> exactly
[18:29] <jrwren> i mean exactly to what rick_h_ said, not to the VB nonsense brousch said.
[18:29] <rick_h_> yea, I think I've been hearing that for 20 years. "Drag and drop the user experience, and things will automagically wire themselves up"
[18:29] <rick_h_> "See, it works great for my simple todo app...what you're not writing a todo app?"
[18:30] <brousch> Isn't that how Visual Studio works?
[18:33] <brousch> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/10/30/microsoft-updates-windows-phone-app-studio-fast-resume-flipview-nfc-native-phone-functions-ad-sdk/
[18:33] <brousch> "Microsoft today updated the Windows Phone App Studio, its free Web-based tool designed to help anyone create an app without coding."
[18:34] <cmaloney> That is Microsoft's white whale isn't it?
[18:35] <brousch> Also http://appinventor.mit.edu/
[18:38] <rick_h_> brousch: sorry, remind me what app you use daily that's done in appinventor?
[18:38] <brousch> Soon!
[18:38] <cmaloney> Doesn't he use the little button app that goes "ping!"
[18:39] <cmaloney> every single day.
[18:39] <cmaloney> I hate that app
[18:39] <brousch> I don't know that app
[18:39] <cmaloney> Well there you go: write an app that goes "ping" when you hit a button
[18:39] <cmaloney> and use that daily
[18:39] <cmaloney> and then I can hate you.
[18:39] <brousch> Ah, monty python
[18:39] <cmaloney> It's really simple, really.
[18:40] <brousch> I will make it with Kivy so it will be a 6MB app that goes ping
[18:40] <cmaloney> Now you're just showing off
[18:43] <rick_h_> lmao http://r.bmark.us/u/e0d0cd294a49ac
[18:43] <brousch> cmaloney: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ma.android.ping
[18:44] <cmaloney> OK, that's just laden with awesome.
[18:44] <cmaloney> (was re: rick_h_'s comment)
[18:44] <cmaloney> brousch: You're missing the point
[18:44] <cmaloney> It needs to be something in app inventor that you use daily. :)
[18:44] <brousch> "The app now goes ping in a much more efficient manner. Also we added a "Ping Widget", which also goes ping.Some of our users claim that this app is useless. We beg to differ, it goes ping."
[18:44] <cmaloney> That's the whooooole point.
[18:45] <jrwren> ya'll are trashing UI designers, but iOS storyboards are actually VERY VERY good.
[18:46] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'ma let you finish but Android's the platform of the year.
[18:46] <brousch> 80% now
[18:46] <brousch> ios is a niche
[18:46]  * rick_h_ runs away from the insanity
[18:47] <cmaloney> 1heh
[18:47] <jrwren> cmaloney: terrible troll there. you can do so much better.
[18:49] <brousch> jrwren: I saw a presentation on storyboards. They did look nice
[19:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: I know, but it felt right. ;)
[19:53] <waf> rick_h_: haha, i was just wondering about that twitter app / sms permission thing
[19:54] <waf> any idea what's going on?
[19:54] <waf> also, dropbox wanting to read my contacts is iffy
[19:57] <cmaloney> I have NFC what the Twitter SMS thing is
[19:57] <cmaloney> other than I wonder if they'll send via SMS if you have crap connectivity.
[19:57] <rick_h_> waf: https://twitter.com/alsutton/status/389988175592296448 is maybe a hint?
[20:03] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/after-15-years-of-llama-whipping-aol-shuts-down-winamp-for-good/
[20:03] <cmaloney> Wow, today is just full of great news.
[20:03]  * cmaloney actually bought it for Android
[20:14] <cmaloney> http://onethingwell.org/post/67571145705/god
[20:14] <cmaloney> I'm so writing a chaos monkey for "God" and calling it "blasphemy"
[20:41] <jcastro> wow seriously
[20:41] <jcastro> kitkat on the motox before nexus?
[20:41]  * jcastro shakes rick_h_
[20:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: meh, you're not missing anything
[20:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: but yea, shocked my N10 still doesn't have it
[20:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: but I did see it going out for the N4 today I thouoght
[20:44] <jcastro> yeah but OTA, so staggered
[20:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: gotcha
[20:45] <jcastro> also I saw the motox story before I scrolled down to the N4 one
[20:45] <rick_h_> yea, I mean I got the phone dailer and some blue/grey icons and that's about it
[20:45] <rick_h_> so much of the UX bits are N5 only
[20:45] <jcastro> what's the dialer supposed to be?
[20:45] <jcastro> I really wanted the merged hangout stuff
[20:45] <rick_h_> it's all based on searches and such now
[20:45] <rick_h_> well that's in the hangout app, I got that before the kitkat update
[20:45] <rick_h_> and it sucks because it doesn't work with Voice at all
[20:46] <rick_h_> so I still have two text apps
[20:46] <jcastro> oh dude
[20:46] <jcastro> I thought it was all supposed to be merged into one?
[20:46] <jcastro> weak
[20:46] <rick_h_> only your phone's built in SMS app is built in
[20:46] <rick_h_> voice is still outside of that and all data-only
[20:46] <rick_h_> so it's really just a replacement for SMS messages and doesn't do them over data or anything
[20:46] <rick_h_> it's crap imo
[20:57] <jrwren> guess when iOS users get their updates?
[20:57] <jrwren> all at the same time.
[21:10] <rick_h_> yep, and pick your phone, any phone, as long as it's one of these phones
[21:11] <rick_h_> <3 my motox and ability to get that vs lots of other phones
[21:12] <rick_h_> freaking wow http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Scroogled-Keep-Calm-Mug/productID.291428700
[21:12] <rick_h_> I'm completely knocked over at that
[21:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, apparently Microsoft's new venture is Cafe Press. ;)
[23:59] <greg-g> I'm just done trying to teach this coworker where they are misunderstood as they clearly don't care to learn