[01:08] evening [01:56] Evening [02:03] jcastro: http://toxicholocaust.bandcamp.com/ [02:06] jcastro: http://skeletonwitch.bandcamp.com/ [02:17] rick_h_: https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2013/11/australis-is-landing-in-firefox-nightly/ [02:18] widox: yep [02:18] widox: doing a G+ post now [02:20] I've got Aurora v26.0a2 on here [02:20] to many channels for browswer versions for me to keep track of [02:20] gesh [02:21] https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/7dGcpVYGNn2 [02:21] I run stable and nightly firefox and chrome dev [02:24] widox: will have to up the icon size to fit in the bar now :) [02:27] australis? [02:27] aurora here too. [02:28] that's the name of the new UI theme [02:28] rick_h_: heh, yeah could be a bit larger [03:07] Oh nice. it's time Firefox became Chrome. ;) [03:08] cmaloney: :) [03:10] Oh, also got the new Hangouts on my phone [03:10] yea, same here. Trying it out to replace texts with the wife [03:10] since I can do both texts and MMS on it [03:17] ah crap! Every time I update the extension it gets reset in the review queue [03:17] it's back to 115/115. It'll never get reviewed now [03:17] We'll have to let it sit for 4weeks and not update it at all [03:17] That's not helpful [03:18] no, very uncool [03:31] well $#@$@# that didn't work. Looked like the other icons get 18px of space, but when I use a 18px icon it's truncated off [07:05] you all would appreciate this: Our lead architect was tasked with an annoying redirect issue (protocol relative stupidness), so to fix it, he decided to rewrite how rewrites are done completely, in a DSL that he's parsing into apache mod_rewrite rules: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/96438/ [07:05] ie: instead of fixing the one or two lines in the current rewrite rules, make a DSL and associated parser [07:06] heh [12:33] just another fun day in cyber-land http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6447922/ [12:33] greg-g: that is...crazy [12:33] greg-g: and should be submitted upstream if it works well. No one likes to write those damn rules [13:29] I feel like such a punter. I just bought a book on Apache mod_rewrite. [13:32] What is this, 2012? Everyone is using nginx now [13:44] cmaloney: Do you have anything to add to this list? [13:44] http://list.ly/list/BGs-free-music-for-your-video-projects [14:05] rick_h_: I might need a room for pycon, but I will hopefully have to be there for the 9th and 10th [14:06] brousch: ah, doing tutorials? [14:07] I submitted one [14:07] ah, that's right, sweet [14:07] The thing is, I'm not sure if I want to go if it's rejected. It's pretty expensive [14:08] well, not that bad. It's $300 I think for the conference 3 days. The sprints are free other htan the hotel night/food [14:08] Also I've never been away from my family for that long [14:08] I guess my wife and I compare notes and her conferences are a LOT more expensive [14:09] well, I'd still say it'd be cool to go, at least for the conference and a day or two of sprints [14:09] brousch: I get most of my stuff from Bandcamp [14:09] it's a bit boost ime [14:09] but they don't have a nice way to search for CC music [14:10] Archive.org ostensibly [15:00] greg-g: I like the DSL mod-rewrite, the checking alone is worth it IMO [15:13] an entire book on mod_rewrite is fucking nuts. [15:13] link me to TOC please. [15:19] http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-Apache-mod_rewrite-Guides/dp/1590595610 at least it is only 160 pages [15:34] boo, no chc for me tonight [15:34] really curious how that new place will work out [15:34] waf: booooooooo [16:22] I <3 when my computer decides to go offline [16:23] no net for you [16:23] Well, when JoDee prints it sometimes triggers the UPS [16:23] which then triggers my machine to suspend [16:23] printer on the UPS?! [16:23] which is a royal PITA [16:24] No, same circuit [16:24] oh ouch [16:24] Yeah, because this house is from the golden age of electricity [16:25] When people were busily sitting in circles trying to shock each other and electricity was going to change the world. [16:25] You can tell it's old because there is a printer in it [16:31] brousch++ [16:31] brousch: :-P [16:33] I bet there's even a landline and a fax machine [16:34] It's a multifunction [16:34] I knew it [16:51] rick_h_: oo, interesting re upstreaming [16:51] jrwren: yeah, agreed [17:44] http://developer.chrome.com/devsummit [18:18] gah! I fail at UTC. i missed all the UDS things I wanted to see today. [18:18] fuk calendars [18:20] jrwren: :( [18:20] but you caught the best one ever, the Gui stuff :P [18:22] haha [18:22] only for 2 seconds. [18:22] i have zero interest in that. [18:22] GUIs are for poeple who can't use a command line :p [18:22] oh, and they are nice for graphs and reports [18:23] And phones [18:23] yes phones! [18:23] and tablets. [18:23] i don't think I need to admin my cloud deployments from my phone or tab, but rick_h_ can prove me wrong [18:24] no, it doesn't work on the phone or tablet :P [18:24] jrwren: Soon [18:24] it just runs in browser, I thought. why not in ipad? [18:24] hey, quickstart is cli :P [18:24] we're juju UI team so we're doing some cli improvement stuff as well [18:24] cool [18:24] jrwren: because the UI isn't very touch friendly or size friendly to small screen [18:26] omg, someone on this recording has some loud KB switches. [18:26] Those are the only screens that matter now! [18:26] ^^^ [18:27] yea, except funny thing, sysadmins aren't ditching their computers [18:27] devs aren't really either [18:27] something about keyboard and non-touch input device being useful for development and such [18:28] Soon we'll all be dragging and dropping our way across development [18:29] exactly [18:29] i mean exactly to what rick_h_ said, not to the VB nonsense brousch said. [18:29] yea, I think I've been hearing that for 20 years. "Drag and drop the user experience, and things will automagically wire themselves up" [18:29] "See, it works great for my simple todo app...what you're not writing a todo app?" [18:30] Isn't that how Visual Studio works? [18:33] http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/10/30/microsoft-updates-windows-phone-app-studio-fast-resume-flipview-nfc-native-phone-functions-ad-sdk/ [18:33] "Microsoft today updated the Windows Phone App Studio, its free Web-based tool designed to help anyone create an app without coding." [18:34] That is Microsoft's white whale isn't it? [18:35] Also http://appinventor.mit.edu/ [18:38] brousch: sorry, remind me what app you use daily that's done in appinventor? [18:38] Soon! [18:38] Doesn't he use the little button app that goes "ping!" [18:39] every single day. [18:39] I hate that app [18:39] I don't know that app [18:39] Well there you go: write an app that goes "ping" when you hit a button [18:39] and use that daily [18:39] and then I can hate you. [18:39] Ah, monty python [18:39] It's really simple, really. [18:40] I will make it with Kivy so it will be a 6MB app that goes ping [18:40] Now you're just showing off [18:43] lmao http://r.bmark.us/u/e0d0cd294a49ac [18:43] cmaloney: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ma.android.ping [18:44] OK, that's just laden with awesome. [18:44] (was re: rick_h_'s comment) [18:44] brousch: You're missing the point [18:44] It needs to be something in app inventor that you use daily. :) [18:44] "The app now goes ping in a much more efficient manner. Also we added a "Ping Widget", which also goes ping.Some of our users claim that this app is useless. We beg to differ, it goes ping." [18:44] That's the whooooole point. [18:45] ya'll are trashing UI designers, but iOS storyboards are actually VERY VERY good. [18:46] jrwren: I'ma let you finish but Android's the platform of the year. [18:46] 80% now [18:46] ios is a niche [18:46] * rick_h_ runs away from the insanity [18:47] 1heh [18:47] cmaloney: terrible troll there. you can do so much better. [18:49] jrwren: I saw a presentation on storyboards. They did look nice [19:08] jrwren: I know, but it felt right. ;) [19:53] rick_h_: haha, i was just wondering about that twitter app / sms permission thing [19:54] any idea what's going on? [19:54] also, dropbox wanting to read my contacts is iffy [19:57] I have NFC what the Twitter SMS thing is [19:57] other than I wonder if they'll send via SMS if you have crap connectivity. [19:57] waf: https://twitter.com/alsutton/status/389988175592296448 is maybe a hint? [20:03] http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/after-15-years-of-llama-whipping-aol-shuts-down-winamp-for-good/ [20:03] Wow, today is just full of great news. [20:03] * cmaloney actually bought it for Android [20:14] http://onethingwell.org/post/67571145705/god [20:14] I'm so writing a chaos monkey for "God" and calling it "blasphemy" [20:41] wow seriously [20:41] kitkat on the motox before nexus? [20:41] * jcastro shakes rick_h_ [20:44] jcastro: meh, you're not missing anything [20:44] jcastro: but yea, shocked my N10 still doesn't have it [20:44] jcastro: but I did see it going out for the N4 today I thouoght [20:44] yeah but OTA, so staggered [20:44] jcastro: gotcha [20:45] also I saw the motox story before I scrolled down to the N4 one [20:45] yea, I mean I got the phone dailer and some blue/grey icons and that's about it [20:45] so much of the UX bits are N5 only [20:45] what's the dialer supposed to be? [20:45] I really wanted the merged hangout stuff [20:45] it's all based on searches and such now [20:45] well that's in the hangout app, I got that before the kitkat update [20:45] and it sucks because it doesn't work with Voice at all [20:46] so I still have two text apps [20:46] oh dude [20:46] I thought it was all supposed to be merged into one? [20:46] weak [20:46] only your phone's built in SMS app is built in [20:46] voice is still outside of that and all data-only [20:46] so it's really just a replacement for SMS messages and doesn't do them over data or anything [20:46] it's crap imo [20:57] guess when iOS users get their updates? [20:57] all at the same time. [21:10] yep, and pick your phone, any phone, as long as it's one of these phones [21:11] <3 my motox and ability to get that vs lots of other phones [21:12] freaking wow http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Scroogled-Keep-Calm-Mug/productID.291428700 [21:12] I'm completely knocked over at that [21:15] Yeah, apparently Microsoft's new venture is Cafe Press. ;) [23:59] I'm just done trying to teach this coworker where they are misunderstood as they clearly don't care to learn