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ali1234and just use a normal window to show the pixmap before that00:00
ali1234that might be easier than trying to track all the pixbuf allocations00:00
ochosiyeah00:00
ochosithat sounds like a good solution00:01
ochosithat'd also make your fading solution work00:01
ali1234so the big question is does it matter if there's a root pixmap or not?00:01
ochosiwell it kinda does for xfwm400:02
ali1234yeah, eventually it does00:02
ochosithat's what brainwash was complaining about all the time00:02
ali1234i mean does it matter between the first and second set_background() calls...00:02
ochosiright, probably not00:02
ochosionly when the greeter exits would be my guess00:02
ali1234so then we can fix the flicker by just moving when it sets the background00:03
ochosiyeah, probably00:03
ali1234i just pushed another commit which does this00:04
ochosidarn, you're fast00:05
ali1234crap, i didn't test it00:05
ochosihehe00:05
ochosii'll leave the build-error to you then ;)00:06
ali1234how do i git reset with bzr?00:06
ali1234or git commit --amend?00:06
ochosii dunno, i hate bzr and only use it if i absolutely have to...00:06
ali1234ah, bzr uncommit00:09
ali1234and now i have to delete the branch on launchpad and push it again because there's no bzr push -f00:09
ali1234ok, try that00:11
ali1234you'll probably have to delete and branch the repo again00:11
ochosiyup, rebranching...00:12
ali1234bzr -leave-me-alone-i-know-what-im-going00:13
ochosi:)00:13
ochosiif only00:13
ochosiok, brb, testing now00:14
Unit193So you need a git-bzr. :D00:17
ali1234it's pretty much mandatory if you want to bisect00:18
ochosilooks good00:18
ochosii still haven't built xfwm4 with that root-background support so the grey background flicker is still there00:19
ali1234my concern is that all that create_root_surface stuff will get done much later00:19
ochosibut the greeter still works00:19
ochosias it did before, i didn't feel any difference00:19
ochosi(apart from your modified config-file ;)00:19
ali1234config file?00:20
ali1234did i commit that?00:20
ali1234no...00:21
ochosihm, no, i forgot it defaults to radiance00:21
ochosior ambiance actually00:21
ochosii just remembered you used radiance on some screenshots, so i concluded without looking00:21
ali1234i use orion :)00:21
ochosioh :)00:22
ochosimuch better00:22
ali1234but recoloured with radiance colours00:22
ochosii don't like how clumsy some of the widgets look with radiance00:22
ochosiso you're one of the few users of elementary-xfce-darkest?00:22
ali1234no, i use ubuntu-mono icons00:22
ochosimeh :)00:22
ali1234i just wish human theme worked on gtk3...00:23
ochosihuman theme?00:23
ochosiwhich one do you mean?00:23
ali1234the ubuntu theme from before light-themes00:23
ochosiah00:23
ochosiwasn't that something like a recolored version of gnome's default at the time?00:23
ochosii mean cleanlooks00:24
ali1234possibly00:24
ochosia brown cleanlooks of sorts00:24
ochosii vaguely remember cleanlooks being ported to gtk300:24
ali1234i think it was a fork of that, yes00:24
ochosibut the problem are the various gtk3 theme changes00:24
ochosiit'd have to be rather recent to be useable00:24
ali1234yeah... plus straight porting isn't enough with all the new things00:25
bluesabrethat theme was good when it was more orange than brown00:25
ochosiali1234: well yeah, obviously lots and lots of pixmap assets00:25
bluesabreI used to use shiki-/gnome-colors exclusively, but not many updates there :)00:26
ochosiyeah, i also used shiki for a longer while00:26
ochosiwas nice with the icons that went along with it00:26
ochosiquite a consistent look00:26
ochosibluesabre: someone made shiki-spinoffs of greybird, saw those a while ago (greybird-brave, etc.)00:27
ochosibut with gtk-theme-config they're kinda superfluous00:27
ali1234gtk-theme-config needs more options00:27
ali1234only one of them does anything with orion00:27
ochosiyeah, we initially considered more options00:27
ochosibut then again the UI just gets complex00:28
ochosi(for the average user)00:28
ochosiand it doesn't work with many themes00:28
ali1234perhaps have one colour selection, and generate the others based on that00:28
ochosiyou mean all of them?00:29
ali1234well, "some"00:29
ali1234eg for orion...00:29
bluesabrelike modifying @fg_color in greybird00:29
ochosibluesabre: did you see ali1234's lp-branch?00:29
bluesabrehaven't checked it yet00:30
bluesabrestill the same one?00:30
ochosiye4ah00:30
ali1234hmm i never pushed it00:30
ochosihaha00:30
ochosisweet00:30
ali1234basically...00:30
ali1234the selection colour is the most colourful thing in most themes, yeah?00:31
ochosiyeah00:31
ochosithat and the bg-color define the theme mostly00:31
bluesabreochosi: repost it?  its a lp: url and harder to find in this backlog00:31
ali1234so i found good results by setting that to a bright colour, and then setting on of the others to a kind of washed out version of the same tone00:31
ochosihttps://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/lightdm-gtk-greeter/experimental00:31
bluesabredanke00:31
ochosioh :)00:31
ali1234so you can set the selection with gtk-theme-config00:32
ali1234it could then automatically change the other one00:32
ali1234let me try to find the code...00:32
ochosiali1234: "one of the others" means what exactly?00:32
ali1234i don't remember which one it was... looking now00:33
ochosiah sure00:33
ali1234ah there we go00:36
ali1234actually i guess these colours are autogenerated anyway00:39
ochosidepends on what colors you are talking about00:42
ali1234well, all of them00:42
ali1234all the gtkrc colours00:42
ochosiyeah, well there are only 6 basic colors or so00:42
ali1234basically what i mean is that the user would pick their "favourite" colour, and it would tint all the gtkrc colours00:42
ochosiand then the rest is (usually, i.e. in good themes) generated00:42
ochosiin bad themes, there are hardcoded colors00:43
ali1234there's the basic ones, and then xfwm4 generates a whole load of different shades of them00:43
ali1234sure, bad themes will never work right though :)00:43
ochosiexactly00:43
ali1234if user picks a bad theme there's not much can be done about that :)00:44
bluesabrebut they will still report bugs about it ;)00:44
ochositell me about it00:45
ochosiali1234: did you push all the bits of your greeter-changes for testing?00:48
ali1234yes00:48
ochosiok, from my pov this could be merged, but we can give it some more testing00:50
ochosibluesabre: do you still use the nouveau drivers? :)00:50
bluesabreochosi, not currently, though I could00:51
ochosisince the whole set_background mumbojumbo was kinda directed at nouveau, it'd be nice to see whether things got better, wors or are the same00:53
ochosis/wors/worse/00:53
ochosibrainwash: could you test ali1234's branch with ati and intel and see whether it works as expected, plz?00:55
ochosia garage full of testing hardware would really be nice...00:55
ali1234with all the talk about testing i watched today...00:58
ali1234it would be nice if there was a way to put out one-off calls for testing00:59
ali1234it's like... testing is focused on isos and packages... but all the dev work is done "upstream"01:01
brainwashochosi: yes, will do it tomorrow01:01
ali1234it takes too long for feedback to filter through01:02
ochosiali1234: yeah, true01:10
refarrhello02:50
refarranyone there?02:50
pleia2usually02:50
refarrI have a question, about xubuntu and I can't find any help at all02:51
refarrI just installed xbuntu 12.04...I clicked on terminal and it asked me for the default02:52
pleia2you want #xubuntu02:52
refarrI tried that02:52
pleia2this is the development channel02:52
refarrno one responded02:52
pleia2I don't see you there02:52
refarrI'll see you over there then02:53
pleia2pro tip: don't lie, it makes a bad first impression :P02:53
bluesabreburn02:59
bluesabre:)02:59
pleia2I am clearly grumpy :)02:59
bluesabrejust keeping things neat and orderly I'd say03:00
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forestpiskieali1234: for us to put out calls for testing it's really simple - talk to me 07:15
elfyor me 07:15
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xubuntu155hi08:32
Noskcajhey xubuntu155 08:34
xubuntu155I have a problem with xfce4-power-manager, it simply does not work08:35
xubuntu155the problem is for example: when I set to ASK when I press power button, it simply ignores :( that and turn off anyway08:37
xubuntu155and etc.. another example when set "do nothing" when close lid.. it will suspend too08:38
xubuntu155I'm not at home so just asking what would be the problem08:38
xubuntu155could*08:39
Noskcaj!support08:47
ubottuThe official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com08:47
NoskcajIn this case, #xubuntu08:47
NoskcajIt's caused by logind and xfce4-power-manager not working together yet though. Affects me, but there's not much we can do right now08:49
xubuntu155ah k thx09:27
xubuntu155then I try to manually config logind09:29
xubuntu155thx bb!09:29
slickymastermorning all09:43
slickymasterknome: just wanted to thank you for the changes you made to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs. They are very appealing and I'm certain that they should encourage users to return to NewDocs09:45
slickymasterknome: Can I just ask you how did you came across with NewDocs?09:57
ochosimicahg: since you reported the bug yourself and still nothing has happened there, I'd suggest I close this bugreport as wontfix for now? LP #116149810:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1161498 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Title bar not showing when using Greybird" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116149810:54
bluesabreochosi: #-ot11:34
bluesabrethanks :)11:35
ochosi:(11:36
bluesabrethe dangers of a wiki11:38
ochosigah, that guy was already annoying yesterday...11:38
ochosiwell, luckily wikis are easy to revert :)11:45
ochosibluesabre: you didn't test the nouveau stuff anymore yesterday, right?11:46
bluesabreno, didn't get a chance11:46
bluesabrejust testing login, or..?11:47
ochosiyeah, login and locking11:48
ochosilocking/blanking11:48
ochosifrom the code-side, i think ali1234's changes make a lot of sense, but as drivers not always make sense..11:49
ochosianyway, no rush11:50
ochosimaybe i can also test it later today or tomorrow11:50
bluesabreI'll go ahead and test it now11:50
ochosioh11:50
ochosicool11:50
ochosigotta go, but lemme know11:50
bluesabrewill do11:50
bluesabrehave fun11:50
ochosithanks, you too!11:51
ochosittyl11:51
slickymasterknome: FYi http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2110857&page=15&p=12852698#post1285269812:08
bluesabreochosi: from what I've tested, his branch definitely seems faster.  On initial login, I don't see the graphical glitches, but when I lock the screen, I see leftovers from my last reboot12:08
ali1234it shouldn't be faster...12:14
ali1234it pretty much just does things in a different order12:15
ali1234bluesabre: when you say you see leftovers... what is the exact sequence of events?12:18
bluesabrewhen the screen comes up, my background consists of a garbled mess of what my previous session looked like. http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=27802412:21
bluesabreali1234 ^12:21
bluesabrethis is what it generally does with the nouveau drivers though12:21
ali1234ah, i see12:21
ali1234so lock->screen blanks->move mouse->you see that?12:22
bluesabreinterestingly enough, the screen doesn't blank now on lock12:25
ali1234hmmmm.....12:25
ali1234the change i made was to only call the force lock function once12:25
ali1234since calling it more than once seems to make the screen unblank12:25
bluesabreI might try some different combinations with your branch and see if I can figure something out12:27
bluesabrealso, it might just seem faster to me because nouveau is faster with VT-switching than nvidia-proprietary drivers12:27
ali1234i can't test with nouveau because it freezes on my card :/12:28
bluesabreI can probably look forward to that with my next laptop... this one is quite a few years old12:29
bluesabreanyway, gotta go get ready for work now.  Back in 10ish hours12:30
ochosibluesabre: i also experienced the "garbled mess" with nouveau13:18
ochosifurthermore suspend didnt work well, so i switched back to nvidia13:18
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knomeslickymaster, ta ta14:56
slickymasterknome: ?!14:59
knomeslickymaster, the forum link.14:59
slickymasterknome: ah :)14:59
knomeslickymaster, i'll keep on tweaking stuff there...14:59
knomesee https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrontPageRefresh15:00
knomeany feedback is welcome15:00
slickymasterknome: I appreciate your help15:01
slickymasterknome: alright, I'll take a look at it later and will tell you my views15:02
knomesure15:02
knomeit's still a WIP15:02
knomei really want to have some feedback from people who are familiar with the community help wiki15:02
knomei don't just want to come there and change everything15:03
slickymasterknome: let me ask you something, just out of curiosity, how come did you came across with NewDocs?15:03
knomeslickymaster, i found it buried somewhere in the frontpage ;)15:03
slickymasterknome: well, lucky us for your good pair of eyes15:04
knomeheh15:04
knomemy intention is to make that more prominent in the future as you can see from the drafted frontpage15:05
slickymasterknome: resulting just of a quick glance I could suggest you the addition of a NewDocs link in the See Also section, but I'll have a thorough look at it this night15:08
slickymasterknome: by the way, I meant to ask you this a while ago, but forgot it, can you tell me where is the <<(NewDocs/Banner)>> you included in the entry page of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs15:25
knomehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Banner15:27
slickymasterknome: thanks15:28
slickymasterknome: as it turns out it was as idiot question because logically it would be a distinct page15:30
knomeslickymaster, but NewDocs is already in the top banner. why should it be in "see also" ?15:30
slickymasterknome: I think I should not only get a new pair of glass but also a fresh cop of coffee. Please apologize me and pay no attention to me today, knome as I'm surely going dumb ;)15:33
knomelol :)15:33
knomenp15:33
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elfyknome: re front page - at a quick look, I'd put the top 2 lines underneath the 3 help topic boxes or make them more pronounced - if I was going there in a panic/hurry I would miss the official docs link18:24
elfythe installation boxes would be better not lop-sided imo18:25
elfythe hardware/software/ firther areas look good18:27
elfybit of white space between them and the signpost perhaps 18:27
knomehey elfy 18:27
knomehaven't got as far as the signpost yet18:27
knomeso yep, will look into that18:27
knomeultimately, i don't think if the signpost is useful as it is18:28
elfynot really - though I've met some real life ones like that - pointing to nowhere :p18:28
knomeheh18:29
elfywould probably be better as a 'boxed area' like the 3 previous ones18:29
knomemhm18:29
elfysigh - keep getting an error on a wiki save 18:29
knome:)18:30
elfy503 last time - internal server error this time 18:30
elfybut it appears to have saved - so I'll move on quickly :p18:31
sergiobenrocha2hello18:41
sergiobenrocha2elfy or anyone?18:42
elfyI'm sort of here sergiobenrocha2 18:42
sergiobenrocha2sort?18:42
sergiobenrocha2i'm having an "save session" issue here...18:43
elfywith a wiki? 18:43
elfyubuntu wiki type?18:43
elfyif you are - join the club, so was I - might be having issues, which it does from time to time18:44
sergiobenrocha2no, with save session support of xfce18:44
elfynot really the best place to talk about it - is it in trusty? 18:45
sergiobenrocha2yes18:45
sergiobenrocha2"Automatically save session on logout" option, from "Session and Startup", is not saving session18:47
sergiobenrocha2even selected, it is not saving session.18:49
elfyok - well I'd file a bug for it then we can get people to confirm it 18:49
elfynot sure what package to file it against though off hand - knome might know, or someone else will pipe up18:49
sergiobenrocha2but it is funny, here, in xubuntu 13.10, it is the opposite. Even it is not selected, it saves session...18:49
sergiobenrocha2see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/120491918:49
ubottuUbuntu bug 1204919 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "4.10.1 version affects session autosave so it couldn't be switched off" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:50
sergiobenrocha2but it is not the only issue... if you logout and select "Save session for future logins", it will save the session and doesn't matter if you take select from this option and make it not selected in "Automatically save session on logout" option, from "Session and Startup", it will continues to open the previously saved session18:53
sergiobenrocha2so... it's 2 problems... and I think that the last issue is more an design problem than a code bug18:54
elfysergiobenrocha2: I'm not going to be much help to you tonight at all I'm afraid18:54
sergiobenrocha2ok18:54
sergiobenrocha2to who can I report (assigned) these issues in launchpad?18:55
elfywhen you know the package - file the bug - we'll see it 18:56
sergiobenrocha2these problem are very annoying, mainly if you close an session of full open apps...18:56
knomesergiobenrocha2, you can file a bug against xubuntu-desktop if you don't know the package. we will then triage it to point it to the correct package.21:18
sergiobenrocha2ok21:19
sergiobenrocha2thanks21:19
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bluesabreochosi: one possible solution is to draw GtkImages on each display, which should effectively eliminate and X leftovers23:14
bluesabrenot sure what the memory difference would be23:14
ali1234if you log out and log in again (ie not a full reboot) do you see the leftovers or the correct bitmap?23:16
ali1234it could be that nouveau doesn't implement RetainPermanent properly, and deallocates the pixmap, thus drawing garbage instead23:17
ali1234this is just wild guessing of course23:17
bluesabreactually, now that I have rebooted, Xorg crashes when I try to lock O.o23:24
ali1234well, that could be the same bug really, if it's just drawing invalid pointers on the screen23:26
ali1234http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/05/%23ubuntu-x.txt <- oh look, the unity-greeter people had the same though as me (ctrl-f RetainPermanent)23:28
ali1234RAOF = robert ancell?23:29
bluesabredunno, ochosi?23:29
GridCubehttps://launchpad.net/~raof23:29
ali1234no then23:30
GridCubelol he is member of all xubuntu's groups 23:30
ali1234that info is private to me :)23:31
GridCubeno, its in the lp page23:33
ali1234it only shows "latest memberships" and the "all memberships" link is private23:38
ali1234oh, the icons...23:38

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