[00:00] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:28] <manchicken> Howdy again
[00:46] <manchicken> apol: Yo
[00:46] <apol> manchicken: hello
[00:47] <manchicken> apol: https://github.com/manchicken/libqapt/commits/master
[00:48] <manchicken> I just pushed my latest commits.
[00:48] <manchicken> I'm still working on the tests, so there will likely still be changes.
[00:50] <apol> i see, it's quite a big patch
[00:51] <manchicken> Yup.
[00:51] <manchicken> Some of this is Jon's stuff, some is mine.
[00:52] <apol> I see
[00:52] <apol> I'll have to look at it in more detail, I'm unsure of what you're trying to achieve still
[00:53] <apol> it would be interesting if you could write smaller patches that do one thing each
[00:53] <apol> it should be easier to review this way
[00:54] <apol> I appreciate you're working on the testing though :D
[00:57] <manchicken> Yeah, smaller patches isn't really an option with this one, this is a complete re-factoring of how sources files are being loaded.
[00:58] <apol> hm
[00:59] <apol> also note that ABI changes are not allowed
[00:59] <apol> (I didn't check)
[00:59] <manchicken> ABI?
[00:59] <apol> sorry
[00:59] <apol> BIC
[01:00] <apol> or regressions on the ABI if you wish :P
[01:00] <manchicken> You mean the calling interface?
[01:00] <manchicken> I haven't changed the calling interface from what Jon gave me.
[01:00] <apol> ok
[01:01] <manchicken> I've added some stuff, but I haven't removed compatibility from what I can tell.
[01:01] <apol> oh so he gave you things?
[01:01] <manchicken> That's why I'm bringing stuff in.
[01:01] <manchicken> Yeah, I forked this off of his repo
[01:01] <manchicken> His repo: git://anongit.kde.org/libqapt
[01:02] <manchicken> I'm still using his repo as my origin so that I can continually pull to see if changes are made... there haven't been for a while.
[01:03] <apol> ah ah ok
[01:03] <apol> yes I saw that
[01:04] <manchicken> Cool.
[01:04] <manchicken> I don't want to make things worse, but this lib really needed the TLC.
[01:04] <manchicken> These tests will help to detect some bugs I think.
[01:05] <manchicken> cmake's test support is nice.
[01:05] <manchicken> It integrates well with QtTest.
[01:07] <apol> yes
[02:33] <manchicken> Tonio: ping
[03:25] <manchicken> Yay! I found another libqapt bug...
[03:26] <manchicken> (and I'm fixing it, double-yay!)
[03:41] <ScottK> debfx: I'm leaving the quassel upstart bug for you ...
[03:51] <manchicken> ScottK: Hiya
[03:51] <ScottK> Hiya manchicken.
[03:52] <manchicken> I found another bug in the parsing of libqapt.
[03:52] <manchicken> It doesn't know how to properly recognize a valid but commented-out line in a sources.list.
[03:53] <ScottK> Fun.
[03:54] <manchicken> Yeah...
[03:54] <manchicken> I'm not digging it.
[03:54] <ScottK> Well, just dive in and go after it IMO.
[03:54] <manchicken> I am...
[03:54] <manchicken> I think I worried apol.
[03:55] <manchicken> I showed him my changeset :)
[03:55] <ScottK> If he doesn't like it, he should be fixing shit.
[03:55] <manchicken> I don't think he doesn't like it, I think he may just be worried about what it's going to break for him :)
[03:56] <ScottK> Considering the disaster we released with for 13.10, I'm not sure how much I care about hurt feelings.  He can deal with it.
[03:57] <ScottK> I need to run.
[04:01] <manchicken> Bug fixed!
[04:14] <manchicken> Night all.
[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:34] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1253528] Desktop slideshow settings are forgotten (Desktop Settings, Slideshow) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1253528 (by Alex Onic)
[07:35] <apachelogger> :O
[07:36] <apachelogger> how that can even break...
[07:42]  * jussi blames apachelogger :P
[07:57] <soee> good morning
[07:57] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[07:58] <soee> lordievader, not sure yet :D i have to eat something first then i will now :) you ?
[07:59] <lordievader> soee: I'm doing good, already had my morning tea, so I can tell :P
[08:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1253528] Desktop slideshow settings are forgotten (Desktop Settings, Slideshow) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1253528 (by Alex Onic)
[09:43] <agateau> ola, I installed the plasma-active package on saucy for a demo, but the workspace does not receive touch screen "click" events: I can move the cursor around but can't click on anything. Is this a known bug?
[10:08] <agateau> Riddell: apachelogger: any opinion on ^?
[10:10] <soee> did you experienced such problem: you close laptop, it goes to hibernate than after few hours you open it, some movie or sound works in the background but you have only login screen freezed ?
[10:12] <apachelogger> agateau: the opionion is that someone probably sometime mentioned that touchy is not working and then did not fix it
[10:13] <apachelogger> at least I recall discussions about broken touch input, though that may have been even before saucy
[10:13] <apachelogger> soee: no, because we deactivated hibernation
[10:15] <agateau> apachelogger: damn that someone! :/
[10:16]  * agateau looks for bug report out of desperation
[10:54] <Riddell> agateau: yes it's known, it's why we didn't release any active images in saucy
[10:55] <Riddell> well also the startup didn't work
[10:55] <agateau> Riddell: I started it by manually running startactive :)
[10:55] <agateau> Riddell: no workaround for the touch?
[10:59] <Riddell> agateau: I don't know of any
[10:59] <agateau> Riddell: ok :/
[10:59] <Riddell> agateau: you can click on qwidgets, just not plasma widgets
[10:59] <agateau> Riddell: yes, I found out that
[11:00] <Riddell> and since it's low priority for us I stopped looking into it at that I'm afraid
[11:00] <agateau> yes, no problem
[12:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:51] <manchicken> Morning all
[13:52] <sgclark> morning
[13:55] <Quintasan> \o
[13:56] <Riddell> yo yo
[14:01]  * jalcine slides coffees out to everyone
[14:01] <jalcine> There's sugar and half and half in the back, guys
[14:01] <jalcine> ;)
[14:01] <sgclark> gimme!
[14:02]  * jalcine hands sgclark an extra mug
[14:03]  * sgclark guzzles it down
[14:11] <manchicken> Riddell: I submitted my commits to the mailing list, hopefully interested parties have a chance to review them with their apps to see if I broke stuff.
[14:11] <manchicken> I found a small handful of bugs, fixed them, and added them to my automated tests. I've still got a boatload of automated tests to code.
[14:14] <jalcine> apachelogger: I've been looking (and I'm currently using) ufw-kde. Aside from a few tweaks that can be made like moving to python3 and what not; it's pretty stable
[14:14] <jalcine> I was just mentioning in reference to the trello card
[14:14] <jalcine> wanted to know if I could help out
[14:23] <jalcine> 3~/b 2
[14:37] <Riddell> jalcine: I think that's a task that's up for grabs yes
[14:37] <Riddell> jalcine: we occationally get comments that it would be nice to have a firewall GUI so if there's a kde frontend to ufw that would be great to get in the archive and maybe even on the imgae
[14:38] <Riddell> although personally I've never felt any need for a firewall, we don't open any ports by default and I usually sit behind a NAT
[14:38] <Riddell> jalcine: have you looked into what ubuntu desktop does these days?
[14:38] <Riddell> jalcine: do you know if ufw-kde has an active upstream?
[14:40] <jalcine> So the last update to it that's worth nothing is probably from kde-apps.org and that was last year (may 23, 2012 to be exact)
[14:40] <jalcine> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137789
[14:40] <jalcine> outside of that; the Launchpad page for it seems to be stalled
[14:40] <jalcine> https://launchpad.net/ufw-kde
[14:41] <jalcine> Riddell: As far as Ubuntu desktop; I haven't looked at for quite some time, I'd have to spin up a VM to see
[14:42] <sgclark> there was kfirewall, but it looks like it has been dead for many years
[14:43] <sgclark> I am one that would like a gui frontend to a firewall
[14:43] <jalcine> I'm going to look at the sources on Launchpad and see how far the divergence is (it's not sync with P-K-O's ufw-kde)
[14:44] <sgclark> I think they use firestarter?
[14:44] <jalcine> that sounds familiar
[14:45] <jalcine> http://www.fs-security.com/screenshots.php
[14:45] <sgclark> yeah
[14:47] <jalcine> welp I'm going to build what's on Launchpad right now in a scratch PPA and see if the packaging's okay
[14:47]  * jalcine has to be on his toes today
[14:51] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm they don't use ufw?
[14:51] <Riddell> if they don't use ufw then I'd be reluctant for us to use it, they probably have their reasons
[14:54] <sgclark> looks like they recently changed to gufw as firestarter is no longer maintained.
[14:54] <sgclark> gui firewalls seem to not get much attention. odd
[14:55] <jalcine> maybe not directly
[14:56] <jalcine> I know I had to use ufw a lot with getting my laptop's ports opened up when I'm doing web work (local Intranet to view web work)
[14:56] <jalcine> even plasma-nm seems to be asking for firewall info
[14:57] <jalcine> it has this field for Firewall Zones but it's never been populated for me
[14:58] <sgclark> I use this on my web server, pretty cool. http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html
[15:00] <sgclark> but an uncomplicated kde specific frontend to ufw would be cool for my home boxes
[15:18] <Riddell> jalcine: so if you want to take it on, check if it all works or if there are any missing features of bugs (it's a security tool so a bug can have serious consequenses)
[15:18] <Riddell> contact upsteam to see if there's any status in it
[15:18] <Riddell> work out what programming needs to be done to make it useful
[15:18] <Riddell> do the programming
[15:18] <Riddell> package it
[15:18] <Riddell> get people testing
[15:19] <Riddell> get it in the archive
[15:19] <Riddell> easy :)
[15:23] <apachelogger> if only upstream was sitting in this here channel and is now leaving to get dinner :P
[15:26] <lordievader> Hello
[15:32] <jussi> jalcine: what precisely is "half and half" ?
[15:38] <sgclark> half milk and half cream
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's upstream for ufw-kde?
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Craig Drummond
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> he started the project
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> I moved it to KDE projects
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> it was in KDE-apps
[15:43] <jalcine> Its milk and cream
[15:44] <jussi> sounds nice :D
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'll test it tonight after I finish packing
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> if I'll have the time
[16:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ah hah
[16:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so jalcine wants to talk to you :)
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: me :P
[16:12] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sysadmin/ufw-kde
[16:12] <apachelogger> one day all of kde will belong to me
[16:12] <apachelogger> and it shall be glorious
[16:13] <apachelogger> when's everyone arriving in munich?
[16:13] <Riddell> 13:40 at the airport
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> ~18:40
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> at the airport
[16:14]  * apachelogger rolls a dice for when to arrive xD
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> how about now?
[16:14] <apachelogger> dice says 6, I win
[16:14] <debfx> 14:27 if my train is unexpectedly on time
[16:15] <Riddell> 18:00 at the office says the wiki page, my phone number on kubuntu-devel list, do text me if you want to go for a drink before anyone
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do I need to add ovidiu-florin to ~kubuntu-packagers?
[16:16]  * apachelogger wonders why his touchpad aint working
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'm not sure I'm ready for more responsibility
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu-members ~= kubuntu-packagers, so not without giving membership first
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> I believe I still have lot's to learn before that
[16:17] <apachelogger> kubuntu-dev ship as those also factor in somehow
[16:17] <apachelogger> or ubuntu-core-dev
[16:18] <apachelogger> long story short: I don't think most people are direct members of kubuntu-packagers but rather through one of the other authorized personel groups
[16:19] <Riddell> no most aren't but we've done that before, there's not really much danger as it all gets reviewed before upload
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'd rather earn it
[16:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I doubt that it all gets reviewed before upload and if it was the case then 3rd party branch merge would still be the right approach as that is the managemental expression of review :P
[16:23] <Riddell> ha ha "managemental" I'm now going to expect you to be in a suit in Munich :)
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to confirm my GPG key in launchpad but kmail failed to decript my email
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin> ideeas?
[16:28] <Riddell> save the e-mail as a text file and run it through gpg manually?
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm, oh, suits, oh noes
[16:29] <apachelogger> still at the dry cleaner's
[16:29]  * apachelogger looks for backup attire
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> Can I only read that email on the computer where I created the gpg key?
[16:33] <apachelogger> on every system that has the private key which is stored in .gnupg
[16:35] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes, that's the point of encryption, although you can copy your key around as harald says
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[16:41] <apachelogger> my laptop is all out of date
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: put linux on it
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[16:42] <apachelogger> well the linux is out of date
[16:42] <apachelogger> and my touchpad doesn't work, probably the bios is being silly with uefi
[16:43]  * ovidiu-florin got his gpg on launchpad and he's proud of it
[16:46] <apachelogger> To be filled by O.E.M.
[16:46] <apachelogger> DMI is terribly well supplied with data xD
[16:47]  * apachelogger rages a bit about oems and plugs in a mouse
[16:48] <debfx> where has my usb bluetooth adapter hidden itself? :(
[16:49]  * apachelogger runs away with the bluetooth adapter
[17:13] <Riddell> waa libkolab and libkgapi have both failed with different errors that I can't recreate in a trusty chroot
[17:13] <Riddell> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157105331/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.libkolab_0.4.1-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:13] <Riddell> anyone able to recreate them?
[17:14] <Riddell> hmm I think it's because of the patched I added
[17:14] <Riddell> but they were needed for another error :(
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I have a gpg now and it's saved in launchpad. bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s 2 still tries to sign with Rohan Garg ...
[17:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it'll sign with whatever is in the top of debian/changelog
[17:18] <Riddell> use debsigh -kme@foo.com *.changes  to sign it manually
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'm the last person to edit the change log, so I've added myself to that list. 
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> it still tries to sign as Rohan
[17:22] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/proqszds3/gh45rx
[17:23] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: last line is the one which counts
[17:23] <Riddell> you can either change that or just run debsign manually
[17:24] <ovidiu-florin> last line is Felix Geyer
[17:25] <Riddell> line 10 http://pastebin.kde.org/proqszds3/gh45rx
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> how can I generate that line?
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> for my user?
[17:27] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: emacs? vi? kate?
[17:28] <Riddell> it gets added when you first run dch -i to make the new changelog entry
[17:28] <Riddell> export DEBFULLNAME="Jonathan Riddell"
[17:28] <Riddell> export DEBEMAIL="jriddell@ubuntu.com"
[17:28] <Riddell> that helps in .bashrc
[17:30] <ovidiu-florin> -i ?
[17:31] <Riddell> -i for increment the current version
[17:31] <ovidiu-florin> of what?
[17:33] <Riddell> it adds a new entry in debian/changelog
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> gpg: skipped "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[17:38] <ovidiu-florin> how is that?
[17:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what's the output of  gpg --list-secret-keys  ?
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/p0oqsgsbf/vbgrjl
[17:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: are you building locally or in a pbuilder?
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> localy
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> actually on my laptop at home
[17:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: then I wonder if it's the commend in the gpg name that is the issue
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> I've connected to it via ssh
[17:42] <Riddell> what happens if you set your name in the changelog to  "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiu-florin)" ?
[17:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you run that gpg command on your laptop at home via ssh?
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[17:46] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: it worked
[17:46] <Riddell> awooga
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> ok what now?
 then you have a source.changes that you can then dput to ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> there is no source.changes
[17:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what command did you run?
[17:50] <ovidiu-florin> bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s 2
[17:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ideeas?
[17:54] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: did you look in the folder above?
[17:55] <yofel> oh, and the full filename would be something like <pkg>_<version>_source.changes
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> found it
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:56] <ovidiu-florin> the command ran successfully
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> dput ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa ../build-area/kate_4.11.80-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_source.changes
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> can I see this somewhere in launchpad?
[17:58] <yofel> first you will get a mail from launchpad whether the package was accepted or rejected. If it's accepted it'll appear in the ppa
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> it worked https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kate&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[17:59] <yofel> :)
[17:59] <ovidiu-florin> I see that the build status column is working
[17:59] <ovidiu-florin> what's that?
[18:00] <Riddell> it means launchpad is compiling it and if it works will end up with .deb packages in the ~kubuntu-ninjas ppa
[18:00] <yofel> hm
[18:00] <yofel> the version is wrong though
[18:01] <Riddell> which is then summaried here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[18:01] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: why did you set it to ubuntu2?
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> don't know
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> not on purpose
[18:01] <yofel> :S
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> cant it be reversed?
[18:01] <yofel> hm, I'll try to delete the package, then you can try to re-upload
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> I'll do all this from scratch
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> to make sure I understood the process
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> ok, deleted
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> thanks yofel
[18:04] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I would recommend forcing debsign to use your key over forcing dch to update the name
[18:05] <Riddell> mm looking greener now http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html
[18:06] <yofel> good idea ^^
[18:08]  * manchicken can't look at that page
[18:09] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5230568/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.perlkde_4%3A4.11.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <— Gives me a "private" error
[18:09] <Riddell> manchicken: probably you're not elite enough
[18:09] <Riddell> only elite people are in kubuntu-ninjas
[18:09] <Riddell> would you like me to make you elite?
[18:09] <manchicken> I love being elite
[18:10] <Riddell> Michael D. Stemle, Jr. (manchicken) has been added as a member of this team.
[18:10] <Riddell> manchicken: try now
[18:11]  * manchicken feels more 1337.
[18:12] <BluesKaj> with a nick like manchicken , you could have fooled me :)
[18:12] <manchicken> Hah!
[18:18] <manchicken> There's no build log for perlkde, says no such resourc
[18:18] <manchicken> e
[18:18] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/5230568
[18:18] <yofel> use a !webkit browser - i.e. firefox
[18:30] <Riddell> manchicken: did you get it working?
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: how do I force debsign to sign as me?
[18:40] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: put "DEBSIGN_KEYID=EB15EE62" in ~/.devscripts
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you replace the deleted kate package in ninjas ppa with the old one?
[19:04] <yofel> that one is still there, but in status SUPERSEDED so not visible by default
[19:04] <ovidiu-florin> I can't pull it with pull-ninjas-source
[19:04] <yofel> right, that only fetches PUBLISHED packages
[19:04] <yofel> why don't you use bzr?
[19:10] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I don't understand
[19:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: you can't really pull that package with pull-ppa-source right now
[19:12] <yofel> I could update it, but then you don't need to..
[19:12] <ovidiu-florin> how do I update it?
[19:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: bzr-buildpackage-ppa like before?
[19:13] <ovidiu-florin> I wanted to start from scratch so I want to download it again
[19:13] <yofel> your changes are already in the bzr branch, so start from that
[19:13] <yofel> kbzr branch kate
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> yofel:  I've cleared my working directory to start from scratch. I don't have the sources anymore
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> I only habe the bzr branch from my +junk ppa on my account
[19:24] <yofel> aah ok, then you'll need the .orig.tar.xz
[19:24] <yofel> you can get that from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3650692/+listing-archive-extra
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> but that only holds the changes
[19:25] <yofel> .orig.tar.xz + branch is all you need
[19:32] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: done, I've pushed again to kubuntu ninjas ppa
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: is there something else to be done? because I don't se it yet here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kate&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=trusty
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> it-s there
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[19:33] <ovidiu-florin> yeey
[19:34] <yofel> yep, fine now :)
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I asked in $kde-www about how they maintain the wiki, didn't get much help
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> #kde-www
[20:26] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.80_trusty.html it says that kate changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file trusty
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> I don't get it
[20:27] <yofel> ignore that, bug in lintian
[20:27] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: you can ingore any lintian warnings that aren't bold
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> what's lintian
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[20:29] <maco> tool that checks for common errors
[20:29] <ovidiu-florin> I guess in this case I can also ignore the CMake warnings?
[20:29] <maco> and warns you about them so you can fix them before uploading
[20:29] <maco> or in this case after uploading ;)
[20:30] <yofel> hm, those cmake errors are something upstream needs to fix
[20:30] <yofel> leave it for now, we can check later if they're in 4.11.90 too
[20:30] <ovidiu-florin> there are some bold lines on lintian for kde4libs
[20:31] <yofel> those need fixing alright. Do you know what library symbols are?
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> I know a few things, but let's say I don't
[20:35] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: it's the binary interface method representation for shared libraries. You can see the symbols of a lib with nm, e.g. nm -D /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5
[20:36] <yofel> we keep a list of a libs symbols in files in the packaging to make sure that upstream doesn't break the ABI without bumping the SOVERSION (i.e. libkdecore.so.5 -> libkdecore.so.6)
[20:37] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: our process for those is described on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[20:37] <yofel> you can see on the kde4libs status page that it says "New symbols" at the top. The lintian warnings tell the same, just a bit cryptic
[20:39] <ovidiu-florin> so the symbols file needs to be updated with the new symbols, right?
[20:40] <yofel> right
[20:41] <yofel> for that you can use 'pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 4:4.11.80 <buildlog> [<buildlog>] ...'
[20:41] <yofel> I usually save the i386 and amd64 buildlog from launchpad, unzip them, then feed both into batchpatch
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I'll leave this for later since I promissed I'll look into ufw-kde tonight
[20:46] <yofel> sure, np
[20:53] <Quintasan> \o
[20:53]  * Quintasan looks at ssdm
[20:56] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't happen to know the status of our Plasma Active magic?
[20:56] <yofel> not really, Riddell knows more I think
[20:57] <Quintasan> Mmkay.
[20:59] <Quintasan> I have ssdm 0.1 compling here fine, lemme get copyright and control done and we could theoretically upload it.
[21:12] <Quintasan> oh god
[21:12] <Quintasan> this is going to be a pita
[21:12] <Riddell> Quintasan: what what?
[21:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: How is our Plasma Active stack?
[21:13] <Quintasan> and I'm trying to do sddm
[21:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: flakey
[21:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: the session starts up but just shows a blank screen
[21:13] <Quintasan> but due to images and whatnot it's going to be a pain in the ass to copyright
[21:13] <Quintasan> Do we even have 4.0?
[21:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: and the mouse cursor can't click on any plasma stuff
[21:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes we do, I packaged it but didn't fix the problems
[21:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you pester upstream about those?
[21:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: nope, low priority so I got on with other stuff
[21:14] <Quintasan> I guess I can try it out on the G9
[21:14] <Riddell> so we had no active images in saucy
[21:14] <Quintasan> Okay, I'll give the PA4 images a spin
[21:14] <Quintasan> and try to figure out how to make ours
[21:14] <Quintasan> meh
[21:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: working out how to get it working on a laptop would be one way to start, then working out how to get images for any devices another step
[21:16] <Quintasan> Certainly
[21:16] <Quintasan> I'll give it a go this weekend or next one depending on my progress with uni magic
[21:28] <Riddell> you can also ask agateau about his experiences, he tried it out and had comments this morning
[21:32] <apachelogger> so apparently when one doesn't get any sleep one simply falls a sleep at some point
[21:32] <apachelogger> peculiar behavior that is
[21:32]  * apachelogger shakes fist a bit
[21:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161830 I still experience this
[21:34] <apachelogger> ITS A TRAP
[22:10] <manchicken> apachelogger: Did you see my email from last night?
[22:13] <apachelogger> manchicken: yeah, I didn't look at the code though
[22:13] <manchicken> Righto.
[22:14] <manchicken> I found yet another bug while I was coding tests.
[22:14] <manchicken> It was a small one that I don't think most people care about, but it was still a bug.
[22:18] <apachelogger> dem bugs must die
[22:19]  * apachelogger packs 3 bottles of rum, a cigar, and a bazooka for the weekend
[22:19] <mamarley> Alcohol and guns.  Not a particularly safe combination...
[22:23] <apachelogger> safe doesn't cut it with the beasts we are fighting http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081223225335/starshiptroopers/images/2/22/Vlcsnap-278681.png
[22:53] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to sleep 
[22:53] <ovidiu-florin> nini