[00:00] <alphacrypt> yes maybe placed just wrong
[00:00] <alphacrypt> ahhh need to get to the right side of the panel
[00:00] <wafflejock> Also you can go to the kmenu and go to System->System Settings->Keyboard Shortcuts->Global Shortcuts->Kwin and then type Show Desktop and add a shortcut
[00:00] <alphacrypt> it shows place of the panel I can place it on
[00:01] <alphacrypt> and then it is at the left
[00:01] <alphacrypt> lol very strange but seems to work hahaha
[00:01] <wafflejock> alphacrypt: yeah depends on what else is there it's finicky soetimes
[00:01] <alphacrypt> ohhh now the clock isnt centered
[00:01] <alphacrypt> :D
[00:02] <wafflejock> alphacrypt: yeah I have 3 panels :)
[00:02] <alphacrypt> ahhh very tricke can add spacers
[00:02] <alphacrypt> wow what :D
[00:03] <alphacrypt> nevery played with seems to make some fun :D
[00:03] <wafflejock> alphacrypt: heh yeah I have one in the bottom that's the regular stuff... then one up top on the right that hides with common apps
[00:03] <wafflejock> then one up top right with time in it that hides and a little timer too
[00:03] <alphacrypt> terrific
[00:03] <alphacrypt> hahaha
[00:03] <alphacrypt> and one in the middle :D
[00:03] <alphacrypt> hahaha
[00:03] <alphacrypt> sorry
[00:03] <FloodBotK1> alphacrypt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:03] <wafflejock> yeah it's the main reason I switched to KDE, customization crazy :)
[00:04] <alphacrypt> wow never thought about using more then one panel
[00:04] <wafflejock> some nice widgets for the desktop too
[00:04] <alphacrypt> yes interesting feature
[00:06] <alphacrypt> ok got just to clean up my partition for backup
[00:06] <alphacrypt> thanks for help
[00:06] <alphacrypt> very useful suggestions
[00:07] <alphacrypt> ahhh one more just want backup because not sure if it will work with shrinking the partition with kubuntu on it do you have som experiences?
[00:09] <wafflejock> alphacrypt: np... not sure about the shrinking partitions business though
[00:09] <alphacrypt> no problem
[00:09] <alphacrypt> a backup will sure do for whatever else
[00:10] <alphacrypt> am excited if it will work knowing me hmmm :D
[00:20] <alphacrypt> ok bit cleaned
[00:20] <alphacrypt> > 80 GB to < 10
[00:20] <alphacrypt> lets just try with clonezilla bye and thanks so far
[03:23] <Duel-Travis> Can someone help me remove Kubuntu?
[03:25] <Duel-Travis> ????
[03:26] <manchicken> Duel-Travis: What do you mean "remove"?
[03:27] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, I dont want KDE anymore?
[03:28] <manchicken> Duel-Travis: I take it you already try hitting Google?
[03:28] <Duel-Travis> yes
[03:28] <manchicken> I see this fella, and I'm wondering if you tried it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/122242/how-do-i-remove-kubuntu-full-and-all-its-applications
[03:30] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, I installed it via apt-get install kde-full
[03:30] <manchicken> Duel-Travis: Did you just look at the link I posted?
[03:30] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, Im looking at it now
[03:31] <manchicken> K.
[03:32] <Duel-Travis> ?
[03:32] <manchicken> FWIW, that was the "I'm Feeling Lucky" result on google for the terms "how do I remove kubuntu from ubuntu?"
[03:34] <Duel-Travis> ao?
[03:41] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, I cant remove it via synaptic?
[03:42] <manchicken> Duel-Travis: The first link I sent you says that you could use the package manager to search for KDE packages and remove those.
[03:43] <manchicken> Unfortunately the package managers won't remove meta-packages.
[03:43] <manchicken> You could try removing kdelibs and see what breaks, and then remove those, but you may miss a few things.
[03:44] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, This? http://superuser.com/questions/30112/kubuntu-to-ubuntu
[03:46] <manchicken> That's not your GUI package manager though.
[03:47] <Duel-Travis> manchicken, I got no idea what ur talking about. I jsut wanna remove KDE.
[03:47] <manchicken> Yeah, and I'm trying to help you understand that KDE is not *a* thing, it is a collection of things.
[03:48] <manchicken> It is installed usually using meta-packages like kde-full, but it isn't as easy to remove since there are many things which could depend on it.
[03:50] <manchicken> There are ways of getting most of it out using command line utilities, or by selecting each individual KDE package in Synaptic and removing them, but it is not as easy to remove KDE as it is to install it.
[03:50] <manchicken> The same is true of any of the desktop environment suite meta-packages.
[03:58] <Duel-Travis> how do I uninstall KDE??
[04:16] <rodnice> Latest Kubuntu doesn't seem to let me scroll to see all the available hotspots in my area. Is there a solution for this?
[06:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:03] <excognac> hi lordievader zeserdaz i started to discuss an issue with Blueskaj. The problem is i cannot make a new user, neither with graphical interface, nor with Konsole (sudo adduser) : upon logging for the first time, root enforces new pwd for the new user. she types it in and it freezes.
[07:04] <excognac> *yesterday
[07:04] <excognac> then I can't log on from text mode(Ctrl+AltF1), i have to reboot
[07:09] <lordievader> excognac: Phew, that doesn't sound nice. So you run "sudo adduser" and the computer freezes?
[07:12] <excognac> lordievader: no, it creats the new user. the laptop with kubuntu 12.04 freezes WHEN new user tries to log on: "password change is rquired, eforced by root" then the window with pwd and repeat pwd pops, while she types it freezes
[07:13] <excognac> sorry for the typos
[07:14] <lordievader> excognac: Ok, have you tried "sudo passwd <new user>"?
[07:14] <lordievader> After the adduser command.
[07:14] <lordievader> ?
[07:14] <excognac> lordievader: yes, same result upon first log on
[07:15] <lordievader> Also was adduser the one who asked questions? Room number, telephone number, etc?
[07:15] <excognac> or do i have to reboot, not just log out for the first log on of the new user?
[07:15] <excognac> yes it did ask those
[07:15] <lordievader> excognac: Ok, home-dir is created I suppose? Is the new user in /etc/passwd?
[07:17] <excognac> lordievader: i dont even have that folder
[07:18] <lordievader> excognac: Hmm, the adduser command finishes correctly?
[07:19] <excognac> lordievader: yes
[07:19] <lordievader> Lovely problem ;) Can you delete the user?
[07:20] <excognac> yes
[07:20] <excognac> with ease
[07:20] <lordievader> excognac: Ok delete it and then create it with "sudo useradd <username>"
[07:21] <excognac> the funny thing is i created before a user without any  problem, don't really remember if i did anything differently
[07:22] <excognac> lordievader: done.
[07:23] <excognac> lordievader: they i just su <newuser> asks for pwd, i press enter.: authentication failure
[07:24] <lordievader> excognac: Correct useradd doesn't create a password.
[07:24] <excognac> lordievader: ok, what'snext? sudo passwd <useR>?
[07:25] <lordievader> excognac: So now make a home-dir, edit /etc/passwd to the correct home-dir.
[07:26] <lordievader> Also make the new user the owner of the home-dir "sudo chown <user>:<user> <home-dir>&&sudo chmod 700 <home-dir>
[07:26] <excognac> i make the home with sudo mkdir /home/<user>
[07:26] <excognac> ?
[07:27] <lordievader> excognac: Yes, and then the chown and chmod commands.
[07:28] <excognac> lordievader: done
[07:29] <lordievader> excognac: Also the /etc/passwd step?
[07:29] <excognac> lordievader: oops, i forgot that.
[07:31] <excognac> lordievader: her home displayed correctly in etc/passwd, so i didn't edit it
[07:32] <lordievader> excognac: Ok, lets create a passwd: sudo passwd <username>
[07:33] <excognac> lordievader: done
[07:33] <excognac> shall i try now su <user>
[07:33] <lordievader> excognac: Yes, lets see if it works.
[07:34] <excognac> yes it dropped me to a single $ prompt
[07:35] <lordievader> excognac: Default shell is probably still /bin/sh, you can change that in /etc/passwd (once you have sudo rights again) to /bin/bash.
[07:35] <lordievader> Or your shell of choice.
[07:37] <excognac> lordievader: ok, done. now after su i'm in <user>@<computer>:/home/<mine>
[07:38] <lordievader> That's a bash like prompt.
[07:39] <excognac> as i changed to bash. but now new user is administrator (sudoer)?
[07:41] <lordievader> excognac: It shouldn't be, try it "sudo ls", you'll probably get an error that <username> is not in the sudoers group.
[07:41] <excognac> lordievader: exactly that's it
[07:41] <excognac> shall i try to log on with her?
[07:42] <lordievader> excognac: First try to make a file in your home dir.
[07:42] <lordievader> The new home dir, with the new user.
[07:44] <excognac> lordievader: i just nano whatever.txt, succesfully created
[07:44] <lordievader> excognac: Correct user and group too?
[07:44] <excognac> how do i find it out?
[07:45] <lordievader> ls -l
[07:45] <excognac> yes
[07:46] <ss_haze> this morning is great
[07:46] <lordievader> excognac: Ok, fire up lightdm (or kdm) and try to log in ;)
[07:46] <excognac> lordievader: without reboot right? just log out then log in
[07:46] <lordievader> excognac: Yes.
[07:47] <ss_haze> good morning
[07:48] <lordievader> Hey ss_haze, how are you?
[07:48] <ss_haze> I'm good
[07:48] <ss_haze> I couldn't found how to make select button with value in php so I created like 100 pages
[07:49] <ss_haze> but in the end
[07:49] <ss_haze> if it works it works
[07:49] <ss_haze> ..
[07:49] <ss_haze> + deletion of every single category item made me rethink that I'm doing it right way
[07:50] <lordievader> ss_haze: Shall we continue in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[07:50] <ss_haze> I have school
[07:50] <ss_haze> soon
[07:50] <ss_haze> must go
[07:51] <excognac> lordievader: wow this was funny: it started Fail session: "gnome". they clicked the down arrow, chose plasma workspace and i could log on as new user. thanks it works fine now
[07:52] <lordievader> :)
[07:52] <excognac> lordievader: i never use gnome session, this is kde and it kicks ass, i don't even remember if i have any gnome-based package
[07:54] <excognac> lordievader: however plasma crashed after i logged bakc, backtrace is here http://pastebin.kde.org/pudzyrjqo
[07:55] <lordievader> excognac: As the normal user or the new one?
[07:55] <excognac> lordievader: as the normal
[07:55] <lordievader> excognac: I cannot make a lot of sense of that log.
[07:55] <lordievader> excognac: Reboot and see if the problem persists.
[07:58] <excognac> lordievader:  ok
[07:58] <excognac> brb
[08:02] <excognac> lordievader: no crash now
[08:02] <excognac> lordievader: are we done or shall ireport this on launchpad? as gui should work fine
[08:02] <lordievader> excognac: OK, good. Does it crash when you log out, login as the new user, log out again and login as the previous user?
[08:03] <lordievader> excognac: I get the feeling the bug report would be very vague.
[08:04] <excognac> lordievader: i have to go now to work, but i'll find it later today, if you are interested i'll let you know. what info i should include in the bug report?
[08:04] <excognac> lordievader: bug report->i mean the gui creation of the new user, not the crash
[08:04] <lordievader> excognac: That is what I mean. I have no idea.
[08:05] <lordievader> excognac: Both are vague to me.
[08:06] <excognac> lordievader: :( i really want to help to improve kubuntu. gtg now, lata
[12:49] <rwc2> i've logged into kubuntu 13.04 via ctrl+alt+f1 but my files under home aren't present, even as sudo
[12:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:02] <rwc2> i've logged into kubuntu 13.04 via ctrl+alt+f1 but my files under home aren't present, even as sudo
[13:02] <rwc2> BluesKaj, good morning
[13:04] <BluesKaj> rwc2.  alt+F2 . ~/home
[13:05] <BluesKaj> or ~/ rather ,
[13:07] <rwc2> BluesKaj, can you elaborate?  i userd alt+f2, logged in, went to /home/user/Downloads and the files are not there still
[13:07] <rwc2> if encrypted home folder, will they not show up here
[13:09] <BluesKaj> do you have a desktop ?
[13:09] <rwc2> no
[13:09] <rwc2> cant get x, in fact this is guest39248 from the other day
[13:11] <BluesKaj> so you're in shell ,  startx ?
[13:12] <rwc2> startx doesnt work, spent hours in here trying that
[13:15] <rwc2> BluesKaj,  ok im in x on a different user
[13:15] <rwc2> home directory has 'access-your-private-data.desktop'
[13:16] <BluesKaj> don't know much about encryption and the login at lightdm still loops ?
[13:16] <rwc2> and readme.txt only
[13:16] <rwc2> BluesKaj, still loops
[13:16] <BluesKaj> then you can copy the read only afaik
[13:17] <rwc2> can you elaborate
[13:18] <BluesKaj> copy to another partition with am OS on it , but they will remain encrypted
[13:19] <BluesKaj> you need the encryption key
[13:19] <rwc2> 'access-your-private-data.desktop' +'has no type='
[13:19] <rwc2> i have the key
[13:19] <rwc2> i just need it to ask for it
[13:22] <rwc2> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=202&t=92510
[13:34] <BluesKaj> rwc2. IK think if you explain your situation in more detail and what your trying to do, rather than just posting an error and URL , in #ubuntu , you'll get a response
[14:47] <sfolter> hi
[15:26] <lordievader> Hello
[15:31] <dengladesaks> .tombola
[15:31] <dengladesaks> :P
[17:46] <Duel-Travis> how do I remove kubuntu completly!?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> Duel-Travis. why ?
[17:51] <ezra-s> Duel-Travis, Kubuntu is the whole distro, you just format the partition and it's gone
[17:51] <Duel-Travis> ezra-s, I mean KDE
[17:51] <BluesKaj> or you can remove kubuntu desktop and replace it with another desktop , Duel-Travis
[17:52] <crowell> kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage
[17:52] <Duel-Travis> BluesKaj, How can I do so?
[17:52] <Duel-Travis> I do this, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu and get an error.
[17:52] <ezra-s> Duel-Travis, you are not familiar with apt-get, apt-cache?
[17:52] <crowell> sudo apt-get --purge remove kubuntu-desktop
[17:52] <crowell> then, sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:52] <BluesKaj> I asked you why first Duel-Travis , what's the problem ?
[17:53] <Duel-Travis> BluesKaj, I dont like it? I wanna try somethin different
[17:53] <crowell> Duel-Travis: look at what I just posted
[17:53] <ezra-s> Duel-Travis, you don't really need to remove it to try something different
[17:53] <crowell> that is what you need to do to remove it
[17:53] <BluesKaj> why don't you like it , pls expalin
[17:53] <Duel-Travis> BluesKaj, Because I dont like it?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> crowell. have you no loyalty ? :)
[17:54] <crowell> BluesKaj: I love KDE, but it is not for everyone
[17:54] <Duel-Travis> crowell, Ive done that already, Does it remove it from the desktop session manager
[17:54] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, he's dense
[17:54] <crowell> Duel-Travis: it should
[17:55] <ezra-s> you can go wild and remove kde*
[17:55] <BluesKaj> Duel-Travis. so what are you going to replace the desktop with ?
[17:55] <Duel-Travis> BluesKaj, I still have Unity. But im thinking xfce
[17:55] <BluesKaj> heh , well have fun
[17:55] <crowell> what don't you like about kde? it would make it easier to give an alternative recommendation
[17:56] <Duel-Travis> crowell, Its not what I wanted it to be, still the same as windows basicall
[17:56] <BluesKaj> unity uses compiz , a real hog on older pcs
[17:56] <crowell> you want it to be like windows?
[17:57] <ezra-s> Duel-Travis, that's not true, kde is miles over windows or anything similar to it
[17:57] <Duel-Travis> BluesKaj, My pc isnt old. lol
[17:57] <ezra-s> as much as I like unity that is much more similar to windows than kde right now
[17:57] <Duel-Travis> ezra-s, Why do all the Desktops I look at look very similar?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> ;like wwindows , far from it , maybe more familiar than the other DEs but definitely not "like Windows "
[17:58] <ezra-s> Duel-Travis, something called ergonomy
[17:58] <Duel-Travis> mhm
[17:58] <ezra-s> you need functionaly stuff, not things noone will understand how to use
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ezra-s. yes , espaecially windows 8.1
[17:58] <Duel-Travis> wot
[17:58] <ezra-s> I haven't tried windows 8.1 much, saw it on a store, didn't look like desktop to me
[17:59] <ezra-s> looked more tablet like interface
[17:59] <BluesKaj> it is
[17:59] <ezra-s> something noone will use at work, that's for sure
[17:59] <ezra-s> soon, you will see microsoft pulling back a lot on this move
[18:00] <ezra-s> one thing is you experiment with desktop users and people who buy laptops, since you have monopoly over the distribution of those with your OS, but work, offices, companies, workflow.. that's very different
[18:00] <ezra-s> microsoft is going to pull their pants down, quickly
[18:02] <ezra-s> returning to kde, kubuntu
[18:02] <ezra-s> kde is ideal for work
[18:03] <ezra-s> it remains using all personalizations that have always made it characteristic
[18:03] <ezra-s> newer versions are very stable
[18:03] <ezra-s> you can still tell specific windows programs to open in specific desktops, you can customize it and make it look like any other thing you like
[18:04] <ezra-s> it takes a little time if you don't look default layout to make it suit your needs
[18:04] <ezra-s> s/don't look/don't like/
[18:09] <BluesKaj> i've used kde longer as a desktop than any other including windows ..however there's no accounting for taste so unity will no doubt, survive
[18:12] <ezra-s> unity has an amazing search in the dash
[18:12] <ezra-s> in the rest I think they screwed up over-simplifying
[18:13] <ezra-s> specially settings for all kinds of things
[18:13] <BluesKaj> dash doesn't impress me much
[18:13] <ezra-s> even after simplification when you dist-upgrade chances are your desktop is going to get screwed up somehow for incompatibilities
[18:14] <ezra-s> BluesKaj, I used it at first for work, searching previously found/used files in it is a matter of 3-4 or less keystrokes
[18:14] <ezra-s> haven't seen anything as good in kde or anywhere else
[18:15] <BluesKaj> well , I'm a home user so file searches aren't real important to me
[18:17] <BluesKaj> I have all the important stuff in quicklaunch
[18:26] <ezra-s> yeap, I was talking about my case specifically, at work, opening files from the dash
[18:26] <ezra-s> files I had already opened once though :P
[18:27] <ezra-s> I haven't managed to use nepomuk for something though, maybe my fault
[18:29] <BluesKaj> nepomuk is disabled here , as is akonadi , don't use the PIM apps
[19:00] <fransuva> hi, i want to update my motherboard's bios. i want to update it from my usb drive. how can i make a bootable usb disk to update my bios??
[19:02] <BluesKaj> fransuva. go to the motherboard maker's site and look for firmware updates/upgrades
[19:03] <fransuva> BluesKaj: thanks for your reply. i downloaded latest bios but i need a bootable usb. i cant install wmware because i need a bios update and i want to learn other linux distributions.
[19:05] <BluesKaj> fransuva. maybe you just need to enable virtual OS in the bios
[19:06] <fransuva> BluesKaj: yes but i couldnt find it in bios
[19:06] <BluesKaj> how old is your machine ?
[19:06] <lordievader> fransuva: Is the bios update really necessary?
[19:06] <fransuva> 2 years old
[19:07] <fransuva> i'm using msi gd53 motherboard
[19:07] <BluesKaj> then virtuality is probly available , I'm sure of it
[19:07] <lordievader> fransuva: I had it fail on me once. Needed a new motherboard since you cannot get new bios chips. Though nowadays they have some security build in.
[19:07] <fransuva> i got an error like that: VT-X/AMD-V
[19:08] <lordievader> fransuva: That is a bios setting. Enable the virtual-something in the bios settings.
[19:08] <fransuva> so cant i install virtualmachines to my pc? :(
[19:08] <fransuva> but there is no bios setting in my bios
[19:08] <lordievader> fransuva: Then disable the setting in vmware.
[19:09] <fransuva> okay, i'm checking it out.
[19:10] <fransuva> still vt-x/amd-v problem
[19:10] <fransuva> it says your system isnt ready to virtualisation.
[19:11] <fransuva> activate vt-x/amd-v settings
[19:12] <lordievader> fransuva: With the setting disabled in the virtual machine properties?
[19:12] <fransuva> yes.
[19:12] <fransuva> i'm using virtualbox
[19:13] <lordievader> fransuva: Is your guest 64bit?
[19:14] <fransuva> yes i'm using 64 bit pc
[19:14] <fransuva> and my downladed iso's are too
[19:14] <fransuva> i didnt download 32 bit versions
[19:14] <fransuva> should i?
[19:15] <crowell> fransuva: you really just need to enable vt-x
[19:15] <lordievader> fransuva: Yes. For 64bit you need VT-X/AMD-V capabilities. Something your cpu/motherboard doesn't support (it seems).
[19:15] <crowell> https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=155470.0
[19:15] <crowell> people there says it does
[19:15] <crowell> what is your cpu?
[19:15] <lordievader> Oh, well than find the option and enable it ;)
[19:15] <fransuva> intel i5 2500k @4200Mhz
[19:16] <crowell> that can certainly do vt-x then
[19:16] <lordievader> Agreed.
[19:16] <fransuva> ok i'll restart my pc and i'll search hopelessly :)
[19:16] <fransuva> i'll come back in 5 mins.
[19:17] <fransuva> than i'll report situation.
[19:17] <fransuva> see ya
[19:29] <fransuva> hi again, i couldnt find bios settings again
[19:29] <fransuva> i tried to update my bios from usb
[19:30] <fransuva> i couldnt it
[19:31] <fransuva> i'll check it again
[21:41] <kravc> есть русские?
[21:41] <Unit193> !ru
[21:42] <kravc> !ru
[22:32] <zorrohotzu> @
[22:32] <zorrohotzu> @ udp
[23:11] <mjayk> Hay is there a chat / offtopic channel here
[23:31] <westmi> why is the time on my desktop switching?
[23:32] <westmi> this is the 2nd time i had to fix it
[23:44] <nv_> could be the BIOS