[15:04] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-investigate-using-google-helpout
[15:06] <jcastro> popey, want to take notes?
[15:06] <popey> am in another session..
[15:07] <jcastro> ok
[15:32] <chiluk> jorge / matt do either of you have invites available?
[15:47] <popey> i tried to get one, but no success yet
[15:47] <popey> poked a friend at google to try to get one
[15:49] <SuperMatt> yeah, you just have to wait for google to get back to you
[15:49] <SuperMatt> there's really no indication as to when that would be
[16:10] <dholbach> keep the questions coming
[16:10] <dholbach> just prefix them with QUESTION
[16:11] <YokoZar> I'm here :)
[16:11] <elfy> hi YokoZar
[16:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:13] <elfy> o/
[16:13] <popey> OMG! I SEE AN ELFY!
[16:13] <asomething> sure, let me try to distill a long email into an irc question
[16:13] <popey> HE EXISTS!
[16:13] <elfy> :) hi popey
[16:13] <popey> Sounder!
[16:14] <asomething> dholbach, yes a moderated ubuntu member list akin to debian's project list
[16:14] <popey> dholbach: isn't that what loco-contacts is for?
[16:15] <czajkowski> asomething: but we had that
[16:15] <czajkowski> and it ended up being a lot of work for moderating
[16:15] <toddc> QUESTIONS team leader meetings?
[16:16] <dholbach> toddc, can you elaborate?
[16:16] <asomething> i'm perfectly willing to accept that no one wants another mailing list =)
[16:16] <toddc> passing ideas between teams and loco leaders simular the this?
[16:17] <popey> Yes, "yet another mailing list" isn't the solution IMHO
[16:17] <popey> There was an event-co-ordination list which existed and wasnt used
[16:17] <popey> event-planning iirc
[16:17] <asomething> but maybe I'll try posting my argument for it on discouse or my blog
[16:17] <YokoZar> Now I'm remembering all the mailing lists we shut down last term
[16:18] <czajkowski> YokoZar: indeed
[16:18] <czajkowski> a lot of time :)
[16:18] <dholbach> asomething, great idea - that's probably the best way to take the pulse and see how people feel
[16:18] <YokoZar> Might be worth giving that another look
[16:18] <czajkowski> toddc: can you elaborate?
[16:19] <toddc> 5 years and I have never spoken to any council or other team leaders
[16:19] <czajkowski> toddc: you could also be doing it and not know you're doing it
[16:19] <czajkowski> lots of people are leaders
[16:20] <popey> \o/
[16:20] <czajkowski> action item popey :)
[16:21] <asomething> toddc, part of my idea was that the CC could move as much of its discussion into public on such a community list
[16:21] <czajkowski> asomething: we meet online for our meetings
[16:21] <czajkowski> but there are other things which cannot be doing publically as it's the last port of call for some issues
[16:23] <toddc> yes
[16:26] <asomething> core apps is a good place to begin since it is community led
[16:29] <asomething> I picked up a work item yesterday to develop a create a set of standards Investigate creating an ubuntu-core-app-dev (or similar) team to review/commit across core apps, including guidelines for membership
[16:29] <asomething> I think it would be interesting if it membership in that team came with Ubuntu membership
[16:30] <czajkowski> asomething: so developer members or ubuntu membership which is the same bar the upload and voting in tb ?
[16:30] <mhall119> asomething: we already have an LP team that can do that
[16:31] <dholbach> asomething, was what I was saying generally making sense or am I going off on a tangent?
[16:31] <czajkowski> asomething: daft question, why not just go in front of the memebership board and then get memberhsip like others do?
[16:31] <asomething> czajkowski, right not if you join motu or core-dev you become an ubuntu member. there isn't anything similar for coreapp devs
[16:31] <czajkowski> based on that work
[16:32] <asomething> s/not/now/
[16:32] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:32] <popey> asomething: sure is
[16:32] <popey> nik90 got his membership after being a core app dev
[16:32] <mhall119> asomething: there also isn't a requirement to join core app devs like there is for Ubuntu Membership
[16:32] <popey> via the membership process
[16:32] <czajkowski> asomething: I still think you can go for memberhsip and show your work in core apps as a way you're contributing
[16:32] <popey> +1
[16:32] <czajkowski> the same way people do via the irc or forums for their work there
[16:32] <elfy> I'd agree with that
[16:34] <asomething> czajkowski, well that's the issue. the CC delegates that to the other boards. it seems like it would require CC action to do the same for touch contributors
[16:35] <asomething> mhall119, see this session http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22067/appdev-1311-coreapps-saucy-review/
[16:35] <czajkowski> asomething: No I think the membership boards should look at the work based on touch contributors and evaluate it the same way based on a wiki page showing their work and involvement in the ubuntu community
[16:35] <asomething> mhall119, there is ~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers but that is only canonical folks afaict
[16:36] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:37] <mhall119> asomething: it might be, but it doesn't *have* to be
[16:37] <czajkowski> asomething: is your thought on this because you want to become an Ubuntu memember or you want voting rights in say the TB etc?
[16:37] <sabdfl> indeed, there's no canonical requirement on apps
[16:37] <asomething> czajkowski, I've been an ubuntu-dev for years
[16:37] <czajkowski> asomething: so you'd like credit for that, I uderstand :)
[16:38] <asomething> czajkowski, no I want new contributors that are working on touch apps to be full members of the project
[16:38] <asomething> czajkowski, nothing to do about myself
[16:39] <czajkowski> asomething: cool so lets see if we can make this happen:) in some way
[16:40] <czajkowski> \o/
[16:42] <sabdfl> cheers all
[16:42] <dholbach> thanks :)
[16:45]  * dholbach hugs asomething
[16:45] <asomething> =)
[16:55] <asomething> posted a copy of my mail about suggesting a new community mailing list over on discourse: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/an-ubuntu-community-mailing-list/1241
[16:56] <dholbach> thanks asomething
[17:50] <popey> vthompson: ahayzen I'll setup your hangout in a bit and post the url here.
[17:51] <ahayzen> popey, thanks
[17:52] <vthompson> popey, cool thanks. Was wondering how that'd get done.
[18:01] <popey> vthompson: ahayzen https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpic2ir0rdanj2t33hq2cp34?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:01] <ahayzen> popey, thanks