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| JohnC | hola de que se trata esto? | 03:00 |
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| Neo31 | Hello, does the meeting start at 18:05 UTC ? | 07:13 |
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| fginther | good [morning|afternoon|evening|night] | 14:54 |
| fginther | cjohnston, do you know who is running this track? | 14:55 |
| ogasawara | fginther: hi, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpirvjdcq5ofrvqvkmkqslps?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:55 |
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| fginther | ogasawara, thanks! | 14:55 |
| fginther | cjohnston, Ursinha, want to join the hangout? | 14:58 |
| Ursinha | fginther, sure | 14:58 |
| cjohnston | not sure I need to | 14:58 |
| fginther | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpirvjdcq5ofrvqvkmkqslps?authuser=0&hl=en | 14:58 |
| Ursinha | cjohnston, worst case you won't say a thing :) | 14:59 |
| fginther | Saviq, want to join the hangout? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpirvjdcq5ofrvqvkmkqslps?authuser=0&hl=en | 15:00 |
| * tedg puts on his asbestos suit, let's rock! :-) | 15:03 | |
| dobey | tedg: heh | 15:03 |
| fginther | tedg, dobey, either of you want to join the hangout? | 15:03 |
| fginther | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpirvjdcq5ofrvqvkmkqslps?authuser=0&hl=en | 15:03 |
| fginther | anyone else ^ | 15:03 |
| dobey | i can i guess | 15:03 |
| tedg | fginther, Sure | 15:03 |
| * tedg does his hair | 15:04 | |
| Ursinha | haha | 15:04 |
| fginther | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpirvjdcq5ofrvqvkmkqslps?authuser=0&hl=en | 15:04 |
| josepht | lower thirds please :) | 15:07 |
| sergiusens | tedg, we did have ddebs for most of the manhattan stuff | 15:09 |
| tedg | sergiusens, Yeah, I know, I just want to ensure it's a feature into the future. | 15:09 |
| cwayne | what is the timeframe for these changes? | 15:11 |
| cwayne | awesome, thanks | 15:14 |
| dobey | no lower third with no camera :) | 15:16 |
| dobey | josepht: ^^ just saw your comment | 15:16 |
| sergiusens | I have lots of questions, but they don't seem in scope | 15:18 |
| sergiusens | how is the emulator going to solve the ci problems? | 15:18 |
| fginther | sergiusens, ask anyway :-) | 15:18 |
| sergiusens | is click testing tied to the emulator? | 15:18 |
| cwayne | there is still going to be *some* actual hw testing right? | 15:19 |
| cwayne | or will that just be sergiusens's papi testing? | 15:19 |
| sergiusens | Saviq, we actually don't do that for clicks either | 15:20 |
| tedg | Saviq, I've always viewed QML as a cry for help, nice to hear you say so too! ;-) | 15:20 |
| sergiusens | cwayne, lol, I cannot not laugh when reading papi testing | 15:20 |
| dobey | heh | 15:20 |
| cwayne | sergiusens, lol i know, i love it | 15:20 |
| mzanetti | :D | 15:21 |
| cwayne | but is that testing going to be the only hw testing now? | 15:21 |
| cwayne | i mean, we do need some level of hw testing obviously, but i see where it would make more sense for apps to be tested on emulators | 15:22 |
| dobey | there really should be no reason to test on actual hardware, for things that don't talk directly to hardware; for mir it makes sense, for a unity scope, not so much | 15:22 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: well, you could probably hook into the JS engine and check read/write access of public properties | 15:23 |
| mzanetti | tedg: in qml _every_ line is "executed" at startup | 15:23 |
| tedg | mzanetti, Okay, I've got some recommendations for speeding up startup then :-) | 15:23 |
| mzanetti | tedg: you need to read it to know when to creat it | 15:24 |
| mzanetti | so you need to read the file at least once. and that's what happening - at the startup | 15:24 |
| cwayne | dobey, right, i'm +1 ont hat, but just making sure we will still have some baremetal testing, even if it is just for mir for example | 15:24 |
| tedg | mzanetti, You need to read the file, but you don't need to create objects based on it or parse deeper than "oh, I'll need this someday" | 15:25 |
| mzanetti | Sarvatt: but that you can count | 15:25 |
| mzanetti | Saviq: ^ - but sure it's really not trivial | 15:25 |
| Saviq | mzanetti, yeah, for bindings, we'd have to see whether all the branches were executed | 15:26 |
| mzanetti | tedg: well, depending on how you write it, they are not created. but still interpreted | 15:26 |
| doanac` | real h/w testing will continue. we just want to find a better balance between that and virtualized to increase scalability and reliability. | 15:26 |
| cwayne | +1 on that | 15:26 |
| cwayne | i'd +more-than-1 if i could :) | 15:26 |
| tedg | mzanetti, Makes sense, so code coverage would be when objects are created, not interpreted. | 15:26 |
| sergiusens | fginther, click packages require ubuntu touch | 15:27 |
| mzanetti | tedg: I'm thinking more about "used" instead of "created". but yeah, something along those lines | 15:27 |
| fginther | sergiusens, wouldn't that work on a touch emulator? | 15:27 |
| Ursinha | sergiusens, join the hangout? :) | 15:27 |
| sergiusens | fginther, I suggest you try to run the emulator on the cloud now that it's there ;-) | 15:27 |
| dobey | sergiusens: can you add the lower third? | 15:33 |
| sergiusens | dobey, sure, should be automatic :-) | 15:34 |
| fginther | ogasawara, you can close the hangout now | 15:34 |
| ogasawara | thanks, will do | 15:35 |
| doanac` | thanks fginther | 15:36 |
| fginther | thanks all! | 15:36 |
| cwayne | thanks guys! | 15:37 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-core-1 to: Track: Core | Low battery handling during boot | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22108/core-1311-low-battery-boot-mode/ | ||
| ogasawara | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi1hhd2cgo0j1h4c242ik7k?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | lool, want to be in the fishbowl ? | 16:02 |
| ogasawara | apw, lool, rsalveti: ^^ fyi | 16:02 |
| rsalveti | joining in | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi1hhd2cgo0j1h4c242ik7k?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | sforshee, intrested in being in the fishbowl ? | 16:06 |
| ricmm | im interested | 16:07 |
| ricmm | to not talk | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:07 |
| sforshee | ogra_: I'll jump in if needed | 16:07 |
| sforshee | ogra_: I'm a bit under the weather, so if I don't have anything to contribute then there's no reason to make everyone watch me blowing my nose ;-) | 16:08 |
| lool | heya | 16:09 |
| lool | which is that | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi1hhd2cgo0j1h4c242ik7k?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:09 |
| sforshee | rsalveti: you don't want powerd, if anything upower | 16:12 |
| sforshee | rsalveti: but the battery information is in /sys/class/power_supply | 16:12 |
| sforshee | ogra_: the kernel provides the abstraction: /sys/class/power_supply | 16:13 |
| sforshee | though some logic is needed to figure out the right place to get the battery status | 16:13 |
| sforshee | let me join | 16:14 |
| cking | the reliability of the data can be platform specific though | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | ChickenCutlass, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi1hhd2cgo0j1h4c242ik7k?authuser=0&hl=en | 16:16 |
| * cking notes that a 1% charge could be a long time on some large batteries | 16:16 | |
| cking | some devices, 1% may be a very short time, so it may be device specific, e.g. 5 mins? 10 mins? 20 seconds? ;-) | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-core-1311-low-battery-boot-mode | 16:18 |
| jodh | ogra_: /etc/init/friendly-recovery.conf | 16:25 |
| jodh | ogra_: we just need to change /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init to pass the custom startup event see last line of that file. | 16:26 |
| jodh | ogra_: last 2 lines :) | 16:26 |
| jodh | ogra_: subvert the boot if battery is low (as above). When battery level > some threshold, "initctl emit startup" to resume normal boot. | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:32 |
| jodh | np! :) | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | ogasawara, you can stop the recording | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | and thanks all, for coming !" | 16:37 |
| ogasawara | ogra_: thanks, done. | 16:37 |
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| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-core-1 to: Track: Core | Ubuntu Touch Emulator | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22113/core-1311-touch-emulator/ | ||
| * rsalveti waves | 17:59 | |
| rsalveti | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpiorbncb4s4j02ib1noi6is?authuser=0&hl=en it seems | 18:00 |
| rsalveti | http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-core-1311-touch-emulator | 18:01 |
| rsalveti | pmcgowan: ^ | 18:01 |
| rsalveti | is zoltan around? | 18:02 |
| pmcgowan | rsalveti, he is but cannot joing the HO | 18:02 |
| alecu | hola! | 18:02 |
| rsalveti | we need someone from CI | 18:02 |
| rsalveti | plars: ^? | 18:03 |
| dkessel | is there already some preview version of the emulator? | 18:03 |
| rsalveti | dkessel: yup | 18:03 |
| rsalveti | dkessel: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg05195.html | 18:03 |
| dkessel | rsalveti, ah, a normal package... nice :) | 18:05 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: I do not join to the hangout because I am still mute | 18:05 |
| pmcgowan | bzoltan, ping me if I need to hop on the session | 18:08 |
| bzoltan | pmcgowan: OK | 18:08 |
| bzoltan | Yes | 18:12 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: Yes, | 18:12 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: Yes, you start the emlator and it works with the QtC out of box | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan, oh, it does already ? | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | thats cool | 18:13 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: The emulator is just an adb device | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | (and fast ... for two days) | 18:13 |
| bzoltan | ALL | 18:14 |
| ogra_ | :) | 18:14 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: we backport to PQRS | 18:14 |
| bzoltan | packaging is cool | 18:14 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 18:14 |
| Neo31 | packaging yes | 18:15 |
| janimo | it's cool unless the target is fast moving :) | 18:15 |
| bzoltan | at the SDK team we move fast ... | 18:15 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: we need to fix the adb port forwarding and small things | 18:16 |
| bzoltan | +1 | 18:17 |
| bzoltan | yes | 18:18 |
| bzoltan | it is a single line | 18:18 |
| ogra_ | whats wrong with ssh ? | 18:18 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: QtC uses adb | 18:18 |
| bzoltan | No | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | I need to fix the QtC scripts | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | Yes | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | It is QtC side | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | :D | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | there is a delay | 18:19 |
| bzoltan | sorry | 18:19 |
| ogra_ | are we ? i thought we grab the tarball from scimge | 18:20 |
| ogra_ | *cdimage | 18:20 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: may I have a minimal rootsrap to use as a builder? We have click chroot as main target... but a fully emulated native builder would be cool as fallback | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan, that will be slow as hell | 18:21 |
| bzoltan | rsalveti: or an R&D enabled image | 18:21 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: it is not that slow ... | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan, qemu only emulates a 400MHz single core | 18:22 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: I just have built the UITK in the emulator | 18:22 |
| sergiusens | bzoltan, did you try building on the emulator? | 18:22 |
| sergiusens | and thats faster that a qemu chroot? | 18:22 |
| bzoltan | sergiusens: I did not _TRY_ | 18:22 |
| bzoltan | sergiusens: I did :) | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan, if you want a qemu-system based emulator to build in there are way better options | 18:22 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: I know ... | 18:23 |
| ogra_ | (we have a qemu highbank option afaik ... ) | 18:23 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: I need to talk to you about it | 18:23 |
| ogra_ | sure | 18:23 |
| ogra_ | :) | 18:23 |
| fginther | plars, has emulator on a VM (cloud) been discussed? | 18:23 |
| plars | fginther: not yet | 18:23 |
| plars | fginther: should be possible I would think, but it may be awfully slow | 18:24 |
| fginther | plars, sergiusens expressed some concerns other then slowness in a prior session | 18:24 |
| plars | fginther: I was going to ask about it, since I know it's something we want to do :) | 18:24 |
| fginther | thx | 18:24 |
| Saviq | Ctrl+F12 to rotate | 18:29 |
| Saviq | ChickenCutlass, rsalveti, sergiusens ↑ | 18:29 |
| ChickenCutlass | Saviq, nice | 18:29 |
| ChickenCutlass | ok | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | wow | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | that works really nicely | 18:30 |
| Saviq | ogra_, didn't rotate the browser for me, though | 18:30 |
| ogra_ | well, still booting here | 18:31 |
| ogra_ | but i can rotate while it boots :) | 18:31 |
| ogra_ | lol | 18:31 |
| ogra_ | and comes up sideways | 18:31 |
| Saviq | ogra_, see! it emulates real life ;) | 18:31 |
| MacSlow | ogra_, Saviq: true real-world case :) | 18:31 |
| ogra_ | heh | 18:31 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: awesome, need to give it a try | 18:32 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, so it just looks like the sensor does not give up the rotation change | 18:32 |
| Saviq | rsalveti, so just more hw enablement | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | Saviq: right | 18:32 |
| ogra_ | yeah, browser is sideways here | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | should be easy to fix :-) | 18:32 |
| ogra_ | i guess we need some sensor hook-up | 18:32 |
| jdstrand | QUESTION: can we look into a snapshot option? it doesn't have to be complicated-- use qcow2 disk and add --snapshot and --revert options to run-emulator. this will allow developers to easily revert to a pristine snapshot, which is highly useful for testing | 18:33 |
| ogra_ | poer button doesnt work either etc ... i guess thats similar | 18:33 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, only if that ancient qemu supports that ... and we dont have qcow images atm | 18:33 |
| jdstrand | ancient qemu should support snaphost, but if not you could also use backing store | 18:34 |
| jdstrand | s/snaphost/snapshot/ | 18:34 |
| asac | so feels if we do real driver testing we need a maas cloud | 18:34 |
| Saviq | FYI: more keyboard shortcuts http://developer.android.com/tools/help/emulator.html#KeyMapping | 18:34 |
| asac | so we can provision on bare metal etc. | 18:34 |
| asac | or can we share drivers across multiple VMs? | 18:34 |
| ogra_ | what do you mean by drivers exactly ? | 18:35 |
| jdstrand | technically, it could be opt in-- you could use qemu-img to convert to qcow2 after downloading the image | 18:35 |
| asac | if we have servers with GPUs :) | 18:35 |
| ogra_ | oh, yeah, the server definitely needs the GPU | 18:35 |
| asac | we could run them on bare metal and use GL properly... otherwise i assumed we would just run against software mesa | 18:35 |
| ogra_ | most likely even running X | 18:35 |
| asac | etc. | 18:35 |
| asac | in virtual... but might be too slow | 18:35 |
| ogra_ | or xvfb ... not sure that provides GL | 18:36 |
| asac | right. but our current machines ... namely otto etc. are always busted | 18:36 |
| asac | because we do raw GPU testing | 18:36 |
| ogra_ | then we need a dedicated machine | 18:36 |
| asac | so we need maas to automatically recover rather then alwys do manual maintenance | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | image snapshotting doesn't have to be complicated btw. people can get super clever-- only really need snapshot and revert to snapshot | 18:36 |
| ogra_ | desktop class machine ... | 18:36 |
| asac | desktop is where the test machines always hang | 18:37 |
| asac | because of GPU crashes | 18:37 |
| asac | -> e.g. that should be maas with automatically reflashing machines with a safe iamge | 18:37 |
| ogra_ | asac, right, it wouldnt put any load on the GPU | 18:37 |
| ogra_ | but it needs something at the desktop end to hand through the GL | 18:37 |
| ogra_ | so you need some X server/Xvfb etc running | 18:37 |
| asac | sure. X would run etc. | 18:38 |
| asac | if we want to use pass through... still needs to be maased etc. | 18:38 |
| asac | IT WILL MESS UP TIMEOUTS :) | 18:39 |
| jdstrand | ogra_: what version of qemu is it based on? | 18:39 |
| asac | and we should fix those | 18:39 |
| asac | hehe | 18:39 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, dunno, but likely older than your grandma ... | 18:39 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti knwos i think | 18:39 |
| ogra_ | 0.9 or some such ? | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | I was doing backing stores with qemu a *long* time ago | 18:40 |
| asac | i think the emulator is well usable ... even though pretty slow. the problem i see is just how i can do gestures. can we mayb hook the buttons up to various gestures? | 18:40 |
| asac | like the home button gets the swipe to home? | 18:40 |
| ChickenCutlass | asac, yes, that would be good. | 18:40 |
| asac | rsalveti: ChickenCutlass: ^^ | 18:41 |
| doanac` | do we have a ppa from the emulator or is it just packaged for trusty? | 18:41 |
| ogra_ | asac, the buttons should go away | 18:41 |
| asac | oh already answered | 18:41 |
| sergiusens | I thought we'd remove all buttons :-P | 18:41 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 18:41 |
| asac | ogra_: we can use different images... doing a swipe is not very easy with mouse | 18:41 |
| ogra_ | well, we should keep power and volume | 18:41 |
| asac | and especially in slowness for now | 18:41 |
| ogra_ | asac, works for me ... you need to be patient :) | 18:41 |
| * Saviq just started a unity8 autopilot run | 18:41 | |
| asac | so having a button to do a full left/right/up/down swipe | 18:41 |
| asac | would be good for productivity | 18:41 |
| ChickenCutlass | ogra_, asac the performance is good for me. | 18:42 |
| ogra_ | yeah, same here | 18:42 |
| ChickenCutlass | need to wait until the system settles | 18:42 |
| asac | if it is triggered by emulator | 18:42 |
| Saviq | please let's not hook into unity | 18:42 |
| asac | it should come from hardware as a swipe at best :) | 18:42 |
| Saviq | or well, at most through autopilot | 18:42 |
| Saviq | UInputError: "/dev/uinput" does not exist or is not a character device file | 18:43 |
| Saviq | plars, ↑ when trying to run autopilot tests | 18:43 |
| ogra_ | Saviq, autopilot wont be there for devs (for their brandnew app they test) | 18:43 |
| Saviq | ogra_, ap is seeded | 18:43 |
| ogra_ | sure | 18:43 |
| ogra_ | but if you are $random_dev you want to get your app done | 18:43 |
| asac | yeah maas is a CI engine topic to explore | 18:43 |
| asac | e.g. how to provisionm good worker nodes for the emulator | 18:44 |
| jdstrand | I'm curious now | 18:44 |
| MacSlow | Question: Will there be (command-line) switches to select a specific device to emulate (N4, N10 etc)? | 18:44 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, lol, no | 18:44 |
| jdstrand | I think I'll play with something (ridiculously rough) to see if we can do backing stores or snapshots | 18:44 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, it is completely based on the goldfish qemu emulator from google | 18:44 |
| MacSlow | ogra_, ok | 18:45 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, to get other device emu, you would have to write a complete qemu machine that emulates that device | 18:45 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, currently we are limited to a single core 400MHz CPU with 512M ram | 18:45 |
| Saviq | ogra_, probably depends on what MacSlow meant to select a device | 18:46 |
| Saviq | ogra_, one of the more important things is the resolution, which obviously would be available | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | we will enable different screen resolutions | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | that was discussed | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | but we cant easily emulate another HW | 18:46 |
| asac | rsalveti: ChickenCutlass: also we want landscape/portrait mode | 18:46 |
| Saviq | yeah, not sure what else is different between devices | 18:46 |
| asac | is that something the emulator need to support? | 18:46 |
| ChickenCutlass | asac, yup, already covered that | 18:46 |
| MacSlow | ogra_, Saviq: well mostly default orientation and resolution... CPU/GPU not so much atm | 18:46 |
| asac | ah ok | 18:46 |
| asac | thanks | 18:46 |
| Saviq | asac, Ctrl+F12 | 18:46 |
| ChickenCutlass | asac, already does | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, that will be supported | 18:47 |
| MacSlow | ogra_, ok | 18:47 |
| asac | ok. nice on accell and orientation | 18:47 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, that was mostly about resolutions | 18:47 |
| asac | is someone from sdk in the sessionm? | 18:48 |
| bzoltan | _YES_ | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | asac, bzoltan is here | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | (all the time) | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | :) | 18:48 |
| asac | well. you cant see that in hyoutube | 18:48 |
| bzoltan | I am listening | 18:48 |
| asac | if you dont have a pic :) | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | he isnt in the hangout | 18:48 |
| asac | would be nice to hear what the sdk vision is | 18:49 |
| asac | though | 18:49 |
| asac | anyway :) | 18:49 |
| asac | yeah ok | 18:49 |
| bzoltan | I am here! | 18:49 |
| ogra_ | was discussed above | 18:49 |
| bzoltan | :) | 18:49 |
| ogra_ | read the backlog | 18:49 |
| bzoltan | asac: I am temporarily mute | 18:49 |
| asac | ok sorry | 18:49 |
| Saviq | there's prior art on QtCreator + emulator | 18:49 |
| asac | hard to catch up on a video stream :) | 18:49 |
| Saviq | for MeeGo at least | 18:49 |
| asac | and then match the irc backlog | 18:49 |
| asac | hehe | 18:49 |
| Ursinha | lol | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | asac, yeah, the important stuff happened in the IRC channel anyway | 18:50 |
| bzoltan | Saviq: I know... I was working on it :) | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | ignore the guys on youtube :P | 18:50 |
| Saviq | bzoltan, good! | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | they just fill the pad over there | 18:50 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: they should join here and stop the crap there :) | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 18:50 |
| bzoltan | good stuff | 18:51 |
| Saviq | o/ | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 18:51 |
| MacSlow | Question: Regarding autopilot... ap-test passing on real hardware, but failing on the emulator will be considered an autopilot-binding bug on the emulator, right?! | 18:51 |
| bzoltan | MacSlow: nomen est omen :) | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | MacSlow, they will have to be researched | 18:51 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, rather a bug in the test | 18:52 |
| rsalveti | emulator will be the first target | 18:52 |
| ogra_ | we cant just blame the emulator, we have to look at the reasoning etc | 18:52 |
| rsalveti | can't fail in the emulator | 18:52 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, really? | 18:52 |
| rsalveti | can fail in devices, but still be critical | 18:52 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, if something would fail on the emulator, but pass on devices | 18:52 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, means it wouldn't pass on a high-load device either | 18:52 |
| jdstrand | ah | 18:53 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, 'cause that would just be timing-related | 18:53 |
| jdstrand | version 0.12.0 | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | jdstrand, oh, that new ! | 18:53 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, so you'll need to make the test more robust | 18:53 |
| jdstrand | external/qemu/Changelog | 18:53 |
| * ogra_ expected older actually | 18:53 | |
| MacSlow | Saviq, ok... in that particular case (timing) I'd agree... | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | o would have put my bets on 0.8 or 0.9 | 18:53 |
| jdstrand | so, qemu-img still defaults to compat=0.10 | 18:53 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, any other reason - as ogra_ said, would need to be investigatesd | 18:53 |
| Saviq | -s | 18:53 |
| jdstrand | so I think we should be ok with at least backing store (which is usable) | 18:53 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, but that should be really rare | 18:54 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, I hope so | 18:54 |
| rsalveti | jdstrand: cool | 18:54 |
| MacSlow | I'm good | 18:54 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, good thing is - Ubuntu in there doesn't even know it's running on an emulator | 18:54 |
| jdstrand | so, let me play with this | 18:54 |
| rsalveti | jdstrand: :D | 18:54 |
| jdstrand | I can resurrect some old scripts and maybe hand them off | 18:54 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, from our PoV it's just another device - albeit a slow one | 18:54 |
| Saviq | summary time | 18:54 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, ~4 times slower than a N10 I'd say | 18:55 |
| jdstrand | oh, that was fast. /me found the scripts :) | 18:56 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, ogra_: I'll give it a shot tomorrow | 18:56 |
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