=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html === tvoss_ is now known as tvoss|test === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss [10:13] Salut [15:33] hi === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Rick Spencer | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ [16:54] o/ [16:58] hi [16:58] i speak romanian [16:59] o/ [17:00] o/ [17:00] jono: yes, you're live [17:00] live! [17:00] as live as any other time [17:00] he scare the crap uot of me [17:00] jono, i can see u :) [17:01] yep [17:01] je pensais que c'était un canal français [17:01] Looking good [17:01] thopey [17:01] Good. What's the round-trip time, irc-video-ears? [17:01] vlotho non [17:01] hi [17:01] hello [17:01] anybody other than me not a developer but just interested? [17:02] me [17:02] me [17:02] well [17:02] I'm kinda developer but just interested also [17:02] lenz: lots of non-devs [17:02] howdy! [17:02] Let's not have polls and greetings, all. === Anonymous is now known as Guest85645 [17:02] Sur [17:02] Sure* [17:02] oh god hopefully no spams [17:03] like this: "QUESTION: what is your opinion on jono's musical taste?" [17:03] hahah [17:03] lol [17:03] * dholbach hugs mhall119 [17:03] :D [17:03] :D [17:03] oh no break [17:03] mhall119, I think it's some kind of "religious metal" [17:03] dholbach: it's not lullaby metal [17:03] I am also dead! [17:04] s/not/now/ [17:04] who is this jcastro ? [17:04] get your questions in! [17:04] QUESTION: what is your daily driver phone? [17:04] I've heard that jcastro is dead, can someone reboot him? [17:04] do you hear weird voices from jcastro mhall119 ? [17:04] QUESTION: Rick: Do you have any travel-and-learn-the-local-language trips planned next? [17:04] I'm pretty sure someone turned him off [17:05] QUESTION other phone then nexus will the be a installer like cryonmod did [17:05] balloons: yes, sometimes when I'm alone in a quiet room I hear "You should charm that" or "Post it on discourse!" [17:05] tedg: Don't reboot. Instances are ephemeral. Just spin up a new one. :P [17:05] QUESTION: Tell us about the plans for the traditional desktop through to the next LTS (if you're clever you'll notice that that's not a question) [17:05] QUESTION: For both Jono and Rick, what do you find the most exciting about this UDS? [17:05] QUESTION: why the graphical is so heavy? are U planning some day to get back to some light desktop? [17:05] QUESTION: How much do you communicate with the volunteer developers (That don't work for canonical)? [17:05] QUESTION: what will the minimum price be for a paid-for Ubuntu app? [17:06] i need to get my ubuntu laptop cool [17:06] QUESTION: What problems might we expect in trying to support an OS until 2019 right when we're thinking about enormous convergence changes and churn in what's happening right after the LTS is out the door? [17:06] QUESTION: are there any guidelines for ad-supported Ubuntu apps? Specific ad providers, etc; do I need to coordinate that with Canonical? [17:06] jono, video is live [17:06] QUESTION: What is your goal for ubuntu touch, do you think it is realistic to be as high status as android/windows phone/iOS? [17:06] aquarius: I'm intersted in that too, do you have any ad frameworks you think we should support? [17:07] Hmm I dont get video [17:07] lool: try refreshing [17:07] is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUL4Oq6uCw ? [17:07] I tried [17:07] getting Please stand by after refresh [17:07] QUESTION: As a Kubuntu/Xubuntu user can you confirm that the flavours are and always will be part of the Ubuntu community? I'm often hearing that some of the flavours might break way and align themselves with other distros. [17:07] lool: [17:07] lool: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ [17:07] it works there [17:07] lool: for me it works. already for 7m. [17:07] Question: I understand that the focus for Ubuntu Touch is tablets next year, so when can we expect an ubuntu phone either in the stores, or perhaps more importantly, fully functional and deliverable for users that are able to install it themselves? [17:07] QUESTION: Is higher performance and less resource-heavy expected for Unity? [17:07] lool: you could try the youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUL4Oq6uCw [17:08] Othechtur: put "question" in caps [17:08] bah neither work for me for some reason [17:08] t1mp: ack, that's the same as I just pasted [17:08] QUESTION: I understand that the focus for Ubuntu Touch is tablets next year, so when can we expect an ubuntu phone either in the stores, or perhaps more importantly, fully functional and deliverable for users that are able to install it themselves? [17:08] thx Moony22 [17:08] nop [17:08] np* [17:09] yay for dc! [17:09] mhall119, well... at the moment you are not allowed to use Google AdSense in mobile HTML apps. you have to use the AdMob SDK for mobile apps... and it doesn't exist for Ubuntu. Madvertise allows us to embed HTML5 apps into anything we want, but they're very small. (I have a little QML component that wraps it here, if you're interested.) I think that getting AdMob to support Ubuntu will require business [17:09] discussions between Canonical and Google...? [17:09] QUESTION: is the current focus on Golang means that it's the official langage to replace python ? [17:09] * mhall119 still jealous of dholbach's travel [17:09] ah works in chromium now (instead of chrome) [17:09] * dholbach hugs mhall119 [17:10] lool [17:10] lool: open-source wins again :) [17:10] FREEDOM [17:11] QUESTION in 14.04 will we be able to select unity8/Mir from lightdm if we install some extra packages for that? [17:11] QUESTION: How are you going to go about making ubuntu more well known? [17:11] QUESTION: With the direction of Gnome is going for example: Client side decoration, The way nautilus is going, empathy removing features etc. How is Ubuntu planning to deal with it? I mean stay forever with old version of gnome or perhaps develop core-apps in house? [17:11] QUESTION: Why is Ubuntu moving to QT? [17:11] because Qt is awesome [17:12] doubly so on mobile [17:12] mhall119, we should chat about the ads thing though. I was going to made Riddling have ads, in order to test the concept out, but it didn't fit the design [17:12] we love ubuntu this is the message I want to share on behalf of entire Indian ubuntu users [17:12] QUESTION: what are plans for an Office suite on UbuntuTouch ? maybe an UbuntuOffice based on Calligra ? ;-) [17:13] QUESTION: I seen the vds session about the about having a server for the updates and feeds. I am still confused about this "central server". Are you going to be passing all info like tweets and fbook posts ect . Or is it just going to be for updates? [17:13] akshay, and we love to have users like you ! [17:13] :) [17:13] QUESTION: What are the plans for Ubuntu One Contact Sync, it failed with 12.04 with no warning, and I've been told repeatedly that it will be coming back.... I think it's really important for Phone. [17:14] unity 8 will be much much lighter [17:15] QUESTION: are there plans to develop a phone like ubuntu edge although the kickstarter campaign failed? [17:15] Question:when we can expect Ubuntu edge in indian market. [17:15] I really want to see unity 8 working =) [17:16] mikeWasouski, get a nexus 4 :) [17:16] I think I'll do [17:17] (or wait a bit and get a nexus5) [17:17] aquarius: ONE MEELION DOLLARS [17:18] rickspencer3: 0 dollars [17:18] 0.00000001 btc? [17:18] Chipaca: Inflation is a horrid thing [17:18] QUESTION: will click packages support bitcoin payments? [17:19] AlanBell, there are no plans to do so, no [17:19] Chipaca, I am hoping that it's not £3 :( [17:20] since I am a newbie ubuntu user, I saw most apps first are designed for windows. So , when it will be that the app will be released for ubuntu platforms as it releases for windows at same time. [17:20] aquarius: Isn't there things that are cheaper than 3 in the software center currently though? [17:20] fagan: no [17:20] fagan, I don't think so? [17:20] Question:when we will be able to purchase software from Ubuntu software centre in indian currency are you planning ? [17:20] * fagan checks out of interest [17:21] QUESTION: as Qt is already Xplatform, can we imagine Ubuntu touch apps on windows, mac os, android ? [17:21] akshay, no plans to add indian currency at the moment either, no [17:21] :( [17:21] akshay, why does the currency matter when paying with a credit card? [17:22] beuno: that would be a relatively easy and cheap unique selling point for the store IMHO [17:22] we indian usually dont use credit card [17:22] heh. Happy to sell software rather than ads, as long as minimum price isn't £3, hence the previous question ;) [17:22] beuno: because it displays $3 and not local currency [17:22] QUESTION: looking at last ~2 years since previous LTS, is there anything you would do differently wrt Ubuntu? [17:22] QUESTION: Talked to Adobe about Photoshop yet? [17:22] AlanBell, well, not cheap to implement, as it's an interesting amount of engineering, but most importantly, it'll be confined to developers who accept bitcoins, which is a pretty small market at the moment [17:23] lenzeor: Good question :) [17:23] QUESTION: Will Unity 8 look radically different on the desktop or very much like Unity 7... [17:23] akshay, so how would you pay for the apps? [17:23] one platform for all device I like this vision [17:23] beuno, next time you go to buy anything it'll say "Price: 100 Indian rupees" and you won't know how much that is. That's akshay's current experience ;) [17:23] right, we can show aproximate costs in local currencies, probably [17:23] Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers [17:24] beuno: yeah, a bit of engineering time, but you don't have to pay a payment processor for transactions or to join in [17:24] but that doesn't seem to be what akshay is getting at [17:24] lenzeor: Adobe creative cloud is from the browser, did you check that out? [17:25] Hello, I wonder if some time now and are going to start selling mobile devices with Ubuntu Phone? Thanks.... Ubuntu the best OS :) [17:25] :) [17:27] QUESTION: Are there any apps from the phone that might make it this cycle into Ubuntu desktop? (other than the social app thing) [17:27] yes! that's what I want, click apps on the desktop! [17:27] QUESTION: Would Ubuntu Touch support 3rd party stores (in the same way Android has multiple stores [Amazon, F-Droid etc]) or do you see Ubuntu Touch being like iOS where there's only one allowed store? [17:27] QUESTION: is it intentional that you wear a T-Shirt that makes me want to click the youtube window to check for mail all the time ? [17:27] jcastro: same here I can't wait for some of them like the reddit app :) [17:28] jcastro: click packages won't be installable on 14.04 on desktop [17:28] click apps on the desktop> we had a session on that this morning which I'd encourage you to review [17:28] AIUI [17:28] popey, only one central store, but allowing third-parties to have their custom sections in it [17:28] popey, :( [17:28] ah excellent cjw is here ☻ [17:28] QUESTION: is there a solid plan for how to support upgrading from 12.10 to 14.04? (wrt 13.04 support ending before 12.10 support - all discussions i read about with this are several months old. did anything new happen about this during UDS?) [17:28] we may make it possible if you're using a mir-based session or something similar - as I say, review this morning's session [17:28] jcastro, problem is that click packages come with security assumptions, and those security assumptions can't be enforced if you're in X :( They're looking at enabling it with Mir stuff though [17:28] Question: Is it possible to have Ubuntu flavor for the Arduino or Raspberry Pi embedded boards for experimental device construction? [17:28] popey: technically anybody can add a scope to the Applications lens that gives suggestions for apps in a separate store [17:29] Here is the session for that, thanks cjwatson: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22035/core-1311-clicks-in-unity7/ [17:29] oh! ignore me, listen to cjwatson, he Knows :) [17:29] also the emulator will be available, and even if we don't offer them to users in general we should be able to help developers to test their own stuff more easily [17:29] aquarius: well, we're agreeing violently [17:29] sk92: I am doing a project at the moment to compile for the pi http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 [17:29] do you guys in chat know how useable ubuntu touch for phones is today? wrt buggyness and such. [17:29] cjwatson, go team [17:29] Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers [17:29] Othechtur: I've been using it as my only phone on a nexus 4 since late July [17:30] mhall119, technically anyone can add a scope, but you can't install it; can't install as a deb or you lose system updates, can't install as a click package 'cos they can't do scopes yet :( [17:30] Othechtur: it's completely usable, the only thing I suffer from is lack of a few apps [17:30] Question: Is there any work to "recompile/port" "normal applications" (Normal just meaning applications that are available on the desktop today) to touch/phone platform, rather than only creating "new apps" using the SDK? [17:30] aquarius: true, but IIRC jdstrand and team are looking into ways to support delivering scopes via click package [17:30] mhall119, they are, and hooray [17:31] Hello, what about Ubuntu TV? [17:31] Question: Will you be able to install ubuntu TV on computers [17:31] There is a mailing list too for Go QML stuff too [17:31] mhall119, although I'd love love love to see the generic json scope along with that, as I have ranted at dpm in great detail about previously ;) [17:31] mhall119: oh my, because i am thinking about buying a new phone but i wasnt sure how ready ubuntu touch is, but perhaps i should buy the nexus 4 then? :D [17:31] Hello, what about Ubuntu TV? [17:32] Dubstep: rdimitri23 you don't need to keep repeating questions [17:32] aquarius: we're still waiting for you to deliver the generic json scope for us to include ;) [17:32] aquarius, indeed, but remember you need to extend the ranting to mhr3 and thostr_ :) [17:32] rdimitri23, you might want to prefix your questions with "QUESTION", and ask only once, please :) [17:32] Othechtur: Nexus 4 is the best supported hardware, so it's the one I would recommend [17:32] rdimitri23: Mark answered that in his keynote, its on the backburner but will be eventually there in the future [17:32] mhall119, I started roughing it out. Problem is that I can't write C :) [17:32] mhall119, and it needs a little bit of help from the scope runner, sadly :( [17:33] mhall119, Nexus 4 is out now, are there plan to support the new Nexus 5 ? [17:33] QUESTION: What difficulties were/are there with using python on the touch platform? [17:34] Neo31: not yet, but I think they are investigating how much would would be involved to support it's hardware [17:34] are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? [17:34] Nino, you need to write QUESTION: in front of your question so that Rick will see it [17:34] Definitely the websites are so much better than when I started using Ubuntu [17:35] ah ok thanks aquarius [17:35] QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? [17:36] fagan, https://web.archive.org/web/20041106014450/http://www.ubuntu.com/ :) [17:36] jcastro: yep that was the one I remember :) [17:36] plone powered, lol [17:36] QUESTION: what do you think of the server? [17:37] zul: you might want to be more specific in your question === RandomGuyWatchin is now known as RandomPerson [17:37] What is the advantage of Ubuntu phone OS over Android, like, they both have evolved from the same OS family of Linux., How can you promote it as better than Android? For ex: Ubuntu can do this and android cannot. [17:37] QUESTION: is it possible to dock the Nexus 4 to a screen through HDMI and still be able to dock other USB devices? if so what hardware could be used? === RandomPerson is now known as RandomWatchUDS [17:38] sk92: If you want rick to answer it you have to put QUESTION at the start of the question [17:38] QUESTION:What is the advantage of Ubuntu phone OS over Android, like, they both have evolved from the same OS family of Linux., How can you promote it as better than Android? For ex: Ubuntu can do this and android cannot. [17:39] QUESTION: QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? [17:39] is there a hangout for this session ? [17:39] Neo31: nope its just a Q&A im pretty sure you just ask the questions here and they will be answered [17:40] Neo31: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22124/rick-spencer-vp-of-ubuntu-engineering-qa-questions-welcome/ [17:40] sk92, because it's Ubuntu :) having the same feeling that you have in your desktop is awesome :) (that's only my opinion :)) [17:40] sk92: Ubuntu can be usable on a desktop/laptop [17:40] QUESTION: Why is there no export function for the Ubuntu One Contacts on the web site. [17:40] Ursinha: how are you finding your first week on it? [17:40] also, all of Ubuntu is open source [17:40] thanks asdfadsa u got the link fagan [17:41] QUESTION: What will the Ubuntu server team do about systemd, enterprise server vendors will be moving to this, will you make it available as an option so Ubuntu can be adaptable to both? [17:41] fagan, I hated it the first hour because I was trying to use it as android, when I started using as Ubuntu I fell in love [17:41] blueadept, you can grab the U1DB with your contacts [17:41] fagan, I really like it [17:41] Ursinha: I still have to get a phone that can run it. Im on the galaxy nexus S and its awkward :-/ [17:41] oh [17:42] fagan, I have a nexus 4, so it's well supported [17:42] Ursinha: I should check if there is some way. Last time I checked it wasn't [17:42] QUESTION: are you going te change the ubuntu? in a different theme? [17:43] Nino, no need to repeat the question, jono is reading them sequentially [17:43] Nino: you only need to ask once, there's a queue of questions they're getting through as fast as they can [17:43] not all questions will be answered though, as we're nearly out of time and still have a lot of questions outstanding [17:43] ok i'm sorry [17:44] QUESTION: Now that Nexus 4 is out are there plans to support the new Nexus 5 soon? [17:45] bye all [17:46] there was a session earlier today about "desktop-ify-ing" the touch apps, if anybody is interested in that you should go back and watch the video [17:46] ogra_, lol [17:46] Outside the phone, what is your recommended platform for testing Ubuntu Touch (For those who can't or don't want to buy a second phone but still want to try out Ubuntu Touch) [17:46] bladernr: you can runs apps and Unity8 (in a window) on the desktop [17:46] bladernr, the emulator would be used for that [17:46] bladernr: there is also a new emulator [17:47] jono, lol [17:47] mhall119:sure, but an emulator on my non-touch desktop isnt' the same as running natively on a tocuh enabled tablet of other device [17:47] jono, LOL [17:47] Upgrades from Quantal to Trusty will be supported [17:47] QUESTION: Are there plans to support Dart on Ubuntu Touch? [17:47] bladernr: true, but that's the best that can be offered short of an actual device [17:48] ananızı sikim [17:48] :) [17:48] Wow foveal is a word ive never heard before [17:48] yay AlanBell! post the link [17:49] linky http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 [17:49] QUESTION: will the 2013 nexus 7 really not be supported? if so, why? [17:49] ++ [17:49] mhall119: I was hinting and the lack of interest in keeping things running smoothly on the Nexus 7. I'd really love an actual device I can use Ubuntu touch on in my dialy life without a second (or third) cell phone ;-) [17:49] contributions and tweets/facebooks/whatevers appreciated :) [17:49] dkessel: because the original Nexus 7 is supported [17:49] AlanBell:THANK YOU!!!!!! [17:49] message:All the best For your team for Ubuntu edge [17:49] http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/03/21/28/dubstep_life.gif [17:49] mhall119, ... which I guess I cannot buy a new one today? [17:50] bladernr: I believe the Nexus 7 and 10 will get better support this cycle [17:50] dkessel: they're not making new ones, no [17:50] dkessel: but there still seems to be a lot available to purchase [17:51] dkessel: we want to support it, but we don't have the hardware, to support officially we'd need to buy a bunch for the qa lab, for example [17:51] but we should at least produce images for it [17:52] dkessel: we'll be working on rebasing our android base to 4.4 soon, which will allow us to generate images for both 2013 nexus 7 and nexus 5 [17:52] assuming it's easy to get working drivers and stuff for it [17:52] jono enters SUPERMODERATOR mode [17:52] the monetary investment goes rather towards the Nexus 5 currently [17:53] rsalveti, that is the best answer to that topic i got so far... good to know! [17:54] can you say that for me please "altını ser incisi ker" [17:54] can you say that for me please "altını ser incisi ker" [17:55] any final questions? [17:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language) [17:56] Its from google yes [17:56] QUESTION: With the use of Android Video drivers, can we use Tablet devices as a laptop, either with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse or using an Asus Transformer.... [17:56] jono, the answer to dart should be, propose it in the next vUDS [17:56] http://www.imdb.com/poll/HvPxpcj88Nk/?ref_=po_sn [17:56] http://www.imdb.com/poll/HvPxpcj88Nk/?ref_=po_sn [17:56] can you say that for me please "altını ser incisi ker" [17:56] blueadept, if you have a port for the specific device you can definitely do that today already [17:56] Wow dart looks very C like too [17:56] fromturkey, please [17:56] dart compiles to javascript so presumably a developer could use it for a touch app [17:57] QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Server will also be available in touch flavors, as we observe many high-end system manufacturers are switching to touch leaving back keyboards and mice? [17:57] jono: please let them know to open a bug for the missing export in u1 contacts [17:57] QUESTION: What areas does upstart handle better than systemd? [17:57] sk92: touch server? that doesn't make sense [17:57] jono: missing export it's probably just something that was lost in the u1 site redesign [17:57] ogra_ yes, but without video drivers it's not practical... if Mir allows the use of Android video drivers then it would be much more realistic. [17:58] Azendale, i doubt rick would be able to answer that ... better send a mail to the ubuntu-devel mailing list tpo get an answer [17:58] alecu, not lost, we never had export [17:58] QUESTION: will support for the OLDER Nexus 7 improve for those of us who cant' get or don't want a phone but still want Ubuntu Touch in a daily use device? [17:58] blueadept, thats what ubuntu touch does ;) [17:58] there was couchdb to grab them and now there's U1DB [17:58] server with touch it sounds truck operated by a remote [17:58] blueadept, we run a tiny android container that handles the drivers ... Mir attaches to this container in ubuntu touch [17:58] ogra_ I hope so... but it requires manual switching of the UI from tablet to desktop mode. [17:58] QUESTION: Will Mir and Unity 8 allow better desktop sharing? and will UP be able to connect to it too? [17:59] all the best [17:59] beuno: if somebody opens a bug, we can point at a script to get them via u1db, but it's not that we want to hold the contacts hostage [17:59] Nice session thanks rickspencer3 :) [17:59] Touch for servers---opposite of headless? :) [17:59] thanks fagan [17:59] thanks rickspencer3 ! [17:59] jono, rickspencer3, thanks guys [17:59] thank you ogra_, clad you liked my shirt ;) [17:59] * ogra_ check for mail for a last time [17:59] *checks [17:59] great session, thanks a lot for having it [17:59] alecu, speak for yourself! [17:59] thank you === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/plenary/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/21/%23ubuntu-uds-plenary.html [18:00] beuno: hahahah [18:00] * rickspencer3 kicks beuno [18:00] ogra_ If the UI can be manually switched between modes on Unity 8 that would be awesome because tablet mode could be used on a big screen if needed... or desktop mode on a tablet if a keyboard / mouse is availabel. [18:00] thanks! [18:00] blueadept, i think that might be possible and planned for the future ... but first we need a unity8 desktop mode you can switch to ;) [18:01] rickspencer3, FWIW, there will not be multiple stores. Customers can get their own section in our store, but the security model is around one central store [18:01] ogra_ good point. [18:02] what i envision for something like the transformer (or surface) would actually be that the UI mode changes depending on if you have a kbd docked or not though [18:02] but thats just me, i'm not in the design team ... [18:03] ogra_ I think it needs a manual override for if you want to use your laptop as a tablet for example. [18:03] jono: can we get the indiegogo thing linked on the Ubuntu facebook account? [18:03] right, but keyboard docks will be detectable [18:03] AlanBell, sure [18:03] AlanBell: i notice it was posted in some linux subreddits but not the raspi one [18:03] one sec [18:03] so if the HW is providing the info i expect we will use it [18:03] cool, thanks [18:04] if it doesnt, i agree there should be a way to manually override [18:04] ali1234: I am not sure how much crossposting is allowed, I only put it in the Ubuntu one [18:04] jono LOL at "Ubutnu stealing my contacts"... I've just been waiting a long time, I have a lot of contacts in there! [18:04] AlanBell: as long as it's on topic it's just up to whether people want to upvote or not [18:04] ogra_ I can't unplug the keyboard from my laptop to make it go to tablet mode tho! [18:05] indeed [18:05] ali1234: that is a submission restricted reddit I think [18:05] ali1234: nvm, wrong one [18:05] AlanBell: there's two raspi subreddits - one is restricted cos it's just splitting the community [18:06] * ogra_ wanders off to the session in -uds-core-1 [18:06] AlanBell, done [18:06] ali1234: posted it now in http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/new/ [18:06] thanks jono [18:07] i'll just go and upvote it then :) === n is now known as Guest56448 [18:26] question: D4R -- design for repair, refurbishment, reuse, or recycling. How much does this green ethos feature in future Ubuntu hardware? [18:26] q247, the session is over since 30min [18:27] shame. thanks. [18:27] (though canonical does not do any HW business ... and wont) [18:27] so it depends on whatever vendor will build ubuntu phones at some point === n is now known as Guest30822 [18:39] S.a [18:40] Selamun aleykum millet [18:41] heey [18:47] bonsoir === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-plenary to: Track: | Track Summaries | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22026/track-summaries/ [18:55] what can we as users do to enable you as developers to reach the goals you have set for 14.04 ? [18:58] salut petit saucisson [19:00] so there is summary event coming over here? [19:00] yes [19:00] o/ [19:00] yep [19:00] ok thx [19:00] fhf: about to go live [19:00] Starting soon... [19:01] tadah [19:02] *twiddle* [19:02] * popey raps ogra_ on the nose with a newspaper. Bad dog! [19:02] lol [19:02] woof [19:02] jono: yes, you are [19:02] live [19:02] live [19:02] just in your head [19:03] yes you are live. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU7HMhs2fos [19:03] LAAAAG [19:04] seeing jcastro's lower third i wonder if "guy" is actually an official job description we have [19:04] i prefer "bloke" [19:05] community entity [19:06] WOOT WOOT! [19:06] go jcastro [19:08] yes! [19:09] ogra_, yeah, I was thinking of a better title [19:09] keep it, but also get it on your business card ! [19:09] ;) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [19:17] popey: "bloke" isn't a title for Canonical USA, which is technically jcastro's employer [19:17] ogra_, I tried to get it on my business cards [19:18] but they actually check to make sure that you only can use your official title [19:18] so my plan was twarted [19:18] do people have links with notes of the improvements? [19:18] nice. plymouth experience everywhere, except cloud images. [19:18] I mean the track summary in text [19:20] jcastro: haha, amusingly my busines cards are free form, as long as you get your manager's approval (and given my manager... :)) [19:21] alas, I am me, so I put my real title [19:22] things always break for the QA guy [19:23] smoser: yes, the one place that plymouth isn't actually providing value... [19:24] slangasek, one concern i do have is that cloud images make their way to hardware now. (via maas 'fast path' / curtin install). [19:24] we can address that on installtion there though. [19:26] slangasek: would you mind sharing your notes on the core track? [19:27] lool: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1oQ3xqlaYA4lLducSEmwhhtlgV5DE-RUZV34P0XxHE3o/edit [19:28] lool, slangasek i just put the notes we had written at http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-track-summaries [19:28] i dont knwo if canonical link there is public or shoudl be or not. but ehterpad makes sense here. [19:30] I added the appdev summary notes to the pad also [19:32] slangasek: thanks [19:37] chromeless, finally! [19:37] aquarius, awwwwwww yeah! [19:37] ! [19:37] yep [19:38] now to just get aquarius and jono to pronounce HTML as "hatemail" [19:38] dobey, lol [19:38] wisdom [19:38]