[13:54] <gaughen> hangout for the Openstack Charms discussion in 6 minutes - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiclleqpkk3em73g9b7olcc?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:01] <jamespage> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-openstack-charms
[14:05] <rbasak> Live now.
[14:25] <zul> what about vnc support?
[14:26] <Azendale_vuds> What would the process for getting a cloud from precise to trusty look like? Would you just build a second cloud?
[14:28] <jamespage> Azendale_vuds, answer to that coming in a second
[14:34] <Azendale_vuds> I've noticed that the Juju gui looks like it has stuff for bundles in it. What about having a a standard bundle people can download for HA openstack? (And maybe another for non-HA openstack?)
[14:37] <smoser> i've said it before... but one way or anohter, i/we need to make sure we hae a solution for "magically get ubuntu images"
[14:38] <smoser> (ie, 'example-sync': https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/simplestreams/example-sync)
[14:39] <zul> smoser:  it seems to me that should live in the charms
[14:44] <jamespage> smoser - new charm IMO - see bottom of pad
[14:44] <smoser> i guess separate charm isn't so bad due to having otherwise solved the density issue
[14:44] <smoser> nice work jamespage
[15:02] <hallyn_> i'll just chat here.  i'm just in the hangout to avoid delay
[15:05] <gaughen> here's the hangout - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpitpjq7kd2seu64ef2c1en0?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:05] <hallyn_> i'm here
[15:05] <hallyn_> i look thinner there
[15:06] <gaughen> ha
[15:09] <hallyn_> testing of the openstack libvirt driver?
[15:10] <hallyn_> or of core libvirt?
[15:11] <hallyn_> zul: after february?
[15:12] <rbasak> ARM support is coming to libvirt soon, if it's not there already.
[15:12] <rbasak> (ARM KVM support, that is)
[15:12] <nuclearbob> I've been waiting on that for a bit
[15:12] <rbasak> It's being worked on actively by Linaro
[15:12] <nuclearbob> that's good to know
[15:13] <rbasak> We (both Linaro and Ubuntu) will probably want to land Openstack patches, too.
[15:13] <rbasak> Are there any CI requirements or implications for this?
[15:16] <smoser> zul, are there ehterpad notes ?
[15:16] <hallyn_> I intend to join those calls fwiw
[15:17] <hallyn_> @zul++
[15:18] <smoser> fwiw, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docker-nova-hkg is more information on the lxc containers and openstack.
[15:18] <zul> hallyn_:/smsoer  https://github.com/zulcss/nova
[15:20] <hallyn_> trying to do arm64-user support
[15:21] <hallyn_> (just qemu-user-static)
[15:21] <hallyn_> well, it gets us emulation of arm64
[15:21] <hallyn_> right
[15:22] <jamespage> rbasak, probably - upstream openstack are going to deprecate remove any driver that does not have sufficient testing
[16:04] <stgraber> hallyn_: got a URL for me?
[16:05] <hallyn_> stgraber: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpik2e2nhfn8e1e078ge9ju0?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:25] <gaughen> smoser, "those guys" I was thinking was the maas folks, but maybe it's the juju team.
[16:25] <gaughen> but I'll leave it to you to convert my "those guys" to the right ones ;-)
[16:27] <hallyn_> am i being loud?
[16:28] <smoser> i thought it might be you, hallyn_
[16:28] <smoser> do other people hear that ?
[16:28] <smoser> stgraber is only person not muted now.
[16:29] <hallyn_> smoser: i don't hear anthing
[16:29] <smoser> gaughen, well, i think its really neither. and this is really only a "needs root" case. i think
[16:33] <sarnold> from the youtube view, everyone's volumes seem fine
[16:34] <smoser> that is really odd.
[16:38] <smoser> sudo lxc-create -t ubuntu-cloud -n source-trusty-amd64 -- --release=trusty --arch=amd64 --stream=daily
[16:39] <vila> smoser: I was bitten by this one indeed, I found --stream but had suddenly to special case trusty
[16:40] <smoser> vila, its a default. yo ucould special case it the other way
[16:40] <smoser> (and use --stream=daily always)
[16:41] <vila> smoser: you mean released == daily as soon as released appears ? I'll never run into daily > released ?
[16:42] <smoser> there are dailies for always.
[16:42] <smoser> and they're always >= released.
[16:42] <smoser> we continue building cloud images and then promote them to 'released'. thats just how we keep them fresh.
[16:43] <vila> right, so, my use case is more released than daily indeed, I can fallback to daily if released is not available (which I do right now), but thanks for the idea anyway
[16:43] <smoser> the dailies are stable.
[16:43] <smoser> after release.
[16:44] <smoser> we don't just go changing things willy nilly.
[16:44] <smoser> i'd suggest they're more stble than -proposed
[16:44]  * vila nods
[16:53] <vila> autopkgtest++
[17:57]  * nwl_ waves
[17:58] <jamespage> hey nwl
[17:58] <jamespage> gaughen will post the hangout URL shortly
[17:58] <jamespage> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-servercloud-1311-ceph
[17:58] <jamespage> pad
[17:58] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1311-ceph
[17:58] <gaughen> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpio51jkto38daj32nilrmuc?authuser=0&hl=en
[17:58] <gaughen> there's the hangout
[17:59] <jamespage> nwl, ^^
[18:17] <pmatulis> will cephfs become officially supported/stable in Firefly?
[18:18] <jamespage> pmatulis, have your question
[18:25] <pmatulis> thank you for your answer neil
[18:28] <avoine> QUESTION: is btrfs will still be not recommended for ceph in trusty?
[18:28] <jamespage> yes
[18:28] <jamespage> xfs
[18:29] <avoine> ok, thanks
[18:32] <sarnold> any zfs tests?
[18:32] <jamespage> not until its in the kernel
[18:33] <sarnold> ah. never going to happen. :) thanks.
[18:33] <bjf> yes we are benchmarking btrfs .. we have not been evaluating it's stability
[18:33] <bjf> gaughen, ^
[18:33] <pmatulis> what is the roadmap for ceph-deploy?  is it to become a more sophisticated tool?  currently it is fairly limited and not suggested for complicated setups
[18:33] <gaughen> thanks bjf
[18:35] <jamespage> any other questions?
[18:36] <jamespage> ...
[18:36] <jamespage> ..
[18:36] <jamespage> .
[18:37] <sarnold> thanks
[18:57] <avoine> bjf: the result of those benchmark are public?
[18:59] <bjf> avoine, they will be once we get our act together :-)
[18:59] <bjf> avoine, right now we are making sure we are doing the benchmarking repeatable and periodic (and are comparing the things people want us to compare)
[19:00] <avoine> ok
[19:01] <bjf> avoine, there will be a link on http://kernel.ubuntu.com that will point to them
[19:04] <avoine> bjf: great, I'll be watching that. Thanks