[05:12] morning superfly and others [05:13] hi nlsthzn Squirm [05:13] good morning all [05:26] had a bit of a storm last night (and now still raining)... [05:27] about 30% of all the trees here have been blown over :/ [05:27] oh my [05:27] we had 13mm last night and very happy about that [05:27] I am busy uploading a vid of a drive through Ruwais this morning... already uploaded one of the rain last night [05:28] you dont see rain often nlsthzn ? [05:28] nope [05:28] isnt that sand storm country [05:28] not really this being a desert and all :p [05:28] yup [05:28] sandstorm happen a lot more oftern [05:28] eish [05:28] *often [05:28] even the schools are closed because it rained :p [05:28] Daughter is happy [05:29] saw on carteblanche or one of them that this area is now classed as semi arid [05:29] haha [06:26] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:31] hi Xethron [06:31] môre inetpro 13mm hier gisteraand [06:33] Morning Kilos [06:37] hmmm 26mm of rain fell here last night... [06:37] cool [06:37] a place here called Dalma had 80mm [06:37] no wonder the ahabs have a holiday [06:38] :0 [06:38] and the rain still continues as do the warnings [06:38] going to be a wet weekend it seems [06:38] warnings about what? [06:40] morning [07:05] warnings of the continued rain and perhaps more wind [07:05] alo ThatGraemeGuy [07:05] aha not floods [07:11] doesn't take much rain to flood us out... and the whole country is sea level and sometimes a little above and below so you have to avoid gully's and valleys... I had to dride a detour this morning just to get to the school as one part of the road had to much water for my little car [07:13] wow [07:25] hello [07:25] nlsthzn: where do you live? [07:25] currently in the UAE [07:25] small town called Ruwais [07:26] ok [07:26] hi Vince-0 [07:26] ! [07:40] ! [07:40] indeed [07:41] hehe [07:56] hi SmilyBorg-r2 [07:56] hey there [08:09] SmilyBorg-r2, ! [08:09] Hey Vince-0 [08:10] So Blake (traceps.co.za) remember Fabien? [08:10] They're looking for Linux skills [08:10] lol [08:10] yeah [08:10] hehe [08:10] if you're interested? I'm busy fleshing out the job spec and going to post it to the various lists [08:11] yeah, better than nothing [08:14] sure, I'll forward [08:14] "cloud architecture" lols [08:17] hehe [08:59] Yo [09:02] ho ho [09:03] hi DarkSurferZA SubOracle [09:03] ai! [09:03] fly too [09:03] ohi Private_User howsit? [09:04] Seriously superfly, seriously [09:04] How r u guys doing? [09:04] good ty and you? [09:05] Yeah, not bad. Been very busy. Living the dream and all that [09:05] Anyone play with the new ubuntu on android emulator? [09:05] hi Kilos and everybody else, how is you all doing? [09:07] I hope all is 100% [09:07] DarkSurferZA, is that a chroot? I've tried Debian with LXDE on my Moto [09:08] performance sux! [09:08] yeah is there a kinda smiley that shows thumbs up [09:08] btw I wanted to find out does anybody use any other email client on Ubuntu other than Thunderbird? [09:09] Its the new ubuntu phone sdk. [09:09] :-D [09:09] Looks like the android one, just ubuntu on the inside [09:09] yes DarkSurferZA i use evolution [09:10] it gives the option of making its own backup [09:10] Sies [09:10] Private_User: I used to use Sylpheed. [09:10] hehe [09:10] You can basically do absolutely anything with Sylpheed's filters. [09:10] Just kidding, it was the original exchange integrated client. Loved it [09:11] easiest to setup of them all methinks [09:11] confluency, ok is it better than Thunderbird, cause I use that on windows had no issues but tried to setup all my webmail accounts on their and it crashed a few times before I could get them all working and synched [09:11] morning confluency [09:11] Private_User: I found it to be quite light and stable. [09:11] True as well Kilos [09:12] Just try it and see if it works for you. [09:12] ok cool maybe I will give it a go [09:12] Just a question [09:13] Why change mail clients if your current one works? [09:13] Because it's nice to have options? [09:13] What does 1 do that the other doesnt, and does it justify the heartache? [09:13] No, i agree on options, but if u find a nice option, then why change? [09:13] thunderbird isnt lekker and dont give the option of making its own backup [09:14] The buttons are where u left them in ur current mail client, right? [09:14] hi psyatw [09:14] I use a lot of web interfaces because there's nothing better, but I'm not really happy with them. So I check all the available clients again about once a year to see if there's anything nicer that wasn't around before. [09:14] DarkSurferZA, lol good question, but thunderbird crashed so many times before I got it setup I am wondering if the offline folders will be fine and not be corrupted [09:14] Well,if your current client isnt a good enough option, then i guess it is good enough reason then [09:15] Havent had a thunderbird or evolution crash in the last year, but its what u like for your mail, yes? [09:15] Even if you're reasonably happy with a client, you may find that there's something *even better* that you've been missing out on. [09:16] confluency: true. But *nix people gotta stop changing just cause 1 was released last week [09:17] Why? [09:17] And then argue about which is better cause the button colors are metro and stuff [09:17] lol [09:17] If there's a low cost to try something new, why not do it? [09:17] I dont have a problem with trying, but the serial mine is better than yours thing is painful [09:17] Its not better cause its newer [09:18] The flip side to people who are constantly on the bleeding edge are people who use the same programs as they stagnate and refuse to switch until the bitter end. ;) [09:18] but you have a point what if there is something better which you are not aware of and also has features you need which in you current client does not exist causing you to have to seperate applications [09:18] Having flamewars over something which is a matter of personal taste is pretty stupid. [09:19] *to-->two [09:19] confluency: i think we agree for the most part, change is what makes the gears keep turning [09:20] But as an end user, i havve used too many mail clients, and i have heard too many people tell me not to use the one i am currently using [09:20] It's bad to get too attached to something that becomes obsolete, especially if it's something that relies on updates because it interacts with changing internet protocols. [09:20] btw guys any reason why when I have an issue in Ubuntu and it asks if I wanna send an error report the error report crashes whe I click yes? [09:20] ohai [09:20] I really loved Galeon (a web browser), but I eventually had to migrate away from it when the project died and a crucial feature became unusable. [09:21] Private_User, get it to open details and see what it is [09:21] DarkSurferZA: you should tell those people to climb a tree. Unless they're talking about Outlook, in which case please don't use that. ;) [09:21] Lol [09:22] I just think we need to respect that some people like to find things where they left them, and other people like bleeding edge [09:22] Private_User: I don't know. I turned that stuff off, because it never worked properly. [09:22] Kilos, I did that as well and that also sometimes crashes not all the time so now I just click cancel al the way out [09:23] Me personally, after so many system crashes and rebuild from trying a new "feature", is tell me what the benefit is before i think about wasting an evening [09:24] Private_User: if apport is annoying you, you can just turn it off: http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport [09:25] I just wish *nix people would get that 2% cpu time isnt worth the heart ache of having to teach all my old dogs new tricks [09:25] ok thanks confluency [09:26] speak of the apport [09:26] I wouldn't switch applications for 2% CPU time. I usually switch if I get irritated by the lack of a feature, or the addition of a misfeature. Or in some cases a program going completely down the tubes after a major version upgrade. [09:26] *cough*Amarok*cough* [09:26] I just received a message the System program problem detected, do you want to report the problem now? [09:26] hehe [09:27] Yeah, I turned it off because there were constant false positives. [09:27] Haha, agree. Songbird almost came back from the dead though [09:27] And that particular error gives you zero information. [09:27] Private_User, it might be some app you have removed and the conf files werent removed as well [09:28] I have settled on Audacious. It has a new-ish GTK interface (in addition to its old winamp-style interface) which is simple and clean. [09:28] Kilos, ok this time I am trying the view details lets hope it does not crash [09:28] I still havent found a media client i am happy with [09:28] That took a *long* time to find, though. I think I've tried every music player ever written. [09:28] vlc [09:29] even works on ms stuff [09:29] And they all model their controls on walkman buttons. Hooray, cargo cult interfaces. [09:29] Vlc is good at playing media, i want to be able to catalogue, scan, mod, search my mood, etc [09:29] I need something with playlist and library management. [09:30] (MusicBrainz + the Picard client is great for tagging files, BTW.) [09:30] rythmbox? [09:30] Anyone know why songbird died? [09:30] Tried that; eventually grew to despise it. [09:31] https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Playlist/ [09:31] ok how do I read this report? whats the importand info to look at? [09:31] Playlist in vlc isnt rich enough feature wise [09:32] ah [09:32] On a slightly different note, who wants to take bets on the etoll shut down date? [09:32] Private_User, near the end i think you see what isnt working [09:33] somewhere in that error report is something thats not opening [09:33] Private_User: i usually just sit really close to the screen while reading, and make agreeing sounds while nodding my head [09:33] paste it at slexy.org [09:33] lol @ DarkSurferZA [09:34] LOL @ DarkSurferZA [09:34] Doesnt solve the problem, but people tend to think i know what is going on [09:34] Then take something which looks significant and google-fu my problems away [09:34] 70% of the time, it works every time [09:35] And no, my cologne is not made from real panther [09:41] Kilos, what is slexy.org? [09:42] Kilos, ok never mind just read the about page [09:43] hi Kilos [09:45] http://slexy.org is a fast pastebin [09:46] used to show in the topic bar at the top of xchat [09:46] ya still does [09:47] once pasted and submitted the link changes then you copy paste that here and clever peeps can go see wassup [09:52] ok cool but how do I copy the error report? [09:52] ok for now its no longer on the screen [09:53] but for future how would I copy it? [09:53] cause I tried when it was on the screen did not seem to take [09:55] in that details page you highlight copy [09:55] tried that did not seem to work [09:55] right click copy once highlighted [09:55] oh my [09:55] there is a way [09:55] confluency, help [09:56] shift or control highlight or something [09:56] If the text is selectable, you can just select and middle-click paste. [09:57] ty confluency does that work Private_User ? [10:00] thanks Kilos and confluency I will try it when I get the error report again but the one I had previously I was not able to select not even ctrl-a [10:00] sjoe [10:00] Some dialogs have unselectable text, which is annoying. Next time see if you can select it manually (by dragging with the mouse). [10:01] lol thats the only way i know how to highlight anything [10:02] are error reports stored somewhere on your pc? [10:03] like tail or something [10:06] thanks all, be back later [10:06] go well [10:23] hi bduk tinuva [10:26] good morning [10:26] Maaz: coffee on [10:26] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [10:26] hi charl [10:27] Maaz, coffee please [10:27] Kilos: Sure [10:27] hi Kilos [10:27] how's it going [10:30] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [10:30] good ty and you? [10:30] Maaz, ty [10:30] You are welcome Kilos [10:36] Middag almal. Bietjie laat vandag [10:47] Maaz: thanks [10:47] charl: No problem [10:47] hi bduk [10:47] Kilos: i'm very good ! [10:47] tell [10:47] Kilos: i bought a roomba ! the thing cleans my floors automatically [10:47] lol [10:47] it's awesome, i can't believe i ran the thing for like 90 mins on a single charge [10:48] my floors are ALWAYS dirty so this is excellent for me [10:48] yesterday evening it cleaned my bedroom, the corridors, the kitchen and the front entrance [10:48] this evening it will clean my living room [10:48] wow [10:49] i don't let it run automatically yet, i want to keep control over it and let it run manually when i am around [10:49] lol [10:49] my house is not yet perfectly organised for the thing, i have to move some furniture so it can reach everywhere [10:49] and i have some cables laying on the ground which it might have some trouble with, especially in the living room [10:49] i will need to organise my house better now :) [10:49] yeah [10:49] like having a small kid around [10:50] but it is so small it gets in everywhere, under the central heating thing, under the tables, even some of the chairs [10:50] lol indeed it is ! and it just goes and goes without running out of energy, just like a small kit [10:50] beats the heck out of doing it all by hand myself [10:52] on the work front, also doing good, doing my first real project with http://spring.io/ [11:06] cool [14:06] hi all [14:07] looks good ChanServ [14:07] charl * [14:24] hello people [14:24] hi Private_User [14:26] question how do I reinstall Synaptic Package manager or how do I fix the issue when I try to open it I get E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg -configure -a' to correct the problem [14:26] hi charl [14:27] Private_User: open a terminal and run sudo 'dpkg -configure -a [14:27] ah ok so I missed something out let me try again [14:27] hi theblazehen [14:27] hi Kilos [14:28] theblazehen, you sure that command has that ' in it? [14:29] Oops, accidentally copied that [14:29] sudo dpkg -configure -a [14:29] should be sudo dpkg --configure -a [14:29] -- configure [14:30] ah yes [14:30] ok thanks Kilos it seems that what I needed to enter [14:30] yeah crazy the use of -- them things [14:31] i dunno what they do but it works like that [14:31] one of the few commands i know kinda [14:33] cool, anybody lnows how to add the lubuntu machine chrome remote desktop? I do not have the option to add the machine [14:33] *knows [14:34] I want to add it as one of "My Computers" so I can access it from anywhere at anytime [14:35] there is remotedesktop somewhere [14:35] I recommend vinagre [14:36] remmina worked here from ubuntu to a winsucks pc [14:37] i had full control of it [14:40] was actually weird seeing win7 in my buntu [14:42] i use rdesktop at the command line [14:42] so nobody use the chrome remote desktop? [14:43] or i mean, i start it [14:43] no idea what that even is [14:43] damn I have been trying to enter the above text since Kilos last comment about remmina [14:43] nope we use whats in the repos as much as possible [14:43] this machine was hanging [14:43] no man it was thinking [14:44] lol [14:44] sudo touch /forcefsck and it will sort things next reboot [14:45] also when last you installed or removed something with aptitude? [14:45] ok its just that I have my Windows laptop on there so wanted to add my lubuntu desktop there as well but I do not see the option to add it [14:45] not sure [14:46] probably last week [14:46] or was it when we were trying to fix the shutdown issue [14:46] maybe [14:46] aptitude also likes to fix things that werent right [14:47] are the 2 connected? [14:48] yep [14:48] i gotta try remember, you open remmina in ubuntu and do something then the win pc asks you if you want to allow it [14:49] Anyone here use LVM? Need a little help [14:49] when you allow remmina lets you do anything on the win pc [14:50] ok that comes with ubuntu? [14:50] ya sudo aptitude install remmina [14:52] and read if it wants to fix other stuff too [14:52] thanks I will try that [14:54] man I guess both the desktop and laptop are really brainstorming today since they are both thinking alot today [14:54] lol [14:54] lol [14:54] you got them connected how [14:55] via modem or direct cable [14:55] via router i mean [14:55] I shared the connection on my laptop and have a network cable connected directly from desktop to laptop [14:56] then remmina should work kiff [14:56] you might need to tell win to share or something, i forget what i did [14:56] ok but I will also want to connect from other machines as well is it possible or can I only do it between these 2 machines? [14:57] you might need to know ip addresses or something [14:57] should be able to do it from anywhere i think [14:58] direct cable was the easiest to configure, i just wanted to show my brat how potent ubuntu is [14:59] wassup your connection theblazehen [14:59] ok if that is the case then I will use it but now do i have to go and physically install them on other machinesor can I just sit at any random machine and connect via the web? [14:59] Kilos: no idea :/ [14:59] Just IRC though [14:59] rest of net is fine [14:59] hmm... [15:00] which machine you want to use as the control pc Private_User [15:01] if ubuntu is to be the boss its just telling other machines to allow and share and getting ip's right i think [15:01] both laptop and desktop but if I maybe am not at any of my machines but at maybe a friend machine I can remote to either machine but if I have the laptop the I will remote to the desktop and vice-versa [15:02] whew [15:02] thats too much for my head [15:02] lol [15:02] i dont know if a win machine can do anything on a ubuntu machine [15:02] btw how will I know when the fschk is done [15:03] it goes quick [15:03] cause I rebooted the desktop and now it seems like its doing nothing [15:03] nothing as in? [15:03] the cursor is blinking at the bottom of the screen [15:03] it goes fast in the boot sequence [15:03] it started the check [15:03] but now the cursor just blinking [15:03] oh my [15:04] you see the scripts running while booting hey? [15:04] should I reboot again [15:04] yes I do [15:04] ok reboot [15:05] you should be able to read what its doing all the time [15:06] ok now I decided to go in recovery mode and run fschk just to be sure seems to be fine no errors reported [15:07] I am also running repair broken packages as well [15:08] fsck [15:08] yep sorry typo [15:09] that dpkg command shoulda sorted them [15:09] but you can also use synaptic to fix broken [15:09] but where the broken things come from [15:09] your net seems stable [15:10] ok everything seems to be fine now [15:10] maybe they havent sorted the local repo yet [15:10] yay [15:11] get more ram so you can use 12.04 unity man [15:12] then i can see whats happening [15:17] yeah I need to do that but it will be a while before I am able to do it [15:18] ok for now all seems good I think its time for food I am hungry [15:18] ciao until later [15:18] lol excuse the pun [15:19] lol [15:19] enjoy [17:09] hmm... [17:10] Kilos: hmm...? [17:10] all the quit/joins [17:11] Ah [17:11] Maybe freenode's having tourbles? [17:11] troubles* [17:11] ? [17:12] With ping timeouts, maybe freenode is a loiitle overloaded [17:13] ya but then we should all quit/join [17:13] Unless we maybe on another freenode server [17:14] might be a netsplit [17:14] na then it says net splits [17:14] ah ok [17:14] well dunno then [17:14] lol [17:14] must be local connections [17:14] yeah [17:51] hi zr6sim [17:51] new nick? [17:52] ham? [17:52] learner ham [17:53] actual ham [17:53] :-) [17:53] not zs? [17:53] preferred nic is taken (simeon) [17:53] zs == zr these days [17:53] oh my [17:54] and 6 is tvl? [17:55] does one still have to do the morse exam? [17:55] zr6sim, ? [17:56] manually that is [17:57] no more morse exam [17:58] :-) [17:58] wow [17:58] yes 6 is beyond the vaal river ;) [18:05] good evening all [18:05] magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn on freenode. Hey stranger where you been?" 1 day, 3 hours, 24 minutes and 41 seconds ago [18:06] Hey Kilos, i am here now [18:10] hi magespawn [18:10] wb [18:11] hows things there by you? [18:12] good and you? [18:13] good ty i got things on the way to me [18:13] yay [18:13] i mailed you that importer [18:14] i think i saw the mail from you earlier, did not read it though [18:14] you should maybe look at it if you guys buy pc stuff [18:15] everywhere else i looked 8g sticks were 120 i got 16g for 95 from these okes [18:17] and a pci wireless adapter for 125 so as soon as stuff arives i can start hunting for wifi [18:39] back again [18:40] wb magespawn [18:42] hello kilos [18:42] hi adeebnqo [18:42] hi adeebnqo [18:42] guys, whatever happened to the python course? [18:44] hey theblazehen [18:46] adeebnqo, i got busy with a new job [18:48] adeebnqo, download byteofpython and learn on your own for now [18:48] http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python_v192.pdf [18:49] everyone very busy this time of the year looks like [18:51] oh my [18:52] kilos? [18:53] he disappeared [18:54] ah [18:55] he wanted to learn python with us then we got involved with LPI first and never got anywhere [18:56] only Vince-0 got anywhere i think [18:56] ah ok [18:56] eh? python [18:56] I know a LITTLE python [18:58] learn lots of it theblazehen [18:58] get that book [18:59] kilos: that's the plan :D [18:59] good lad [18:59] the fly and weed are master snake charmers [18:59] this holiday I'm also gonna learn about virtualisation, and networking as well [18:59] ah type [19:00] actually thats a good course to follow i think, the networking side [19:00] andrew makes more money than he knows what to do with [19:01] ah OK [19:02] not too much complex stuff though, just some pfsense and see if I can get a Cisco iOS emulator, then follow some guide for CCENT [19:15] Maaz, forecast pretoria [19:15] Kilos: Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 29° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 18° C., Thursday: Thunderstorm. High: 28° C., Thursday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 15° C., Friday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 26° C., Friday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 14° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 30° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Sunday: [19:15] Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 28° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 15° C., Monday: P… [19:15] yoohooo [19:19] weather working again [19:20] different command [19:20] Maaz, forecast Hluhluwe [19:20] magespawn: Wednesday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 30° C., Wednesday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 21° C., Thursday: Chance of Rain. High: 23° C., Thursday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 20° C., Friday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 20° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 25° C., Saturday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 21° C., Sunday: Chance of a [19:20] Thunderstorm. High: 24° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 21° C., Monday: Clear. High: … [19:20] Maaz, weather in pretoria [19:20] Kilos: That didn't go down very well. Burp. [19:21] he needs some enos methinks [19:23] commands to a bot are like food it seems [19:23] lol [19:24] maaz just needs upgrading. the new ones work kiff [19:24] Kilos: Excuse me? [19:26] i go crash now. sleep tight all of you [20:02] good night all