[00:30] ovidiu-florin: perhaps write the kde-www list? the maintainence is by both that team and the sysadmins [00:41] They did, and the response was little at best lol [00:42] well, afaik the team is at a low point right now [00:42] they have done very good work in the past so it's sort of maintainence-only right now [00:43] we are getting new blood here in kubuntu, but right now I'm not seeing that happen in KDE [00:44] it might be happening, but not where i can see it [00:44] yeah. think they are busy with the conversion to frameworks as well [00:45] qt5 [00:46] yes, the devels are [00:46] web folks not so much [00:46] Anyway, I recently moved so I am getting setup again. I got my KDE environment setup. But I am having a hard time getting Kuuntu set up for development. My kubuntu machine is my social box and I do not want to mess it up :) so setting up a vm [00:46] from my POV it seems like KDE might have overextended a bit with GSoC and GCi [00:46] yeah, web side, not sure what is going on, been quiet [00:47] but on the other hand, many of those students end up developing [00:47] it hurts to burn people out, though [00:47] * valorie looks at apachelogger meaningfully [00:48] hey sgclark and valorie [00:48] hellos [00:48] hi ahoneybun [00:49] I personally have alot of spare time as I look for work, but when I get employment burnout could certainly be an isssue lol [00:49] should I email the list for development setup insight? [00:51] devel setup insight? [00:51] oops, dinner...... [00:54] yeah, I tried to compile kde from master with no luck, tried project-neon and that did not work. Think I may just start over. [01:07] okies off to a meeting, be back later! [01:24] Question: I've made it so that libqapt take arbitrary sources.list files, I'm wondering if I should also make it take directories. That way we could further decouple the hard-coded locations. [01:25] I suppose I don't really need to go that far to do my tests, all I need to do is take multiple files. [01:27] I've gotta test loading multiple files and all of that fun stuff... [01:28] So far I've finished the test for loading a single file. I'm covering deb, deb-src, commented out lines (including manual comments with multiple leading comment characters), arch's (one and many), components (one and many), only commented lines, and blank lines. [01:29] Now I'm going to test loading lines across two different files, making sure I can retrieve each file's entries independently, and that I can also retrieve them in aggregate. [02:04] mamarley: It'd make sense to support /etc/sources.d/ - so yes. Please. [02:06] ScottK: I'm sorry, what? Do you mean /etc/apt/sources.d/? What does that have to do with the Quassel initscript? [02:06] mamarley: Sorry. Tab complete fail. [02:06] I wanted manchicken . [02:07] No problem :) [02:07] For quassel, I'm hoping debfx will be able to look at your latest revision. [02:07] ScottK: You're not the only one ;) [02:07] ScottK: Get in line! [02:08] ScottK: libqapt already supports sources.d... kinda. [02:08] Hmm, there is no /etc/apt/sources.d either. [02:08] * mamarley doesn't know what he was thinking. [02:08] * mamarley goes back to lurking. [02:08] Dude: I spent as much time driving in the last two days as I have sleeping and that's way too much driving and not nearly enough sleeping. [02:08] * ScottK is authorized to be a bit fuzzy. [02:09] Actually, it's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ [02:09] It has poor and unequal support for sources.list.d, until now. [02:09] Now it's broken completely? [02:09] Pfft. [02:09] That's fine, I was just admitting that I had committed an error. [02:09] ;-) [02:10] manchicken: Good for you for working on it. It's definitely stuff that needs doing. [02:10] ScottK: You've forgotten who you're dealing with. I literally fart rainbows. It's painful. My code makes all who read it cry tears of joy to the point of utter dehydration. [02:11] manchicken: Yes, but you could make Adept work, so that's a special magic all it's own. [02:11] ScottK: None of that is true, of course, but not only am I making this work but I'm proving it with automated tests. [02:11] Excellent. [02:12] It's taking a while to do though. [02:13] * ScottK was talking to a guy who claimed that model driven development was the future and all the code would be autogenerated. [02:13] Color me skeptical. [02:17] Model driven development? [02:18] You develop a high level behavior model of what you want to have happen using SysML (System Modeling Language - a UML derivative) and then there are tools that can generate code from this model. [02:18] Gotcha. [02:18] So essentially the guy sells hardware and is trying to slow all of our software down so we have to buy more hardware... that his schtick? [02:19] That sounds like a quick path to slow code. [02:19] No, the guy was a system engineer explaining to me how the code monkeys were going to be obsolete. [02:19] I've been hearing that since I was ten years old. [02:19] Yeah. [02:19] And yet I keep getting work. [02:37] adept -- please dear god let us not return to that POS [02:42] * manchicken refuses to maintain it... [02:43] libqapt isn't terrible. [02:43] kubuntu-debug-installer isn't terrible. [02:43] well, I think it's long dead [02:43] I'll keep playing with those. [02:43] adept wasn't pretty. [02:43] Not at all. [02:43] I've certainly seen worse, but not by an awful lot. [02:43] * manchicken curses [02:44] Why would a .moc file not be generated without throwing warnings?! [03:03] * manchicken turned on -Wall... [03:03] Lots of warnings, mostly -Wreorder. [03:16] I hate cmake sometimes [03:16] s/sometimes/most of the time/ [03:16] manchicken meant: "I hate cmake most of the time" [03:55] Night [05:40] shadeslayer: so Muon keeps crashing here, always with the same backtrace I already sent you [05:40] 100% of the time [06:02] valorie: manchicken is the one that kept Adept alive when it was abandoned by it's original developer and made it suck way less than it used to. [06:03] It did suck, but it was all we had. [07:12] good morning [08:00] ScottK: oh, that's cool to know [08:00] it did suck a bit less before it disappeared [08:01] like a lightbulb that dims, then brightens right before you hear that pop [08:01] kids today will never experience that now, I guess! [08:12] valorie: still around? [08:22] valorie: ah the things we miss out on :) [08:22] morning ovidiu-florin [08:22] Riddell: are you in Munich? [08:23] ScottK: model driven development is the future! I'm just waiting for Umbrello to take over the world, any day now [08:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4 is fantastico [08:25] morning Riddell [08:26] valorie: so what's the status on the media wiki? [08:26] what should we do? [08:27] you da man -- if you feel that you can install it and maintain it, go for it [08:27] it seems like a daunting project to ME [08:28] but really, you can see how hard it is just to install and get working [08:28] and if it seems less difficult than I fear, maybe it will work for us [08:28] I've already done one on my server [08:29] with the translate plugin and so forth? [08:29] but for that project it turned out that all I needed was a blog, not a wiki [08:29] but the instalation and maintainance wasn't very difficult [08:29] cool [08:30] Riddell: can I set one up on the docs server with a temporary url? [08:30] but; you are just one person [08:30] valorie: for now [08:30] a well run wiki has procedures that everyone follows [08:30] the KDE wiki system is awesome, in that they have a theme that helps new users out [08:31] it's open source, so i'm sure we can use it [08:31] but that's another layer to administer, tinker with, etc [08:38] ovidiu-florin: sgclark was looking into using the KDE one [08:39] ovidiu-florin: I'd really rather avoid setting up our own stuff if KDE has done it already [08:39] I thought that KDE refused to host ours [08:39] I don't think they've been asked [08:39] ahoneybun sayd he'd ask them [08:40] I asked them [08:41] but there is no way to shoehorn our stuff into their process [08:41] valorie: er really? [08:41] I mean, we're kubuntu, not KDE [08:41] when we first discussed this, months ago [08:41] if we could figure out a way to fit into their structure, then maybe [08:42] I'm not sure I understand this [08:42] I mean, I've used and edited all the KDE wikis [08:42] but I don't see a way to fit in our stuff, into their structure [08:44] what exactly is there in kubuntu wiki that is not, or shoud not, be in the KDE wiki or in the Ubuntu wiki? [08:44] except the installer [08:44] you can't? what's wrong with just putting some documents on their wiki and through the translation system? [08:44] Riddell: where? [08:45] where ever the kde docs are made? doesn't even need to be linked to from anywhere, a wiki is infinite [08:45] I racked my brain, and asked some of the experts, and none of us could figure out where we could fit in the stuff [08:45] userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu ? [08:46] well, I guess we could ask for permission again and do something like that [08:46] but then how do the translators find our pages? [08:46] I mean, they have a system [08:47] I could propose that they open the wiki to all the KDE distros [08:47] how does that system work? [08:47] distro.kde.org [08:47] sounds nice [08:48] and whether or not anyone else wants to, then we could.. [08:48] do docs on userbase.kde.org get exported to docbook? [08:48] there is projects.kde.org [08:48] valorie: that's something else [08:48] Riddell: they can be [08:48] that's how the amarok docs are created, for instance [08:49] not sure how many other projects do that as well [08:49] Amarok was the first [08:50] so http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok is what gets exported to docbook? [08:50] and that wiki page gets translated on the wiki e.g. http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/de ? [08:50] actually, just the handbook part [08:50] which is basically all of the above [08:50] http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual ? [08:51] yes, I think the translations are used [08:51] however, that I don't know [08:51] yup [08:51] maybe a stupid question, why do we need docbook? [08:51] atm there is a difference between the translators who work on the wiki and those who do l1on and doc translation [08:52] ovidiu-florin: we don't but it's nice to have it locally on the system as well as online, that can be docbook or html [08:52] not sure how the work of uniting the teams is advancing [08:52] ovidiu-florin: the docbook is what shows up on the top-level Help menu [08:52] so yeah, we just make http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu it doesn't need to be linked from anywhere and we just e-mail ubuntu and kde translators to say anyone interested in helping kubuntu translations go here [08:52] yes, but that's already provided by KDE [08:53] userbase.kde.org/distros/Kubuntu sounds better [08:53] Riddell: who would check those people out? [08:53] and make sure it gets done right? [08:53] help them figure out the translate plugin and so forth? [08:53] ovidiu-florin: you can question if kubuntu needs any documentation at all yes and we havn't had it for several cycles but in saucy ahoneybun and others started it up again so there is a desire to have it [08:53] I mean, it is work [08:54] valorie: good questions, who does it for Amarok? [08:54] Riddell: and what would we put in it? [08:54] the wiki team [08:54] and the doc team [08:54] and of course we amarok people write the pages [08:54] ovidiu-florin: our docs, see http://docs.kubuntu.org [08:55] I completed the handbook using GCi students, which was sorta cool [08:55] what's lovely in KDE is how all the teams work together [08:57] valorie: it takes work but so does our current infrastructure, and currently we get lots of translators complaining they can't be translated [08:57] anyway, I'm willing to ask again, but I'm not sure how willing 1. the sysadmins, 2. the wiki team, and 3. the doc team are to lend their resources to us [08:57] maybe they are [08:58] Riddell: indeed, and i've talked to some of them [08:58] I agree that the KDE mediawiki would be ideal [08:58] IF we could figure out a way to fit in [09:00] a wiki is infinite, it doesn't need to be linked from anywhere else on the wiki [09:00] just easy to translate then export to docbook and html [09:01] Riddell: what if we loose the URL ? [09:01] :P [09:01] right, but we are using their resources [09:01] I can't imagine us just using their wiki without getting it approved by the syadmins and wiki teams [09:02] no just make it sound like we won't be any bother at all :) [09:03] lol [09:03] I'll write something up [09:15] sgclark: ↑ [09:16] * Riddell goes to Munich [09:22] valorie: are you calling me burnt out? [09:23] you said you were getting so little sleep! [09:23] that will burn you out [09:23] you are burning bright, and don't want to fall asleep in the middle of The Day of the Doctor! [09:25] well, the no sleep wasn't by choice [09:25] you're still a baby, and can do that [09:26] not for a whole week :P [09:26] I used to be able to, and now I can't [09:26] sucks [09:26] a week is pushing it for sure [09:26] I'd rather sleep [09:26] sleep is cool [09:29] yes, i love both sleeping and dreaming [09:29] even boring dreams where i 'm really thinking [09:36] * apachelogger puts kubuntu on an opensuse stick [09:39] * valorie shuts down the computer and goes to read a book [09:48] Good morning. === apol__ is now known as apol [11:27] Howdy folks === vinay is now known as Guest96845 [12:33] Riddell: I'll arrive at 20:34 at the train station [12:33] apparently friday is a popular day for travel xD [12:58] * yofel makes his way to munich [12:58] I hope I'll be there by 6 PM [13:17] ::qt-bugs:: [1254006] After installing package qt4-demos executable qtdemo is not found @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254006 (by Rob Schipper) === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [13:55] so who is in Munich already? [13:57] I am in 15 min [14:00] ok, just messaging with riddell. we are about to leave our hotel and head to town. shall we all meet at marianplatz? [14:00] debfx: ^^ [14:02] jussi: Marienplatz, when? [14:02] jussi: me [14:02] jussi: where are you guys? [14:02] jussi: not me [14:03] allee: 40mins -1 hour from now. its about 20 mins from here, so just a matter of gettign the girls out of here. [14:03] i want Tod check into the hotel first [14:03] shadeslayer: in munich they are [14:03] shadeslayer: we are staying right by Harthaus station [14:03] debfx: stop using phones for IRC :P [14:04] debfx: which hotel are you in? [14:04] my number is +358406726673 [14:04] jussi: okay, I'm at Motel One ( same as riddell ) [14:04] if only I could call other people :( [14:04] why can you not? [14:04] jussi: I need at least an hour. 16:30 is realistic (still at work) [14:05] apachelogger: can't place outgoing calls for some reason [14:05] idk why [14:05] walk into a phone shop and get a disposable one :P [14:06] mhmm [14:06] 16:30 sounds good to me [14:07] jussi: is Riddell at the hotel? or is he yet to arrive? [14:07] shadeslayer: or actuall you just need a prepaid sim anyway [14:07] apachelogger: I have a prepaid sim from Spain [14:07] so get one from germany [14:07] http://www.ratskeller.com/ - how does this lace look to people? [14:07] cheaper anyway since there's still roaming fees in effect [14:08] s/lace/place/ [14:08] jussi meant: "http://www.ratskeller.com/ - how does this place look to people?" [14:08] they got nice wines :P [14:11] jussi: sure [14:11] jussi: meet at 16:30? [14:11] shadeslayer: at o2 you can get a phone for 20 euromonies with 5 euromonies prepaid xD [14:12] it's even got a color display [14:12] ok, everyone, debfx, allee, shadeslayer etc ratskeller at 16:30. see you all [14:12] * apachelogger rofls [14:12] jussi: okay [14:12] allee: Howdy [14:12] lol [14:13] manchicken: Hi :-) [14:14] pfff, vodafone only got prepaids starting at 50 [14:14] so silly [14:15] ok, we are leaving now [14:15] * allee leaves work, heading for ratskeller [14:17] * apachelogger continues trolling people on IRC [14:18] * shadeslayer munches on food [14:20] shadeslayer: you're supposed to get a sim you lazy bum [14:20] on that note [14:20] did anyone package phonon? [14:21] apachelogger: or figure out why the current one doesn't work [14:22] oh, it's broken? [14:23] broken in the sense that anyone can call me [14:24] I can't call anyone [14:24] oh you talk about sims [14:25] shadeslayer: as I said... it's likely cheaper to by a prepaid sim anyway [14:25] mhmm [14:25] roaming fees are a bitch I tell ya [14:27] k [14:39] I'm outside ratskeller [14:42] I'll be there in about 10 min === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [15:37] Riddell: You can get free internet in the city [15:37] Marienplatz and Sendlinger to and a few other places have an open wlan - you just need a registration [15:37] But that's free [15:42] * apachelogger leaves for train [15:42] laters [15:52] :) === eagles0513875_ is now known as eagles0513875 [17:06] * yofel finally made it to motel one [17:11] :) [17:11] yofel, what about 4.12 betas ? [17:13] still WIP, we're getting there though [17:36] jussi: https://community.kde.org/Solid/Projects/BlueDevil/Tests [17:52] Riddell: did you fix the circular dep thingy? [17:52] circular deps ftw :P [17:57] d_ed: are you going to virtually join our Munich bug squishing? :D [17:58] aww, you missing me? [18:05] shadeslayer: why is libkomparediff2 not using dhmk? [18:06] shadeslayer: good question [18:07] sigh no libkolab failed on arm64 [18:08] * yofel just retried kdepim-runtime [18:08] seems to at least be ok on amd64 [18:10] libkolab-0.4.1/kolabformatV2/task.cpp:116:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault [18:10] yum, I'll retry [18:11] Riddell: arm64 hardware is buggy, so when you see those, just retry until it works. [18:12] kubotu: newversion plasma-nm 0.9.3.2 [18:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254121 [18:30] d_ed: yeah, we are missing you... why didnt you come? :D [18:30] I really really really hate Doctor Who. [18:30] I heard that was a major part of the agenda [18:31] d_ed: as do I, so no issues there. [18:31] oh, poor you [18:31] * d_ed hugs [18:31] I think Ill go watch sports instead :D [18:32] * jussi hugs d_ed back [18:33] btw, for anyone thats interested: https://holvi.com/avoinbudjetti/Kubuntu/ - the almost complete final outcome of the shirts thing - I still have to put a couple of postage costs, but otherwise, that is it [18:36] excellent :) [18:47] so as I just talked with Riddell, perhaps for next time, we wil do a pre-order system, when there will be unlimited amounts of $product that people can buy, with a set "order date", when I lok at all the pre-orders and do an order based on that. that allows me to order a much wider variety of items. ANybody got any thoughts? [18:52] kubotu: newversion kscreen 1.0.2.1 [18:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254125 [18:57] yay libkolab accepted! [18:57] although admitadely I had to disable all the tests to get it to compile :( [19:01] Riddell: please give me the correct URL... [19:01] Cannot GET /kubuntu-munich === jussi changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.80 WIP http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | [19:01] jussi: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich [19:03] thank you sir [19:04] ᵔᴥᵔ [19:23] Riddell, Do you want me to upgrade kscreen? I've got nothing else to do [19:28] Noskcaj: go for it [19:42] I assume libkscreen needs updating too [19:54] so, I got a suite xD [19:54] Riddell, jussi: are ye at the venue? [19:55] we are [19:55] apachelogger: where are you? [19:55] apachelogger: phone me to get in [19:55] @hotel [19:55] apachelogger: get here already [19:55] apachelogger: come here! you're missing the party! [19:55] is there beer? [19:56] there's Mezzo Mix [19:56] it aint a party without beer [19:56] there is beer! [19:56] is there food? [19:56] YES [19:56] yep [19:56] if you hurry up [19:56] (beer doesnt have alcohol, but who is counting that... :P ) [19:56] :O [19:56] gotta drink my free beer first then :P [19:57] bring it here [19:57] we're all waiting on you [19:57] pfff [19:57] oh, I also get free wine :P [19:57] good, bring it here [19:57] alas, in a glas [19:57] apachelogger: please come, seriously. we are waiting on you, and my kid wants to go home :P [19:58] there's a wine party tomorrow at the hotel [19:58] :O [19:58] outragous [19:58] jussi: preping [19:59] shadeslayer: did you upload your kdepim-runtime fixes? === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.80 WIP http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich [19:59] allee: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-munich [20:00] yofel: doing that [20:01] Riddell: also doing kwallet [20:03] how did manchicken get on with perlkde? [20:04] shadeslayer: hm, I think kdepim-runtime is haunting perlkde too [20:04] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [20:04] kdepimlibs5-dev : Breaks: kdepim-runtime (< 4:4.11.80-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.11.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. [20:04] yofel: odd, I could build it locally [20:04] it's just that pbuilder ignores that and lets aptitude install 4.11.2 [20:04] Riddell: kwallet and kdepim-runtime fixed [20:05] oh [20:05] shadeslayer: awooga [20:05] lets see if I can figure out where it actually breaks [20:08] apachelogger: on your way yet? :D [20:12] * ovidiu-florin has arrived and is finally online :D [20:12] ovidiu-florin: welcome! [20:12] yofel: Riddell working on updating the symbols for kde4libs ? [20:12] thanks [20:12] not me [20:12] shadeslayer: not me [20:12] but I can do [20:12] ovidiu-florin: welcome!... guy sitting nex to me ^^ [20:13] or ovidiu-florin is here now and wants to learn :) [20:13] I've just pushed libkscreen 1.0.2 to launchpad. Should i just propose a merge into the trusty branch or is the special kubuntu stuff? [20:13] Riddell: okay, I'll work on nepomuk-core [20:13] ovidiu-florin: welcome :) Have fun cuddling with Riddell tonight :D [20:13] I have to fix my bluetooth first... can't use my mouse [20:13] :( [20:13] jussi: :S [20:13] :-s [20:13] Noskcaj: awesome [20:16] Noskcaj: looks like we have no repository for it so I suggest attaching to a bug report or linking to a PPA [20:17] Noskcaj: bug 1220779 [20:18] bug 1220779 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "Please update bluedevil to 1.3.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220779 [20:18] what about it? [20:19] jussi: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde [20:20] Noskcaj: er no wrong bug sorry [20:20] branch is at https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libkscreen/1.0.2 [20:20] and https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/kscreen/1.0.2.1 [20:20] ok that'll do :) [20:22] hiho :) [20:22] * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/11/22/munich-beastie-squishing-party-begins [20:29] Noskcaj: oh I had a crash in libkscreen today, do you think it's worth doing an SRU? [20:30] Riddell, Why do you think i know? I don't even use KDE, i just ran out of other stuff to package [21:00] Noskcaj: so did you run this package and test it works? [21:00] I only tested building [21:00] ah [21:03] Once i get my devel PC finished i'll be able to do some better testing, but currently i can't even rune kde [21:03] *run [21:23] * yofel uploaded kdepimlibs without ubuntu version so it doesn't break the ppa packages [21:24] without ubuntu version in the kdepim-runtime breaks/replaces [21:48] ooh kwwii liked my twitter post :) [21:53] kubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.1.9 [21:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254178 [22:05] there my wifi works, I am done for the weekend [22:17] shadeslayer: kwin is broken in kf5 [22:18] good thing he's sitting next to mgraesslin [22:18] the Guided - resize and use free space option in the installer has been disabled? [22:19] ovidiu-florin: no but it's only enabled if d-i thinks your hard disk can be resized [22:20]