[00:10] <balloons> robotfuel, pong
[00:10] <robotfuel> elopio: help me out thanks
[00:10] <robotfuel> balloons: ^
[00:10] <balloons> go elopio :-)
[01:06] <phillw> hi balloons how did vUDS go?
[01:23] <balloons> phillw, good
[01:23] <balloons> tiring as usual
[01:25] <phillw> good to hear, hopefully I'll catch up with the sessions on you-tube over the weekend.
[01:26] <phillw> balloons: do you have time for a quick pm?
[01:26] <balloons> i'm in the middle of helping wifey, so I'm afraid not, but leave it and I'll reply :-)
[01:27] <phillw> okies. no worries... you about tomorrow?
[07:34] <DanChapman> good morning all
[07:40] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[07:44] <DanChapman> hey there elfy o/
[07:44] <elfy> nice sessions - I think ... not had time to listen properly :)
[07:45]  * elfy has DanChapman written on a piece of paper - need to talk to you - when's the best time? other than today - working till 5 :)
[07:47] <DanChapman> elfy yes it was a good few days. Anytime i'm online is usually good for me :-)
[07:48] <elfy> ok - maybe one evening ?
[07:49] <DanChapman> elfy yeah one evening is fine, what is good for you?
[07:49] <DanChapman> since you have work etc :-)
[07:50] <elfy> Daughter is out tonight - maybe tonight?
[07:52] <DanChapman> elfy, thats good for me :-)
[07:54]  * DanChapman 's @ubuntu email is finally working
[07:56] <DanChapman> jibel, i see all the services in the lab are running again :-)
[07:57] <elfy> DanChapman: ok - and excellent
[08:00] <jibel> DanChapman, Good morning
[08:00] <jibel> DanChapman, I just saw that too
[08:00] <elfy> hi jibel
[08:01] <jibel> DanChapman, and I have access to the machines :)
[08:01] <jibel> I'll update the jobs today
[08:01] <jibel> Good morning elfy
[08:32] <Noskcaj> Listening to the UDS sessions, we really need a "how to use google hangouts" video, plus time to prepare before we go live
[08:32] <Noskcaj> Also, local recording
[10:01] <jibel> DanChapman, balloons ubiquity tests are back, I tried Ubuntu and now running flavors. The view on jenkins.qa.u.c has not been created yet.
[10:06] <DanChapman> jibel, Yay! finally running again :-)
[10:07] <xnox> jibel: \o/
[13:22] <balloons> jibel, ty
[13:22] <balloons> happy friday to everyone
[13:23] <dkessel> happy friday balloons :)
[13:24] <elfy> friday? lost a day again
[13:25] <dkessel> poor elfy
[13:26] <elfy> balloons: good sessions I think - though I need to listen to them properly :)
[13:26] <balloons> elfy makes me blinks
[13:27] <elfy> might mean that the mail to the list makes more sense ...
[15:16] <pitti> jibel: ah, adt failures slowly resolving.. :)
[15:16] <pitti> jibel: so you were on 3depict, right?
[15:16] <jibel> pitti, yeah slowly
[15:16] <pitti> jibel: crash still fails because there's yet another kernel in -proposed
[15:16] <jibel> networking is fixed
[15:16] <pitti> so again a version mismatch; will try again on Monday
[15:16] <pitti> jibel: yeah, I noticed; *phew*
[15:17] <jibel> pitti, I was on 3depict but it's too broken, I filed a bug in Debian for the maintainer
[15:17] <pitti> jibel: ah, good; thanks
[15:18] <jibel> pitti, there are not only missing deps, but shell syntax error, it calls make before Makefile is even generated
[15:18] <jibel> there are missing build depends and then it calls the binary without a display but it requires one
[15:18] <pitti> right, just reading the bug and the maintainer's followup
[15:20] <jibel> ah he replied, I didn't see he did
[15:21] <pitti> jibel: I'm replying
[15:30] <pitti> jibel: meh, d-jenkins now down again, too?
[15:33] <pitti> jibel: replied
[15:33] <pitti> jibel: ok, I'll ignore that failure as well then
[15:33] <pitti> thansk for the bug report
[16:19] <senan> balloons,DanChapman : Good Evening
[16:19] <balloons> senan, hello :-)
[16:20] <DanChapman> senan, hello there :-) o/
[16:20] <DanChapman> morning balloons o/
[16:20] <balloons> DanChapman, howdy..
[16:20]  * DanChapman is setting up his jenkins feeds now its running again :-)
[16:21] <balloons> yes I saw jibel's note :-0
[16:22] <senan> DanChapman,balloons; why we are not writing any log files when creating tests ?
[16:23] <balloons> senan, what do you mean? autopilot will output everything that we're doing during the test
[16:24] <balloons> autopilot run -v gives you quite a bit more
[16:24] <DanChapman> senan you can add additional logging if its needed :-)
[16:27] <jibel> pitti, thanks for replying
[16:31] <senan> balloons, just asked.. we are logging almost all in xml when creating test in QTP
[18:36] <DanChapman> evening elfy :-)
[18:36] <elfy> hi
[18:36] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[18:43] <elfy> DanChapman: let me know when you're ready - it could take a little while ;)
[18:43] <DanChapman> elfy, fire away :-)
[18:44] <elfy> obviously it's not about manual testing :p
[18:45] <DanChapman> :-D
[18:45] <elfy> first - what's the status now with auto image testing - I've seen https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot_ubiquity-devel/
[18:45] <elfy> but that means nothing to me
[18:46] <elfy> If I wanted to see Xubuntu results - where are they?
[18:46] <elfy> has the test got any closer to rebooting an installed image?
[18:47] <DanChapman> elfy lol well the jenkins server only got back up running today after 2 weeks down. I have some links for running xubuntu tests for you 2 secs....
[18:47] <elfy> :)
[18:49] <DanChapman> elfy so there is this one https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-test_custom_install/ which is failing due to a known ui bug so once thats fixed it should go 'blue'
[18:49] <elfy> ok
[18:49] <DanChapman> and this one https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-test_english_default/
[18:50] <DanChapman> and finally this one https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-test_nonenglish_default/
[18:50] <elfy> not very human readable urls :p
[18:50] <elfy> so the custom is the something else? and the daily is the install to whole hdd?
[18:52] <DanChapman> The custom install is manual partitioning, so using the 'Something else' install option then manually create partition layout, the default install basically uses all the default pre-selected values throughout,
[18:52] <elfy> ok
[18:52] <elfy> that makes sense to me
[18:52] <elfy> so both at present do the install and then stop?
[18:53] <elfy> so it proves that the image installs - is that right?
[18:53] <elfy> no proving of anything else at the moment
[18:54] <DanChapman> So the custom partition tests chooses a random partition layout from a choice of 6 defined layouts. Yeah atm the test runs till ubiquity says installation complete. jibel is going to be working on rebooting into the install and running the desktop smoketests so we can actually say it installed OK
[18:55] <elfy> ok - time scale for that?
[18:56] <DanChapman> so the current plan is to try and have Default, LVM, LVM with encryption, auto-resize and custom installs running for alpha1 so 19th Dec
[18:56] <elfy> ok - those rebooting as well?
[18:57] <DanChapman> I believe so, every test 'should' do the reboot tests otherwise we will never actually no if it installed :-)
[18:57] <elfy> yep:)
[18:58] <elfy> ok that's enough for images then - any idea who package testing is looking for gtk apps?
[18:58] <elfy> or is that best looked at by us
[19:00] <elfy> we'll be getting a list together shortly of things we'd 'like' testing - but it's one of those - where do you start things
[19:00] <DanChapman> not much has happened with the gtk apps, everyone got involved with the core-apps and it's been a bit neglected, senan is working on a DiskUsageAnalyser test atm so it's not completely dead. I have a doc somewhere of all the apps I found were introspectable i just forgot to update that wiki page phillw made
[19:01] <elfy> don't remember that page tbh - I know where mine is though
[19:02] <elfy> actually - phillw's was an expanded version of mine I think
[19:10] <DanChapman> elfy yes i think it was just expanded to cover all flavors. I'll see if i can find it tomorrow and update it.
[19:13] <DanChapman> elfy, I would like to get going again on the gtk apps or at least get a few people together and help them out,  so if you have anyone interested your side that would get involved would be great :-)
[19:14] <elfy> DanChapman: lderan is in channel - he's the guy showing most interest for us at the moment
[19:14] <lderan> hello
[19:14] <elfy> and as if by magic the shopkeeper appears
[19:15] <lderan> :P
[19:16] <elfy> lderan: tbh it's probably better if you talk to each other about this ;)
[19:16] <elfy> some pythony thing involved
[19:16] <DanChapman> hey lderan o/
[19:16] <lderan> pythony things are always good lol
[19:16] <lderan> DanChapman, hello \o
[19:17] <DanChapman> elfy lol
[19:17] <DanChapman> lderan, elfy says your interested in writing tests for the gtk desktop apps
[19:18] <lderan> i am indeed
[19:18] <DanChapman> lderan awesome have you tried your hand at it yet?
[19:19] <lderan> i've got it to open a few apps and type stuff into them :)
[19:20] <lderan> it doesn't work well with a few like the settings manager and abiword
[19:22] <elfy> DanChapman lderan - what xubuntu team needs to deal wish soon is what we actaully want it to look at
[19:22] <elfy> I'd hate for time to get wasted
[19:27] <lderan> indeed
[19:30] <DanChapman> lderan what problems did you come across with abiword?
[19:31] <lderan> it wouldn't receive typing unless i manually moved the cursor over the page
[19:31] <DanChapman> elfy so what would you consider are the 'core' apps you would initially like to have tests for?
[19:32]  * DanChapman install abiword
[19:38] <DanChapman> lderan it seems abiword doesn't have a visible text buffer so we would never know whats been typed
[19:39] <lderan> ah
[19:43] <DanChapman> lderan, i'm not sure how much is testable with abiword, like you could test new document as it spawns a new window, and probably test opening a document but anythin further than that i'm not sure :-S
[19:43] <lderan> any reliable method to move the cursor to the centre of the window?
[19:46] <balloons> ouch, no text buffer?
[19:47] <elfy> sorry - was elsewhere
[19:48] <elfy> mostly what I wanted to get today I've got aas far as packages is concerned
[19:48] <elfy> and lderan and DanChapman have met :)
[19:48] <DanChapman> lderan ive never tried it myself but you could try clicking the GtkWindow object, no reason why that wouldn't work
[19:49] <elfy> just working out where I can put BLOCKED on my blueprint :p
[19:49] <DanChapman> balloons, nope no buffer it looks like it uses a drawing canvas instead of a textview style object :-(
[19:53] <Noskcaj> What guide are you using for autopilot-gtk? I'd like to have another try at learning it.
[19:56] <DanChapman> lderan what i'd suggest is since ubuntu and xubuntu use the same doc viewer and archive manager and the current tests are autopilot 1.3 and they need porting to 1.4 and python3 and they also need expanding maybe you could have a go at them and get them nicely polished?
[19:56] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, best place to start is unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot :-)
[19:56] <balloons> Noskcaj, http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/
[19:56] <balloons> lol
[19:56] <balloons> :-_
[19:56] <DanChapman> lol
[19:56] <lderan> DanChapman, sounds good to me :)
[19:57] <elfy> balloons: seems like you've got a leak, losing helium and speed there :)
[19:57] <balloons> specifically have a look at the tutorial if needed, http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html
[19:57] <balloons> I was snacking on hummus.. my bad
[19:57] <elfy> indeed
[19:57] <elfy> why would you do that :(
[19:57] <lderan> hummus leads to helium lose nowadays? :P
[19:58] <elfy> ohhhh hummus not humus :p
[19:58] <DanChapman> eeek nasty stuff
[19:59] <elfy> I was snacking on toad in the hole ...
[19:59] <balloons> lol.. I'm back to running tests now
[20:01] <DanChapman> balloons, I totally forgot you asked about the status of the gtk emulators, they have been running fine in the ubiquity tests, although that doesn't use the GtkFileCHooserDialog stuff which I need to test again.
[20:02]  * DanChapman has still yet to cook :-(
[20:04] <elfy> I'm off now
[20:12] <balloons> DanChapman, yes, I don't want that to languish forever out there :-)
[20:14] <DanChapman> balloons, me neither, I will try get them tested etc over the weekend and poke thomi next week about them :-) I suppose if they are running ok they could be placed in the ubuntu-autopilot-tests branch for lderan and others to use until they land?
[20:15] <balloons> they could.. It would be best for folks to use them. Let's just get it landed :-) Is it python2 and python3 compatible?
[20:17] <DanChapman> balloons, yes they are mate :-)
[20:18] <Noskcaj> Is the a list of packages still on autopilot 1.3? I'd like to try and start witth that
[20:20] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, all the apps in lp:ubuntu-autopilot-tests are 1.3 there shouldn't be too much to change but that would be great if you can do it :-)
[20:25] <Noskcaj> balloons, My i suggest we do a practice UDS session nest time so it isn't just "yes" to stuff in IRC or waiting for people to unmute themselves
[20:26] <balloons> Noskcaj, what do you mean?
[20:26] <balloons> I take it you are watching a session :-)
[20:26] <Noskcaj> I've only heard the community roles one so far, but there was about 1 minute of actual talking in it. and ye
[20:26] <Noskcaj> *yes
[20:27] <balloons> Noskcaj, ohh.. that one got messed up
[20:27] <balloons> it's no use to watch it.. I should delete it I suppose
[20:28] <Noskcaj> the second one i'm listening to looks far better already
[20:29] <balloons> buonasera Letozaf_
[20:29] <Letozaf_> buonasera balloons
[20:31] <Noskcaj> balloons, One other thing, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/debian/+merge/193693 so the packaging stops burning my eyes?
[20:31] <balloons> Noskcaj, :-)
[20:32] <balloons> Noskcaj,  can this build properly now?
[20:32] <Noskcaj> I think it fixes everything
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, can I ask you about autopilot tests on music app or do I have to contact vthompson ?
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, you can certainly ask, heh, but yea I would say victor is the guy for anything you can't figure out
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have an easy queston, I think ...
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, the bugs you past me for new autopilot tests test on a album, but the autopilot tests have only two songs in for now
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you know how the album tests do have to be carried out _
[20:55] <balloons> ahh, so new fake data might need to be created
[20:55] <balloons> or you think you can do it with the 2 songs?
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I was just taking a look and wondering how to carry out a test on an album if there is no album
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I will first try to see if I can use those two songs
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, thought that maybe you had already talked about this with Victor
[20:58] <Noskcaj> balloons, On the topic of the roles page. Can we add some more info on stable release testing? i.e. SRUs, -proposed, precise daily
[20:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, no I didn't
[20:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[20:59] <balloons> Noskcaj, we can.. is that something you might be able to do? We need an SRU expert :-)
[21:00] <Noskcaj> balloons, I've not run a stable release in a year, so that might be hard. Maybe one of the MOTU guys who want SRUs tested?
[21:01] <dkessel> Letozaf_, good evening. you know where the existing songs come from, right?
[21:03] <Letozaf_> dkessel, yes
[21:05] <dkessel> oh ok... now I see. I believe it used to depend on some other package which supplied the example song...
[21:06] <dkessel> but has changed to include the data itself
[21:06] <Letozaf_> dkessel, yes
[21:08] <dkessel> Letozaf_, I guess one could use some creative commons licensed files and edit them to be a lot smaller while preserving the metadata... maybe audacity can do such editing
[21:09] <dkessel> jono bacon even has some cc licensed music up ;)
[21:09] <Letozaf_> dkessel, sure, maybe first I will ask victor to see want he wants to do
[21:10] <dkessel> ok
[21:10] <balloons> yes, we chopped the files to make them smaller
[21:11] <dkessel> i wonder if the speakers are activated on the CI servers ;)
[21:15] <dkessel> is any of the lubuntu guys here?
[21:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have this error when running autopilot launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../music.app.qml :  qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''   do you know what it is, do you think I broke somehting or what
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, the same error with rssreader app :(
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, is it working on your  PC ?
[21:23] <balloons> Letozaf_, you are missing something
[21:23] <balloons> is the ubuntu-sdk installed?
[21:26] <dkessel> balloons, i am doing a daily package test... however the test is for a package that is not installed by default... i have not had this before. is the bug in the test steps (no installation step provided), or in the fact that the test is listed?
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, could be, sorry I ran it on my PC and it works there, I was using my notebook now so probably it is missing
[21:26] <dkessel> package being lxkeymap
[21:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will check thanks
[21:27] <balloons> dkessel, they should be default installed packages
[21:27] <balloons> dkessel, do you know the lubuntu-qa mailing list?
[21:28] <dkessel> balloons, ok. will mail them...
[21:28] <balloons> dkessel, yea.. ping them :-) Some folks used to be on IRC also but I haven't seen them around recently
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, argh! I messed around with the emulator and probably broke something on my notebook, I will have to try to fix it
[21:28] <balloons> Letozaf_, oO ;-p
[21:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, never matter, I probably messed around too much :P
[21:29] <knome> hey balloons :)
[21:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try to fix
[21:29] <balloons> hey knome
[21:29] <knome> i'll PM you...