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| robru | xnox, what's the deal with libpinyin4? i can't install it (even with -proposed enabled) | 18:43 |
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| infinity | robru: Looks installible here. Unless you mean in conjunction with what you already have installed? | 18:44 |
| infinity | robru: It breaks libpinyin2, so you'd need to wait for the transition to be complete there. | 18:45 |
| robru | infinity, well I have a freshly flashed mako with image 28. libpinyin4 is literally the first thing i'm trying to install. just says 'E: Package 'libpinyin4' has no installation candidate' | 18:45 |
| infinity | Oh, no installation candidate means it's not in your sources... | 18:46 |
| infinity | apt-get update? :P | 18:47 |
| robru | $ grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:47 |
| robru | deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ trusty-proposed main restricted | 18:47 |
| robru | deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ trusty-proposed main restricted | 18:47 |
| robru | I updated 5 times trying to fix this! | 18:47 |
| infinity | It's probably in universe. | 18:47 |
| robru | ah | 18:47 |
| infinity | Which it likely shouldn't be. I'll check and fix. | 18:47 |
| infinity | But for now, sed -i -e 's/main/main universe/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update | 18:48 |
| infinity | Err, no, it really should be in universe. | 18:48 |
| infinity | (And is) | 18:48 |
| robru | infinity, ok, got it, thanks. | 18:58 |
| xnox | infinity: ubuntu-keyboard is the last one that didn't transition to libpinyin4, i've ported it to libpinyin4 and it's been merged into lp:ubuntu-keyboard. this the 3rd time i'm being pinged about "libpinyin4" is not installable. | 19:02 |
| infinity | xnox: I guess archive components are a hard concept? :) | 19:02 |
| xnox | infinity: who knew?! =) i was asked about them at the interview.... granted i was interviewed by cjwatson / slangasek. | 19:03 |
| slangasek | hmm | 19:06 |
| slangasek | robru: why are you installing from -proposed? hopefully only for test builds, and not on your actual system | 19:07 |
| robru | slangasek, yeah, i'm testing the next version of ubuntu-keyboard and it has a hard dep on a version of libpinyin that is only in -proposed. | 19:34 |
| robru | slangasek, testing on my mako i mean, not on my laptop. | 19:35 |
| slangasek | robru: ok :) | 19:35 |
| robru | xnox, the error message is not exactly helpful. | 19:41 |
| xnox | robru: what can i say =) i didn't write apt =) | 19:59 |
| robru | xnox, WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT 20 YEARS AGO, HUH!?!?!?! | 19:59 |
| robru | ;-) | 19:59 |
| robru | xnox, yeah, dunno. i just woke this morning with instructions to test the new ubuntu-keyboard, which was tricky to install. had no idea you'd been pinged previously | 20:00 |
| infinity | robru: I'm not sure how the error message could be more helpful. | 20:14 |
| infinity | robru: It can't tell you about packaged it doesn't know about. | 20:14 |
| infinity | s/packaged/packages/ | 20:14 |
| robru | infinity, it might say 'Perhaps this package is from universe?' or it might say 'check your archive components' or something. 'not installable' when i can see the package is in -proposed and i can see -proposed is in my sources.list is unhelpful and infuriating | 20:15 |
| infinity | robru: And if you ask for a package that just doesn't exist, that error becomes more unhelpful than the current one. | 20:15 |
| infinity | (Which is probably the usual cause of it appearing for normal people) | 20:16 |
| robru | infinity, when a website is down and you try to load it in firefox, it lists possible reasons. 'this site might be down, your connection might be broken / etc'. apt could easily do something similar. | 20:16 |
| infinity | (There are also things that, for better or worse, parse that output and act on it) | 20:17 |
| infinity | I'm dubious that the set of "people who know what an archive component is" and "people who don't know that apt can't see packages it can't see" has much overlap. | 20:18 |
| infinity | And spelling it out for users who don't know what a component is doesn't seem like a sane thing to put in a terse terminal error message. | 20:19 |
| ScottK | infinity: "There's a problem, and if you haven't figured it out, you're too stupid to understand the explanation. Have a nice day." | 21:26 |
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