=== exekias_ is now known as exekais === exekais is now known as exekias === bjf is now known as _bjf [18:43] xnox, what's the deal with libpinyin4? i can't install it (even with -proposed enabled) [18:44] robru: Looks installible here. Unless you mean in conjunction with what you already have installed? [18:45] robru: It breaks libpinyin2, so you'd need to wait for the transition to be complete there. [18:45] infinity, well I have a freshly flashed mako with image 28. libpinyin4 is literally the first thing i'm trying to install. just says 'E: Package 'libpinyin4' has no installation candidate' [18:46] Oh, no installation candidate means it's not in your sources... [18:47] apt-get update? :P [18:47] $ grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list [18:47] deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ trusty-proposed main restricted [18:47] deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ trusty-proposed main restricted [18:47] I updated 5 times trying to fix this! [18:47] It's probably in universe. [18:47] ah [18:47] Which it likely shouldn't be. I'll check and fix. [18:48] But for now, sed -i -e 's/main/main universe/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update [18:48] Err, no, it really should be in universe. [18:48] (And is) [18:58] infinity, ok, got it, thanks. [19:02] infinity: ubuntu-keyboard is the last one that didn't transition to libpinyin4, i've ported it to libpinyin4 and it's been merged into lp:ubuntu-keyboard. this the 3rd time i'm being pinged about "libpinyin4" is not installable. [19:02] xnox: I guess archive components are a hard concept? :) [19:03] infinity: who knew?! =) i was asked about them at the interview.... granted i was interviewed by cjwatson / slangasek. [19:06] hmm [19:07] robru: why are you installing from -proposed? hopefully only for test builds, and not on your actual system [19:34] slangasek, yeah, i'm testing the next version of ubuntu-keyboard and it has a hard dep on a version of libpinyin that is only in -proposed. [19:35] slangasek, testing on my mako i mean, not on my laptop. [19:35] robru: ok :) [19:41] xnox, the error message is not exactly helpful. [19:59] robru: what can i say =) i didn't write apt =) [19:59] xnox, WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT 20 YEARS AGO, HUH!?!?!?! [19:59] ;-) [20:00] xnox, yeah, dunno. i just woke this morning with instructions to test the new ubuntu-keyboard, which was tricky to install. had no idea you'd been pinged previously [20:14] robru: I'm not sure how the error message could be more helpful. [20:14] robru: It can't tell you about packaged it doesn't know about. [20:14] s/packaged/packages/ [20:15] infinity, it might say 'Perhaps this package is from universe?' or it might say 'check your archive components' or something. 'not installable' when i can see the package is in -proposed and i can see -proposed is in my sources.list is unhelpful and infuriating [20:15] robru: And if you ask for a package that just doesn't exist, that error becomes more unhelpful than the current one. [20:16] (Which is probably the usual cause of it appearing for normal people) [20:16] infinity, when a website is down and you try to load it in firefox, it lists possible reasons. 'this site might be down, your connection might be broken / etc'. apt could easily do something similar. [20:17] (There are also things that, for better or worse, parse that output and act on it) [20:18] I'm dubious that the set of "people who know what an archive component is" and "people who don't know that apt can't see packages it can't see" has much overlap. [20:19] And spelling it out for users who don't know what a component is doesn't seem like a sane thing to put in a terse terminal error message. [21:26] infinity: "There's a problem, and if you haven't figured it out, you're too stupid to understand the explanation. Have a nice day."