[00:00] <TheHustle> it's reporting as "scsi2" in the devices column
[00:00] <TheHustle> it's ide
[00:00] <Azelphur> a USB DVD drive is a read only, you can just unplug it
[00:00] <TheHustle> Azelphur, i'm trying to read it
[00:01] <penguin42> TheHustle: And you have a drive in it?
[00:01] <Azelphur> whoops, for some reason I read that as unmount instead of mount >.<
[00:01] <daftykins> oh i didn't read DVD, whoops
[00:01] <TheHustle> penguin42, yes
[00:01] <penguin42> TheHustle: And you have a disk in it?
[00:01] <TheHustle> yes
[00:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: together, we can epicly fail at reading \o/
[00:01] <TheHustle> but no icon appears anywhere to access it
[00:01] <penguin42> TheHustle: OK, so does it show in the file manager?
[00:01] <daftykins> Azelphur: \o/
[00:01] <TheHustle> penguin42 no
[00:02] <TheHustle> penguin42, no it doesn't*
[00:02] <penguin42> TheHustle: Hmph
[00:02] <penguin42> TheHustle: do you have any other cdroms or DVDs in the machine?
[00:02] <TheHustle> i have a cd in the pc
[00:03] <TheHustle> dvd*
[00:03] <TheHustle> the external dvd drive is acting like it's ready to be read
[00:04] <penguin42> TheHustle: OK, so how about something at the command line like udisksctl mount -b /dev/sr1
[00:04] <TheHustle> 1 minute please, ill try it
[00:05] <penguin42> if sr1 doesn't work try sr0
[00:07] <TheHustle> udiskctl: command not found
[00:07] <penguin42> and if neither of those work then please pastebin  the output of /proc/partitions
[00:07] <penguin42> TheHustle: Which ubuntu?
[00:07] <TheHustle> 10.04
[00:08] <daftykins> wow.
[00:08] <daftykins> may be worth mentioning that 10.04 is unsupported now
[00:08] <penguin42> TheHustle: ok, so we need to use udisks for that
[00:09] <penguin42> TheHustle: Try   udisks --mount /dev/sr0
[00:09] <TheHustle> one moment please, ill try that now
[00:11] <TheHustle> error mounting, unknown device /dev/sr0
[00:12] <TheHustle> daftykins, i had to downgrade because the newest version wouldnt accept my external enclosure, something to do with a kernel bug in the newest release
[00:12] <penguin42> TheHustle: OK, if you do    cat /proc/partitions   do you see either sr0 or sr1 ?
[00:13] <TheHustle> one moment please
[00:14] <TheHustle> sda, sda1, sda2, sda5
[00:15] <TheHustle> that's all that's there
[00:15] <daftykins> "ls -l /dev/s*" ?
[00:16] <TheHustle> one moment please
[00:17] <penguin42> TheHustle: If you're not seeing an sr0 or sr1 in there then I think the drive isn't being detected
[00:17] <penguin42> TheHustle: you could pastebin the output of dmesg on the machine
[00:19] <TheHustle> this is one of the options in the list, root cdrom 11, 0 2013-11-21 23:33 /dev/sr0
[00:20] <TheHustle> the reason why i say "one moment please" is because the machine is upstairs, so i have to keep running up and down stairs
[00:20] <TheHustle> it has no internet access, sorry
[00:21] <daftykins> sounds like the internal drive only
[00:21] <daftykins> if you booted up with the external one connected, could you get a copy of the output of 'dmesg' pastebin'd for penguin42 ? :)
[00:21] <penguin42> TheHustle: Best way to keep fit
[00:22] <TheHustle> sorry my motherboard is sata only
[00:22] <TheHustle> the drive is ide
[00:22] <penguin42> TheHustle: try    lsusb
[00:22] <TheHustle> one moment please
[00:22] <penguin42> TheHustle: With it plugged in and with it not plugged in
[00:24] <TheHustle> there are 5x usb 1.1, and 2x usb 2.0
[00:24] <TheHustle> one moment please, ill go try that
[00:25] <penguin42> TheHustle: Do you have a digi camera?
[00:26] <TheHustle> the same
[00:26] <TheHustle> 5x usb 1.1, and 2x usb 2.0
[00:26] <TheHustle> penguin42: not off hand, sorry
[00:26] <ali1234> is this a motherboard with IDE that's chained off USB?
[00:26] <ali1234> or is it true external?
[00:27] <TheHustle> ali1234 external enclosure
[00:27] <TheHustle> usb
[00:27] <penguin42> TheHustle: OK, so you should see something other than the   root hub   lines in lsusb
[00:27] <penguin42> TheHustle: And when you plug your enclosure in you should see another line
[00:27] <penguin42> TheHustle: This enclosure does have an external PSU I assume?
[00:27] <TheHustle> no, the same 5/2
[00:27] <penguin42> TheHustle: OK, then it's not even seeing it as a usb device
[00:28] <TheHustle> yes external psu
[00:28] <ali1234> does it work on other computers?
[00:28] <penguin42> TheHustle: If lsusb isn't seeing it then it's not even seeing at as any usb device, so something pretty basic ain't happy
[00:29] <TheHustle> ill go double check
[00:29] <TheHustle> 1 moment please
[00:30] <TheHustle> ah...
[00:30] <TheHustle> now that's funny...
[00:31] <TheHustle> this time this appears...
[00:31] <TheHustle> Genesys Logic Inc, USB 2.0 Ide Adapter
[00:31] <penguin42> good!
[00:31] <ali1234> could be a dodgy usb port, or duff power supply
[00:31] <penguin42> nod
[00:32] <ali1234> or maybe the controller just can't handle DVD drives... not all of them can
[00:32] <TheHustle> penguin42, what should i do now please
[00:33] <penguin42> TheHustle: I'd look at the output of dmesg and see what it's saying about the usb device, and if it's appearing in lsusb   I'd also check /proc/partitions again, but if it's only appearing sometimes then something bad is happening anyway
[00:33] <ali1234> eject; eject -t
[00:33] <ali1234> tray should open and then close
[00:34] <TheHustle> ok, ill have a check, and report back in the morning
[00:34] <TheHustle> ill have to turn it now, many thanks for you help guys
[00:35] <TheHustle> night
[00:35] <daftykins> ta-ra
[00:35] <daftykins> now, for a relaxing tune - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1t0zwMk-w
[00:35] <daftykins> so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes
[00:45] <diddledan> daftykins: you trying to send me to sleep?!
[00:45] <diddledan> it's not 3am yet
[00:45] <diddledan> :-p
[00:45] <daftykins> =]
[00:48] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FoADDUU3bQ
[00:50] <diddledan> o_O
[00:51] <diddledan> htf is looking at www.oralyte.co.uk at this time of the day?! (I just got an email from the site that requires a visitor to actually fire (might be automated visitor/bot, I guess)
[00:51] <diddledan> wtf**
[00:51] <diddledan> I spell who as hoo :-p
[00:51] <ali1234> well i am now
[00:52] <diddledan> yeah but you wouldn't be if I hadn't mentioned it
[00:52] <penguin42> diddledan: It mentions a TV ad - when does it run?
[00:52] <ali1234> looks like the kinda thing advertized on late night tv
[00:52] <diddledan> erm. good question
[00:53] <ali1234> in between reruns of kojack
[00:53] <diddledan> I have no idea when the tv ad ran, will run - it's an old site - over a year since the last update
[00:53]  * penguin42 hands ali1234 a lolli
[00:54] <diddledan> the problem with pharma sites is the amount of beurocracy each change has to go through before it can be published
[00:54] <diddledan> every statement has to be backed up with evidence and citations up the wazooo
[00:54] <daftykins> :(
[00:57] <diddledan> it means that no matter how "engaged" the client wants to make their site they get waylaid by various entities checking that it doesn't make false claims etc. so in essence every site ends up unchanged from the moment it goes live
[00:58] <penguin42> diddledan: I'm guessing the same thing happens with banking and other things where people have screwed up badly enough
[00:58] <diddledan> yeah I would expect so
[01:01] <diddledan> and completely changing the subject. someone wants me to buy the domain "cluster-group.com" before it's too late and someone else beats me to it
[01:04] <diddledan> hmm, my details are wrong on the similarly named domain that I DO own (where they got my email from)
[01:04]  * diddledan goes and updates whois
[01:05] <daftykins> 0o
[06:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:02] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <dwatkins> morning all
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:33] <MooDoo> morning, it's pretty quiet in here at the moment
[09:33] <AlanBell> morning MooDoo
[09:35] <MooDoo> howdy AlanBell :D
[09:42] <GentileBen> MooooooooDoo.
[09:43] <MooDoo> hullooooooooo mooooooooooooooooooooooo
[09:47] <SuperMatt> morning guys
[09:47] <bigcalm> 13:48, I might have been a little cautious
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 13:48? you're several hours ahead?
[09:48] <GentileBen> What time do you think it is now, bigcalm?
[09:48] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: context is everything :D Google doodle
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> ah :)
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> I didn't finish it, but played it a bit :)
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Go For A Ride Day! :-D
[10:02] <SuperMatt> where shall I ride to, JamesTait?
[10:03] <SuperMatt> also, do I have to do it today, cos I'm quite busy
[10:03] <Laney> yes
[10:03] <SuperMatt> I have to run out of the door at work today because I have so much on
[10:03] <Laney> ride around the block
[10:03] <Laney> does look like quite a nice day for a ride actually
[10:03] <GentileBen> SuperMatt, why do you have to run out?
[10:03] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, you could do with a bike, then. :)
[10:03] <GentileBen> Why can't you stroll out?
[10:04] <GentileBen> Oh, you and JamesTait should go on a tandem bike ride along the Thames. ^_^
[10:04] <JamesTait> GentileBen, not the Trent?
[10:04] <SuperMatt> because I have to get changed in to my suit and make it to the London Hippodrome before 7 to help teach a dance class
[10:04] <JamesTait> GentileBen, or the Derwent?
[10:04] <GentileBen> They'd beat you senseless up there.
[10:05] <GentileBen> "Hippodrome" isn't nearly as epic as it sounds.
[10:05] <SuperMatt> no? you've been there?
[10:05] <GentileBen> It sounds Greek, and is unrelated to the aquatic predator.
[10:06] <SuperMatt> no, it's never been unrelated to hippos
[10:06] <GentileBen> SuperMatt there are no hippos in the Hippodrome.
[10:06] <GentileBen> It's not a zoo or anything.
[10:06] <GentileBen> I swear
[10:06] <SuperMatt> if you know anything, it's hippo is actually derived from greek or roman (I can't remember) meaning horse
[10:06] <SuperMatt> and a hippodrome would literally be a horse racing stadium
[10:06] <GentileBen> "The name hippodrome was derived from animal acts forming a significant part of the entertainment."
[10:06] <JamesTait> GentileBen, I've been on lots of rides along the Trent-Mersey canal and the old Derby canal route, and never been beaten senseless yet.
[10:06] <SuperMatt> so yes, hippodrome is as awesome as it sounds
[10:07] <GentileBen> Yes it used to be used for horse races.
[10:07]  * JamesTait just loves tempting fate.
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> it's "river horse" in ancient greek
[10:07] <GentileBen> JamesTait, but were you on a tandem bike with SuperMatt?
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> (Dutch is "Nijlpaard" -> "Nile horse")
[10:07] <GentileBen> Holding hands whilst singing Kylie Minogue songs?
[10:07]  * JamesTait splutters
[10:07] <Laney> mmm Trent
[10:07] <GentileBen> Try that and see if you aren't beaten Senseless up there.
[10:07] <JamesTait> I would *never* sing Kiylie Minogue songs!
[10:08] <GentileBen> Ah a Danni Minogue fan
[10:08]  * JamesTait turns away in disgust.
[10:08] <andylockran> morning guys
[10:09] <GentileBen> I brought up Kylie because I saw a Simpsons episode where they played her music
[10:09] <SuperMatt> I don't know where these conversations are heading
[10:09] <SuperMatt> can we just talk about linux again?
[10:09] <GentileBen> They cut to a gay club opposite Moe's which was named The League of Extra-Horny Gentlemen.
[10:09] <GentileBen> Made me laugh.
[10:10] <GentileBen> Hornet how's Ipswich?
[10:10] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, so, how about that Hannah Montana Linux, eh? :-P
[10:10] <SuperMatt> it's got wayland
[10:10] <SuperMatt> so it can't be all that bad
[10:11] <JamesTait> Has it really?
[10:11] <SuperMatt> I believe so
[10:11] <diddledan> it'ld be better than a miley cyrus linux
[10:11] <SuperMatt> I believe it was the first distro to ship using it by default
[10:11] <GentileBen> Does it have Twerk Recognition?
[10:12] <SuperMatt> oh wait
[10:12] <SuperMatt> I was thinking of Rebecca Black Linux
[10:12] <GentileBen> lol
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: well it *is* Friday
[10:12] <JamesTait> Hah!
[10:12] <GentileBen> I don't think that song was that bad.
[10:12] <MooDoo> FridayFridayFriday Linux
[10:12] <diddledan> argh
[10:12] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: hippopotamus surely, not hippodrome
[10:12] <GentileBen> I've heard worse from the likes of um Miley Cyrus.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: well, yes.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but they were wondering about hippos at the hippodrome
[10:14] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=noz8gRqPLGg#t=71
[10:15] <Myrtti> *swoon* Tom Hiddleston
[10:16] <GentileBen> Tom Huddlestone?
[10:16] <GentileBen> ...
[10:16] <GentileBen> Nevermind.
[10:17]  * mungbean gets it
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> it's all Greek to me
[10:18] <GentileBen> It's all double Dutch to me.
[10:18] <SuperMatt> right, if my final change has worked, I may finally have created my first ever juju charms and relation
[10:18] <GentileBen> I wonder if the Dutch know we English use the phrase "double Dutch" to describe incomprehensible somewhat technical/complex chatter?
[10:18] <GentileBen> They're probably too busy tending to their tulip beds to notice.
[10:19] <SuperMatt> I don't think I've heard anyone say that since the 80s
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:19] <SuperMatt> morning bro
[10:20] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:20] <mungbean> GentileBen: borderline racist trolling belongs in #reddit-sysadmin
[10:21] <GentileBen> Racist? Oh lawdy.
[10:21] <GentileBen> You've led a very sheltered life.
[10:22] <diddledan> the google doodle is a timesink today
[10:23] <bigcalm> Not a huge amount I'd say. 15mins tops
[10:23] <SuperMatt> I when you die, you get regenerated ;)
[10:23] <SuperMatt> bloody genius
[10:24] <bigcalm> Oh, that's why I got a different character from the one I chose
[10:24] <bigcalm> :D
[10:24] <SuperMatt> \o/
[10:29] <GentileBen> Yes let's talk about Dr Who.
[10:30] <GentileBen> Is it any good now? I watched a few episodes when it was Christopher Ecclestone and it was terrible.
[10:30] <mungbean> the first series from any new director is good
[10:31] <mungbean> then they do the messiah complex and 900yr old man fancying 20-something earth girl thing
[10:31] <mungbean> and it gets silly
[10:31] <GentileBen> Yeah, why is the companion always a young girl?
[10:31] <mungbean> because totty
[10:32] <GentileBen> People were appluading the producers for picking an older man for the role.
[10:32] <brobostigon> any good guides, on LSL ?
[10:32] <GentileBen> And it's like, wow, so now it's a 55-year-old guy perving over a 20-year-old?
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: LSL?
[10:32] <GentileBen> We'll know society has progressed when the doctor's companion is ugly as hell and old.
[10:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: linden script language.
[10:32] <AlanBell> GentileBen: Rory was kind of a companion
[10:32] <mungbean> nope, its a 900yr old guy
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ah, not Leisure Suit Larry (available on Steam for Linu ;))
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: neuro would know where to find that, I guess
[10:33] <mungbean> amy and the new girl are probably the prettiest girls on tv, so i think its not accidental
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Clara++
[10:33] <mungbean> rachel riley excepted
[10:33] <mungbean> (not lisa riley)
[10:34] <GentileBen> AlanBell, was there sexual chemistry between the Doctor and Rory?
[10:34] <GentileBen> If not, it's sexist and homophobic.
[10:35] <GentileBen> I think the Doctor would be pansexual given his age.
[10:35] <AlanBell> the doctor doesn't do humans really
[10:35] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companion_(Doctor_Who)#Eleventh_Doctor
[10:35] <GentileBen> Oh right he's not human is he?
[10:35] <directhex> except in two non-canon movies
[10:35] <AlanBell> there is quite a lot going on with Captain Jack of course :)
[10:35] <GentileBen> I read some Dr Who trivia by mistake recently.
[10:35] <directhex> and i find the whole sexual tension thing distasteful. jon pertwee was never sexually charged
[10:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, thank you.
[10:36] <GentileBen> AlanBell, heh they better have made the Torchwood guy's companions all muscled hot men with waxed chests.
[10:36] <diddledan> even a straight man would have trouble not having sexual chemistry with captain jack
[10:36] <GentileBen> directhex, that is perhaps the best sentence I have ever read on IRC
[10:36] <GentileBen> "jon pertwee was never sexually charged"
[10:36] <directhex> patrick troughton wasn't on screen, although he did die of a heart attack after screwing groupies at a conference
[10:36] <brobostigon> neuro: any advice on good LSL guides/manuals?
[10:36] <GentileBen> I don't know anything about Dr Who.
[10:37] <GentileBen> Well, I know it had cheesy storylines in the Ecclestone days.
[10:37] <GentileBen> I watched a Christmas special IIRC.
[10:37] <GentileBen> The one where the Doctor defeats the aliens with an orange.
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I just watched the last 2 "9th doctor" episodes again last night
[10:37] <GentileBen> And this is supposed to be top-drawer entertainment? He beats them with an orange?
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: *every* time Jack talks to someone, the doctor goes "Not now Jack"
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> "There's a time and a place, Jack"
[10:38] <mungbean> there's always a time and place to punch jack in the face
[10:38] <GentileBen> It's like the BBC Robin Hood series when they dressed them all in Topgear / Top Man clothes.
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> also, \o/ netflix
[10:38] <GentileBen> "Hey we have some oranges lying around let's use them as props."
[10:38] <mungbean> did you hear about the loser who watched all the avaialbel dr who episodes from time immemorial in the run up to this 50th thingy
[10:39] <diddledan> loser? I resemble that remark
[10:39] <diddledan> wait, no, that should be resent
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Tony?
[10:40] <mungbean> well he lost 3000hrs of his life
[10:40] <diddledan> ouch
[10:40] <diddledan> that's a lot of who
[10:40] <mungbean> i've watched them too, just sspread over 38 years
[10:43] <popey> I enjoyed the thing that was on last night
[10:43] <popey> Adventures in Space and Time
[10:45] <GentileBen> mungbean, did you introduce Dr Who to the bean sprouts?
[10:46] <mungbean> i don't actually like beans
[10:48] <brobostigon> get-iplayer --nopurge --type=tv 33 34   :)
[10:49] <mungbean> get_iplayer for me. weird
[10:50] <popey> i can't decide if /r/idiotsfightingthings /r/cringe or /r/whatcouldgowrong are my fave subreddits at the moment
[10:51] <mungbean> doing quite well with my reddit cold turkey
[10:51] <mungbean> even when people mention it
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: the "Cooking in a robe" one.. I've seen that happen to my dad once
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: (on whatcouldgowrong)
[10:52] <arsen> knew i'd find some good doctor who chat in here :D
[10:53] <directhex> want some different chat?
[10:53] <directhex> the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii, now qualify as "retro gaming"
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Finally!
[10:54] <mungbean> time to buy one soon then
[10:54] <directhex> retro collectibles!
[10:54] <Laney> wonder what my n64 is then
[10:55] <popey> Yet the Ouya doesn't count as retro gaming ☻
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Stone-age Gaming
[10:55] <directhex> Laney, older retro gaming
[10:55] <directhex> "retro gaming" is just anything which doesn't qualify as current-gen
[10:55] <popey> MartijnVdS: did he do the jump
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> Laney: well, maybe iron age
[10:55] <directhex> the xbone, ps4 and wiiu are current gen, not next-gen
[10:56] <Laney> interesting
[10:56] <popey> my brother in law spent the last few months playtesting games on XBox One.
[10:56] <popey> he had fun, but couldn't tell anyone about it.
[10:56] <directhex> popey, i don't know *where* to put the damn ouya. for now i'm still classifying it as a smartphone.
[10:56]  * Laney will have to dust it off at the weekend while visiting the rents
[10:56] <popey> heh
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: no, he took it off as fast as he could and dumped water on it
[10:56] <GentileBen> directhex: the Wii was retro gaming from launch day................
[10:56] <Laney> my unofficial expansion pak amuses me
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, I was 4, so I don't remember details (other than the pattern of the flames, like you see in that video :)
[10:56] <GentileBen> The Wii is two gamecubes taped together. The Wii U is an Xbox 360 with a slightly more powerful GPU.
[10:57] <directhex> GentileBen, regardless of the clear disparity in specifications, the wii was being sold & marketed as the latest machine from one of the biggest companies in gaming for years
[10:58] <mungbean> i still play the wii
[10:58] <GentileBen> directhex, it had about half a dozen amazing games but they were all from Nintendo.
[10:58] <mungbean> having kids helps
[10:58] <popey> my kids do too
[10:58] <GentileBen> Why would a third party EVER release a game for a Nintendo console?
[10:58] <directhex> GentileBen, i wouldn't go that far. i think the wii is probably my lowest rated console.
[10:58] <popey> my son still plays on my original xbox
[10:58] <directhex> maybe the megadrive
[10:58] <GentileBen> directhex, it has about 8 amazing games.
[10:58] <GentileBen> Games everybody should play.
[10:58] <directhex> GentileBen, name them
[10:59] <GentileBen> It's just that the other 500 games are terrible.
[10:59] <GentileBen> Um hang on let me pull out an IGN list...
[10:59] <mungbean> shaunwhite snowboarding is by ubisoft
[10:59] <popey> i really liked warioware
[10:59] <GentileBen> mungbean lol
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexklein/kano-a-computer-anyone-can-make
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> ^ seen that?
[10:59] <GentileBen> Wario Ware, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2
[10:59] <mungbean> both zeldas, super mario galaxy, wii sports, sports resort , wii fit plus, snowboarding world tour
[11:00] <Myrtti> brilliant timing, UPS van with dsamples XBox One arrives just when my videoconf starts
[11:00] <Myrtti> grrr
[11:00] <GentileBen> http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/08/14/the-top-25-wii-games-2
[11:00] <mungbean> donkey kong country, excellent game
[11:01] <mungbean> mario kart wii
[11:01] <mungbean> lots of excellent games
[11:01] <directhex> i didn't feel it
[11:01] <directhex> i own about half that top 25 list
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> "Stop Wii-ing in the living room!"
[11:01] <directhex> and i just didn't feel it
[11:01] <bigcalm> Not sure if I can justify the price of a 3DSXL and game just to play the new Zelda game. What other good games are there for it?
[11:01] <directhex> mario galaxy is probably the pinnacle of wii output
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Pokemon X/Y?
[11:01] <directhex> bigcalm, ace attorney 5
[11:02] <mungbean> pro evo soccer was the best on any platform due to the wii remote improving gameplay
[11:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I've never seen a pokemon game, have a feeling it wouldn't be for me
[11:02] <directhex> wife & i played & completed 1-4 on the DS
[11:02] <mungbean> you could now put the ball anywhere on the field rather then predefined passes
[11:03] <directhex> let me check my wii shelves for games i'd consider genuinely excellent
[11:03] <bigcalm> directhex: can one play DS games on the 3DS?
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/software-comparison
[11:04]  * bigcalm reads
[11:04] <directhex> yeah, i'd say mario galaxy is my top wii game
[11:04] <directhex> smash bros is good as long as your wii is old enough to have gamecube ports
[11:04] <ali1234> IGN sucks they wouldn't know a good game if it stamped on their face
[11:04] <directhex> i didn't really feel much for either of the wii zelda games
[11:05] <directhex> i'd struggle to make a wii top 10, let alone top 25
[11:05] <directhex> i guess part of it is i'd be satisfied with, say, five life-defining games on the system
[11:05] <arsen> sorry got distracted by .. god forbid.. *work*
[11:05] <directhex> maybe even a couple of them
[11:05] <mungbean> had to stop playing zelda latest one when my gold wii remote died due to leaky batteries
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> arsen: eww, on Friday?
[11:05] <arsen> what's the official determiner of "retro"?
[11:06] <arsen> yeah i've told them, but people don't stop breaking things on fridays sadly.
[11:07] <mungbean> nxclient seem to have removed their links to download the v3 clients grrr
[11:08] <arsen> graphite/statsd/collectd/graphene/etcblah is todays job
[11:08] <arsen> i like making pretty pictures.
[11:08] <directhex> i'd rate the dreamcast ahead of the wii, from less than a half dozen genuinely incredible gaming experiences
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> arsen: shiny graphy things :)
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> I have a PSP with a handful of games if anyone is interested
[11:09] <directhex> Rez, now that was an experience
[11:09] <GentileBen> I'm interested in hearing more.
[11:10] <arsen> i was trying to find suggestions as to peoples favourite ways of pulling data from mysql into graphite, but any kind of google for "graphite" and "mysql" just returns the OTHER common result - people failing at installing django/graphite with mysql backend. sometimes google sucks a bit :(
[11:10] <arsen> maybe my googling needs improving.
[11:10] <directhex> i hear bing can get you the search results you need!
[11:10] <Rory> arsen: "mysql graphite import"
[11:11] <arsen> annoyance of the week - my company has moved to Gmail and the tardy IT dept hasn't considered our internet leased line may need some more bandwidth :<
[11:11] <SuperMatt> doh
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> TARDIS IT dept.
[11:12] <arsen> gona start collating some hillarious "time-to-load-website" stats and somehow turn it into a sarcastic support ticket.
[11:13] <arsen> nice, MartijnVdS, nice.
[11:13] <Rory> arsen: probably no need for that; if they're on the same connection they'll already know its slow
[11:14] <arsen> aha! you make some assumptions there. :D
[11:14] <arsen> it's the kind of IT dept that's more likely to assume "the internet" is busy (read: the rest of the world), rather than "there could be a problem in our systems"
[11:15] <mungbean> run iptraf on the firewall
[11:15] <SuperMatt> lollers
[11:16] <SuperMatt> in my last company, every department but IT had limited bandwidth
[11:16] <SuperMatt> but that was so that we couldn't be hampered by people watching youtube videos, while we were trying to back up a critical server to the colo because the raid had lost a drive
[11:16] <SuperMatt> or something
[11:17] <arsen> i had that at an old job, it was more so other people's browsing wouldnt hamper our youtube/tv streaming.
[11:18] <shauno_> sounds like a nice and simple "why would I place limits on myself?"
[11:18] <SuperMatt> hah, it wasn't really like that with us
[11:18] <SuperMatt> we got on with our work
[12:06] <GentileBen> TheOpenSourcerer: yo.
[12:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> 'sup GentileBen
[12:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> You did this yesterday then didn't say anything further...
[12:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Which was rather annoying
[12:08]  * popey ponders lunch
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: no pork today?
[12:08] <popey> heh
[12:08] <popey> -ENOPORK
[12:09]  * popey has noodles
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oodles of noodles!
[12:14] <popey> chicken-style quorn noodles in fact
[12:14] <popey> nom
[12:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Did a test last night with some green beans and a thin strip of nori. :-D
[12:16] <directhex> you could add bacon to your chicken-style quorn noodles to make them tastier
[12:18] <popey> true!
[12:18] <popey> I has no bacon
[12:18] <Myrtti> there's Scandinavian Christmas market in london this weekend
[12:18] <Myrtti> suddenly I want pork
[12:18] <popey> I could in fact cook some bacon and chop it up finely and then split it into small portions and freeze for later inclusion in noodle lunch
[12:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> lardons!
[12:19] <popey> yes!
[12:24] <MooDoo> our company has just paid for a chinese restuarant to come in and cook for us, it's smelling pretty nice in here at the moment.
[12:30] <Laney> oh man
[12:30] <Laney> I'll be there in 6 minutes
[12:31] <popey> \o/ Great success noodles
[12:33] <MooDoo> lol
[12:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer will be going home early today to prepare supper for our guests: Goats Cheese, Seared Lettuce & Spring Onion on a sourdough toast for starter. Followed by Chicken en Papillote with tomatoes & Rosemary, served with Hassleback potatoes & bundles of green beans. With an seville orange cheesecake to round it all off...
[12:33] <penguin42> what's 'Chicken en Papillote' ?
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> In a bag
[12:34] <penguin42> ah
[12:34]  * penguin42 likes the sound of the seville orange cheesecake
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> A paper bag. SEaled so it steams in it's own juices and the rest of the stuff you put in it.
[12:34] <MooDoo> sounds lovely
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Served sealed so the diner cuts open the bag and is enveloped in steamy lovelyness
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just need to do the timing schedule and I'm all set.
[12:35] <Laney> Got to make a weird phone call to the local volunteer / veggie café
[12:35] <arsen>  /me googles hassleback potatos
[12:35] <Laney> "erm... do you want a giant pumpkin?"
[12:35] <arsen> good typing there. good one me.
[12:36] <arsen> wow, they're interesting. not seen that before!
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I read that as "local volunteer / Wggie café" ;-)
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Weggie
[12:36] <penguin42> Laney: How giant?
[12:36] <Laney> wg wg wg
[12:36] <Laney> I've got a picture, one second
[12:41] <Laney> http://ubuntuone.com/7kPpb3xr0lrQliAl41L7ae
[12:42] <MooDoo> full sized image laney :p
[12:42] <penguin42> hmm if Doctor Who was 1st broadcast on 23rd Nov why do we get the google doodle today
[12:43] <Laney> MooDoo: for your inspection
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: timey-wimey things?
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: maybe an even bigger one tomorrow?
[12:43] <MooDoo> Laney: what on earth is that?
[12:43] <Laney> see above, it is a pumpkin
[12:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Atlantic Giant?
[12:43] <MooDoo> it's mahoosive
[12:44] <Laney> no idea what varietyu
[12:44] <MooDoo> yup it's a big one
[12:44] <Laney> my dad gave it to me, don't know why he thought I would want something that large
[12:47] <penguin42>  'Oh thanks, just what I erm....'
[12:48] <Laney> pretty much
[12:48] <mungbean> whats this amazon coins virtual currency?
[12:50] <penguin42> loyalty scheme?
[12:50] <bashrc> sounds like funny money
[12:52] <penguin42> like all loyalty schemes
[12:52] <diddledan> that's not even a real pumpkin. it's got cracks where the paint dried
[12:57] <GentileBen> How rarely do we talk about Ubuntu in here?
[12:57] <Laney> quite
[12:58] <mungbean> when visitors come in
[12:58] <GentileBen> We spend more time talking about our breakfasts than Wayland or Mir.
[12:58] <GentileBen> I skipped breakfast today.
[12:58] <GentileBen> 1.75 sandwiches for lunch.
[12:58] <diddledan> .75?
[12:59] <GentileBen> I ate half of one triangle.
[12:59] <diplo> 3/4's :)
[12:59] <diplo> lol
[12:59] <GentileBen> Three whole triangles and a half triangle.
[12:59] <diplo> I try not to look at this channel at lunch time because you all make me hungry!
[12:59] <GentileBen> Two triangles just aren't enough
[12:59] <GentileBen> But four? That's too much.
[13:00] <GentileBen> And my work refectory doesn't serve triple packs.
[13:00] <MooDoo> i'm on seconds already
[13:00] <diplo> Cut your sandwiches!? My son won't allow me to do that, that's for babies!
[13:00] <diplo> :)
[13:00] <diddledan> that sounds like a bug that needs reporting
[13:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: bigcalm: results of my test last night (after eating some off each end ;-) ) https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanLord/posts/jiYyBiBW9Gg
[13:02] <diddledan> issue: "triple-packed sandwiches remain inaccessible to end-user despite repeated attempts"
[13:03] <GentileBen> I should put in a change request for triple-pack sandwiches.
[13:03] <GentileBen> It's going to go to the change management board, which I sit on.
[13:03] <GentileBen> Is this a conflict of interest?
[13:04] <diddledan> hmm, quite possibly
[13:04] <GentileBen> I better declare it just in case.
[13:04] <GentileBen> What's the point of sitting on the board if I can't give my own pet changes priority? I am a successful IT professional and I demand triple-pack sandwiches.
[13:05] <penguin42> GentileBen: Wouldn't you want fresh sandwiches?
[13:05] <arsen> i can act as the rollback, i'll volounteer to eat all of the third sandwiches should it be deemed neccessary to revert to a two-sandwich system until such time as two-pack sandwiches can be manufacturered again.
[13:05] <GentileBen> They're "freshly made" but packed on the day.
[13:06] <GentileBen> arsen, your support is appreciated.
[13:06]  * GentileBen adds arsen as secondary contact for the change
[13:06] <arsen> i'll also volounteer to assist with the risk assessment by eating 1 in every 3 triple pack sandwiches made, to check they are still being made as a 3-sandwich container.
[13:06] <GentileBen> Ah you do QA as well?
[13:06] <arsen> samples of my risk assessment can be forwarded to the change management board at their discretion.
[13:06] <arsen> i'm a fully rounded consultancy, i can attempt to assist in many areas.
[13:07] <penguin42> and if the change management board survive then the sandwiches were risk free
[13:07] <Laney> so how about that Mir then
[13:07] <MooDoo> the spacestation?
[13:07] <diddledan> Laney: it burnt up during a failed reentry attempt
[13:07] <GentileBen> Failed?
[13:07] <arsen> i predict there will be no real efficiency loss with this new system, as each sandwich pack will contain 1 more than before, and we'll only lose 1 in 3 packs in the risk management process.
[13:07] <GentileBen> Wasn't it known that it'd burn up?
[13:07] <MooDoo> i predict a riot
[13:07] <GentileBen> RIP MIR
[13:08] <diddledan> GentileBen: it didn't survive the re-entry attempt, therefore the re-entry failed
[13:09] <Laney> It wasn't a reentry attempt
[13:10] <diddledan> what kind of idiot points a space station at the ground if it's not a re-entry attempt?!
[13:10] <Laney> boring, going to do something else now
[13:10] <diddledan> oh wait. russians.
[13:10] <Laney> I'll come back when you've done trolling
[13:10] <diddledan> that's never going to happen :-p
[13:11] <penguin42> diddledan: They did pretty well with that space station
[13:11] <diddledan> penguin42: until they crashed it
[13:11] <penguin42> diddledan: well minor issue...
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> into the pacific
[13:11] <diddledan> they've broken the movie Armageddon, now
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: well, we can use ISS as a substitute
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it has Russians on it as well
[13:12] <diddledan> and the americans have broken the movie "Space Cowbots"
[13:12] <diddledan> err
[13:13] <diddledan> cowbots sound interesting
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "MOO. MOO."
[13:14] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: shouldn't that be "Beep. Moo. Moo."?
[13:14] <diddledan> does `apt-get moo` still work?
[13:15] <diddledan> it does on 12.04
[13:15] <mungbean> Two men have been arrested in Saudi Arabia for offering free hugs to passers-by in the capital, Riyadh.
[13:15] <mungbean> The Saudi religious police detained the two young men for indulging in exotic practices and offending public order.
[13:16] <diddledan> wtF?
[13:16] <diddledan> I think saudi arabia must be broken
[13:16] <mungbean> The duties of Saudi Arabia's religious police, or mutawa, include preventing women driving, enforcing modest dress codes, policing bans on public entertainment and making sure all businesses close for prayers five times a day.
[13:19] <GentileBen> diddledan, Saudi Arabia is the most conservative country on earth.
[13:20] <GentileBen> They're also a strong ally of the US and UK.
[13:20] <GentileBen> The UK in particular - we sell lots of stuff to them.
[13:21] <GentileBen> As for the US, the US Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain and is primarily there to provide security to Saudi Arabia.
[13:22] <GentileBen> So they need us, and we need them apparently....so we turn a blind eye to the fact they execute men for being gay, and women for being raped.
[13:22] <diddledan> they've got a lot of oil-money that we want
[13:22] <diddledan> they're a pretty rich nation
[13:24] <GentileBen> Rich in terms of natural resources....not culture.
[13:24] <GentileBen> Well, Arabia in the Middle Ages was the cultural centre of the world.
[13:25] <diddledan> arabia covered most of the eastern countries though
[13:25] <diddledan> modern eastern countries*
[13:25] <GentileBen> Whilst Europe was busy devising more elaborate ways of discriminating against Jews, the Arabs and Persians were busy doing things like inventing algebra and introducing the zero into complex math.
[13:25] <mungbean> :-|
[13:26] <GentileBen> Oh, they also founded modern medicine and established the scientific method.
[13:26] <GentileBen> And now? They contribute nothing to world culture apart from despair.
[13:26] <GentileBen> How the tables have turned.
[13:26] <arsen> meanwhile, in the western world - i've mastered the art of eating a teacake using the three part method: chocolate, marshmallow, biscuit.
[13:27] <arsen> think i'm going to IEEE it.
[13:27] <penguin42> arsen: One of those things that takes significant practice
[13:27] <mungbean> not sure which era GentileBen is referring to
[13:27] <penguin42> arsen: And an M&S 16 pack
[13:27] <mungbean> "Whilst Europe was busy devising more elaborate ways of discriminating against Jews," is one of the most bizarre things i've ever read
[13:28] <GentileBen> mungbean, lol, do you know anything of European history?
[13:28] <arsen> exactly what i have in front of me, penguin42. I find the tunnocks ones tastier, but more difficult to master due to the mallow viscosity metrics.
[13:28] <GentileBen> Spanish Inquisition? Usury laws?
[13:29] <penguin42> GentileBen: You missed Clifford's tower
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> arsen: that sounds like something from http://www.reddit.com/r/VXJunkies
[13:30] <GentileBen> According to Wikipedia it was only 150.
[13:30] <penguin42> GentileBen: To be fair I think the Spanish Inquisition was a more general set of pillage and discrimination
[13:33] <mungbean> dr who keeps sticking/lagging on the google doodle game
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Western hemisphere also comes up with amazing ideas like this: http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2012/UltimateManwich.htm "The Manwich".
[13:45] <popey> hmm, amazon just sent me £40.90 and I don't know why.
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> MOAR toys!
[13:46] <Laney> oh they meant to send that to me
[13:46] <Laney> just pop it on over here if you would
[13:46] <popey> Too late
[13:49] <arsen> speaking of amazon, need an xmas list :D
[13:49] <diddledan> QI told us "who expected the spanish inquisition"
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: Pre-order price guarantee?
[13:50] <popey> i have no idea
[13:51] <popey> if I add a pound I could get GTA5 ☻
[13:57] <GentileBen> TheOpenSourcerer: MY MANWICH!!!
[13:57] <penguin42> popey: When you say that amazon just sent it you - in what way? It landed in a gift card/amazon account?
[13:58] <popey> email
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe they just love you popey
[13:58] <penguin42> popey: Is it real - or is it spam?
[13:58] <popey> real
[14:04] <ali1234> it's a faaaaaaaake
[14:04] <popey> Nope
[14:04] <popey> redeemed it
[14:05] <penguin42> popey: Had you recently bought a lot of stuff with them?
[14:05] <popey> "Available Gift Certificate Balance: £40.90"
[14:05] <popey> Upcoming Gift Certificate Expiries
[14:05] <popey> £40.90	on 22 Nov 2023
[14:05] <popey> no
[14:06] <popey> in the email it says "From: Amazon"
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> maybe they just like you a lot?
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> bye all - have a nice weekend. I am going to :-)
[14:09] <popey> o/
[14:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dinner tonight and beer festival tomorrow
[14:11] <MooDoo> later :)
[14:25] <mungbean> i receive £100 in vouchers once
[14:25] <mungbean> from a outdoor camping store
[14:25] <mungbean> i sent them back as they were for a differnet mungbean
[14:33] <arsen> such a common name these days
[14:33] <SuperMatt> OMG I'VE FINALLY MANAGED TO WRITE MY OWN JUJU CHARMS AND RELATIONSHIP
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: congratifications!
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: What can you deploy now?
[14:33] <SuperMatt> I'm now an expert
[14:34] <SuperMatt> a customised version of nginx as a load balancer, and a boat load of nodejs apps
[14:34] <arsen> lovely.
[14:34] <SuperMatt> horizontal scaling ftw
[14:34] <arsen> i wish i could use ubuntu at work :(
[14:34] <SuperMatt> the best way is to become a systems administrator
[14:34] <arsen> that is me. :)
[14:35] <SuperMatt> oh
[14:35] <SuperMatt> are you forced to use debian?
[14:35] <arsen> worse!
[14:35] <SuperMatt> red hat?
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Centos?
[14:35] <SuperMatt> CENTOS?!?!?
[14:35] <arsen> partially, but also some worse!
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Gentoo?
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> AIX?
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> (pronounced as "aches")
[14:35] <arsen> hm.
[14:35] <diddledan> dont' mention Gentoo
[14:35] <arsen> worse? :x
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Gentoo! Gentoo! Arch! FreeBSD!
[14:35] <diddledan> I have to admin Gentoo boxen
[14:36] <SuperMatt> slackware?
[14:36] <SuperMatt> windows?
[14:36] <SuperMatt> OSX?
[14:36] <arsen> SuSE :(
[14:36] <SuperMatt> oh, you think that sucks?
[14:36] <diddledan> my subtle plan that seems to be working so far is: break them irrepairably and get management to agree to replace them with ubuntus
[14:36] <SuperMatt> because I've been hearing really good things about opensuse v12 and above
[14:36] <arsen> i have done ubuntu tests but doesnt really work with our existing infrastructure.
[14:36] <arsen> oh no, this isn't opensuse. :x
[14:37] <diddledan> SLES?
[14:37] <SuperMatt> just regular suse?
[14:37] <SuperMatt> man
[14:37] <arsen> correct, SLES.
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> arsen: poor man
[14:37] <diddledan> ouch
[14:37] <arsen> i managed to drop SLED for desktops in favour of CentOS as it was a clean swap with no real changes to anything else needed.
[14:37] <diddledan> CentOS was viable as a desktop?!
[14:38] <SuperMatt> oh man, the last SLES release was 4 and a half years ago
[14:38] <SuperMatt> according to wikipedia
[14:38] <arsen> i thin the latest SP2 we use was released not too long ago, maybe last year.
[14:38] <SuperMatt> there's an SP3 now
[14:38] <SuperMatt> but surely it's time to break away from service packs and do a new release?
[14:39] <arsen> yeah it's SLES for a business requirement rather than any logical reason.
[14:39] <diddledan> no, I think you mean. It's SLES because the boss fell for marketing
[14:39] <arsen> mainly the naivety of my predicessor.
[14:40] <arsen> for what we do there's only really ~3 options, one was SuSE.
[14:40] <diddledan> o_O
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> Oracle.
[14:40] <arsen> god no.
[14:41] <arsen> i managed to drop Oracle hardware within my first month :D
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> they do SuSE, RHEL and their own "bulletproof linux"
[14:42] <diddledan> slowloris
[14:43] <arsen>  i guess i could replace the ancient NIS system and that'd allow a bit more flexibility in non-prod systems.
[14:50] <diddledan> NIS shouldn't restrict you although unless it's NIS+ (proprietary oracle/sun afair) then your passwords are visible to anyone on the network (albeit the hashes thereof)
[14:59] <diddledan> hmm, 40 gentoos to patch
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yum!
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. emerge!
[15:03] <diddledan> I've still got 14 servers that I haven't even checked their maintainability/got them sufficiently updated that portage actually works yet, and that's since I started going through them all over a year ago
[15:03] <diddledan> the joys of gentoo
[15:03] <diddledan> if I didn't do it, though, it wouldn't get done
[15:04] <diddledan> and then when something goes wrong, management complain that it wasn't done - I'm only one man and they keep pulling me off to do other work
[15:04] <mungbean> gentoo in the workplace?
[15:04] <mungbean> twisted!
[15:05] <diddledan> yeah, it was set up by a sadist
[15:05] <mungbean> i would sack them
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: not a masochist?
[15:05] <mungbean> pure negligence
[15:05] <mungbean> or a plloy for job retention
[15:05] <mungbean> but selfish anyway
[15:06]  * mungbean is in the server room replacing a broken switch
[15:06] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: he used to be a masochist. but then he turned 30 and vowed never to do server admin work ever again. so became a sadist by handing it over to me and laughing
[15:06] <mungbean> trying to hammer out a working config
[15:09] <ali1234> if you select the "automatic login" option during install, how do you clear it?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: probably by fiddling with lightdm config
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: or PAM
[15:10] <arsen> diddledan  - its NIS, rather than NIS+ - but i found NIS a pita on ubuntu desktop, and the alternative is to break out nis into ldap/bind
[15:37] <dubaco_> hej
[15:38] <daftykins> hi
[15:45] <arsen> hejsan
[15:45] <arsen> hi2u daftykins
[15:46] <daftykins> hi sir
[15:46] <dubaco_> arsen: hur mår du
[15:50] <arsen> god tack (?!) ? :D
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[15:50] <arsen> what's going on in daftykinsland
[15:51] <dubaco_> arsen:  nothing much, its cold and they are whining about it /the usual
[15:52] <daftykins> arsen: mmm not much here, getting cold and i've not got much work on atm so all is quiet
[15:52] <arsen> sounds pretty much the same across the board. here too.
[15:52] <arsen> i'm playing with graphite.
[15:52] <daftykins> in a pencil? :D
[15:53] <arsen> kinda, there is a 'pencil' tool to use with it i think.
[15:53] <daftykins> back shortly!
[15:55] <dubaco_> arsen: heard about the graphine profolactic that they are making in Sweden?
[15:55] <penguin42> dubaco_: You mean that they're making in Manchester
[15:56] <penguin42> dubaco_: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/stiff-competition-manchester-universty-researchers-6324185
[15:56] <dubaco_> penguin42: yes based on swedish research (i dont actually know.. but most things come from sweden)
[15:57] <dubaco_> swedens awesome... for women
[15:57] <arsen> :D
[15:57] <dubaco_> as  a women i do miss it, i mean i have value in sweden
[15:58] <penguin42> dubaco_: I'm sure they'll need testers
[15:59] <dubaco_> there are pleanty investment bankers who would be apt testers - i mean there are... knowlegeable about something
[16:01] <arsen> so that makes you sweden's most valuable export, dubaco_ ?
[16:01] <penguin42> dubaco_: Actually I can't find the actual press details, but there were a bunch of about 10 or so groups given funds for this research on better condoms, at least 2 of them proposing using graphene
[16:02] <dubaco_> arsen no, sweden's most valuable export, is me
[16:02] <dubaco_> oh and glögg
[16:03] <arsen> ok i'm confused. i thought that's what i said :<
[16:03] <dubaco_> but economiclly i guess that may be Ikea
[16:03] <arsen> glogg is good :D
[16:03] <dubaco_> I just bought the ingridiants for Glögg
[16:03] <arsen> there could be lots of potential monetary value locked in you, dubaco_ - you may not yet of reached your lifetime economic peak!
[16:04] <dubaco_> arsen, true, when they let me sail with SOIC this april i'll be glad - then i can get into university
[16:04] <dubaco_> studying History and Scandinavian studies
[16:08] <arsen> interesting. i'm all done with Uni for now.
[16:09] <dubaco_> arsen: is uni done with you though?`
[16:09] <arsen> probably not, they keep asking me for details about jobs
[16:09] <dubaco_> where did you study?
[16:09] <arsen> i'll go back for an MBA or PHD maybe.
[16:09] <dubaco_> stockholm eller??
[16:10] <arsen> nono, i'm English :) I pretended to learn things at Portsmouth.
[16:10] <dubaco_> ah, but you speak swedish??
[16:10] <arsen> not really, :D
[16:10] <dubaco_> you know swedish????!
[16:11] <dubaco_> **looks disapointed**
[16:11] <arsen>  have a friend who does, he spent a year there. I almost did a year at Uppsala.
[16:11] <arsen> sorreh :)
[16:11] <dubaco_> Uppsala rocks - i like the cathederal - its awesome, and is where many swedish kings and queens lay
[16:12] <dubaco_> vasa lays there does he not?
[16:13] <arsen> I know there IS a cathederal, not much about the history though. The Uni is pretty impressive.
[16:14] <dubaco_> i agree when i get 4000 pounds i will go study Swedish fora while there
[16:16] <dubaco_> gtg
[16:16] <dubaco_> pok x"
[16:18] <arsen> o_O
[16:21] <Rory> What vps provider has really cool IP addresses that are short?
[16:21] <Rory> I'm a sucker for that sort of thing?
[16:21] <Rory> s/?/
[16:23] <arsen> i'm pretty sure you can't buy IP's by length.
[16:33] <sara_1> hej
[16:33] <sara_1> im back
[16:34] <sara_1> dubaco
[16:34] <arsen> good job!
[16:35] <sara_1> arsen, have you noticed that on Ubuntu 13.10 there is a graphical display error on xserv, on a asus k53u
[16:35] <sara_1> it really is a bit naff
[16:35] <arsen> afraid i dont have that board!
[16:35] <sara_1> fear not
[16:36] <popey> i have a similar board
[16:38] <sara_1> popey: how to use paste in non graphical mode so i can paste the output of LSPCI in f2 and have a copy of the link to paste here?
[16:39] <sara_1> i mean like 'paste lspci > paste.ubuntu.com' or something like that
[16:40] <sara_1> arsen: ?
[16:40] <popey> pastebinit
[16:40] <popey> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[16:40] <popey> lshw > pastebinit
[16:40] <sara_1> and then how to copy the link?
[16:40] <popey> its short, just type it
[16:44] <sara_1> it did it but no link came up
[16:44] <sara_1> popey:
[16:44] <popey> oof, sorry, lshw | pastebinit
[16:45] <popey> you probably have a file called "pastebinit"
[16:46] <ali1234> sara_1: did i fix your bluetooth?
[16:48] <ali1234> if you want it fixing permanently, the kernel people need some information on your hardware: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-bluetooth/msg35730.html
[16:48] <sara_1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6459372
[16:49] <sara_1> ali1234: no you didnt
[16:49] <sara_1> ali1234: should that help?
[16:49] <ali1234> i dunno, maybe it was someone else
[16:49] <sara_1> yes it was me
[16:49] <sara_1> But you did not fix it completly
[16:50] <ali1234> oh?
[16:50] <ali1234> it would have stopped working the next time the kernel updated
[16:50] <sara_1> the correct question would be "did you ask me to help fix your bloothooth a while ago?" :D - grammar is so hard isn't it?
[16:50] <ali1234> the patch needs to be incorporated in the upstream kernel, but they refused it, cos they need more information
[16:51] <sara_1> to which my answer would be yes
[16:51] <ali1234> of course if the fix didn't work anyway, then there's no point sending it upstream
[16:52] <sara_1> well it was recognised but does not work now anyway
[16:52] <ali1234> as i said, that's because the kernel has been updated in the past six months
[16:53] <sara_1> paste.ubuntu.com/6459396 i hear you, and am trying to help you give more infos
[16:58] <ali1234> sara_1: well all that is needed is sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices | pastebinit
[16:58] <daftykins> hmm one of those little AMD APU systems
[16:58] <daftykins> they're quite the underachievers, in performance terms :(
[16:58] <ali1234> and then tell me if you want your name and email on the patch or not (you probably don't)
[17:01] <daftykins> arsen: have you new console gen been of any interest to you? regardless of intent to purchase
[17:09] <arsen> i'm undecided really, i'd love to upgrade my home PC but i cant really see any reason to. Ergo i probably won't jump on a console - as if i'm gona spend it will be going towards a new (gasp) mac air, or my PC. I like the look of the PS4 tho.
[17:11] <ali1234> wow. if you run "lightdm --test-mode" normally it just loops the login screen over and over
[17:11] <ali1234> but if you have lightdm configured for auto login you get a full nested desktop session
[17:11] <SuperMatt> grrr
[17:11] <ali1234> which is actually quite handy
[17:11] <SuperMatt> the most annoying this about losing weight is now my suit is too big :(
[17:12] <SuperMatt> *thing
[17:15] <ali1234> wear loads of jumpers?
[17:24] <daftykins> arsen: mmm, i looked at upgrading my desktop a bit ago - it'd be £800 odd to move this c2q up to a decent i7 - just no reason to really
[17:24] <daftykins> i love getting to setup other peoples systems so i can see just how pointless it'd be :D
[17:24] <arsen> pretty much
[17:25] <arsen> i've got a 5.2ghz 6 core box under my desk, with some SSDs and 64gig of ram
[17:25] <arsen> makes doing anything to my home PC less exciting.
[17:25] <arsen> actually i lie, its 5.1 at the moment.
[17:25] <daftykins> ^_^
[17:26] <arsen> i seem to be getting AWS invoices, i think i need to remove some data off the storage thing. not cool.
[17:51] <daftykins> hmm the mirrors don't seem to be performing so well
[17:52] <daftykins> i just used the software sources prog to auto select mirror - got given this funky as29550.net one
[17:52] <daftykins> it gave me 2MB/sec vs. gg.archive...'s 2Mb
[18:05] <Azelphur> Has anyone ever bought a robotic vacuum cleaner (roomba type thing) and got any recommendations? thinking of picking one up for my flat as it's all hardwood and has no steps, I imagine a robot would make short work of it.
[18:06] <diddledan> shauno has robosuck
[18:06] <Azelphur> fun :)
[18:09] <daftykins> Azelphur in his ongoing pursuit of never wanting to leave his seat! :)
[18:09] <Azelphur> yup
[18:09] <Azelphur> daftykins: and in the meantime, I bought a neptune pine, take my computer with me
[18:09] <Azelphur> :)
[18:09] <daftykins> what's that sir?
[18:11] <Azelphur> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/neptune/neptune-pine-smartwatch-reinvented
[18:11] <Azelphur> I got the early backer deal
[18:13] <diddledan> so it's a phone that you wear on your wrist?
[18:13] <Azelphur> diddledan: pretty much
[18:13] <Azelphur> I plan to use it as a companion device
[18:14] <penguin42> Azelphur: Looks a bit bug
[18:14] <penguin42> big
[18:14] <Azelphur> penguin42: wuss, I remember carrying around my XPS M1730.
[18:14] <diddledan> 1.2GHz dual-core? in a watch?
[18:14] <diddledan> wow
[18:15] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, impressive
[18:15] <shauno> I like my roomba.  I don't think it does as good a job as an actual vacuum - but it does a better job than me
[18:15] <diddledan> that's gonna eat flatteries for, well, a snack
[18:16] <penguin42> diddledan: That's pretty low end for a lot of the android kit these days; the real prob is that the watch doesn't have the room for a large battery
[18:16] <daftykins> hrmm i felt like answering a simple askubuntu.com question, so i logged into my launchpad account but now when i'm trying to click on 'log in with launchpad' i'm getting told "No OpenID endpoint found" ?
[18:16] <diddledan> 2.4inches should be enough for anyone
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[18:17] <Azelphur> well i plan to use it as a companion device so most features will be off
[18:17] <shauno> my only complaint (I've had it for 9 months?) is that it has no sense of direction.  it doesn't do a great job of finding its way home if the base station is in a different room
[18:17] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:18] <diddledan> shauno: that's why you need to build your own out of a raspberry pi. call it the piSuck
[18:19] <shauno> I've seen something close to that done before.  it has a serial port 'exposed' (under the plastic), so mounting a new brain and feeding it directions is easier than you'd expect
[18:19] <daftykins> nevermind i solved it - you use your launchpad ID not your 'username'
[18:19] <Azelphur> fun :)
[18:19] <penguin42> Azelphur: Their back facing camera is a bit weird - I think the Galaxy gear puts a camera on the wriststrap but that means you can't put an arbitrary strap on it
[18:19] <diddledan> what's the difference between launchpad id and username?
[18:20] <diddledan> I never knew there were two things
[18:20] <Azelphur> penguin42: has front and rear
[18:20] <Azelphur> the idea is that you can abuse it as a gopro with extra features
[18:20] <Azelphur> or use the front camera for video calling
[18:20] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh but the rear is facing your wrist most of the time
[18:20] <Azelphur> penguin42: not if you're abusing it as a gopro
[18:21] <shauno> oh, the other (roomba) oddity is that precisely one error message is verbalized as a recorded voice.  (error: move roomba to a new location).  everything else is communicated by song (?!)
[18:21] <Azelphur> but yea, I won't make much use of the rear camera, or the gps, or a host of the other features
[18:21] <Azelphur> but £120 ain't bad for such a versatile device
[18:21] <Azelphur> shauno: yay music
[18:21] <Azelphur> shauno: any specific roomba to get / models to avoid?
[18:21] <diddledan> shauno: it'ld be better if it was by dance
[18:21] <shauno> ie, happy song when it starts, finale when it finds the base station, sad song when it pushes the kitchen door shut and then can't find a way out
[18:21] <diddledan> accompanied by song if need be
[18:22] <diddledan> the funeral durge
[18:22] <Azelphur> shauno: haha
[18:23] <shauno> I've got a 521, which was about the cheapest one I could find at the time.  the only reason I'd really get anything more would be to have a built-in timer  (so you can schedule it to run while you're not home)
[18:23] <diddledan> you leave it at home unattended?
[18:24] <Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Irobot-Roomba-5545-/121217167174?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaners&hash=item1c391b2f46 might nab this one?
[18:24] <diddledan> that's probably classed as abuse by the RSPCA
[18:24] <diddledan> shauno: do you at least leave a little water?
[18:29] <Azelphur> shauno: any comments on that one^ :)
[18:31] <shauno> was just looking .. I don't understand their numbering scheme at all :)
[18:31] <Azelphur> shauno: me either, apparently it's the same as a Domotec DVU00018
[18:31] <Azelphur> according to some forum post
[19:45] <diddledan> google docs/drive ftw
[19:45] <diddledan> I've just put in a load of conditional formatting and data validation on a spreadsheet that lists tasks and their status for various servers
[19:45] <diddledan> it looks funky now
[19:46] <diddledan> colours everywhere
[19:46] <diddledan> up the wazzoo, so to speak
[19:47] <daftykins> XD
[19:47] <daftykins> ah, didn't know gDocs supports conditional formatting now
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: that reminds me of.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSxAoxwYyxE
[19:56] <daftykins> he had long hair :O
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it was late 2005 (even though the video claims it was uploaded in '08) :)
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: this is UDS-Montreal, where Dapper Drake was thought out
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[19:59] <daftykins> wowzer!
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: this was in Mataro (near Barcelona), in December 2004: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157622499451161/
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: just after Warty released
[20:01] <mungbean> how can i bulk edit mp3tags when lookup dont work, but instead i want to write the file/folder names instead as mp3 tags?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I'd use picard
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: if you can't look it up with that, it doesn't exist :P
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: that or exfalso
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> (which can tag files manually AND rename files based on tags)
[20:03] <mungbean> its an audiobook
[20:03] <mungbean> i was trying picard, i'll try exfalso, ta
[20:04] <mungbean> the only apple device in my house is an accidental purchase of 1st gen ipod nano
[20:05] <mungbean> doesn't allow file/folder structure
[20:05] <mungbean> unless rockbox works on it :P
[20:05] <mungbean> oh...
[20:05] <mungbean> Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g, iPod Mini, iPod Nano 1g
[20:06] <daftykins> hehe
[20:06]  * penguin42 does have a Nano he was given, and some ~25 year old PPC Macs
[20:06] <daftykins> :D
[20:06] <daftykins> i had a PPC iMac which hard locked when you plugged in a USB mass storage device
[20:07] <penguin42> USB? Pah modern
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> ADB is where it's at
[20:07] <penguin42> These are PowerMac 6100 and 7200's - yeh ADB
[20:07] <daftykins> ADB?
[20:07] <daftykins> android jobby?
[20:07] <daftykins> 0o
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: apple desktop bus
[20:08] <penguin42> apple desktop bus I think
[20:08] <diddledan> emac
[20:08] <daftykins> ah
[20:08] <diddledan> that's where it's at
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus
[20:08] <daftykins> oh i'm certainly no fan of USB (:
[20:08] <diddledan> apple stuff always used to use scsi in the 90s
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> "No machines being built today use ADB for device interconnection, but up to February 2005, PowerBooks and iBooks still used the ADB protocol in the internal interface with the built-in keyboard and touchpad. "
[20:08] <penguin42> why? USB has been the single best thing to happen in computers for a long long time
[20:08] <diddledan> everything was scsi even scanners
[20:08] <penguin42> even printers
[20:09] <penguin42> diddledan: A lot of older scanners were SCSI, some of the parallel scanners are scsi with a parallel-scsi bridge in
[20:09] <daftykins> oh it's certainly had benefits, but it also had many frustrating elements from inception
[20:09] <daftykins> i was happy on my PS/2 peripherals for quite some time :D
[20:09] <penguin42> really? I think all the frustrations have been shitty USB hubs with broken PSUs
[20:09] <mungbean> so hopefully ipon nano rockboxed should work like anyway normal mp3 player?
[20:10] <daftykins> ugh hubs ;)
[20:10] <daftykins> classic case of users trying to connect too many things at once
[20:10] <diddledan> in the windows 95 days you had to do weird driver hoop-jumping because it wouldn't let you plug an unknown device into the system and _then_ install the driver. you had to install the driver first
[20:10] <daftykins> but yeah the whole USB master/slave relationship of old was quite frustrating
[20:10] <diddledan> usb*
[20:12] <diddledan> of course linux was only a baby back then
[20:14] <penguin42> Linux was good fun back then
[20:14] <diddledan> I didn't really understand what was what in linux-land around that era
[20:15] <mungbean> when?
[20:15] <diddledan> I tried recompiling the kernel, but truth be told I didn't have a clue what I was doing or why other than "sound don't work and this document says that recompiling the kenrel is required to make it work" <-- I didn't understand what a kernel was even
[20:16] <daftykins> :)
[20:16] <diddledan> mungbean: mid90s
[20:16] <daftykins> things certainly got a lot easier once we had home routers sharing broadband connections
[20:16] <daftykins> (to try out different OSs)
[20:19] <mungbean> linux was most fun when ubunt was just released, although i'd been using it for a few years before then, ubuntu made it fun where redhat was dull
[20:19] <mungbean> (on the desktop)
[20:44] <daftykins> my client got a fully typed up snail mail letter from Adobe regarding the hack on them today
[21:03] <diddledan> daftykins: that's somewhat delayed
[21:04] <daftykins> indeed
[21:04] <daftykins> it says they decrypted some card details using their systems, i didn't realise that
[21:04] <daftykins> perhaps a new bank card should be requested
[21:35] <Myrtti> daftykins: Finnish banks have cancelled cards
[22:15] <daftykins> Myrtti: wowzer
[22:57] <ali1234> popey: i got my wiped EFS fixed at unlocksamsungonline.com - it was really dodgy and i had to send some money on paypal, but it worked
[22:57] <ali1234> and also had to install some very dodgy software on a windows computer
[22:57] <ali1234> but hey it's cheaper than a new phone
[22:57] <daftykins> is that when you wipe something when you're not ready?
[22:58] <ali1234> on samsung phones the IMEI is stored in protected flash
[22:58] <ali1234> it's possible to wipe it accidentally
[22:59] <ali1234> but you can't restore it, because then you'd be able to change the IMEI, which is illegal
[22:59] <ali1234> but some guy in .nl hacked the phone to be able to do this, but to use his software you have to buy a code from him
[22:59] <diddledan> you can wipe it but you can't write to it? how can you wipe it if you can't write?
[23:00] <ali1234> diddledan: there is a checksum. if the checksum doesn't match, he phone erases the EFS
[23:00] <diddledan> aha
[23:00] <ali1234> you can write the checksum but not the EFS
[23:00] <penguin42> ali1234: Sounds like someone stored the checksum in the wrong place
[23:00] <ali1234> i dunno how mine got wiped, other than i was flashing custom roms
[23:01] <penguin42> ali1234: What was that on?
[23:01] <ali1234> but yeah it's pretty crappy on samsung's part to make it breakable but not fixable
[23:01] <ali1234> this was on a samsung galaxy
[23:02] <ali1234> anyway if you wipe the EFS you get a default IMEI, which works on some networks and not others. and if you ring up for support they get really freaked out because changing the IMEI on a phone is highly illegal
[23:02] <ali1234> even if you just want to put it back to how it was
[23:02] <daftykins> :D
[23:03] <daftykins> yip pretty sure i've seen lots of big fat cautions beside every Samsung flashing forum thread on the big phone site i can't remember the name of right now
[23:03] <diddledan> lol, I'd like to hear that conversation
[23:03] <ali1234> yeah it was pretty funny because i didn't know what happened until i rang up support
[23:04] <ali1234> so i told them the IMEI of my phone and they were like "that's not a valid IMEI, you must have look ed at the wrong number"
[23:04] <ali1234> then they checked their logs and they were like "that's impossible"
[23:04] <diddledan> and this is why logging even on enterprise scale is important
[23:05] <ali1234> anyway i just wanted to report that even though that website looks incredibly dodgy, i have successfully used it to repair my phone
[23:05] <diddledan> it's pretty decent that you managed to get them to look up logs - it can't have been an average phone monkey
[23:05] <ali1234> it was t-mobile, after they merged with orange but before they turned into EE
[23:05] <penguin42> ali1234: Presumably now your phone is also being used to route international terrorist-arms-trading-porn-pirated DVDs around the world as well, but at least he's restored the IMEI
[23:06] <diddledan> \o/
[23:06] <ali1234> penguin42: who knows? i reflashed to cyanogenmod after backing up the fixed EFS
[23:06] <diddledan> speaking of which, where do I buy the terrorist-arms-trading-porn-pirated dvds other than in china?
[23:07] <ali1234> though i'm not sure what good the backup is, if you can't write it. but i havent had any problems since then
[23:10] <daftykins> :D
[23:10] <diddledan> hmm.. decisions decisions. despicable me 1 + 2. do I buy on itunes or googley playdoh?
[23:11] <penguin42> or amazon?
[23:11] <diddledan> there's a whopping £0.99 difference in cost between the two with apple coming out cheaper
[23:11] <daftykins> i watched both of those recently
[23:11] <daftykins> i'm a bit of a sucker for those kiddy films
[23:11] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah, they look awesome. I want a minion or three
[23:12] <daftykins> dunno, it's unclear if they need feeding
[23:12] <diddledan> ba ba ba. ba na nana
[23:17] <diddledan> for those that don't know the banana song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qsH_LFRr6k
[23:20] <Rory> There's a button here on my laptop and I have no idea what it does
[23:21] <diddledan> Rory: DON'T PUSH IT!!!!!1!!
[23:21] <ali1234> it's probably the 1 touch recovery
[23:21] <Rory> It's near my volume keys
[23:21] <diddledan> -_-
[23:21] <daftykins> that narrows it down
[23:21] <diddledan> does one-touch recovery fix my ubuntu for me?
[23:22] <ali1234> if you put ubuntu in the recover partition, sure
[23:22] <ali1234> it's basically just a dedicated boot menu button instead of pressing F2 or whatever
[23:22] <diddledan> they should put disclaimers on their manuals about it only recovering if you haven't deleted the "unknown partition"
[23:23] <Rory> It is a shell script that Googles the last error message, goes to the first Stack Exchange result, and runs any bash commands written in the top answer
[23:23] <daftykins> XD
[23:23] <ali1234> pretty much what i do all day ^
[23:23] <Rory> Fixes 99% of #ubuntu issues
[23:23] <diddledan> wait, did I miss a step
[23:24] <diddledan> how is a button near the volume keys a shell script that google the last error message, goes to the firsts stack exch...
[23:24] <Rory> diddledan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
[23:25] <diddledan> I fail to understand the punch line
[23:25] <Rory> Well ali1234 said it was the 1-touch-recovery
[23:25] <Rory> And I thought what a 1-touch-recovery for ubuntu would look like, in the context of "fix my thing that's broke"
[23:26] <daftykins> judging by my introduction to askubuntu.com questions earlier - it may take many forms
[23:29] <Rory> I really want to know what this is
[23:30] <Rory> I have volume mute, then 2 volume keys, then mic mute, then this weird button which is elongated and thin
[23:30] <stgraber> Rory: is that on a thinkpad?
[23:30] <Rory> It's not a programmable macro key or anything; this is a Thinkpad
[23:30] <daftykins> can you take a pic?
[23:30] <daftykins> or link to a pic
[23:30] <stgraber> Rory: ok, so that's the thinkvantage button
[23:30] <Rory> ...for real?
[23:30] <Rory> That is a thing?
[23:30] <stgraber> yep
[23:30] <penguin42> the blue lozenge
[23:30] <Rory> I thought it might have been to do with the switchable graphics
[23:31] <stgraber> penguin42: blue in older thinkpads, now just black on newer ones
[23:31] <stgraber> Rory: so on Ubuntu it won't do anything by default but you can bind it just like any other key. Here I use it as a shortcut to compiz's expose mode (usually win+e)
[23:31] <Rory> Also there's an upward-facing transparent porthole in between the touchpad and the fingerprint reader. It looks like a second webcam of some kind, but I can't think of a single use-case for that
[23:32] <stgraber> Rory: it's also used by some thinkpads as the interrupt key for their firmware (to get you into some kind of menu from which you can choose to enter the firmware menu or boot menu or some recovery options)
[23:32] <Rory> stgraber: Fair enough; my model uses the Return key
[23:32] <Rory> "Press Enter to interrupt normal boot..." it's the smoothest way of doing it I've ever seen
[23:33] <Rory> Then you have time to see what is the bios, what is the boot menu, and whatever else
[23:33] <Rory> Rather than ohcrap-ohgod is it f2 or del or what? Oh it's gone. Ctrl-alt-del... damn I missed Grub as well. Alt+SysReq+B
[23:34] <penguin42> stgraber: Oh, it was obviously too hard for them to keep to the nice obvious separate coloured button
[23:34] <popey> ali1234: will pass that on, thanks
[23:42]  * popey installed CM7 on an HTC Hero for the lols
[23:46] <daftykins> XD
[23:46] <daftykins> i'm not hugely fond of what KitKat has changed for me thus far
[23:47] <daftykins> but ah well - i shall deal with it
[23:53] <shauno> mathematica on the pi looks interesting .. just not sure what for yet
[23:54] <penguin42> shauno: So that you can dispay odd parabolic surfaces on random displays?