[00:00] it's reporting as "scsi2" in the devices column [00:00] it's ide [00:00] a USB DVD drive is a read only, you can just unplug it [00:00] Azelphur, i'm trying to read it [00:01] TheHustle: And you have a drive in it? [00:01] whoops, for some reason I read that as unmount instead of mount >.< [00:01] oh i didn't read DVD, whoops [00:01] penguin42, yes [00:01] TheHustle: And you have a disk in it? [00:01] yes [00:01] daftykins: together, we can epicly fail at reading \o/ [00:01] but no icon appears anywhere to access it [00:01] TheHustle: OK, so does it show in the file manager? [00:01] Azelphur: \o/ [00:01] penguin42 no [00:02] penguin42, no it doesn't* [00:02] TheHustle: Hmph [00:02] TheHustle: do you have any other cdroms or DVDs in the machine? [00:02] i have a cd in the pc [00:03] dvd* [00:03] the external dvd drive is acting like it's ready to be read [00:04] TheHustle: OK, so how about something at the command line like udisksctl mount -b /dev/sr1 [00:04] 1 minute please, ill try it [00:05] if sr1 doesn't work try sr0 [00:07] udiskctl: command not found [00:07] and if neither of those work then please pastebin the output of /proc/partitions [00:07] TheHustle: Which ubuntu? [00:07] 10.04 [00:08] wow. [00:08] may be worth mentioning that 10.04 is unsupported now [00:08] TheHustle: ok, so we need to use udisks for that [00:09] TheHustle: Try udisks --mount /dev/sr0 [00:09] one moment please, ill try that now [00:11] error mounting, unknown device /dev/sr0 [00:12] daftykins, i had to downgrade because the newest version wouldnt accept my external enclosure, something to do with a kernel bug in the newest release [00:12] TheHustle: OK, if you do cat /proc/partitions do you see either sr0 or sr1 ? [00:13] one moment please [00:14] sda, sda1, sda2, sda5 [00:15] that's all that's there [00:15] "ls -l /dev/s*" ? [00:16] one moment please [00:17] TheHustle: If you're not seeing an sr0 or sr1 in there then I think the drive isn't being detected [00:17] TheHustle: you could pastebin the output of dmesg on the machine [00:19] this is one of the options in the list, root cdrom 11, 0 2013-11-21 23:33 /dev/sr0 [00:20] the reason why i say "one moment please" is because the machine is upstairs, so i have to keep running up and down stairs [00:20] it has no internet access, sorry [00:21] sounds like the internal drive only [00:21] if you booted up with the external one connected, could you get a copy of the output of 'dmesg' pastebin'd for penguin42 ? :) [00:21] TheHustle: Best way to keep fit [00:22] sorry my motherboard is sata only [00:22] the drive is ide [00:22] TheHustle: try lsusb [00:22] one moment please [00:22] TheHustle: With it plugged in and with it not plugged in [00:24] there are 5x usb 1.1, and 2x usb 2.0 [00:24] one moment please, ill go try that [00:25] TheHustle: Do you have a digi camera? [00:26] the same [00:26] 5x usb 1.1, and 2x usb 2.0 [00:26] penguin42: not off hand, sorry [00:26] is this a motherboard with IDE that's chained off USB? [00:26] or is it true external? [00:27] ali1234 external enclosure [00:27] usb [00:27] TheHustle: OK, so you should see something other than the root hub lines in lsusb [00:27] TheHustle: And when you plug your enclosure in you should see another line [00:27] TheHustle: This enclosure does have an external PSU I assume? [00:27] no, the same 5/2 [00:27] TheHustle: OK, then it's not even seeing it as a usb device [00:28] yes external psu [00:28] does it work on other computers? [00:28] TheHustle: If lsusb isn't seeing it then it's not even seeing at as any usb device, so something pretty basic ain't happy [00:29] ill go double check [00:29] 1 moment please [00:30] ah... [00:30] now that's funny... [00:31] this time this appears... [00:31] Genesys Logic Inc, USB 2.0 Ide Adapter [00:31] good! [00:31] could be a dodgy usb port, or duff power supply [00:31] nod [00:32] or maybe the controller just can't handle DVD drives... not all of them can [00:32] penguin42, what should i do now please [00:33] TheHustle: I'd look at the output of dmesg and see what it's saying about the usb device, and if it's appearing in lsusb I'd also check /proc/partitions again, but if it's only appearing sometimes then something bad is happening anyway [00:33] eject; eject -t [00:33] tray should open and then close [00:34] ok, ill have a check, and report back in the morning [00:34] ill have to turn it now, many thanks for you help guys [00:35] night [00:35] ta-ra [00:35] now, for a relaxing tune - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1t0zwMk-w [00:35] so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes [00:45] daftykins: you trying to send me to sleep?! [00:45] it's not 3am yet [00:45] :-p [00:45] =] [00:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FoADDUU3bQ [00:50] o_O [00:51] htf is looking at www.oralyte.co.uk at this time of the day?! (I just got an email from the site that requires a visitor to actually fire (might be automated visitor/bot, I guess) [00:51] wtf** [00:51] I spell who as hoo :-p [00:51] well i am now [00:52] yeah but you wouldn't be if I hadn't mentioned it [00:52] diddledan: It mentions a TV ad - when does it run? [00:52] looks like the kinda thing advertized on late night tv [00:52] erm. good question [00:53] in between reruns of kojack [00:53] I have no idea when the tv ad ran, will run - it's an old site - over a year since the last update [00:53] * penguin42 hands ali1234 a lolli [00:54] the problem with pharma sites is the amount of beurocracy each change has to go through before it can be published [00:54] every statement has to be backed up with evidence and citations up the wazooo [00:54] :( [00:57] it means that no matter how "engaged" the client wants to make their site they get waylaid by various entities checking that it doesn't make false claims etc. so in essence every site ends up unchanged from the moment it goes live [00:58] diddledan: I'm guessing the same thing happens with banking and other things where people have screwed up badly enough [00:58] yeah I would expect so [01:01] and completely changing the subject. someone wants me to buy the domain "cluster-group.com" before it's too late and someone else beats me to it [01:04] hmm, my details are wrong on the similarly named domain that I DO own (where they got my email from) [01:04] * diddledan goes and updates whois [01:05] 0o [06:51] morning all [08:02] Morning all [08:24] morning all === webpigeon is now known as Guest98191 [09:31] Good morning peeps :) [09:33] morning, it's pretty quiet in here at the moment [09:33] morning MooDoo [09:35] howdy AlanBell :D === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:42] MooooooooDoo. [09:43] hullooooooooo mooooooooooooooooooooooo [09:47] morning guys [09:47] 13:48, I might have been a little cautious [09:47] \o [09:48] bigcalm: 13:48? you're several hours ahead? [09:48] What time do you think it is now, bigcalm? [09:48] MartijnVdS: context is everything :D Google doodle [09:48] ah :) [09:48] I didn't finish it, but played it a bit :) [10:02] Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Go For A Ride Day! :-D [10:02] where shall I ride to, JamesTait? [10:03] also, do I have to do it today, cos I'm quite busy [10:03] yes [10:03] I have to run out of the door at work today because I have so much on [10:03] ride around the block [10:03] does look like quite a nice day for a ride actually [10:03] SuperMatt, why do you have to run out? [10:03] SuperMatt, you could do with a bike, then. :) [10:03] Why can't you stroll out? [10:04] Oh, you and JamesTait should go on a tandem bike ride along the Thames. ^_^ [10:04] GentileBen, not the Trent? [10:04] because I have to get changed in to my suit and make it to the London Hippodrome before 7 to help teach a dance class [10:04] GentileBen, or the Derwent? [10:04] They'd beat you senseless up there. [10:05] "Hippodrome" isn't nearly as epic as it sounds. [10:05] no? you've been there? [10:05] It sounds Greek, and is unrelated to the aquatic predator. [10:06] no, it's never been unrelated to hippos [10:06] SuperMatt there are no hippos in the Hippodrome. [10:06] It's not a zoo or anything. [10:06] I swear [10:06] if you know anything, it's hippo is actually derived from greek or roman (I can't remember) meaning horse [10:06] and a hippodrome would literally be a horse racing stadium [10:06] "The name hippodrome was derived from animal acts forming a significant part of the entertainment." [10:06] GentileBen, I've been on lots of rides along the Trent-Mersey canal and the old Derby canal route, and never been beaten senseless yet. [10:06] so yes, hippodrome is as awesome as it sounds [10:07] Yes it used to be used for horse races. [10:07] * JamesTait just loves tempting fate. [10:07] it's "river horse" in ancient greek [10:07] JamesTait, but were you on a tandem bike with SuperMatt? [10:07] (Dutch is "Nijlpaard" -> "Nile horse") [10:07] Holding hands whilst singing Kylie Minogue songs? [10:07] * JamesTait splutters [10:07] mmm Trent === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:07] Try that and see if you aren't beaten Senseless up there. [10:07] I would *never* sing Kiylie Minogue songs! [10:08] Ah a Danni Minogue fan [10:08] * JamesTait turns away in disgust. [10:08] morning guys [10:09] I brought up Kylie because I saw a Simpsons episode where they played her music [10:09] I don't know where these conversations are heading [10:09] can we just talk about linux again? [10:09] They cut to a gay club opposite Moe's which was named The League of Extra-Horny Gentlemen. [10:09] Made me laugh. [10:10] Hornet how's Ipswich? [10:10] SuperMatt, so, how about that Hannah Montana Linux, eh? :-P [10:10] it's got wayland [10:10] so it can't be all that bad [10:11] Has it really? [10:11] I believe so [10:11] it'ld be better than a miley cyrus linux [10:11] I believe it was the first distro to ship using it by default [10:11] Does it have Twerk Recognition? [10:12] oh wait [10:12] I was thinking of Rebecca Black Linux [10:12] lol [10:12] SuperMatt: well it *is* Friday [10:12] Hah! [10:12] I don't think that song was that bad. [10:12] FridayFridayFriday Linux [10:12] argh [10:12] MartijnVdS: hippopotamus surely, not hippodrome [10:12] I've heard worse from the likes of um Miley Cyrus. [10:12] Myrtti: well, yes. [10:12] Myrtti: but they were wondering about hippos at the hippodrome [10:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=noz8gRqPLGg#t=71 [10:15] *swoon* Tom Hiddleston [10:16] Tom Huddlestone? [10:16] ... [10:16] Nevermind. [10:17] * mungbean gets it [10:17] it's all Greek to me [10:18] It's all double Dutch to me. [10:18] right, if my final change has worked, I may finally have created my first ever juju charms and relation [10:18] I wonder if the Dutch know we English use the phrase "double Dutch" to describe incomprehensible somewhat technical/complex chatter? [10:18] They're probably too busy tending to their tulip beds to notice. [10:19] I don't think I've heard anyone say that since the 80s [10:19] good morning everyone. [10:19] morning bro [10:20] morning SuperMatt [10:20] GentileBen: borderline racist trolling belongs in #reddit-sysadmin [10:21] Racist? Oh lawdy. [10:21] You've led a very sheltered life. [10:22] the google doodle is a timesink today [10:23] Not a huge amount I'd say. 15mins tops [10:23] I when you die, you get regenerated ;) [10:23] bloody genius [10:24] Oh, that's why I got a different character from the one I chose [10:24] :D [10:24] \o/ [10:29] Yes let's talk about Dr Who. [10:30] Is it any good now? I watched a few episodes when it was Christopher Ecclestone and it was terrible. [10:30] the first series from any new director is good [10:31] then they do the messiah complex and 900yr old man fancying 20-something earth girl thing [10:31] and it gets silly [10:31] Yeah, why is the companion always a young girl? [10:31] because totty [10:32] People were appluading the producers for picking an older man for the role. [10:32] any good guides, on LSL ? [10:32] And it's like, wow, so now it's a 55-year-old guy perving over a 20-year-old? [10:32] brobostigon: LSL? [10:32] We'll know society has progressed when the doctor's companion is ugly as hell and old. [10:32] MartijnVdS: linden script language. [10:32] GentileBen: Rory was kind of a companion [10:32] nope, its a 900yr old guy [10:33] brobostigon: ah, not Leisure Suit Larry (available on Steam for Linu ;)) [10:33] brobostigon: neuro would know where to find that, I guess [10:33] amy and the new girl are probably the prettiest girls on tv, so i think its not accidental [10:33] Clara++ [10:33] rachel riley excepted [10:33] (not lisa riley) [10:34] AlanBell, was there sexual chemistry between the Doctor and Rory? [10:34] If not, it's sexist and homophobic. [10:35] I think the Doctor would be pansexual given his age. [10:35] the doctor doesn't do humans really [10:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companion_(Doctor_Who)#Eleventh_Doctor [10:35] Oh right he's not human is he? [10:35] except in two non-canon movies [10:35] there is quite a lot going on with Captain Jack of course :) [10:35] I read some Dr Who trivia by mistake recently. [10:35] and i find the whole sexual tension thing distasteful. jon pertwee was never sexually charged [10:35] MartijnVdS: ah, thank you. [10:36] AlanBell, heh they better have made the Torchwood guy's companions all muscled hot men with waxed chests. [10:36] even a straight man would have trouble not having sexual chemistry with captain jack [10:36] directhex, that is perhaps the best sentence I have ever read on IRC [10:36] "jon pertwee was never sexually charged" [10:36] patrick troughton wasn't on screen, although he did die of a heart attack after screwing groupies at a conference [10:36] neuro: any advice on good LSL guides/manuals? [10:36] I don't know anything about Dr Who. [10:37] Well, I know it had cheesy storylines in the Ecclestone days. [10:37] I watched a Christmas special IIRC. [10:37] The one where the Doctor defeats the aliens with an orange. [10:37] AlanBell: I just watched the last 2 "9th doctor" episodes again last night [10:37] And this is supposed to be top-drawer entertainment? He beats them with an orange? [10:37] AlanBell: *every* time Jack talks to someone, the doctor goes "Not now Jack" [10:38] "There's a time and a place, Jack" [10:38] there's always a time and place to punch jack in the face [10:38] It's like the BBC Robin Hood series when they dressed them all in Topgear / Top Man clothes. [10:38] also, \o/ netflix [10:38] "Hey we have some oranges lying around let's use them as props." [10:38] did you hear about the loser who watched all the avaialbel dr who episodes from time immemorial in the run up to this 50th thingy [10:39] loser? I resemble that remark [10:39] wait, no, that should be resent [10:39] mungbean: Tony? [10:40] well he lost 3000hrs of his life [10:40] ouch [10:40] that's a lot of who [10:40] i've watched them too, just sspread over 38 years [10:43] I enjoyed the thing that was on last night [10:43] Adventures in Space and Time [10:45] mungbean, did you introduce Dr Who to the bean sprouts? [10:46] i don't actually like beans [10:48] get-iplayer --nopurge --type=tv 33 34 :) [10:49] get_iplayer for me. weird [10:50] i can't decide if /r/idiotsfightingthings /r/cringe or /r/whatcouldgowrong are my fave subreddits at the moment [10:51] doing quite well with my reddit cold turkey [10:51] even when people mention it [10:51] popey: the "Cooking in a robe" one.. I've seen that happen to my dad once [10:51] popey: (on whatcouldgowrong) [10:52] knew i'd find some good doctor who chat in here :D [10:53] want some different chat? [10:53] the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii, now qualify as "retro gaming" [10:53] directhex: Finally! [10:54] time to buy one soon then [10:54] retro collectibles! [10:54] wonder what my n64 is then [10:55] Yet the Ouya doesn't count as retro gaming ☻ [10:55] Laney: Stone-age Gaming [10:55] Laney, older retro gaming [10:55] "retro gaming" is just anything which doesn't qualify as current-gen [10:55] MartijnVdS: did he do the jump [10:55] Laney: well, maybe iron age [10:55] the xbone, ps4 and wiiu are current gen, not next-gen [10:56] interesting [10:56] my brother in law spent the last few months playtesting games on XBox One. [10:56] he had fun, but couldn't tell anyone about it. [10:56] popey, i don't know *where* to put the damn ouya. for now i'm still classifying it as a smartphone. [10:56] * Laney will have to dust it off at the weekend while visiting the rents [10:56] heh [10:56] popey: no, he took it off as fast as he could and dumped water on it [10:56] directhex: the Wii was retro gaming from launch day................ [10:56] my unofficial expansion pak amuses me [10:56] popey: also, I was 4, so I don't remember details (other than the pattern of the flames, like you see in that video :) [10:56] The Wii is two gamecubes taped together. The Wii U is an Xbox 360 with a slightly more powerful GPU. [10:57] GentileBen, regardless of the clear disparity in specifications, the wii was being sold & marketed as the latest machine from one of the biggest companies in gaming for years [10:58] i still play the wii [10:58] directhex, it had about half a dozen amazing games but they were all from Nintendo. [10:58] having kids helps [10:58] my kids do too [10:58] Why would a third party EVER release a game for a Nintendo console? [10:58] GentileBen, i wouldn't go that far. i think the wii is probably my lowest rated console. [10:58] my son still plays on my original xbox [10:58] maybe the megadrive [10:58] directhex, it has about 8 amazing games. [10:58] Games everybody should play. [10:58] GentileBen, name them [10:59] It's just that the other 500 games are terrible. [10:59] Um hang on let me pull out an IGN list... [10:59] shaunwhite snowboarding is by ubisoft [10:59] i really liked warioware [10:59] mungbean lol [10:59] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexklein/kano-a-computer-anyone-can-make [10:59] ^ seen that? [10:59] Wario Ware, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 [10:59] both zeldas, super mario galaxy, wii sports, sports resort , wii fit plus, snowboarding world tour [11:00] brilliant timing, UPS van with dsamples XBox One arrives just when my videoconf starts [11:00] grrr [11:00] http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/08/14/the-top-25-wii-games-2 [11:00] donkey kong country, excellent game [11:01] mario kart wii [11:01] lots of excellent games [11:01] i didn't feel it [11:01] i own about half that top 25 list [11:01] "Stop Wii-ing in the living room!" [11:01] and i just didn't feel it [11:01] Not sure if I can justify the price of a 3DSXL and game just to play the new Zelda game. What other good games are there for it? [11:01] mario galaxy is probably the pinnacle of wii output [11:01] bigcalm: Pokemon X/Y? [11:01] bigcalm, ace attorney 5 [11:02] pro evo soccer was the best on any platform due to the wii remote improving gameplay [11:02] MartijnVdS: I've never seen a pokemon game, have a feeling it wouldn't be for me [11:02] wife & i played & completed 1-4 on the DS [11:02] you could now put the ball anywhere on the field rather then predefined passes [11:03] let me check my wii shelves for games i'd consider genuinely excellent [11:03] directhex: can one play DS games on the 3DS? [11:03] bigcalm: yes http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/software-comparison [11:04] * bigcalm reads [11:04] yeah, i'd say mario galaxy is my top wii game [11:04] smash bros is good as long as your wii is old enough to have gamecube ports [11:04] IGN sucks they wouldn't know a good game if it stamped on their face [11:04] i didn't really feel much for either of the wii zelda games [11:05] i'd struggle to make a wii top 10, let alone top 25 [11:05] i guess part of it is i'd be satisfied with, say, five life-defining games on the system [11:05] sorry got distracted by .. god forbid.. *work* [11:05] maybe even a couple of them [11:05] had to stop playing zelda latest one when my gold wii remote died due to leaky batteries [11:05] arsen: eww, on Friday? [11:05] what's the official determiner of "retro"? [11:06] yeah i've told them, but people don't stop breaking things on fridays sadly. [11:07] nxclient seem to have removed their links to download the v3 clients grrr [11:08] graphite/statsd/collectd/graphene/etcblah is todays job [11:08] i like making pretty pictures. [11:08] i'd rate the dreamcast ahead of the wii, from less than a half dozen genuinely incredible gaming experiences [11:08] arsen: shiny graphy things :) [11:09] I have a PSP with a handful of games if anyone is interested [11:09] Rez, now that was an experience [11:09] I'm interested in hearing more. [11:10] i was trying to find suggestions as to peoples favourite ways of pulling data from mysql into graphite, but any kind of google for "graphite" and "mysql" just returns the OTHER common result - people failing at installing django/graphite with mysql backend. sometimes google sucks a bit :( [11:10] maybe my googling needs improving. [11:10] i hear bing can get you the search results you need! [11:10] arsen: "mysql graphite import" [11:11] annoyance of the week - my company has moved to Gmail and the tardy IT dept hasn't considered our internet leased line may need some more bandwidth :< [11:11] doh [11:12] TARDIS IT dept. [11:12] gona start collating some hillarious "time-to-load-website" stats and somehow turn it into a sarcastic support ticket. [11:13] nice, MartijnVdS, nice. [11:13] arsen: probably no need for that; if they're on the same connection they'll already know its slow [11:14] aha! you make some assumptions there. :D [11:14] it's the kind of IT dept that's more likely to assume "the internet" is busy (read: the rest of the world), rather than "there could be a problem in our systems" [11:15] run iptraf on the firewall [11:15] lollers [11:16] in my last company, every department but IT had limited bandwidth [11:16] but that was so that we couldn't be hampered by people watching youtube videos, while we were trying to back up a critical server to the colo because the raid had lost a drive [11:16] or something [11:17] i had that at an old job, it was more so other people's browsing wouldnt hamper our youtube/tv streaming. [11:18] sounds like a nice and simple "why would I place limits on myself?" [11:18] hah, it wasn't really like that with us === shauno_ is now known as shauno [11:18] we got on with our work === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:06] TheOpenSourcerer: yo. [12:06] 'sup GentileBen [12:06] You did this yesterday then didn't say anything further... [12:06]