[16:50] <Torikun> yo
[19:22] <bkerensa> raevol: If you use HULU, Netflix, Any Network/Cable Connect DVR your viewing preferences and remote control use is logged and sent to Rentrak
[19:23] <bkerensa> they build up a profile on you and then resell it to tv networks and advertisers
[19:23] <bkerensa> so the LG smart tv is not much spying in the grand scheme of things ;)
[19:24] <bkerensa> oh and they are plugged into gaming (Xbox Live, PSN, Various Game Publishers)
[19:24] <bkerensa> http://www.rentrak.com/section/movies_and_tv_everywhere/about_movies_and_tv_everywhere.html
[19:24] <bkerensa> :)
[19:24] <darthrobot> Title: [About Movies & TV Everywhere | Rentrak]
[19:25]  * bkerensa has a few friends who work there and I'm amazed by the data they collect ;)
[19:27] <raevol> haha
[19:27] <raevol> good thing i just don't watch TV
[19:27] <raevol> or own any consoles
[19:27] <raevol> Steam probably collects my gaming habits, but all they'll know is that i barely have time to game and wish i could game mor
[19:27] <raevol> more*
[19:28] <bkerensa> imho I don't care if networks know that I watch too much treys anatomy
[19:28] <bkerensa> greys*
[19:28] <bkerensa> or Sons of Anarchy or any other show
[19:43] <akk> TV networks don't advertise per-customer, though, do they? Or have things changed that much since I stopped having TV?
[19:44] <raevol> i dunno, for me it's less what they do or don't do with the data, but instead that they even have the data and could do all kinds of things with it
[19:45] <raevol> but there's a lot to the subject... anyway
[19:47] <akk> Yeah, so much for "if you're not paying for the product, you are the product" -- since even if you're paying, you're still the product.
[19:48] <raevol> haha yea
[19:48] <raevol> it's just up to us to fight back
[19:48] <raevol> encryption, alternative distribution, non-consumerism, etc
[19:54] <akk> I don't think I'm willing to stop renting movies to fight back against that.
[21:12] <raevol> you don't have to stop watching movies to stop using invasive distribution services :P
[21:17] <pleia2> hulu does targeted advertising per customer (on the web version there's even an "is this ad relevant to you?" button for some commercials)
[22:03] <blitz> just don't ever answer
[22:09] <akk> raevol: What's the alternative? Illegal bittorrent downloading?
[22:10] <akk> Any rental service will know what we rent.
[22:10] <raevol> you can see movies in a theater
[22:10] <raevol> you can buy dvds
[22:11] <raevol> you can watch them at friend's houses
[22:11] <raevol> there's lots of things to do
[22:12] <akk> The first two cost orders of magnitude more ... guess I'm too poor/cheap to choose privacy. :)
[22:12] <akk> well, an order of magnitude, not plural orders
[22:13] <raevol> maybe you should spend less time watching netflix and more time making money then :P hahaha
[22:13] <raevol> you're complaining about the cost of a leisure activity
[22:15] <akk> We watch (some part of) a movie nearly every night. And I'm pretty happy with that model, for now.
[22:15] <akk> so, oh well, someone tracks what we watch ... I really don't see an easy way to avoid that.
[22:18] <raevol> yea i guess it just depends on what's important to you