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ricotzmlankhorst, hi :), are there (precise) packages for wine 1.6.1 yet?12:03
mlankhorstricotz: erm scott ritchie does those16:37
ricotzmlankhorst, ok, thanks, since you are involved too, i was hoping you had uploaded it somewhere already -- haven't found it on launchpad though16:45
ali1234i've got a question about RetainPermanent and the various atoms used to signal the existence of such on the root window pixmap20:31
ali1234first: there's a bunch of different ones: XSETROOT, XROOTPMAP, ESETROOT_PIXMAP_ID, _XROOTPMAP_ID... any more?20:33
ali1234second: how do these pixmaps get freed? if i set and change the background image using one of these tools, it's going to keep allocating new RetainPermanent pixmaps. how are they supposed to get deallocated?20:34
ali1234RAOF: in my searching on this topic i saw you discussing RetainPermanent in relation to unity-greeter. can you tell me anything about this stuff? i'm hacking on lightdm-gtk-greeter for xubuntu20:36
ali1234it looks like unity-greeter defines RetainPermanent but doesn't use it. so how does the wallpaper handoff happen between unity-greeter -> compiz?21:01
mlankhorstali1234: no idea, magic? :>21:02
ali1234well all this RetainPermanent stuff sure feels like magic21:02
mlankhorstI guess until compiz starts compositing the old image will exist21:03
mlankhorstbecause nothing new has been drawn to it yet21:03
ali1234the problem we have is xfwm starts compositing with a empty grey buffer, and there's a delay before the app that draws the wallpaper starts up21:04
ali1234xfwm can read the RetainPermanent background at startup to avoid this, but the whole thing seems incredibly bad with magic atoms and unmanaged buffers...21:04
mlankhorstI think you can just read out the uncomposited buffer before starting to composite21:17
mlankhorstor at least delay drawing until you have a background21:17
mlankhorstbut I haven't put much thought since I mstly worry about driver issues ;)21:18
ali1234speaking of driver issues, why does nouveau corrupt the hell out of the display when using RetainPermanent pixmaps?21:19
ali1234"oh, you wanted your wallpaper? here's some windows that were on your screen earlier today"21:20
ali1234i think "read out the uncomposited buffer" is what compiz does, that's probably going to be our best option21:22
mlankhorstI guess it uses random vram memory with nothing drawn to it yet21:22
mlankhorstwhich happens to match window contents in some cases21:22

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