[04:49] <kbmonkey> morning
[04:59] <theblazehen> morning kbmonkey 
[05:04] <kbmonkey> hallo 0/
[05:04] <Kilos> morning kbmonkey and others
[05:05] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos and theblazehen 
[05:06] <Kilos> kbmonkey, get your things in order for mondays meeting hey!
[05:08] <kbmonkey> yes
[05:09] <Kilos> looks like it will be a short one again
[05:09] <kbmonkey> such is life Kilos 
[05:10] <Kilos> yeah
[05:11] <kbmonkey> sigh
[05:11] <Kilos> what
[05:11] <kbmonkey> *steals kilos line*
[05:11] <Kilos> huh?
[05:11] <Kilos> dont steal its free
[05:14] <kbmonkey> sure thing Kilos (y)
[05:14] <Kilos> hehe
[05:14] <Kilos> what you been drinking?
[05:14] <Kilos> or smoking
[05:14] <kbmonkey> water and tea man
[05:15] <Kilos> hehe
[05:15] <Kilos> rooibos
[05:21] <kbmonkey> ja maybe I need something stronger
[05:24] <Kilos> hey what do peeps do with the new mobos? they got no pci sockets
[05:25] <Kilos> so apart from speed whats the advantage
[05:28] <kbmonkey> what new mobos?
[05:28] <kbmonkey> its agp now pci no more?
[05:28] <Kilos> i saw one somewhere yesterday. ill let you know if i find it
[05:29] <Kilos> where do you plug in sound cards and wireless cards and so on
[05:29] <kbmonkey> is it a large mobo or tiny?
[05:30] <Kilos> looed large i think
[05:30] <Kilos> looked
[05:30] <kbmonkey> sound and wireless must be built in then
[05:31] <kbmonkey> otherwise if its a server board it wont need sound or wireless
[05:31] <kbmonkey> must be for special uses
[05:32] <Kilos> http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=motherboard&U=en-us0000568
[05:33] <Kilos> 8 usb ports, maybe they using usb for everything
[05:36] <kbmonkey> it has a lan, vga and hdmi out
[05:36] <kbmonkey> one pci v3 slot
[05:38] <kbmonkey> correction, it has 2 pci slots: standard and 2.0
[05:38] <kbmonkey> see the specs section. that overview is useless
[05:38] <Kilos> where ? i dont see them there
[05:39] <kbmonkey> read the specs sheet Kilos 
[05:39] <Kilos> the long yellow slot is for graphics i take it
[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[05:42] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:42] <Kilos> oh my if you hover mouse over the picture it enlarges
[05:43] <Kilos> wow that be cool
[05:46] <Kilos> haha they say thats a good mobo for peeps with a budget
[05:46] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:47] <bduk1> Morning Kilos and everyone
[05:55] <Kilos> the killer is the cpu prices
[05:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:08] <kbmonkey> ja Kilos the spec sheet sas different things that the picture. so who knows what to trust anymore?
[06:10] <Kilos> hehe
[06:14] <kbmonkey> well I go now
[06:14] <Kilos> have a good day laddy
[06:15] <kbmonkey> you too meneer!
[06:15] <Kilos> danke
[06:15] <kbmonkey> I will try sneak into irc during the day if I kan
[06:15] <Kilos> cool
[06:25] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:27] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:37] <superfly> morning theblazehen
[06:37] <superfly> ag, I mean ThatGraemeGuy
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ello
[06:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:40] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: you know the devices we make?
[06:40] <superfly> (at work)
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[06:41] <superfly> So, funny production bug at the moment... in order to get the true data usage we do a USSD request and then send the result of that back to the server
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> k
[06:41] <superfly> but recently Vodacom started sending SMSes back after the USSD request
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[06:42] <superfly> in apparently unrelated news, if you send an SMS to the device, it reboots
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh noes!
[06:42] <superfly> (weird bug, fixed already)
[06:42] <superfly> and as soon as the device starts up, it queries for its balance
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> loopy de loop
[06:43] <superfly> so you get start up -> query -> sms -> reboot -> start up -> ...
[06:43] <superfly> yup!
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice one
[06:43] <Kilos> ouch
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> better you than me :)
[06:43] <superfly> hehehe
[06:43] <superfly> we have a way around that fortunately
[06:43] <superfly> but it's an amusing scenario
[06:43] <superfly> at least now we know what's causing it
[06:43] <superfly> we didn't for a week or so
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh wow
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> so for a week people couldn't sell vouchers?
[06:45] <superfly> some people, not everyone it seems.
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> across the board, or limited
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> still, wow
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> stressful week then :0
[06:46] <superfly> nah, not really
[06:49] <superfly> Oh, and the way to "fix" it for the moment (until we roll out the new code)? Send it an SMS.
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuuhhh....
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i'm definitely missing something, elaborate...
[06:50] <superfly> I can't say that my work here is ever dull :-D
[06:50] <superfly> we can send a couple of commands to the device via SMS as well, so we can stop it from requesting the airtime balance using an SMS command
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh right
[07:19] <nlsthzn> Goeie more Suid Afrika
[07:35] <nlsthzn> slaap almal alweer?
[07:36] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn sorry was outsidew
[07:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[07:36] <Kilos> outside as well
[07:36] <nlsthzn> all well uncle Kilos ?
[07:36] <nlsthzn> my daughter coming to SA middle of Dec... will make sure she brings the hardware along
[07:36] <Kilos> yes ty , very lekker. package just arrived from omega in durbs
[07:37] <Kilos> lovely lovely ty nlsthzn 
[07:37] <nlsthzn> awesome
[07:37] <Kilos> got some sticks and a wireless card and psu
[07:37] <nlsthzn> cool... 
[07:37] <nlsthzn> well I am sending mobo/cpu/ram
[07:38] <Kilos> now need to make up an external wifi antenna and search for wifi
[07:38] <Kilos> ty very muchness
[07:40] <Kilos> im gonna be so happy with a fast pc
[07:43] <Kilos> green power 500w psu
[07:43] <Kilos> hope it dont stain my pc
[07:57]  * Kilos goes off to install wireless adapter. wbb, hold them thumbs
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:38] <Kilos> even a wireless adapter comes with an install cd
[08:38] <Kilos> guess for what os
[08:42] <Vince-0> M$WINBLOW$
[08:43] <Kilos> hehe
[08:49] <nlsthzn> but once you have the drivers and you install it your hardware will work
[09:08] <Kilos> wb Vince-0 
[09:08] <Kilos> ping got you
[09:16] <charl> good morning
[09:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:17] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:17] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:21] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:21] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:30] <charl> wb theblazehen 
[09:31] <charl> theblazehen: what ever happened to that richard stallman video?
[09:33] <Kilos> ask Vince-0 
[09:47] <Vince-0> ey!
[09:47] <Vince-0> It has not been released from UKZN - paperwork
[09:48] <Vince-0> bit of a joke really
[09:50] <Kilos> wow do sticks come out with installable stuff for win now
[09:50] <Kilos> adata.exe and adata_chrome.exe
[10:04] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[10:05] <charl> Vince-0: wow seriously?! oh my goodness 
[10:34] <Vince-0> charl, yep, I will check again with them
[10:34] <Vince-0> apparently the file size is like 20GB as well
[10:34] <Vince-0> so that's going to be one long upload
[10:34] <Kilos> ouch
[10:46] <charl> Vince-0: sounds like a nice high-quality 1080p recording :) out of interest, which format? ogg vorbis? and where are you planning on mirroring it?
[10:46] <charl> bittorrent would be ideal for distributing a file like that
[11:14] <charl> theblazehen's connection is on the fritz
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: seen darksurferza
[11:34] <Maaz> charl: darksurferza was last seen 1 day, 1 hour, 58 minutes and 51 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-21 11:35:13 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-21 11:39:37 SAST
[11:35] <charl> Maaz: tell darksurferza https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7598531
[11:35] <Maaz> charl: Righto, I'll tell darksurferza on freenode
[11:44] <Vince-0> charl, it will be in ogg vorbis and most likely hosted on archive.org depending on their size restrictions
[12:00] <inetpro> good afternoon
[12:03] <Vince-0> !
[12:03] <theblazemobile> ?
[12:05] <theblazemobile> Stuck at school :/
[12:23] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[12:23] <theblazemobile> Hi Kilos inetpro
[12:23] <Kilos> stuck in what way theblazehen 
[12:23] <Kilos> theblazemobile, rather
[12:23] <theblazemobile> Dont have a ride home until 3
[12:24] <Kilos> aw sorry man
[12:24] <theblazemobile> Exam finished at 11
[12:24] <Kilos> ouch
[12:25] <theblazemobile> Yep :/ and got nothing to study either
[12:28] <inetpro> hi Kilos, theblazemobile
[12:30] <inetpro> theblazemobile: only 30 minutes to go
[12:30] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:30]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:30] <theblazemobile> inetpro yeah. 
[12:31] <inetpro> what did you write today?
[12:32] <theblazemobile> Biology
[12:32] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:33] <Kilos> wats nuus inetpro ?
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> tx
[12:33] <inetpro> Kilos: nuus, wat is dit?
[12:33] <inetpro> theblazemobile: how did it go?
[12:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:34] <theblazemobile> Inetpro: went well :)
[12:34] <Kilos> good
[12:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[12:34] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[12:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[12:34] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[12:34] <Kilos> Maaz, `wheres mine
[12:34] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[12:34] <Kilos> twit bot
[12:35] <Kilos> inetpro, did you see?
[12:35] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast pretoria
[12:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Overcast. High: 28° C., Thursday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 15° C., Friday: Chance of Rain. High: 27° C., Friday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 15° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 32° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 15° C., Monday:
[12:35] <Maaz> Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 29° C., Monday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17°…
[12:35] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened?
[12:35] <Kilos> different command
[12:35] <Kilos> old way still burps
[12:40] <inetpro> oh clever Kilos, how did you find out?
[12:40] <charl> hi inetpro 
[12:40] <charl> long time no speak to
[12:40] <Kilos> georgl, use it for spotty on my channel
[12:42] <inetpro> hi charl
[12:42] <inetpro> charl: too much to do, too little time
[12:46] <Kilos> wbb
[12:50] <charl> inetpro: lol
[13:05]  * Squirm looks around
[13:06] <Kilos> yo Squirm 
[13:07] <charl> hi Squirm 
[13:28] <charl> whow! bittorrent is amazing!
[13:29] <charl> i just downloaded linux mint 16 (cinnamon iso and mate iso) at half a gigabit per second with rtorrent (according to bwm-ng)
[13:29] <Kilos> wow
[13:29] <charl> this is what i'm talking about! no way i could get that via http/ftp
[13:32] <Vince-0> I know what you are talking about
[13:32] <Kilos> ok somewhere im missing the plot. i want to install ubuntu onto a flash drive but dont get option to install from the dvd
[13:33] <charl> the installer doesn't see the flash drive?
[13:33] <Kilos> i dont just want a startup disk to install from, i want ubuntu installed on the stick
[13:34] <charl> never tried it myself to be honest
[13:34] <Kilos> ya it shows the stick in the launcher but i dont see the install goodie
[13:39] <charl> in principle it should just see it as a hard drive
[13:40] <charl> but in practice i don't really know how it works
[13:40] <charl> you can install and run grub from a flash drive too
[13:40] <charl> so i see no reason it shouldn't just install as normal
[13:40] <charl> as long as it correctly sets up and configures grub on the flash drive
[13:41] <charl> but it's all supported i think
[13:41] <Kilos> yeah driving me nuts. i only have the stick connected otherwise the dvd offers to install to a hdd
[13:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:42] <Kilos> lemme fiddle more
[13:44] <Kilos> i dont want a live usb to install with, i want to use the stick as my drive
[13:44] <charl> have any of you guys used jitsi? it's extremely slow for me
[13:56] <charl> mint cinnamon runs terribly slow inside vmware - seems to be related to the graphic effects
[13:56] <charl> ubuntu 13.10 (unity) also runs absolutely terrible
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:11] <Kilos> kde 12.04 is installing. wonder what is different
[14:16] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo you just disappeared last night
[14:17] <Kilos> ok bye
[14:17] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[14:18] <charl> hi psychicist 
[14:18] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[14:18] <psychicist> hi charl 
[14:18] <psychicist> on the bus to Prague :D
[14:18] <charl> oh nice, the bus has wifi?
[14:18] <charl> or you got your own 3g/4g thing
[14:18] <psychicist> yeah
[14:18] <psychicist> no
[14:18] <Kilos> come charl tell me why 12.04 installs but unity dont even give the option
[14:19] <psychicist> there is free wifi on the bus
[14:19] <charl> Kilos: option for what?
[14:19] <charl> psychicist: very cool!
[14:19] <Kilos> wow wifi on a bus
[14:19] <Kilos> to install charl 
[14:19] <charl> psychicist: i had that once in the usa too when we were in oregon for oscon
[14:20] <psychicist> charl, Megabus?
[14:20] <psychicist> the company that has it here is called Polskibus, but it has the same owner
[14:20] <charl> psychicist: we were on our way to oregon state university for a tour of the open source lab
[14:20] <psychicist> btw, you should check it out
[14:20] <charl> no idea, can't remember...
[14:20] <psychicist> you can travel from Amsterdam to Paris for €15 with Megabus
[14:21] <psychicist> or for a little more to many places in the UK
[14:21] <charl> oh i must bookmark this
[14:21] <charl> i want to go to paris next year
[14:21] <charl> also to valencia they have this amazing museum there
[14:22] <psychicist> yes
[14:22] <psychicist> and in Germany you can use Meinfernbus
[14:22] <psychicist> much cheaper than trains
[14:25] <Kilos> theblazehen, you home yet?
[14:26] <Kilos> inetpro, lyk of die weer weer kom
[14:26] <Kilos> sal gou gaan beloer
[14:36] <charl> yeah but trains are nice and fast :P
[14:36] <charl> and comfortable
[14:36] <charl> the bus is the suck
[14:38] <charl> mint mate is fast inside vmware - most definitely related to cinnamon
[14:42] <charl> why on earth does ubuntu default to yahoo search, are they nuts
[14:42] <charl> mint, i mean
[14:50] <Kilos> tell them
[15:25] <kbmonkey> greetings 0/
[15:26] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey wb
[15:30] <kbmonkey> how goes it in the cyberspace?
[15:30] <Kilos> no man we earth bound
[15:33] <kbmonkey> bound I agree with but earth I am not sure about!
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> when nm says wifi connected is it connected to somewhere else or just to the wifi adapter
[15:41] <Kilos> and if to somewhere else how do i find to where
[15:45] <kbmonkey> it means it connected to a wifi hotspot
[15:45] <kbmonkey> maybe your router
[15:46] <Kilos> nope router off
[15:46] <Kilos> can one use tracepath or something
[15:47] <kbmonkey> the tray icon says nothing?
[15:47] <Kilos> in nm?
[15:47] <Kilos> only shows the option to disconnect
[15:48] <Kilos> ohi Trixar_za 
[15:48] <Kilos> you well?
[15:49] <kbmonkey> Run nm-tool | grep \*. That should show just the line with the SSID you are connected to.
[15:49] <Kilos> ty
[15:49] <kbmonkey> also, run "iwconfig"
[15:49] <kbmonkey> that also shows the name of the network you are conneccted to :]
[15:50] <Kilos>  *myfi:           Ad-Hoc, 9E:07:DA:C6:79:C4, Freq 2412 MHz, Rate 0 Mb/s, Strength 100 WEP
[15:50] <Kilos>  Wireless Access Points (* = current AP)
[15:51] <Kilos> whatever does that mean
[15:51] <kbmonkey> iwconfig | grep wlan0
[15:51] <kbmonkey> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"rubber-chicken
[15:51] <kbmonkey> ^ thats mine
[15:52] <kbmonkey> ESSID is the name you looking for
[15:52] <kbmonkey> it is an ad-hoc network, did you create a network?
[15:53] <Kilos> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"myfi" 
[15:53] <Kilos> myfi is the name of my adapter
[15:54] <Kilos> or my network i created
[15:55] <Kilos> so to me it looks like nm is connect to the adapter not outside
[15:55] <Kilos> right or wrong
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[15:56] <kbmonkey> its connected to your mifi
[15:56] <kbmonkey> but its off?
[15:58] <Kilos> how you see that?
[15:59] <Kilos> looks same as yours so how can you say its off
[15:59] <Kilos> nm shows the disconnect button
[16:07] <kbmonkey> gee I don't know Kilos - iwconfig says its connected to mifi so it must be.
[16:07] <kbmonkey> one clue is that it says "ad hoc", which it should not say for normal networks
[16:07] <Kilos> ya but myfi is me
[16:08] <kbmonkey> which means you or someone else created a network on your pc
[16:08] <Kilos> oh
[16:08] <Kilos> must i make that dhcp?
[16:08] <kbmonkey> and called it mifi, and it is not actually the mifi device
[16:08] <Kilos> man myfi not mifi
[16:08] <kbmonkey> is that what you use to go online?
[16:09] <Kilos> online to where?
[16:09] <Kilos> only plugged the adapter in today
[16:09] <Kilos> never had wifi before
[16:09] <Kilos> used eth to router
[16:10] <kbmonkey> ah, I understand what you say. a usb adapter?
[16:10] <Kilos> maybe there isnt any wifi close enough
[16:10] <Kilos> no pci card
[16:10] <kbmonkey> online to irc of course ;)
[16:11] <kbmonkey> to the cyber space
[16:11] <kbmonkey> to the series of tubes
[16:11] <Kilos> man thats with 8ta
[16:12] <kbmonkey> oh noes, so many devices!
[16:12] <kbmonkey> it is an orgy of electronics in your house Kilos 
[16:14] <Kilos> lol you must see it
[16:14] <Kilos> 2 drives running outside from separate psu
[16:15] <Kilos> actually 3 outside and one inside on pcs power
[16:15] <Kilos> but everything works
[16:16] <Kilos> outside is maverick and 12.04 unity and 80g scrap drive thats become storage and inside is 12.04 kde
[16:16] <Kilos> cant put the cover on anymore
[16:17] <Kilos> hehe
[16:18] <Kilos> but around christmas time things will change
[16:18] <Kilos> neelsie is sending me a mobo with ram and cpu
[16:19] <Kilos> first quads
[16:19] <Kilos> i3 i think they were
[16:19] <kbmonkey> wow that is very nice!
[16:20] <kbmonkey> how is your hard drives doing, okay?
[16:20] <Kilos> yeah all working
[16:21] <Kilos> some with 10g win installed first to use up the bad sectors
[16:21] <Kilos> oh i wanna mail you something
[16:22] <kbmonkey> oh? I am curious now!
[16:24] <Kilos> whew fat one
[16:26] <kbmonkey> is that for xmas Kilos ?
[16:26] <Kilos> hehe
[16:27] <Kilos> anytime
[16:27] <kbmonkey> hehe, okay :)
[16:29] <Kilos> also got sent a mail today about using lemon to kill cancer instead of chemo
[16:30] <Kilos> would like to share it with everyone
[16:30] <Kilos> lotsa cancer peeps out there
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ah thanks!
[16:37] <kbmonkey> got disconnected there.
[16:37] <kbmonkey> mifi ran out of battery
[16:37] <Kilos> ai!
[16:37] <kbmonkey> moved it to the other side of house with power, but now on slow 1g LOL
[16:37] <Kilos> thats why pci adapter is better
[16:38] <Kilos> all these plugin charger things are a pain
[16:38] <kbmonkey> ja!
[16:46] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos I got the email!
[16:46] <Kilos> good
[18:15] <Kilos> hmm... noisy bunch
[18:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow