[00:36] <littlegirl> Hey there, I just got a terabyte drive and want to install Kubuntu on it as the only operating system. Any advice on partitioning it? I've never set up a drive this size.
[00:38] <valorie> hey littlegirl
[00:38] <valorie> ltns
[00:38] <littlegirl> valorie: Hey there. (:
[00:38] <littlegirl> valorie: Yeah, my computer imploded and I just got the new hardware. (:
[00:39] <valorie> implosion =bad
[00:39] <valorie> but new equipment sounds fun
[00:39] <littlegirl> Yeah, it happened first thing in the morning, too, and on a Friday, no less, so I had to wait until Monday before the new parts even shipped. ):
[00:39] <valorie> littlegirl: I always make /home a separate partition
[00:39] <littlegirl> Oh yes - oh, happy day! (:
[00:40] <littlegirl> valorie: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. What I'd like to know is the sizes I should be doing since I've never worked with anything this big.
[00:40] <valorie> so that new installs are more quick n easy
[00:40] <valorie> well, there is a recent thread on the kub-users list about various schemes
[00:40] <dougl> nvidia drivers activated but not in use - any suggestions? the google options dont seem to work
[00:40] <valorie> you might browse that
[00:40] <littlegirl> I'm reading all over the internet and there are a lot of suggestions for how it's done, and I'd like to do it right. (:
[00:41] <valorie> there is no "right"
[00:41] <valorie> just "right for you"
[00:41] <littlegirl> LOL
[00:41] <littlegirl> dougl: Are you looking for how to use the NVIDIA drivers from NVIDIA, or the ones that come with Kubuntu?
[00:42] <dougl> littlegirl, nvidia drivers
[00:42] <littlegirl> valorie: Well, I don't want to make Kubuntu unhappy in any way, so I'd like to know what the minimum sizes are for everything, and if you make something too big, does it increase seek time, etc?
[00:42] <littlegirl> dougl: The ones that come with Kubuntu or ones you got from NVIDIA web site?
[00:43] <littlegirl> valorie: I have to confess that I've always allowed Kubuntu to just partition the drive for me, and this time I'd like to do it manually. (:
[00:43] <dougl> the ones that come with kubuntu I guess... I thot they got downloaded from nvidia littlegirl
[00:43] <littlegirl> dougl: I guess they are, but they're provided by Kubuntu if those are the ones you're talking about. I don't know how to do those. I download them directly from NVIDIA. (:
[00:44] <valorie> that thread talks a lot about optimal, which is why I suggested it
[00:44] <valorie> although there was a lot of nonsense from some of the participants
[00:44] <dougl> littlegirl, what do you suggest for that method?
[00:44] <valorie> you can weed that out quickly
[00:45] <littlegirl> dougl: Did you try opening the Additional drivers submenu inside the System menu inside the K menu?
[00:45] <littlegirl> dougl: I'll whisper you. I think I'm not allowed to recommend that in this channel. (:
[00:45] <dougl> ok
[00:46] <littlegirl> Okay, I linked it to you. It's my blog page, and if you have any questions, my contact email is in the top right corner. (:
[00:47] <littlegirl> valorie: Oh, are you talking about that huge thread in the mailing list recently?
[00:47] <littlegirl> valorie: That got really convoluted. (:
[00:47] <valorie> yes, it did
[00:47] <valorie> but the beginning of it had more light than heat
[00:47] <valorie> the end....
[00:48] <valorie> pfff
[00:48] <littlegirl> valorie: I also think it won't work for me because the guy was doing ALL kinds of partitions. I'm just doing one little installation of Kubuntu, so I don't need all that fancy stuff they went into. (:
[00:48] <littlegirl> I'm confused, though, because everywhere you turn there is different advice on how it's done, and the best thing I can get out of what everyone has said is that one person in the mailing list said that partitioning is not a science - it's an art. ACK! (:
[00:49] <littlegirl> Right now I'm on my old 350 GB drive, but I'd love to install Kubuntu on the big one tonight. (:
[00:49] <valorie> well, right -- but there was talk of optimal sizes for various things like root, swap, etc.
[00:49] <littlegirl> valorie: Then I'll try to plow my way through it again. (:
[00:49] <valorie> personally, I would just put it on and let kub. make the decisions
[00:50] <dinosrule> Partitioning's not hard. By default, just let Kubuntu do it. If you know you need something else, do that.
[00:50] <littlegirl> valorie: The only problem with that is that it creates one big  partition and doesn't leave any slack on the drive. I'm not sure that's a good idea.
[00:50] <dinosrule> If you don't know you need something else, you don't need something else.
[00:50] <valorie> but if you do it guided, I'd welcome your input on the installation part of the docs
[00:50] <dinosrule> littlegirl: why?
[00:50] <valorie> now, dinner time for me
[00:50] <littlegirl> dinosrule: I read that the swap needs slack on the drive in order to work properly, and if you don't provide any slack, you can interfere with swap.
[00:51] <littlegirl> valorie: OK, I'll see what I can do after this is over. (:
[00:51] <dinosrule> littlegirl: swap doesn't use slack, it uses its own partition, which Kubuntu creates by default
[00:51] <littlegirl> dinosrule: Yep, but apparently slack is important to it. Hang on and I'll try to get the link...
[00:55] <littlegirl> dinosrule: Apparently I misread it or got stuff mixed up. At any rate, it's at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/35676/how-to-choose-a-partition-scheme-for-your-linux-pc/ and if you do a search for 35% on that page you'll see his mention of free space, which is apparently important. (:
[00:56] <littlegirl> dinosrule: I'm not sure whose advice to follow, but I'd like to partition it myself for a change. (:
[00:56] <dinosrule> that's free space within the partition, not outside of the partitions
[00:57] <littlegirl> dinosrule: Oh! So what does that mean I should make sure to do?
[00:57] <dinosrule> have partitions that are large enough that they don't get full
[00:58] <littlegirl> dinosrule: My concern is that all of these pages I've visited seem to agree that size is important, and if something is too big it can slow things down. Very confusing all of this. (:
[00:58] <dinosrule> my personal recommendation, assuming you're only installing Kubuntu, that you want to use hibernation, and that you don't have an atypical amount of RAM would be to have a / partition that takes up almost all of the disk, and a swap partition that is > 1 and < 2 times your RAM size that takes up the rest
[00:58] <dinosrule> if memory serves, this is what Kubuntu's autopartitioner does
[00:59] <dinosrule> littlegirl: not really. the only thing that having a large partition slows down is periodic filesystem checking, and that's a non-issue on ext4 (the default these days) unless your drives are ridiculously huge
[00:59] <littlegirl> I've got a terabyte drive, I won't even need or use hibernation, I've got 4 GB of RAM, and I just want to put Kubuntu on it. If I run any other OS, it will be in VirtualBox inside of Kubuntu. (:
[00:59] <littlegirl> I plan on keeping my 350 GB drive as a secondary drive to hold additional backups just for kicks, but that has nothing to do with partitioning this terabyte, though. (:
[00:59] <dougl> littlegirl, am following instructions via ssh - what is the command to kill kde desktop?
[01:00] <dinosrule> littlegirl: then I'd go with one large / partition filling the whole drive, or the scheme I just mentioned, depending on whether you want swap. If you're not going to fill the drive up, I'd just make the swap partition anyway
[01:00] <littlegirl> dougl: Not sure. I've never tried doing that via SSH.
[01:00] <dinosrule> personally I have 4GB and have no swap, but it gets a bit tight if I'm filling my RAM with virtual machines on that box
[01:01] <littlegirl> dinosrule: Okay, that sounds good. I don't have to have slack on the drive?
[01:01] <dinosrule> no
[01:02] <littlegirl> Well, I'm off to try it. Thanks for the help! And good luck to dougl with the NVIDIA stuff, too. (:
[01:54] <dougl> yeah on my 13.10 install is says they are activated but not in use... what gives?
[01:59] <James0r> dougl: says what's activated?
[02:00] <James0r> dougl: my bad. missed the previous conversation. carry on.
[02:00] <dougl> 319 nvidia drivers now
[03:58] <CRPSD2013> dougl: what is your 319 problem?
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:52] <Ab3L> Hi. There's an issue which i cannot figure out after have upgraded to kubuntu 13.10 (i didn't test it in 12.10 nor 13.04, so it may have been present yet).
[07:53] <Ab3L> at start up my external usb harddrive is not automounted, as it was with 12.04.
[07:56] <lordievader> Ab3L: Have you set it up that the system automounts?
[07:57] <Ab3L> i tried to set in system setting, but there's only automount on plugin and on access. i don't find where i can find the automount at start up (and i would like to avoid the use of fstab)
[07:58] <lordievader> Ab3L: rc.local or .profile script?
[07:58] <Ab3L> lordievader: what do you mean?
[07:59] <lordievader> Have a script mount it for you, when available, on login.
[08:00] <lordievader> Not sure if KDE will mount it without the connect signal.
[08:00] <Ab3L> not a so bad idea. i give a look in my home to see if there's one that i forgot from 12.04
[08:04] <Ab3L> lordievader: at the moment i've no script that automount it on login. so kubuntu 12.04 did it for me.
[08:05] <lordievader> Ab3L: Not something in Systemsettings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Autostart?
[08:06] <lordievader> Another thing under Systemsettings -> Removable Devices -> Mount all removable media at login is checked?
[08:06] <lordievader> You are trying to mount removable media right?
[08:11] <Ab3L> lordievader: yes. i'm trying to automount a removable media. No, i currently don't have any automount script in systemsettings->startup and shutdown->autostart. and in "removable devices" i find my device twice (the first one in the connected list, and the second one in the disconnected list). in the connected list is checked and all option on the top of the window are also checked.
[08:13] <Ab3L> lordievader: i tried to "forget" the two double by clicking on the button on the bottom of the window and start up again. then plugged in the drive and finally to check it. but i still have it twice.
[08:16] <lordievader> Ab3L: Strange. Let me see if I plug in a thumbdrive if it will show up twice too.
[08:18] <lordievader> Hehe my thumbdrive shows up three times under connected...
[08:18] <Ab3L> lol. sometimes me too ^_^
[08:19] <Ab3L> sometimes only one, but today it is shown only twice.
[08:19] <lordievader> Ab3L: But perhaps you should uncheck Only automatically mount removable media that has been manually mounted before and chec the mount on login option for your drive.
[08:21] <Ab3L> done. let me try to reboot, so i see what it happens. see you in a minute.
[08:29] <Ab3L> lordievader: solved. thx.
[08:31] <lordievader> Ab3L: Ah great :)
[08:32] <Ab3L> the solution was just to uncheck the automount only for removable devices that have been manually mounted before.
[08:34] <Ab3L> btw, i always have the drive twice. ahahah :D
[08:37] <lordievader> Ab3L: :)
[08:38] <Ab3L> i think i can click forget on one of it. but which one...
[08:38] <Ab3L> rotfl
[09:20] <eagles0513875> argh
[09:20] <eagles0513875> morning lordievader Ab3L
[09:20] <eagles0513875> hey alll i am having issues with 13.10 not picking up my memory card reader :( any ideas as to how i could potentially fix this issue
[09:24] <cancer> hi, i'm currently using windows OS and i want to installed linux too. but havw low spec machine. the main purpose for installing linux OS is that i want browsing speed atleast double. is this possible by installing linux and incase Yes then which? thanks.
[09:26] <cancer> hi, i'm currently using windows OS and i want to installed linux too. but havw low spec machine. the main purpose for installing linux OS is that i want browsing speed atleast double. is this possible by installing linux and incase Yes then which? thanks.
[09:27] <cancer> sorry, incase i double posted this question. i coudn't see it in quassel. now using hexchat and it's visible.
[09:37] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Does udev pickup that you insert a sd-card?
[09:38] <eagles0513875> lordievader: yes its not recognizing the partitioning that is the issue
[09:40] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Partitioning is later. Could you answer my question, does udev pickup that a sd card is inserted?
[09:40] <eagles0513875> what would i need to determine if udev detects it
[09:42] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Eject your sd card, run "sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev" and insert the sdcard. If you get a bunch of output it is detected.
[09:43] <eagles0513875> lordievader: it does detect it as i just partitioned the card and it instantly popped it up and detected it
[09:44] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Ok, can I see the "fdisk -l" output?
[09:46] <eagles0513875> lordievader: /dev/sdb1              63    15534854     7767396   83  Linux
[09:46] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Err, pastebin it please.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> thats the only line of output
[09:46] <eagles0513875> the other lines are of my main hard disk
[09:46] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Ah, it doesn't have a partition table then.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> nope it didnt
[09:48] <lordievader> eagles0513875: Ok, getting confused here. What is the problem?
[09:48] <eagles0513875> now nothing
[09:51] <eagles0513875> lordievader: sorry for the confusion
[09:52] <lordievader> eagles0513875: No problem.
[10:55] <cer> hi everybody! Do you know of a microblogging client that allows you to post at the same time on different social network websites? In particular, I need google+ and twitter.
[11:02] <jussi> cer: can't do it. G+ doesnt have a proper api, so not here and not on any system afaik.
[11:02] <cer> jussi: I tought we had google+ clients ....
[11:04] <jussi> cer: Ive not seen them, but a little googling tells me there is a chrome plugin.... if you use chrome/chromium
[11:04] <jussi> cer: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gooce%2B-facebook-linkedin/dmcmkedikhmmilolhmdfjodageiickkl/details
[11:04] <cer> jussi: yes, this is what I was referring to ....
[11:05] <cer> jussi: I thought that since there was a plugin, there must also be a micro blogging client
[11:05] <cer> jussi: but could not find any
[11:10] <jussi> cer: yeah, I have no knowledge of one, apart from the chrome plugin
[11:22] <cer> jussi: mmmm .... what a pity
[11:39] <cer> jussi: do we have a twitter client that allows for delayed tweets and so on at least?
[11:40] <cer> jussi: actually, there is a google+ API .... https://developers.google.com/+/downloads/
[11:52] <guest23423> can a kubuntu 13.04 on a different partition be run within kubuntu 13.10
[12:04] <soee> any idea why Thunderbird opens always on half of the screen not fullscreen ?
[12:10] <tzoukos> Hello
[12:10] <tzoukos> did anyone here have mouse/keyboard/network problems with 13310 ?
[12:10] <tzoukos> 13.10 *
[12:12] <tzoukos> from a live ubs it works fine but when installed nothing works :/
[12:21] <rwc2> can i load programs from 13.04 within a 13.10 instance?
[12:21] <rwc2> (13.04 on a different partition)
[12:22] <Walex> rwc2: often...
[12:23] <rwc2> Walex, how
[12:23] <Walex> rwc2: just type their pathname.
[12:24] <Walex> rwc2: perhaps also first set the 'LD_PATH' to put the 13.04 'lib' directories first.
[12:24] <Walex> soee: depends on the window manager settings usually.
[12:26] <rwc2> Walex, can you elaborate or maybe ill google
[12:31] <Walex> rwc2: if you are trying to mix-and-match libraries and commands and you are not familiar with how to run executables and set library paths you have a steep learning curve ahead...
[12:39] <lordievader> rwc2: Just out of curiosity but why do you want to run 13.04 applications? Most (if not all) is available for 13.10.
[12:40] <rwc2> lordievader, tried running libreoffice in 13.10, #libreoffice suggested bug report
[12:40] <rwc2> just trying to run 13.04 libreoffice in 13.10
[12:44] <rwc2> ok, it worked, i just ran the bin file from the old directory, thanks Walex
[12:46] <Walex> rwc2: or you could install the '.deb's downloaded from LibreOffice repositories.
[12:47] <rwc2> Walex, to what end
[12:47] <rwc2> ive already tried reinstalling libreoffice for 13.10 if that's what you're suggesting
[12:56] <Walex> rwc2: those are LibreOffice from _Ubuntu_ repositories.
[12:56] <Walex> rwc2: those are LibreOffice from _Ubuntu_ 13.10 repositories.
[12:57] <Walex> you can also reinstall it from the completely different '.deb's build by LibreOffice.
[12:57] <Walex> but that requires rather more experience. Perhaps you could disinstall the Ubuntu 13.10 LibreOffice and reinstall the version in 13.04 instead.
[13:04] <rwc2> Walex, ah, i could deinstall and then point at the 13.04 repos, yes
[13:07] <lordievader> rwc2: I think Walex was trying to point you to https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?version=4.1.3&lang=en-US&type=deb-x86_64
[13:18] <Walex> rwc2: yes, as <lordievader>; plus you can *add* the 13.04 repos at a lower priority (APT "pinning") and then downgrade the packages. I find 'aptitude' convenient for that BTW.
[13:19] <Walex> but overall, yes, LibreOffice is pretty good, but this is #KUbuntu and we should tell you to look at KOffice/Calligra, which are pretty good alternatives.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:26] <rwc2> Walex,  k, thanks, and for mentioning koffice
[13:27] <rwc2> gtg
[13:44] <dougl> morning BluesKaj  - just noticed on my 12.10 and 13.10 install the nvidia proprietary drivers were "activated but not in use" googled a bit and did some howtos but still activated but not in use - can you point me in the right direction?
[13:45] <soee> dougl, have the same
[13:46] <soee> do you have 2 cards ?
[13:47] <dougl> no desktop is 520 and the notebook is a 680
[13:49] <BluesKaj> dougl. install mesa-utils , then run this command, glxinfo | grep OpenG , the driver beside "version string" is the driver presently in use
[13:49] <BluesKaj> dougl. glxinfo | grep OpenGL, correction
[13:51] <dougl> OpenGL version string: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 319.32...
[13:52] <dougl> looks like it is working... but the additional drivers utility says it is not in use?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> dougl. then you can ignore that buggy "not in use" message, it's a common bug
[13:53] <BluesKaj> i had it in an earlier kubuntu as well
[13:53] <dougl> ah - ok, thanks guys and gals appreciate the help
[14:05] <Riddell> jussi: you might want to rejoin #k-devel :)
[15:35] <cer> is it possible to launch the Unity desktop under Kde?
[15:36] <lordievader> cer: It is better to log out and select Unity in Lightdm.
[15:37] <cer> lordievader: thanks. What I am really trying to to is to find a micro blogging client for google+ and twitter, and it seems that Unity has them.
[15:37] <cer> lordievader: do you know whether plasma has some? I cannot find any ....
[15:46] <deaf_and_alone> hello. I have some questions about Kubuntu
[15:46] <deaf_and_alone> can you help me?
[15:47] <lordievader> cer: I do nothing with G+ or twitter and therefore know nothing about it ;)
[15:47] <lordievader> deaf_and_alone: Ask away ;)
[15:52] <BluesKaj> deaf_and_alone. depends wgat your issues are
[15:52] <BluesKaj> what
[15:53] <cer> lordievader: thanks all the same.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> cer try hotot
[15:56] <deaf_and_alone> I installed Kubuntu !3:10 (64 bit). but after installation, computer runs slowly and I closed some settings on KDE. but my computer's cpu see 90-100%. why is so slow?
[15:56] <Vito> check on sys monitor if there's a process consuming all cpu time
[15:56] <BluesKaj> deaf_and_alone. do you have serch index in system settings enabled ?
[15:57] <Vito> on mine there was akonadi_agentlauncher killing my notebook
[15:58] <deaf_and_alone> I have AMD based sony vaio computer. it has 8 gb ram
[15:58] <deaf_and_alone> but it runs slowly
[15:58] <BluesKaj> deaf_and_alone. , read what we're suggesting please
[15:58] <deaf_and_alone> ok
[16:01] <BluesKaj> deaf_and_alone. kmenu?computer>system settings>desktop search , or whet Vito suggested with system monitor in kmenu>apps>system
[16:23] <cer> BluesKaj: thanks!
[16:23] <BluesKaj> cer. np :)
[16:24] <cer> BluesKaj: mmmm .... it does not support google+
[16:24] <BluesKaj> dunno , cer ..I don't blog much
[16:25] <cer> BluesKaj: thanks all the same .... they have moved us to g+ and twitter for work, so I want to find a lazy solution
[16:26] <BluesKaj> cer, if you don't mind some gtk libs then the ubuntu microblog app will work , dunno if it supports google+ tho
[16:27] <cer> BluesKaj: as long as it does not start some CPU consuming gnome services is not a problem. What is it called?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> cer found a kde version that might support google+ , not real sure , it's called "choqok"
[16:30] <cer> BluesKaj: nope, I have already tried it and it does not .... :(
[16:31] <BluesKaj> bummer ;/
[16:35] <cer> BluesKaj: :(
[16:35] <BluesKaj> i have no other ideas , cer , other than ublog from ubuntu
[16:35] <cer> BluesKaj: I will try that I had not thought ....
[16:36] <rwc2> both mozilla software, firefox and thunderbird, yield an error in saucy : GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[16:36] <rwc2> any suggestions?
[16:37] <cer> BluesKaj: ther eis no ublog in the repository
[16:37] <BluesKaj> cer then i'm stumped
[16:39] <cer> BluesKaj: thanks a lot for your help, it is the itnention that counts! :D
[16:40] <BluesKaj> cer , well , good luck in your search
[16:41] <BluesKaj> cer pidgin ? maybe
[16:42] <BluesKaj> anyway , gotta go
[16:44] <Evolykane> Hello is there any German?
[16:45] <lordievader> !german | Evolykane
[16:45] <lordievader> Probably some Germans there ^
[16:47] <Evolykane> Ok, my Problem, I have installed wubi to use ubuntu and Linux, but the Problem is, everytime when I start Linux my two-Key doesn't work
[16:47] <Evolykane> Is there a fix for it?
[19:02] <soee> minitube user maybe ?
[19:34] <cer> hi everybody! there are some errors in my dmesg when it loads the the nouveu module
[19:34] <cer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6465235/
[20:22] <PasNox> Hi
[20:23] <PasNox> i would like to enable triple buffer for my nvidia graphics card, doc say to add the option in xorg.conf file, but this one is not existing in my kubuntu saucy version.
[20:23] <PasNox> is there other palce i could set the option ? or i need to create and compelte a full xorg.conf file ?
[22:01] <mokush> what's with the "#savetheday party" announcements?
[22:23] <Taduro_> soee: yes, I use minitube
[22:23] <soee> Taduro_, do you have problems with loading youtube hd videos ?
[22:23] <soee> for example i can play some, app freezes after 3 seconds and if i left it it starts to work after several minutes
[22:24] <Taduro_> soee: I have a lot of problems with minitube. It's like it's full of bugs.
[22:24] <soee> ah ok
[22:24] <Taduro_> soee: yes, the same here, but I close the application..
[22:24] <Taduro_> A lot of issues..
[22:24] <soee> i think i havent such problems on 13.04
[22:41] <mastermentor> habbcccddeDEDDDDDDDDDEEEE
[22:50] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there a way to remove a file or files to force K menu to rebuild itself?
[22:52] <HighHo> How do you mean, remove menu items, or clear recently opened apps and documents?
[22:54] <littlegirl> HighHo: I'd like to remove whatever file or files that are telling the K menu what to have on it and force it to rebuild itself.
[22:54] <littlegirl> HighHo: The whole menu.
[22:58] <HighHo> You can use "kmenuedit" and use "restore to system menu"
[22:59] <littlegirl> HighHo: Oh, thank you! That fixed it!
[22:59]  * littlegirl hugs HighHo
[22:59] <HighHo> Your welcome, glad its resolved the issue :)
[23:00] <littlegirl> Oh, thank goodness. You are *wonderful*! I was looking at a whole lot of work, and you did it in a split second. (:
[23:00] <littlegirl> HighHo: Thanks once again - I'm off to go eat now. I hope I can repay the favor sometime. (:
[23:53] <dougl> litt