| Private_User | ciao people | 00:54 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | cremora minora | 06:29 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 06:30 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:38 |
| Kilos | Blood is thicker than water but maple syrup is thicker than blood so technically pancakes are more important than family | 07:38 |
| magespawn | good morning | 08:08 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 08:38 |
| Kilos | stupid ubiquity | 08:41 |
| Kilos | kubuntu installs on a stick as if its a drive but unity wont | 08:42 |
| Kilos | grrr | 08:42 |
| Kilos | hi space | 08:52 |
| nlsthzn | alo all | 09:16 |
| Kilos | dag neelsie | 09:16 |
| nlsthzn | how goes it? | 09:17 |
| Kilos | lekker ty and you | 09:17 |
| nlsthzn | always good | 09:18 |
| nlsthzn | pity the rugby is so late :/ | 09:18 |
| nlsthzn | I will be way to drunk to watch | 09:18 |
| Kilos | yeah crazy hey | 09:18 |
| Kilos | 10pm za time | 09:19 |
| Kilos | is pendrivelinux for win peeps? | 09:21 |
| nlsthzn | dunno | 09:22 |
| nlsthzn | pizza and movie time bbl | 09:23 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 09:23 |
| magespawn | how are you doing the install Kilos ? | 09:23 |
| Kilos | i tried from dvd and from another stick magespawn | 09:24 |
| Kilos | enjoy nlsthzn | 09:24 |
| Kilos | and kubuntu dont give any hassles | 09:24 |
| Kilos | ive even googled for a command to install from the dvd or stick | 09:25 |
| Kilos | find all other kinds of stuff like install ubuntu from a stick | 09:26 |
| Kilos | grrr | 09:26 |
| Kilos | even after booting if i click install it opens the live option | 09:27 |
| Kilos | with no install icon goodie | 09:28 |
| magespawn | how are you getting the live image onto the stick/ | 09:29 |
| magespawn | ? | 09:29 |
| magespawn | sounds like it is not seeing the hard drive | 09:29 |
| Kilos | i used startup disk creator and unetbootin and my remastersys dvd | 09:30 |
| Kilos | they dont seem to see the stick yes | 09:30 |
| Kilos | but kde does | 09:31 |
| Kilos | and i cant rewrite my book to match kde | 09:31 |
| Kilos | also when on the live dvd or stick gparted sees the stick | 09:38 |
| magespawn | i see | 09:38 |
| Kilos | only the installer sukkels | 09:38 |
| magespawn | are you trying to make a bootable stick for your book? | 09:39 |
| Kilos | as a last resort i can install kde and then ubuntu-desktop i spose | 09:39 |
| Kilos | yessir | 09:39 |
| Kilos | not just a bootable startup installer stick but a fully installed stick | 09:41 |
| Kilos | so one can run the working os from the stick without updates and all that stuff | 09:42 |
| Kilos | if kde can install then so should unity | 09:44 |
| magespawn | maybe it is a unity thing | 09:49 |
| magespawn | maybe try a another version, a light version like xubuntu | 09:50 |
| Kilos | yeah looks like | 09:50 |
| Kilos | oh i have an xubuntu cd ya | 09:50 |
| Kilos | i dunno if kde also uses ubiquity | 09:51 |
| Kilos | also it might be that old pc. | 09:51 |
| Kilos | but too many things to unplug to try here | 09:51 |
| magespawn | well with a light desktop you can be fairly certain it will run on most hardware | 09:52 |
| Kilos | ya but that pc runs 12.04 unity fine on a drive | 09:52 |
| Kilos | its the usb stick part that sucks on unity | 09:52 |
| Kilos | lemme see what other options there are in bios | 09:53 |
| Kilos | /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm is the crash prob | 10:04 |
| Kilos | maybe i should send an error report | 10:04 |
| magespawn | might be idea | 10:06 |
| Kilos | lotsa info in there | 10:08 |
| Kilos | attriberror: no frontend available tried gtk_ui kde_ui | 10:10 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 10:14 |
| Vince-0 | Hi hoe gaan dit op die plaas | 10:15 |
| charl | good morning | 10:16 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 10:16 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 10:16 | |
| charl | Maaz: seen cantide | 10:16 |
| Maaz | charl: cantide was last seen 11 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes and 33 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-12 08:40:07 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-12 08:46:37 SAST | 10:16 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 10:16 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 10:17 |
| charl | how's it going | 10:17 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 10:17 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Alrighty | 10:17 |
| charl | i'm looking at buying a new phone but i don't know what to get | 10:18 |
| Vince-0 | big bettery | 10:18 |
| Vince-0 | battery* | 10:18 |
| charl | yeah good battery life is an essential feature now | 10:18 |
| Vince-0 | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_maxx-4666.php | 10:19 |
| Vince-0 | the only other phones with that size battery are the Huawei Mate2? And the Galaxy Notes | 10:19 |
| charl | it turns out i can get unlimited 3g for 15 euro per month on a sim only deal | 10:19 |
| Vince-0 | yoh | 10:19 |
| charl | so i want to get a phone that i can tether with | 10:20 |
| charl | and that eats battery like you won't believe | 10:20 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! | 10:20 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 10:20 |
| Maaz | charl: No problem | 10:20 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 10:20 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 10:20 |
| charl | 50 mins and 50 sms with unlimited data will cost me total 17 euro so that's pretty fair i think | 10:21 |
| charl | i won't mind running cyanogenmod or ubuntu mobile on it either | 10:21 |
| charl | so that it doesn't turn into an android-based nsa spying device for example | 10:22 |
| charl | i'm scared of some of these deals because it turns out the mobile carrier can "push" an application onto your phone without it knowing | 10:22 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:23 |
| charl | i wanna run chatsecure and xmpp with my own server running on prosody for IM in any case | 10:23 |
| charl | there was a case somewhere in NL where a guy made a bomb joke on whatsapp and the next moment the police came knocking on his door | 10:23 |
| charl | was all over the news - comes to show how secure whatsapp is | 10:24 |
| charl | this terrorism has been used as an excuse now to take away about all of our remaining freedom | 10:24 |
| Vince-0 | jeepers | 10:32 |
| Vince-0 | whatsapp is the devil | 10:32 |
| charl | indeed | 10:33 |
| charl | here's the original article: http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2013/10/09/privacy-2013-politie-aan-de-deur-na-whatsapp-bericht/ (in dutch) | 10:36 |
| charl | but now that i google it again i found this: http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/10/10/politiebezoek-na-mondelinge-tip-niet-door-whatsapp-bericht-over-bom/ | 10:37 |
| charl | which basically says that they received a tip from someone else and that they are not listening in on whatsapp | 10:37 |
| charl | so it might have been an overhyped misunderstanding after what happened the past summer with the nsa | 10:37 |
| Kilos | ty magespawn its taking xubuntu 12.04 | 10:54 |
| Kilos | then i spose i can unify it later | 10:55 |
| magespawn | is unity needed Kilos ? | 11:23 |
| Kilos | lol not really | 11:24 |
| Kilos | only thats what peeps gonn get after using the book/stick | 11:24 |
| Kilos | all explanations must change, and i dont like xubuntu much | 11:25 |
| Kilos | needs to be something im comfortable with | 11:25 |
| magespawn | ah i see | 11:27 |
| magespawn | thought maybe there was a program that required unity | 11:27 |
| Kilos | na | 11:30 |
| Kilos | could even have used 10.10 | 11:32 |
| Kilos | maybe | 11:32 |
| Kilos | hi Private_User | 11:40 |
| Private_User | hey Kilos hows it going? | 11:41 |
| Kilos | good ty and you? | 11:41 |
| Private_User | not to bad hey | 11:42 |
| Private_User | except I am finding now that sometimes when I start up my Lubuntu desktop I get an internal error message | 11:44 |
| Private_User | now I am trying to figure out how to copy this error | 11:44 |
| Kilos | what does it say | 11:45 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:45 |
| Kilos | same one? | 11:45 |
| charl | i have a question | 11:45 |
| charl | secure imap server - which one? | 11:45 |
| Kilos | if you are online it should give the option to report it | 11:46 |
| charl | if i get an android phone it would be nice to be able to check my mail (but leave all my mail on my server) | 11:46 |
| Private_User | yep same error as the last time | 11:46 |
| charl | i usually read my mail by ssh'ing into the server and reading the mail locally with mutt | 11:46 |
| charl | but it looks like i might need to install an imaps server after all | 11:46 |
| Kilos | dont android do pop | 11:46 |
| charl | i used a server called dovecot almost 10 years ago but it turned out to be somewhat insecure and not too well tested | 11:47 |
| charl | i definitely don't want to use pop because that downloads and stores the mail on the android device | 11:47 |
| charl | i want to use imap so that all the mail is kept on the server | 11:47 |
| charl | even though i can delete individual messages, say | 11:47 |
| Kilos | i use pop with evolution and all mails stay at gmail | 11:48 |
| charl | i'm actually not too happy about running *yet* another daemon | 11:48 |
| Private_User | yeah I clicked report it and it came up with another window which states The application Report a problem... has closed unexpectedly. | 11:48 |
| charl | i would much rather stick to something that can run across ssh | 11:48 |
| Kilos | Private_User, read that report and see what it says the error is or what it involves | 11:48 |
| charl | Kilos: there is an option for that, but does it also work with mail organised into different folders ? | 11:48 |
| Kilos | i dunno charl all my mails stay at gmail | 11:49 |
| Kilos | havent tried more folders | 11:49 |
| charl | pop is not too flexible | 11:50 |
| charl | it was good for what it was designed for | 11:50 |
| Kilos | charl, how does one copy an error report | 11:50 |
| charl | i could even try to install a web interface but then security is once again a concern | 11:50 |
| Kilos | highlight copy dont work | 11:50 |
| charl | and i would need something that works well on a mobile device | 11:50 |
| charl | error report? what type of error report? | 11:50 |
| charl | yeah some dialogs don't allow you to copy the text inside | 11:51 |
| Kilos | you know man you musta seen it at sometime | 11:51 |
| charl | in that case, just make a screenshot | 11:51 |
| Kilos | the report a bug thingie | 11:51 |
| charl | oh the ubuntu error report dialog? no idea i always just close it without thinking twice | 11:51 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:51 |
| charl | but just make a screenshot ? | 11:51 |
| Kilos | Private_User, do that | 11:52 |
| Kilos | make it large though | 11:52 |
| Kilos | my one eye is blind and the other also doesnt see | 11:52 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:52 |
| Private_User | ok I am trying that now | 11:52 |
| charl | lol | 11:52 |
| Private_User | does printscreen button not create a screeshot? | 11:56 |
| Kilos | no somewhere there is a screenshot goodie | 11:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google where is screenshot in lubuntu | 11:58 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Taking screenshots in Lubuntu (11.10) - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/184618/taking-screenshots-in-lubuntu-11-10 :: "Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Officially Released ..." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-10-Saucy-Salamander-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-392208.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.04 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia News" | 11:58 |
| Maaz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-04-Screenshot-Tour-348566.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.10 Beta … | 11:58 |
| Kilos | Private_User, one of those links will tell you how to do it | 11:58 |
| Private_User | thanks Kilos | 11:59 |
| Kilos | np | 11:59 |
| Kilos | if the error report crashes apport isnt happy hey charl ? | 12:05 |
| charl | what is apport? | 12:06 |
| Kilos | the thing that reports probs | 12:06 |
| Kilos | i think | 12:06 |
| charl | reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport | 12:06 |
| charl | yeah that sounds about right | 12:07 |
| charl | what apport crashed? so the error reporting itself created an error? | 12:07 |
| charl | that is almost ironical | 12:07 |
| charl | debugging applications and sending bug reports not containing any "confidential" information of the user can be tricky | 12:07 |
| Kilos | no man it crashed trying to report an error | 12:08 |
| charl | if you have a java exception for example you can simply take the whole stack trace etc or whatever comes out of stderr | 12:08 |
| charl | whahahahha ! | 12:08 |
| charl | that is ironical indeed | 12:08 |
| charl | sorry i don't have any experience with apport | 12:08 |
| charl | fortunately i don't use "standard" ubuntu so i don't get it crashing all over me all the time | 12:08 |
| charl | when i used to use gnome3 and the first couple of versions of kde4 i got so many crashes that i just started ignoring them | 12:09 |
| Kilos | most likely the error is in the init stuff and has been removed but the link is still there | 12:09 |
| charl | but those two were super unstable in the early years | 12:09 |
| charl | hmmm quite possibly, if you know which init script it is you can remove it manually | 12:09 |
| charl | or simply stop it from executing by removing the x flag | 12:09 |
| Kilos | thats why i wanna see the error report | 12:10 |
| Kilos | gives info on what the error is | 12:10 |
| charl | we used to use update-rc.d but i don't know if that is still the case in the latest ubuntu | 12:10 |
| charl | if it's in the init scripts it should also stand in the syslog | 12:10 |
| charl | i think? | 12:10 |
| charl | i would say grep the syslog for a start | 12:11 |
| Kilos | i dont know enough | 12:11 |
| charl | hold on a second..you are seeing a complete nondescrip error message? | 12:11 |
| charl | that's terrible ubuntu for you | 12:12 |
| charl | was exactly the opposite of what linux was designed to be - open and transparent | 12:12 |
| Kilos | it might be looking for something that was removed not purged | 12:13 |
| Kilos | as in .conf still there | 12:16 |
| Private_User | now my screen just went off while trying to do a screen sot of the error report | 12:20 |
| Private_User | *shot | 12:20 |
| Private_User | looks like I am gonna have to wait until that error appears again cause now there is no response when moving the mouse or pressing any key on the keyboard | 12:22 |
| Private_User | screen is stil off | 12:22 |
| Private_User | ok seems like the reset button has to do | 12:23 |
| Private_User | lol I pressed the reset buttong and it switched the compuetr off | 12:24 |
| Kilos | eish | 12:26 |
| Private_User | and no error on startup this time | 12:26 |
| Kilos | do sudo touch /forcefsck | 12:27 |
| Private_User | ok spoke to soon error has poped up | 12:27 |
| Kilos | then next time you reboot it will do a filesystem check | 12:27 |
| Kilos | ok try screenshot it | 12:27 |
| Kilos | something is unhappy there | 12:28 |
| Private_User | actually there are 2 errors | 12:28 |
| Private_User | I clicked show details it is thinking | 12:28 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:28 |
| Kilos | storming here if i disappear power has died | 12:29 |
| Private_User | ok | 12:30 |
| charl | sorry back | 12:30 |
| charl | if the config is still there it shouldn't matter | 12:30 |
| charl | it's just there in case you reinstall it | 12:30 |
| charl | if you customised the configuration for example, that you don't lose your customisations accidentally | 12:30 |
| Private_User | now its not reponding to any of my mouse commands | 12:31 |
| Private_User | or keyboard | 12:31 |
| Kilos | ai! | 12:31 |
| Private_User | cannot even do the screenshot | 12:31 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude reinstall apport | 12:31 |
| Kilos | oh my | 12:32 |
| Kilos | can you not open a terminal even | 12:32 |
| Private_User | had to do a hard reset now | 12:32 |
| Private_User | nope not even terminal none of the keyboard commands were doing anything | 12:32 |
| Kilos | kill button | 12:33 |
| Kilos | short one to start with | 12:33 |
| Kilos | if it dont say shutting down do a long one | 12:33 |
| Private_User | trying to re-install apport | 12:36 |
| Private_User | how long would it take cause on the terminal screen the last line reads "apport stop/waiting" | 12:36 |
| Private_User | and it does not seem to be doing much | 12:37 |
| Kilos | hows the internet connection | 12:37 |
| Private_User | ok my mistake its frozen | 12:37 |
| Kilos | eish | 12:37 |
| Private_User | no mouse or keyboard response | 12:37 |
| Kilos | did you do sudo touch /forcefsck | 12:38 |
| Private_User | yep but did not restart | 12:38 |
| Kilos | or do recovery on booting | 12:38 |
| Kilos | something is corrupt | 12:38 |
| Private_User | ok now did a filesystem check and then enable networking and clicked repair broken packages just in case and it seems to be doing alot | 12:46 |
| Private_User | but now I am wondering if I should have waited for Nite Surfer time | 12:46 |
| Private_User | ok now its seems to be stuck doing nothing, its at the point where it says "Get:13 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main openjdk-6-jdk i386 6b27-1.12.6-1ubuntu0.12.04.4 [11,2 MB]" "Fetched 83,3 MB in 3min 22s (412 kB/s)" | 12:56 |
| Private_User | should I reboot or wait? | 12:57 |
| Private_User | the screen is even going off as when the machine is doing absolutely nothing | 12:57 |
| Kilos | is it hanging | 13:04 |
| Kilos | nice fast connection you have | 13:05 |
| Private_User | I restarted it in recovery mode again and re-ran the repair broken packages that seem to have completed | 13:05 |
| Kilos | ok then carry on doing things | 13:07 |
| Kilos | it will tell you if reboot needed | 13:07 |
| Private_User | but I rebooted and it hung had to perform a hard reset | 13:08 |
| Private_User | I have been doing many for that today | 13:08 |
| Kilos | eish | 13:08 |
| Kilos | sudo aptitude reinstall upstart | 13:08 |
| Private_User | wondering if my actual hdd is fine | 13:08 |
| Kilos | ah thats also old | 13:08 |
| Kilos | what size is it | 13:09 |
| Private_User | 80GB | 13:09 |
| Kilos | if it was big you could install again alongside | 13:10 |
| Kilos | actually i got a bad blocks command somewhere that checks | 13:10 |
| Kilos | but i think you gotta run it from another drive or the cd | 13:11 |
| Private_User | ok I now got the internal error again | 13:12 |
| Kilos | try the screenshot | 13:13 |
| Kilos | http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/02/easy-way-to-checking-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors-and-errors-in-ubuntu.html | 13:13 |
| Kilos | and see what that link says | 13:13 |
| Kilos | old drives can be gray hairs | 13:15 |
| Private_User | now everything I open and i try to do something its crashing or just closing | 13:17 |
| Private_User | now I am actually starting to get a little pissed of with this machine, feel like kicking it and throwing it out the window | 13:18 |
| Private_User | let me try this bad block thingie and see what it says | 13:19 |
| Private_User | had to hard reset again | 13:19 |
| Private_User | now running the bad blocks so lets see what happens | 13:22 |
| Private_User | think maybe its time for me to take a break while its running | 13:22 |
| Private_User | brb | 13:22 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 15:51 |
| Private_User | 0 bad blocks | 15:52 |
| Kilos | great | 15:53 |
| Kilos | wow that looks wrong | 15:53 |
| Kilos | Maaz, spell great | 15:54 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Looks good to me | 15:54 |
| Kilos | ok then Private_User we gotta find whats causing the prob | 15:54 |
| Kilos | maybe bad install but should be fixable | 15:55 |
| Kilos | i wish the clever okes were here to guide us | 15:55 |
| Kilos | is it still hanging and messing around? | 15:56 |
| Kilos | dont forget with min ram there will be lotsa thinking times | 15:56 |
| Kilos | have you done a memory test? | 15:57 |
| magespawn | home time for me later all | 16:01 |
| Kilos | go safe magespawn | 16:01 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 18:41 |
| Private_User | I wondering if anybody else in here have trouble sleeping like I do? | 23:31 |
| Private_User | currently running updates on my lubuntu installation but this time I clicked all options so nows it actually is doing more than just stating that it is up to date | 23:32 |
| Private_User | guys is there a log file of all errors encountered in ubuntu and where can I find it or is reset everytime I reboot? | 23:42 |
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