[00:54] ciao people [06:29] cremora minora [06:30] hi nlsthzn [07:38] haha [07:38] Blood is thicker than water but maple syrup is thicker than blood so technically pancakes are more important than family [08:08] good morning [08:38] hi magespawn [08:41] stupid ubiquity [08:42] kubuntu installs on a stick as if its a drive but unity wont [08:42] grrr [08:52] hi space [09:16] alo all [09:16] dag neelsie [09:17] how goes it? [09:17] lekker ty and you [09:18] always good [09:18] pity the rugby is so late :/ [09:18] I will be way to drunk to watch [09:18] yeah crazy hey [09:19] 10pm za time [09:21] is pendrivelinux for win peeps? [09:22] dunno [09:23] pizza and movie time bbl [09:23] hey Kilos [09:23] how are you doing the install Kilos ? [09:24] i tried from dvd and from another stick magespawn [09:24] enjoy nlsthzn [09:24] and kubuntu dont give any hassles [09:25] ive even googled for a command to install from the dvd or stick [09:26] find all other kinds of stuff like install ubuntu from a stick [09:26] grrr [09:27] even after booting if i click install it opens the live option [09:28] with no install icon goodie [09:29] how are you getting the live image onto the stick/ [09:29] ? [09:29] sounds like it is not seeing the hard drive [09:30] i used startup disk creator and unetbootin and my remastersys dvd [09:30] they dont seem to see the stick yes [09:31] but kde does [09:31] and i cant rewrite my book to match kde [09:38] also when on the live dvd or stick gparted sees the stick [09:38] i see [09:38] only the installer sukkels [09:39] are you trying to make a bootable stick for your book? [09:39] as a last resort i can install kde and then ubuntu-desktop i spose [09:39] yessir [09:41] not just a bootable startup installer stick but a fully installed stick [09:42] so one can run the working os from the stick without updates and all that stuff [09:44] if kde can install then so should unity [09:49] maybe it is a unity thing [09:50] maybe try a another version, a light version like xubuntu [09:50] yeah looks like [09:50] oh i have an xubuntu cd ya [09:51] i dunno if kde also uses ubiquity [09:51] also it might be that old pc. [09:51] but too many things to unplug to try here [09:52] well with a light desktop you can be fairly certain it will run on most hardware [09:52] ya but that pc runs 12.04 unity fine on a drive [09:52] its the usb stick part that sucks on unity [09:53] lemme see what other options there are in bios [10:04] /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm is the crash prob [10:04] maybe i should send an error report [10:06] might be idea [10:08] lotsa info in there [10:10] attriberror: no frontend available tried gtk_ui kde_ui [10:14] hi Vince-0 [10:15] Hi hoe gaan dit op die plaas [10:16] good morning [10:16] Maaz: coffee on [10:16] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [10:16] Maaz: seen cantide [10:16] charl: cantide was last seen 11 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes and 33 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-12 08:40:07 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-12 08:46:37 SAST [10:16] hi Kilos [10:17] hi charl [10:17] how's it going [10:17] Maaz, coffee please [10:17] Kilos: Alrighty [10:18] i'm looking at buying a new phone but i don't know what to get [10:18] big bettery [10:18] battery* [10:18] yeah good battery life is an essential feature now [10:19] http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_maxx-4666.php [10:19] the only other phones with that size battery are the Huawei Mate2? And the Galaxy Notes [10:19] it turns out i can get unlimited 3g for 15 euro per month on a sim only deal [10:19] yoh [10:20] so i want to get a phone that i can tether with [10:20] and that eats battery like you won't believe [10:20] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [10:20] Maaz: thanks [10:20] charl: No problem [10:20] Maaz, ty [10:20] You are welcome Kilos [10:21] 50 mins and 50 sms with unlimited data will cost me total 17 euro so that's pretty fair i think [10:21] i won't mind running cyanogenmod or ubuntu mobile on it either [10:22] so that it doesn't turn into an android-based nsa spying device for example [10:22] i'm scared of some of these deals because it turns out the mobile carrier can "push" an application onto your phone without it knowing [10:23] lol [10:23] i wanna run chatsecure and xmpp with my own server running on prosody for IM in any case [10:23] there was a case somewhere in NL where a guy made a bomb joke on whatsapp and the next moment the police came knocking on his door [10:24] was all over the news - comes to show how secure whatsapp is [10:24] this terrorism has been used as an excuse now to take away about all of our remaining freedom [10:32] jeepers [10:32] whatsapp is the devil [10:33] indeed [10:36] here's the original article: http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2013/10/09/privacy-2013-politie-aan-de-deur-na-whatsapp-bericht/ (in dutch) [10:37] but now that i google it again i found this: http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/10/10/politiebezoek-na-mondelinge-tip-niet-door-whatsapp-bericht-over-bom/ [10:37] which basically says that they received a tip from someone else and that they are not listening in on whatsapp [10:37] so it might have been an overhyped misunderstanding after what happened the past summer with the nsa [10:54] ty magespawn its taking xubuntu 12.04 [10:55] then i spose i can unify it later [11:23] is unity needed Kilos ? [11:24] lol not really [11:24] only thats what peeps gonn get after using the book/stick [11:25] all explanations must change, and i dont like xubuntu much [11:25] needs to be something im comfortable with [11:27] ah i see [11:27] thought maybe there was a program that required unity [11:30] na [11:32] could even have used 10.10 [11:32] maybe [11:40] hi Private_User [11:41] hey Kilos hows it going? [11:41] good ty and you? [11:42] not to bad hey [11:44] except I am finding now that sometimes when I start up my Lubuntu desktop I get an internal error message [11:44] now I am trying to figure out how to copy this error [11:45] what does it say [11:45] lol [11:45] same one? [11:45] i have a question [11:45] secure imap server - which one? [11:46] if you are online it should give the option to report it [11:46] if i get an android phone it would be nice to be able to check my mail (but leave all my mail on my server) [11:46] yep same error as the last time [11:46] i usually read my mail by ssh'ing into the server and reading the mail locally with mutt [11:46] but it looks like i might need to install an imaps server after all [11:46] dont android do pop [11:47] i used a server called dovecot almost 10 years ago but it turned out to be somewhat insecure and not too well tested [11:47] i definitely don't want to use pop because that downloads and stores the mail on the android device [11:47] i want to use imap so that all the mail is kept on the server [11:47] even though i can delete individual messages, say [11:48] i use pop with evolution and all mails stay at gmail [11:48] i'm actually not too happy about running *yet* another daemon [11:48] yeah I clicked report it and it came up with another window which states The application Report a problem... has closed unexpectedly. [11:48] i would much rather stick to something that can run across ssh [11:48] Private_User, read that report and see what it says the error is or what it involves [11:48] Kilos: there is an option for that, but does it also work with mail organised into different folders ? [11:49] i dunno charl all my mails stay at gmail [11:49] havent tried more folders [11:50] pop is not too flexible [11:50] it was good for what it was designed for [11:50] charl, how does one copy an error report [11:50] i could even try to install a web interface but then security is once again a concern [11:50] highlight copy dont work [11:50] and i would need something that works well on a mobile device [11:50] error report? what type of error report? [11:51] yeah some dialogs don't allow you to copy the text inside [11:51] you know man you musta seen it at sometime [11:51] in that case, just make a screenshot [11:51] the report a bug thingie [11:51] oh the ubuntu error report dialog? no idea i always just close it without thinking twice [11:51] lol [11:51] but just make a screenshot ? [11:52] Private_User, do that [11:52] make it large though [11:52] my one eye is blind and the other also doesnt see [11:52] hehe [11:52] ok I am trying that now [11:52] lol [11:56] does printscreen button not create a screeshot? [11:57] no somewhere there is a screenshot goodie [11:58] Maaz, google where is screenshot in lubuntu [11:58] Kilos: "Taking screenshots in Lubuntu (11.10) - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/184618/taking-screenshots-in-lubuntu-11-10 :: "Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Officially Released ..." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-10-Saucy-Salamander-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-392208.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.04 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia News" [11:58] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-04-Screenshot-Tour-348566.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.10 Beta … [11:58] Private_User, one of those links will tell you how to do it [11:59] thanks Kilos [11:59] np [12:05] if the error report crashes apport isnt happy hey charl ? [12:06] what is apport? [12:06] the thing that reports probs [12:06] i think [12:06] reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport [12:07] yeah that sounds about right [12:07] what apport crashed? so the error reporting itself created an error? [12:07] that is almost ironical [12:07] debugging applications and sending bug reports not containing any "confidential" information of the user can be tricky [12:08] no man it crashed trying to report an error [12:08] if you have a java exception for example you can simply take the whole stack trace etc or whatever comes out of stderr [12:08] whahahahha ! [12:08] that is ironical indeed [12:08] sorry i don't have any experience with apport [12:08] fortunately i don't use "standard" ubuntu so i don't get it crashing all over me all the time [12:09] when i used to use gnome3 and the first couple of versions of kde4 i got so many crashes that i just started ignoring them [12:09] most likely the error is in the init stuff and has been removed but the link is still there [12:09] but those two were super unstable in the early years [12:09] hmmm quite possibly, if you know which init script it is you can remove it manually [12:09] or simply stop it from executing by removing the x flag [12:10] thats why i wanna see the error report [12:10] gives info on what the error is [12:10] we used to use update-rc.d but i don't know if that is still the case in the latest ubuntu [12:10] if it's in the init scripts it should also stand in the syslog [12:10] i think? [12:11] i would say grep the syslog for a start [12:11] i dont know enough [12:11] hold on a second..you are seeing a complete nondescrip error message? [12:12] that's terrible ubuntu for you [12:12] was exactly the opposite of what linux was designed to be - open and transparent [12:13] it might be looking for something that was removed not purged [12:16] as in .conf still there [12:20] now my screen just went off while trying to do a screen sot of the error report [12:20] *shot [12:22] looks like I am gonna have to wait until that error appears again cause now there is no response when moving the mouse or pressing any key on the keyboard [12:22] screen is stil off [12:23] ok seems like the reset button has to do [12:24] lol I pressed the reset buttong and it switched the compuetr off [12:26] eish [12:26] and no error on startup this time [12:27] do sudo touch /forcefsck [12:27] ok spoke to soon error has poped up [12:27] then next time you reboot it will do a filesystem check [12:27] ok try screenshot it [12:28] something is unhappy there [12:28] actually there are 2 errors [12:28] I clicked show details it is thinking [12:28] lol [12:29] storming here if i disappear power has died [12:30] ok [12:30] sorry back [12:30] if the config is still there it shouldn't matter [12:30] it's just there in case you reinstall it [12:30] if you customised the configuration for example, that you don't lose your customisations accidentally [12:31] now its not reponding to any of my mouse commands [12:31] or keyboard [12:31] ai! [12:31] cannot even do the screenshot [12:31] sudo aptitude reinstall apport [12:32] oh my [12:32] can you not open a terminal even [12:32] had to do a hard reset now [12:32] nope not even terminal none of the keyboard commands were doing anything [12:33] kill button [12:33] short one to start with [12:33] if it dont say shutting down do a long one [12:36] trying to re-install apport [12:36] how long would it take cause on the terminal screen the last line reads "apport stop/waiting" [12:37] and it does not seem to be doing much [12:37] hows the internet connection [12:37] ok my mistake its frozen [12:37] eish [12:37] no mouse or keyboard response [12:38] did you do sudo touch /forcefsck [12:38] yep but did not restart [12:38] or do recovery on booting [12:38] something is corrupt [12:46] ok now did a filesystem check and then enable networking and clicked repair broken packages just in case and it seems to be doing alot [12:46] but now I am wondering if I should have waited for Nite Surfer time [12:56] ok now its seems to be stuck doing nothing, its at the point where it says "Get:13 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main openjdk-6-jdk i386 6b27-1.12.6-1ubuntu0.12.04.4 [11,2 MB]" "Fetched 83,3 MB in 3min 22s (412 kB/s)" [12:57] should I reboot or wait? [12:57] the screen is even going off as when the machine is doing absolutely nothing [13:04] is it hanging [13:05] nice fast connection you have [13:05] I restarted it in recovery mode again and re-ran the repair broken packages that seem to have completed [13:07] ok then carry on doing things [13:07] it will tell you if reboot needed [13:08] but I rebooted and it hung had to perform a hard reset [13:08] I have been doing many for that today [13:08] eish [13:08] sudo aptitude reinstall upstart [13:08] wondering if my actual hdd is fine [13:08] ah thats also old [13:09] what size is it [13:09] 80GB [13:10] if it was big you could install again alongside [13:10] actually i got a bad blocks command somewhere that checks [13:11] but i think you gotta run it from another drive or the cd [13:12] ok I now got the internal error again [13:13] try the screenshot [13:13] http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/02/easy-way-to-checking-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors-and-errors-in-ubuntu.html [13:13] and see what that link says [13:15] old drives can be gray hairs [13:17] now everything I open and i try to do something its crashing or just closing [13:18] now I am actually starting to get a little pissed of with this machine, feel like kicking it and throwing it out the window [13:19] let me try this bad block thingie and see what it says [13:19] had to hard reset again [13:22] now running the bad blocks so lets see what happens [13:22] think maybe its time for me to take a break while its running [13:22] brb [15:51] hmm... [15:52] 0 bad blocks [15:53] great [15:53] wow that looks wrong [15:54] Maaz, spell great [15:54] Kilos: Looks good to me [15:54] ok then Private_User we gotta find whats causing the prob [15:55] maybe bad install but should be fixable [15:55] i wish the clever okes were here to guide us [15:56] is it still hanging and messing around? [15:56] dont forget with min ram there will be lotsa thinking times [15:57] have you done a memory test? [16:01] home time for me later all [16:01] go safe magespawn [18:41] night all. sleep tight [23:31] I wondering if anybody else in here have trouble sleeping like I do? [23:32] currently running updates on my lubuntu installation but this time I clicked all options so nows it actually is doing more than just stating that it is up to date [23:42] guys is there a log file of all errors encountered in ubuntu and where can I find it or is reset everytime I reboot?