[00:54] <Private_User> ciao people
[06:29] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[07:38] <Kilos> haha
[07:38] <Kilos> Blood is thicker than water but maple syrup is thicker than blood so technically pancakes are more important than family
[08:08] <magespawn> good morning
[08:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:41] <Kilos> stupid ubiquity
[08:42] <Kilos> kubuntu installs on a stick as if its a drive but unity wont
[08:42] <Kilos> grrr
[08:52] <Kilos> hi space 
[09:16] <nlsthzn> alo all
[09:16] <Kilos> dag neelsie
[09:17] <nlsthzn> how goes it?
[09:17] <Kilos> lekker ty and you
[09:18] <nlsthzn> always good
[09:18] <nlsthzn> pity the rugby is so late :/
[09:18] <nlsthzn> I will be way to drunk to watch 
[09:18] <Kilos> yeah crazy hey
[09:19] <Kilos> 10pm za time
[09:21] <Kilos> is pendrivelinux for win peeps?
[09:22] <nlsthzn> dunno
[09:23] <nlsthzn> pizza and movie time bbl
[09:23] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[09:23] <magespawn> how are you doing the install Kilos ?
[09:24] <Kilos> i tried from dvd and from another stick magespawn 
[09:24] <Kilos> enjoy nlsthzn 
[09:24] <Kilos> and kubuntu dont give any hassles
[09:25] <Kilos> ive even googled for a command to install from the dvd or stick
[09:26] <Kilos> find all other kinds of stuff like install ubuntu from a stick
[09:26] <Kilos> grrr
[09:27] <Kilos> even after booting if i click install it opens the live option 
[09:28] <Kilos> with no install icon goodie
[09:29] <magespawn> how are you getting the live image onto the stick/
[09:29] <magespawn> ?
[09:29] <magespawn> sounds like it is not seeing the hard drive
[09:30] <Kilos> i used startup disk creator and unetbootin and my remastersys dvd
[09:30] <Kilos> they dont seem to see the stick yes
[09:31] <Kilos> but kde does
[09:31] <Kilos> and i cant rewrite my book to match kde
[09:38] <Kilos> also when on the live dvd or stick gparted sees the stick
[09:38] <magespawn> i see
[09:38] <Kilos> only the installer sukkels
[09:39] <magespawn> are you trying to make a bootable stick for your book?
[09:39] <Kilos> as a last resort i can install kde and then ubuntu-desktop i spose 
[09:39] <Kilos> yessir
[09:41] <Kilos> not just a bootable startup installer stick but a fully installed stick
[09:42] <Kilos> so one can run the working os from the stick without updates and all that stuff
[09:44] <Kilos> if kde can install then so should unity
[09:49] <magespawn> maybe it is a unity thing
[09:50] <magespawn> maybe try a another version, a light version like xubuntu
[09:50] <Kilos> yeah looks like
[09:50] <Kilos> oh i have an xubuntu cd ya
[09:51] <Kilos> i dunno if kde also uses ubiquity
[09:51] <Kilos> also it might be that old pc.
[09:51] <Kilos> but too many things to unplug to try here
[09:52] <magespawn> well with a light desktop you can be fairly certain it will run on most hardware
[09:52] <Kilos> ya but that pc runs 12.04 unity fine on a drive
[09:52] <Kilos> its the usb stick part that sucks on unity
[09:53] <Kilos> lemme see what other options there are in bios
[10:04] <Kilos> /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm is the crash prob
[10:04] <Kilos> maybe i should send an error report
[10:06] <magespawn> might be idea
[10:08] <Kilos> lotsa info in there
[10:10] <Kilos> attriberror: no frontend available tried gtk_ui kde_ui
[10:14] <Kilos> hi  Vince-0 
[10:15] <Vince-0> Hi hoe gaan dit op die plaas
[10:16] <charl> good morning
[10:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:16] <charl> Maaz: seen cantide
[10:16] <Maaz> charl: cantide was last seen 11 days, 3 hours, 36 minutes and 33 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-12 08:40:07 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-12 08:46:37 SAST
[10:16] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:17] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:17] <charl> how's it going
[10:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[10:18] <charl> i'm looking at buying a new phone but i don't know what to get
[10:18] <Vince-0> big bettery
[10:18] <Vince-0> battery*
[10:18] <charl> yeah good battery life is an essential feature now
[10:19] <Vince-0> http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_maxx-4666.php
[10:19] <Vince-0> the only other phones with that size battery are the Huawei Mate2? And the Galaxy Notes
[10:19] <charl> it turns out i can get unlimited 3g for 15 euro per month on a sim only deal
[10:19] <Vince-0> yoh
[10:20] <charl> so i want to get a phone that i can tether with
[10:20] <charl> and that eats battery like you won't believe
[10:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:20] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:20] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[10:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:21] <charl> 50 mins and 50 sms with unlimited data will cost me total 17 euro so that's pretty fair i think
[10:21] <charl> i won't mind running cyanogenmod or ubuntu mobile on it either
[10:22] <charl> so that it doesn't turn into an android-based nsa spying device for example
[10:22] <charl> i'm scared of some of these deals because it turns out the mobile carrier can "push" an application onto your phone without it knowing
[10:23] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <charl> i wanna run chatsecure and xmpp with my own server running on prosody for IM in any case
[10:23] <charl> there was a case somewhere in NL where a guy made a bomb joke on whatsapp and the next moment the police came knocking on his door
[10:24] <charl> was all over the news - comes to show how secure whatsapp is
[10:24] <charl> this terrorism has been used as an excuse now to take away about all of our remaining freedom
[10:32] <Vince-0> jeepers
[10:32] <Vince-0> whatsapp is the devil
[10:33] <charl> indeed
[10:36] <charl> here's the original article: http://nieuws.thepostonline.nl/2013/10/09/privacy-2013-politie-aan-de-deur-na-whatsapp-bericht/ (in dutch)
[10:37] <charl> but now that i google it again i found this: http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/10/10/politiebezoek-na-mondelinge-tip-niet-door-whatsapp-bericht-over-bom/
[10:37] <charl> which basically says that they received a tip from someone else and that they are not listening in on whatsapp
[10:37] <charl> so it might have been an overhyped misunderstanding after what happened the past summer with the nsa
[10:54] <Kilos> ty magespawn its taking xubuntu 12.04
[10:55] <Kilos> then i spose i can unify it later
[11:23] <magespawn> is unity needed Kilos ?
[11:24] <Kilos> lol not really
[11:24] <Kilos> only thats what peeps gonn get after using the book/stick
[11:25] <Kilos> all explanations must change, and i dont like xubuntu much
[11:25] <Kilos> needs to be something im comfortable with
[11:27] <magespawn> ah i see
[11:27] <magespawn> thought maybe there was a program that required unity
[11:30] <Kilos> na
[11:32] <Kilos> could even have used 10.10
[11:32] <Kilos> maybe
[11:40] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[11:41] <Private_User> hey Kilos hows it going?
[11:41] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[11:42] <Private_User> not to bad hey
[11:44] <Private_User> except I am finding now that sometimes when I start up my Lubuntu desktop I get an internal error message
[11:44] <Private_User> now I am trying to figure out how to copy this error
[11:45] <Kilos> what does it say
[11:45] <Kilos> lol
[11:45] <Kilos> same one?
[11:45] <charl> i have a question
[11:45] <charl> secure imap server - which one?
[11:46] <Kilos> if you are online it should give the option to report it
[11:46] <charl> if i get an android phone it would be nice to be able to check my mail (but leave all my mail on my server)
[11:46] <Private_User> yep same error as the last time
[11:46] <charl> i usually read my mail by ssh'ing into the server and reading the mail locally with mutt
[11:46] <charl> but it looks like i might need to install an imaps server after all
[11:46] <Kilos> dont android do pop
[11:47] <charl> i used a server called dovecot almost 10 years ago but it turned out to be somewhat insecure and not too well tested
[11:47] <charl> i definitely don't want to use pop because that downloads and stores the mail on the android device
[11:47] <charl> i want to use imap so that all the mail is kept on the server
[11:47] <charl> even though i can delete individual messages, say
[11:48] <Kilos> i use pop with evolution and all mails stay at gmail
[11:48] <charl> i'm actually not too happy about running *yet* another daemon
[11:48] <Private_User> yeah I clicked report it and it came up with another window which states The application Report a problem... has closed unexpectedly.
[11:48] <charl> i would much rather stick to something that can run across ssh
[11:48] <Kilos> Private_User, read that report and see what it says the error is or what it involves
[11:48] <charl> Kilos: there is an option for that, but does it also work with mail organised into different folders ?
[11:49] <Kilos> i dunno charl all my mails stay at gmail
[11:49] <Kilos> havent tried more folders
[11:50] <charl> pop is not too flexible
[11:50] <charl> it was good for what it was designed for
[11:50] <Kilos> charl,  how does one copy an error report
[11:50] <charl> i could even try to install a web interface but then security is once again a concern
[11:50] <Kilos> highlight copy dont work
[11:50] <charl> and i would need something that works well on a mobile device
[11:50] <charl> error report? what type of error report?
[11:51] <charl> yeah some dialogs don't allow you to copy the text inside
[11:51] <Kilos> you know man you musta seen it at sometime
[11:51] <charl> in that case, just make a screenshot
[11:51] <Kilos> the report a bug thingie
[11:51] <charl> oh the ubuntu error report dialog? no idea i always just close it without thinking twice
[11:51] <Kilos> lol
[11:51] <charl> but just make a screenshot ?
[11:52] <Kilos> Private_User, do that
[11:52] <Kilos> make it large though
[11:52] <Kilos> my one eye is blind and the other also doesnt see
[11:52] <Kilos> hehe
[11:52] <Private_User> ok I am trying that now
[11:52] <charl> lol
[11:56] <Private_User> does printscreen button not create a screeshot?
[11:57] <Kilos> no somewhere there is a screenshot goodie
[11:58] <Kilos> Maaz, google where is screenshot in lubuntu
[11:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "Taking screenshots in Lubuntu (11.10) - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/184618/taking-screenshots-in-lubuntu-11-10 :: "Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Officially Released ..." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-10-Saucy-Salamander-Officially-Released-Screenshot-Tour-392208.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.04 Screenshot Tour - Softpedia News"
[11:58] <Maaz> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lubuntu-13-04-Screenshot-Tour-348566.shtml :: "Lubuntu 13.10 Beta …
[11:58] <Kilos> Private_User, one of those links will tell you how to do it
[11:59] <Private_User> thanks Kilos 
[11:59] <Kilos> np
[12:05] <Kilos> if the error report crashes apport isnt happy hey charl ?
[12:06] <charl> what is apport?
[12:06] <Kilos> the thing that reports probs
[12:06] <Kilos> i think
[12:06] <charl> reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[12:07] <charl> yeah that sounds about right
[12:07] <charl> what apport crashed? so the error reporting itself created an error?
[12:07] <charl> that is almost ironical
[12:07] <charl> debugging applications and sending bug reports not containing any "confidential" information of the user can be tricky
[12:08] <Kilos> no man it crashed trying to report an error
[12:08] <charl> if you have a java exception for example you can simply take the whole stack trace etc or whatever comes out of stderr
[12:08] <charl> whahahahha !
[12:08] <charl> that is ironical indeed
[12:08] <charl> sorry i don't have any experience with apport
[12:08] <charl> fortunately i don't use "standard" ubuntu so i don't get it crashing all over me all the time
[12:09] <charl> when i used to use gnome3 and the first couple of versions of kde4 i got so many crashes that i just started ignoring them
[12:09] <Kilos> most likely the error is in the init stuff and has been removed but the link is still there
[12:09] <charl> but those two were super unstable in the early years
[12:09] <charl> hmmm quite possibly, if you know which init script it is you can remove it manually
[12:09] <charl> or simply stop it from executing by removing the x flag
[12:10] <Kilos> thats why i wanna see the error report
[12:10] <Kilos> gives info on what the error is
[12:10] <charl> we used to use update-rc.d but i don't know if that is still the case in the latest ubuntu
[12:10] <charl> if it's in the init scripts it should also stand in the syslog
[12:10] <charl> i think?
[12:11] <charl> i would say grep the syslog for a start
[12:11] <Kilos> i dont know enough
[12:11] <charl> hold on a second..you are seeing a complete nondescrip error message?
[12:12] <charl> that's terrible ubuntu for you
[12:12] <charl> was exactly the opposite of what linux was designed to be - open and transparent
[12:13] <Kilos> it might be looking for something that was removed not purged
[12:16] <Kilos> as in .conf still there
[12:20] <Private_User> now my screen just went off while trying to do a screen sot of the error report
[12:20] <Private_User> *shot
[12:22] <Private_User> looks like I am gonna have to wait until that error appears again cause now there is no response when moving the mouse or pressing any key on the keyboard
[12:22] <Private_User> screen is stil off
[12:23] <Private_User> ok seems like the reset button has to do
[12:24] <Private_User> lol I pressed the reset buttong and it switched the compuetr off
[12:26] <Kilos> eish
[12:26] <Private_User> and no error on startup this time
[12:27] <Kilos> do sudo touch /forcefsck
[12:27] <Private_User> ok spoke to soon error has poped up
[12:27] <Kilos> then next time you reboot it will do a filesystem check
[12:27] <Kilos> ok try screenshot it
[12:28] <Kilos> something is unhappy there
[12:28] <Private_User> actually there are 2 errors
[12:28] <Private_User> I clicked show details it is thinking
[12:28] <Kilos> lol
[12:29] <Kilos> storming here if i disappear power has died
[12:30] <Private_User> ok
[12:30] <charl> sorry back
[12:30] <charl> if the config is still there it shouldn't matter
[12:30] <charl> it's just there in case you reinstall it
[12:30] <charl> if you customised the configuration for example, that you don't lose your customisations accidentally
[12:31] <Private_User> now its not reponding to any of my mouse commands
[12:31] <Private_User> or keyboard
[12:31] <Kilos> ai!
[12:31] <Private_User> cannot even do the screenshot
[12:31] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall apport
[12:32] <Kilos> oh my
[12:32] <Kilos> can you not open a terminal even
[12:32] <Private_User> had to do a hard reset now
[12:32] <Private_User> nope not even terminal none of the keyboard commands were doing anything
[12:33] <Kilos> kill button
[12:33] <Kilos> short one to start with
[12:33] <Kilos> if it dont say shutting down do a long one
[12:36] <Private_User> trying to re-install apport
[12:36] <Private_User> how long would it take cause on the terminal screen the last line reads "apport stop/waiting"
[12:37] <Private_User> and it does not seem to be doing much
[12:37] <Kilos> hows the internet connection
[12:37] <Private_User> ok my mistake its frozen
[12:37] <Kilos> eish
[12:37] <Private_User> no mouse or keyboard response
[12:38] <Kilos> did you do sudo touch /forcefsck
[12:38] <Private_User> yep but did not restart
[12:38] <Kilos> or do recovery on booting
[12:38] <Kilos> something is corrupt
[12:46] <Private_User> ok now did a filesystem check and then enable networking and clicked repair broken packages just in case and it seems to be doing alot
[12:46] <Private_User> but now I am wondering if I should have waited for Nite Surfer time
[12:56] <Private_User> ok now its seems to be stuck doing nothing, its at the point where it says "Get:13 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main openjdk-6-jdk i386 6b27-1.12.6-1ubuntu0.12.04.4 [11,2 MB]" "Fetched 83,3 MB in 3min 22s (412 kB/s)"
[12:57] <Private_User> should I reboot or wait?
[12:57] <Private_User> the screen is even going off as when the machine is doing absolutely nothing
[13:04] <Kilos> is it hanging
[13:05] <Kilos> nice fast connection you have
[13:05] <Private_User> I restarted it in recovery mode again and re-ran the repair broken packages that seem to have completed
[13:07] <Kilos> ok then carry on doing things
[13:07] <Kilos> it will tell you if reboot needed
[13:08] <Private_User> but I rebooted and it hung had to perform a hard reset
[13:08] <Private_User> I have been doing many for that today
[13:08] <Kilos> eish
[13:08] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall upstart
[13:08] <Private_User> wondering if my actual hdd is fine
[13:08] <Kilos> ah thats also old
[13:09] <Kilos> what size is it
[13:09] <Private_User> 80GB
[13:10] <Kilos> if it was big you could install again alongside
[13:10] <Kilos> actually i got a bad blocks command somewhere that checks
[13:11] <Kilos> but i think you gotta run it from another drive or the cd
[13:12] <Private_User> ok I now got the internal error again
[13:13] <Kilos> try the screenshot
[13:13] <Kilos> http://ubuntuportal.com/2013/02/easy-way-to-checking-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors-and-errors-in-ubuntu.html
[13:13] <Kilos> and see what that link says
[13:15] <Kilos> old drives can be gray hairs
[13:17] <Private_User> now everything I open and i try to do something its crashing or just closing
[13:18] <Private_User> now I am actually starting to get a little pissed of with this machine, feel like kicking it and throwing it out the window
[13:19] <Private_User> let me try this bad block thingie and see what it says
[13:19] <Private_User> had to hard reset again
[13:22] <Private_User> now running the bad blocks so lets see what happens
[13:22] <Private_User> think maybe its time for me to take a break while its running
[13:22] <Private_User> brb
[15:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:52] <Private_User> 0 bad blocks
[15:53] <Kilos> great
[15:53] <Kilos> wow that looks wrong
[15:54] <Kilos> Maaz, spell great
[15:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Looks good to me
[15:54] <Kilos> ok then Private_User we gotta find whats causing the prob
[15:55] <Kilos> maybe bad install but should be fixable
[15:55] <Kilos> i wish the clever okes were here to guide us
[15:56] <Kilos> is it still hanging and messing around?
[15:56] <Kilos> dont forget with min ram there will be lotsa thinking times
[15:57] <Kilos> have you done a memory test?
[16:01] <magespawn>  home time for me later all
[16:01] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[18:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[23:31] <Private_User> I wondering if anybody else in here have trouble sleeping like I do?
[23:32] <Private_User> currently running updates on my lubuntu installation but this time I clicked all options so nows it actually is doing more than just stating that it is up to date
[23:42] <Private_User> guys is there a log file of all errors encountered in ubuntu and where can I find it or is reset everytime I reboot?