[01:13] <pleia2> aww, sabdfl sends his love to the flavors in his uds keynote
[01:14]  * pleia2 is about 4 days behind
[01:14] <Unit193> Still ahead of me.
[11:20] <brainwash> ali1234: amazing job so far, great comments and helpful links. so it looks like there will be a solution pretty "soon"
[11:23] <brainwash> ali1234: so which branches/code needs to be tested now (lightdm-gtk-greeter and xfwm4)? links please :)
[12:12] <elfy> knome: ty - I see the xubuntu.org got updated
[12:16] <knome> np
[12:17] <elfy> I see you warned slicky I was looking for him too :p
[12:23] <knome> mhm, fair enough ;)
[12:25] <elfy> he he he 
[13:24] <jjfrv8> knome, you were looking for me?
[13:57] <ali1234> brainwash: i'm just working on the greeter code to fix that up. for now you can test https://github.com/ali1234/xfwm4/tree/zoom2
[13:58] <ali1234> this doesn't look as bad as it did last night
[14:00] <ali1234> greeter should be using XROOTPMAP_ID and ESETROOT_PMAP_ID, then it's resources can get cleared properly
[14:01] <ali1234> the xfwm4 code looks fine - it doesn't ever set the background, so really it only needs to look at XROOTPMAP_ID, which is same in both standards
[14:17] <jjfrv8> bblte
[15:17] <ali1234> hahaha...
[15:18] <ali1234> so the ugly code in lightdm-gtk-greeter was lifted straight from gnome... the fixes made in mate are exactly the same ones we need
[15:18] <bluesabre> the greeter or xfwm?
[15:21] <ali1234> greeter
[15:22] <ali1234> https://github.com/jasmineaura/mate-desktop/blob/2876f1eba73c126cfc6017856345e7eebe6d8d61/libmate-desktop/mate-bg.c#L1116
[15:22] <ali1234> code looks familiar...
[15:23] <bluesabre> a bit! :)
[15:24] <ali1234> i wish people would document when they copy & paste code
[15:24] <ali1234> it would make fixing it so much easier
[15:26] <bluesabre> true
[15:26] <bluesabre> I think I'll start doing that in the future :D
[15:46] <ali1234> heh... even this fixed code appears to have bugs
[15:46] <ali1234> eg it frees the old background before setting the new one, causing some ugly corruption
[16:11] <ali1234> hmm that's interesting... the greeter actually restarts each time you change user selection
[16:20] <ali1234> oh dear
[16:20] <ali1234> this "fixed" code actually doesn't work at all
[16:20] <ali1234> it doesn't ever create the atoms, so they never exist, so the code does nothing
[16:21] <ali1234> oh well, i fixed it
[16:43] <ali1234> heh, this bug was already fixed in mate :)
[16:43] <brainwash> ali1234: you should consider becoming a member of the lightdm gtk greeter team
[16:44] <ali1234> i thought you added me :)
[16:45] <brainwash> unofficially :D
[16:54] <ali1234> i just realised something: xfwm does not memcpy the pixmap, it memcpys the pixmap's ID
[16:54] <ali1234> so that can go invalid later one
[18:19] <ali1234> hmm. greeter is still leaking memory
[18:19] <ali1234> but the good news is it no longer leaks X client connections
[18:32] <ali1234> cool... 2000 background changes, memory use did not increase :)
[20:09] <arielsanflo> hello
[20:10] <TheMaster> Howdy.
[20:11] <arielsanflo> i am from colombia
[20:11] <arielsanflo> my english is so so
[20:56] <andrzejr> hi, it seems that xubuntu 13.10 is still using xfce4-indicator-plugin 0.5, any reason you can't upgrade to 1.0?
[20:57] <andrzejr> 1.0 has e.g. gui for black/white-listing indicators, people are asking me how to do it since 13.10 has been released.
[20:58] <skellat> andrzejr: Will it require bringing GTK3 in?
[21:00] <Noskcaj> IIRC 1.0 was the last gtk2 release, and is what debian has
[21:01] <Noskcaj> No one got around to fixing the xubuntu patch, so we never got it
[21:01] <TheMaster> I thought the idea was to get it in backports, but Mica kept being busy at work.
[21:03] <Noskcaj> something like that (i thought 2.1 was for backports though). 
[21:03] <Noskcaj> We need a way to get micah or lionel to stop having lives and do more xubuntu stuff. 
[21:05] <andrzejr> skellat, no, 1.x branch is reserved for gtk2 versions.
[21:06] <andrzejr> I know there is a long term plan of switching to 2.x (gtk3) but this is progressing slowly, and meanwhile gtk2 users are left behind.
[21:06] <skellat> Right now we don't have 1.0 in the Ubuntu archive
[21:06] <skellat> So we need to get that in for Trusty and then it can be backported
[21:07] <andrzejr> Ah, I though you tried 1.0 and found issues with it.
[21:09] <skellat> I just don't see any action on our end since May 2013 comparing the two changelogs.  We've got Ubuntu deltas to the Debian package.  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xfce4-indicator-plugin/xfce4-indicator-plugin_0.5.0-2ubuntu2/changelog
[21:26] <andrzejr> skellat, do you think that could be done anytime soon?
[22:28] <ali1234> right. lightdm-gtk-greeter is finally not leaking at all, anything, ever : https://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/lightdm-gtk-greeter/experimental
[22:28] <ali1234> the next question is how to make xfwm4 and xfdesktop cooperate with this
[22:57] <ochosi> ali1234: you actually were already added to the lightdm-gtk-greeter team, so feel free to push to a branch there
[22:58] <ali1234> i don't really know how to be honest
[22:58] <arielsanflo> hello
[22:58] <arielsanflo> i am from colombia 
[22:58] <arielsanflo> no speack english
[22:58] <arielsanflo> help 
[22:58] <Noskcaj> hey arielsanflo 
[22:58] <arielsanflo> software center
[22:59] <arielsanflo> no funciona
[22:59] <arielsanflo> en ubuntu 14.04
[22:59] <Noskcaj> arielsanflo, you want #ubuntu
[22:59] <ochosi> ali1234: you can go to the branch bluesabre created on the lp-website and it should tell you an example bzr push line
[22:59] <drc> !es
[22:59] <arielsanflo> yes 
[22:59] <ochosi> ali1234: sry, am on an ipad here, so cant really help more...
[22:59] <arielsanflo> de haya me mandaron aca
[23:01] <drc> ping GridCube 
[23:04] <ali1234> ochosi: so i just push to ~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team insetad ~a-j-buxton?
[23:08] <drc> arielsanflo: For technical support for xubuntu join #xubuntu, for 14.04 support, #ubuntu+1.  Both channels, however, are primarily in English
[23:08] <arielsanflo> drc thanks
[23:09] <ali1234> if you are trying to install commercial stuff, you probably won't find it in the software center in development releases (ie 14.04)
[23:14] <arielsanflo> and I have this error when you upgrade
[23:14] <arielsanflo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6466158/
[23:27] <GridCube> drc, pong
[23:30] <drc> GridCube: I think arielsanflo needs some direction (in Spanish) on where to get support (apparently his/her English is not good enough to understand what was told).  Care to help him/her ?
[23:31] <GridCube> oh, right
[23:32] <GridCube> arielsanflo, hola como estás, que problema parece que tenes?
[23:39] <arielsanflo> gridcube
[23:39] <arielsanflo> gracias
[23:40] <arielsanflo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6466158/
[23:40] <arielsanflo> al hacer sudo apt-get update
[23:43] <GridCube> arielsanflo, http://askubuntu.com/questions/120621/how-to-fix-duplicate-sources-list-entry
[23:47] <knome> GridCube, this ain't a support channel though.
[23:48] <GridCube> knome, he is in trusty tho
[23:48] <GridCube> but you are right
[23:48] <knome> nonetheless... ultimately, i don't expect anything in trusty to be very trusty yet :P
[23:49] <knome> jjfrv8, hey... you happen to be around now? :)
[23:58] <jjfrv8> knome, yes, just got back. What's up?
[23:58] <arielsanflo> muachas gracias por la ayuda
[23:59] <knome> jjfrv8, wondered if you'd be up for looking over the doc blueprint
[23:59] <jjfrv8> you mean together?
[23:59] <knome> yep :)
[23:59] <jjfrv8> ok