[04:09] <zestyFT> what's up, peeps?
[04:10] <tbird> hi
[04:10] <zestyFT> so, what's a better choice 13.10 or 12.04
[04:10] <zestyFT> I'm re-doing this PC for my dad
[04:11] <zestyFT> it will be in the garage, and mostly used for web surfing and maybe some music and cd burning
[04:12] <holstein> they are different.. 12.04 is the lts, 13.10 is the latest
[04:12] <holstein> zestyFT: try them both live
[04:12] <zestyFT> yea, I want to minimize the shock of linux on my dad
[04:13] <holstein> zestyFT: neither will do that.. you will do that
[04:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> If your dad is a noob windows user, I wish you the best of luck. :)
[04:16] <zestyFT> no, he is pretty good, just leary
[04:17] <David-A> zestyFT: some old people don't like changes. LTS minimize that, for some time.
[04:18] <holstein> the LTS is supported longer.. so you can run it longer within the support contract
[04:18] <zestyFT> yea, how much longer is the current LTS good for?
[04:18] <zestyFT> 04/2014?
[04:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> No, That's WinXP
[04:21] <zestyFT> yea, that is the main reason I'm starting this excersize
[04:21] <holstein> !12.04
[04:21] <David-A> zestyFT: according to wikipedia, 12.04 LTS until april 2015
[04:22] <zestyFT> ah, thanks david-a
[04:52] <bingo> hello. Is there Antivirus software for xubuntu?
[04:52] <holstein> !av
[04:53] <holstein> bingo: ^
[04:53] <bingo> but what about like java script and stuff?
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: one thing that helps is the user permissions. not running as root or admin
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: did you just start using xubuntu?
[04:54] <bingo> yes. How can i know if i am running as root or admin
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: you are not.. if you are using stock xubuntu
[04:54] <bingo> ok
[04:54] <holstein> !sudo
[04:55] <bingo> yes i have to put in password when i sudo
[04:55] <bingo> ty
[04:55] <bingo> anything cool i can install for xubuntu as far as how it looks?
[04:55] <holstein> bingo: sure.. xubuntu is ubuntu with XFCE.. you can look into themeing xfce
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: are you coming from windows?
[04:56] <bingo> yes
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: think of how long you used windows *just* like it came out of the box, without changing anything.. try and be patient and take your time
[04:56] <bingo> i alright
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: consider playing around with the look and feel on the live CD, or create another user account to test.. or use the guest account
[04:57] <bingo> where can i look into theming xfce
[04:58] <holstein> bingo: i usually just seach specifically for what i want.. "xfce change panel layout".. "xfce icon theme dark". etc
[04:58] <bingo> ty
[04:58] <holstein> bingo: you can, from one of the arguably more safe areas i mentioned (live CD, guest account, test user) poke around in the menus and see what does what
[05:00] <bingo> yes i see it comes with many built in, mostly seems to change the windows color and icons
[05:02] <David-A> bingo: first see what is in the default, settings>appearance>style, settings>windowmanager>style and advanced, then look for extra xfce themes in the software center, and if that is not enough, on the site xfce-look.org
[05:02] <bingo> ty
[05:03] <David-A> bingo: you can also kind of style things with conky and screenlets, both in software center
[05:04] <bingo> ty
[05:04] <David-A> bingo: oh i forgot, settings>windowmanagertweaks>compositor
[05:05] <David-A> bingo: they say you can install compiz with xfce, but i don't know how complicated that is. if you want rotating cube and those things.
[05:05] <bingo> cant find settings>windowmanger>style or settings>windowmanagertweaks>compositor
[05:05] <bingo> i found appearance and styles
[05:06] <bingo> oh i found them
[05:45] <kingbeowolf> I want to overclock my monitor refresh rate
[05:45] <kingbeowolf> whats the best way to do this in xubuntu
[05:46] <kingbeowolf> xrandr?
[10:55] <cer> hi everybody! Do you know of a microblogging client that allows you to post at the same time on different social network websites? In particular, I need google+ and twitter.
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> cer:  the nsa has enough to read atm
[11:22] <cer> well_laid_lawn: :D:D:D:D
[11:23] <cer> well_laid_lawn: I wanted to make sure they did not get out of a job, I am working hard against unemployment rates
[11:23] <cer> well_laid_lawn: you know I need to post my fair sahere of cats, pictures of the fmaily and so on ....
[11:24] <cer> well_laid_lawn: in reality, it is because we have adopted google+ and twitter at work, but it si a disaster to have to repost everything twice, it is very time consuming
[11:31] <TheSheep> hmm, evince doesn show the "file view etc." menu for me
[11:33] <well_laid_lawn> keyboard shortcut doesn't bring it up ?
[11:34] <TheSheep> I tried ^M but no
[11:34] <TheSheep> what other shortcuts should i try?
[11:35] <TheSheep> hmm, it seems it only disappears on some documents :/
[11:37] <well_laid_lawn> might be time to try another pdf reader
[11:39] <TheSheep> I'd rather fix the xubuntu's default, thank you
[11:39] <well_laid_lawn> k :)
[11:54] <TheSheep> hmm, seems like switching to fullscreen and back brings the menu back, strange
[11:55] <knome> TheSheep, 13.10?
[11:55] <TheSheep> yeah
[11:55] <TheSheep> it only happens with some pdf files
[11:55] <knome> TheSheep, yep, the evince version in 13.10 is *weird*...
[11:56] <TheSheep> I wish they stopped fiddling with the user interface and instead added support for more formats, like epub, for example
[11:56]  * knome shrugs
[11:56] <TheSheep> but no, gnome
[11:56] <TheSheep> anyways, thanks
[11:56] <knome> well yeah, not much i can do here about evince...
[11:57] <knome> if you can put up a bug report though with possibly a pedf attached that has the problem... maybe we can get somebody to look at it or sth
[11:57] <knome> s/pedf/pdf/
[11:58] <TheSheep> they removed the 'report bug' from the menu...
[11:58] <knome> heh.
[11:58] <knome> ubuntu-bug evince
[11:58] <TheSheep> I know, I know, I can use launhcpad
[11:58] <knome> :]
[11:59] <TheSheep> Bugs are tracked in GNOME Bug Tracker.
[11:59] <TheSheep> marvelous
[11:59] <knome> heh.
[12:00] <knome> ultimately you can always report against the evince package in ubuntu
[12:00] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince
[12:00] <TheSheep> will do, thanks
[12:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Since I use chrome, I usually pull evince off the system, altogether.
[12:11] <TheSheep> Poisoned_Dragon: what has one to do with the other?
[12:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Google Chrome has a built in pdf reader now.
[12:12] <xubuntu354> xubuntu and all linux world is beautiful
[12:12] <xubuntu354> i love it
[12:13] <TheSheep> Poisoned_Dragon: evince is not just a readef for pdfs, it supports many more formats
[12:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Meh... Never needed it for more than pdfs
[12:14] <TheSheep> good for you :)
[12:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not like I use Djvu
[12:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Also, some of the format support relies on lib backends. I could probably use something other than evince.
[12:17] <well_laid_lawn> I use zathura
[12:50] <enrico_> Ciao a tutti, come faccio ad aumentare la luminosità massima del netbook? Su risparmio energetico non è settato niente che la abbassi, i pulsianti per regolare la luminosità funzionano ma quella massima è decisamente troppo bassa.
[12:51] <cfhowlett> !it|enrico_,
[12:52] <enrico_> Sorry, how do I increase the max brightness on my netbook? Energy saving settings are not the problem and brightness regulation with button works, but the max level is way too low
[12:53] <Myrtti> how old is your netbook?
[12:53] <enrico_> 2010
[12:53] <enrico_> eeepc t101mt
[12:57] <Myrtti> my laptop leds just dimmed the older it got, so it's also a possibility that they're going.
[12:58] <enrico_> It seems to be a common issue
[12:59] <enrico_> I've found a guide in italian that says to do "sudo edit /etc/rc.local"  and add a string
[12:59] <enrico_> but it says I don't have permission even if I type the right password
[13:00] <cfhowlett> enrico_, you have to be using the the sudo account ...
[13:00] <enrico_> sudo su?
[13:01] <enrico_> I'm a newbie, sorry for the silly question
[13:01] <bekks> enrico_: sudo su isnt necessary, since there is sudo -i
[13:01] <cfhowlett> enrico_, no apologies
[13:01] <cfhowlett> needed
[13:02] <enrico_> so
[13:02] <enrico_> sudo -i edit /etc/rc.local
[13:02] <enrico_> right?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> enrico_, gedit not edit
[13:04] <enrico_> I thought that was a typo, with gedit I get: -bash: gedit: command not found (in italian)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> enrico_, what is your editor?
[13:04] <enrico_> terminal
[13:05] <Myrtti> mousepad or leafpad or nano
[13:05] <cfhowlett> ^^^
[13:05] <enrico_> errr...
[13:05] <cfhowlett> should be nano
[13:05] <enrico_> where do I see that?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> do the command.  instead of edit use nano
[13:07] <enrico_> it works!
[13:07] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:08] <enrico_> ok, I've added the string
[13:09] <enrico_> ^0=save
[13:09] <enrico_> ?
[13:09] <enrico_> how do I do that
[13:09] <enrico_> or maybe that's an O
[13:10] <enrico_> definetly an O
[13:10] <TheSheep> ^ means ctrl
[13:10] <enrico_> Ok, that should be it
[13:10] <enrico_> I'll reboot and see if it works
[13:10] <enrico_> thanks a lot
[13:10] <enrico_> :)
[13:11] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[14:53] <xubuntu589> hi, I would like install xubuntu 13.10 on Dell C840 without USB,DVD...any clue?
[16:45] <amjjawad> Hi, need some help here for Xubuntu 12.04.3
[16:45] <holstein> amjjawad: ask, and we'll see if a volunteer has any direction for you
[16:45] <amjjawad> holstein: hi :)
[16:46] <amjjawad> I am giving an online support to someone who has Xubuntu 12.04 - chatting with him now - and chatting here
[16:46] <amjjawad> his Xubuntu 12.04.3 is fresh new installed
[16:46] <amjjawad> when he turn on his machine, he is stuck on the splash screen!!
[16:47] <jgmdev> which video card he has?
[16:47] <amjjawad> ahh, I need to ask ... I am the one who installed Xubuntu for him and when the machine was with me, it was perfect
[16:47] <amjjawad> I guess it was Radeon
[16:47] <holstein> !ati | amjjawad
[16:48] <jgmdev> did you installed catalyst?
[16:48] <holstein> !nomodeset | amjjawad
[16:48] <holstein> ^ thats how i try and get to a live desktop before installing
[16:48] <amjjawad> again, when the machine was with me at home, it worked perfectly
[16:48] <jgmdev> did you installed catalyst from amd site?
[16:49] <amjjawad> no
[16:49] <jgmdev> usually kernel upgrades mess up
[16:49] <amjjawad> because the machine worked :)
[16:49] <amjjawad> I hadn't do anything further
[16:49] <holstein> amjjawad: you installed for a friend? and the machine stopped working? could be the hardware in any capacity is failing.. or, an update (a kernel update for example) has broken something.. you could ask the user to boot an ealier kernel
[16:49] <holstein> ^^ as jgmdev is suggesting as well
[16:51] <amjjawad> I am sorry, I just checked and it is: Thinkpad T400 (I'm dying to have one of those Thinkpads - these are rock solid) with Centrino 2  @2.53GHz with 3GB RAM - Intel Graphics - Wireless driver = iwlwifi - the father (my neighbour) is going to use this one
[16:51] <amjjawad> just copied it from the email I sent to Xubuntu mailing list
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: *all* hardwar can fail
[16:52] <amjjawad> but
[16:52] <amjjawad> I am on the tty1
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: could be the hard drive or memory failing. have the user boot a live CD
[16:52] <amjjawad> and it gives us: E:unmet dependancies, try using -f after trying to run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: are you in front of the machine? if so, boot a live CD and take the current installed OS out of the equation
[16:53] <holstein> amjjawad: could be you, or the 'friend' added unsupported sources
[16:53] <amjjawad> of course now, I am at my home and he is at his home :D I am helping him via Facebook
[16:53] <amjjawad> He has no experience with Linux, I doubt he did something :/
[16:54] <jgmdev> tell him to boot in rescue mode
[16:54] <jgmdev> then drop to root shell
[16:55] <jgmdev> and remount the main partition in write mode
[16:55] <holstein> amjjawad: something has caused unmet dependancies.. that could be breaking something, or be a symptom of a larger issue
[16:55] <amjjawad> "Nope, downloaded some stuff from torrents yesterday, checked quality then shut down" <<< what he sid
[16:55] <amjjawad> said*
[16:56] <amjjawad> "Downloaded dropbox, didnt ibstall, tried itunes and failed" << from him
[16:57] <holstein> amjjawad: fact: you see an error about packages.. the user has the sudo password. the user is new
[16:58] <amjjawad> but remember, he doesn't even know how to use the Terminal :)
[16:58] <holstein> amjjawad: you are assuming one would need access to a terminal to break an install... if he has the sudo password, that is enough
[16:59] <amjjawad> Ok
[16:59] <holstein> amjjawad: if it were me (as i do, professionally for any machine i work on) i would test the hardware if only briefly.. i would load a live CD to test with the current hard drive and OS configuration out of the equation. i would then test with a different user, and/or address the broken package issue
[17:01] <amjjawad> funny enough that I installed Lubuntu 13.10 to a woman (my neighbour too) and for a month now, she has never ever asked me a Q
[17:02] <holstein> amjjawad: i usually lock them down.. if im going to frequent the users machine personally, i make them a non-sudo user, and i have a sudo account that they dont have a password for.. or, i just make an image before handing it over
[17:02] <holstein> planning for failure is a good option, no matter what level the user is at..
[17:02] <amjjawad> what if they want to install something?
[17:03] <holstein> amjjawad: they ask me, and i do it properly, instead of "hey, i tried to download dropbox and a few torrents and the machine wont boot"
[17:04] <jgmdev> wow, not giving them permission to install application is too much xD
[17:04] <elfy> not from where I sit it isn't :)
[17:05] <holstein> if they want it, and ask, i'll give it.. but, its a way of promising them uptime.. i cant guarantee they wont break the system otherwise.. not in the beginning.. it requires education and time
[17:09] <amjjawad> black screen
[17:09] <amjjawad> I asked him to bring it to me better
[17:09] <amjjawad> I have a headache and can't really do much now so better to see the machine and play with it
[17:10] <jgmdev> yah just boot in rescude mode, drop to root shell and do whatever is needed
[17:20] <xubuntu964> hi, there
[17:23] <amjjawad> thank you guys, might need some help later
[17:23] <amjjawad> must go and have some rest, can't take the headache anymore ... cya and thanks :)
[18:22] <pmt_> problems with update of 13.10. My laptop without working screen all of a sudden did not use the external screen! Could not logon after restart. Anyone have a fix for this?
[20:44] <naquad> hi
[20:45] <naquad> i have an issue with Thunar & automounting: it doesn't work. udisksd is running, gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor is running too, dmesg says device was added and manual mounting works, but Thunar doesn't automount :( how do i troubleshoot?
[22:48] <teebrz> Anyone know how I can get emacs24 to respect my icon choices? Changing sets changes the icons for firefox etc, but emacs keeps it's crummy old one - the pack has an icon for emacs