apacheloggeryou know, I just realized.... we now have more todos for .04 than before :@00:41
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ScottKyofel: Look at the files in the binary.  I think they are not correct.01:13
ahoneybunhello all02:17
xnoxDoes phonon need a merge, or can it be synced?02:36
* valorie watches the Day of the Doctor again, this time with various extras (plus ads)02:37
valorienot much new in the notes02:39
valoriehopefully something happens in the wake of the Day of the Doctor02:39
manchickenOne more test done in libqapt. I'm going to add something, too, to SourcesList, I'm going to add a "containsEntry" which takes an entry and tests to see if it has one.03:43
manchickenCurrently the way you'd do that is you'd say sourcesListInstance.entries().contains(sourceEntryInstance), but the problem with that is that now that I've changed how we're storing the sources in memory this will not really be super efficient. It also doesn't seem like it makes a whole bunch of sense to me since you'd be trying to figure out whether or not the SourcesList contains an entry, not a list of entries belonging to the 03:46
manchickenSourcesList contains an entry.03:46
manchickenThe current way it works would still work, but with the new "containsEntry()" method I could allow the lookup to scope the lookup to a single file.03:48
manchickenAlso, then it would be more intuitive that you'd be operating on the SourcesList itself rather than a list of entries returned by the SourcesList.03:48
ahoneybunvalorie, no spoilers please waiting to see it on monday in 3D03:54
valorieoooo, jealous of the 3D04:04
manchickenNo doubt04:06
manchickenThat's something to be jealous of, too.04:06
manchickenI'm gonna go to bed, I've got a run04:07
lordievaderGood morning.07:26
apacheloggerI fell off the internetz, zomg09:35
valorieI think I'm totally od'd on doctor who09:57
valorieuntil tomorrow09:57
valoriebut in a good way09:58
apacheloggeragateau: more robust version http://paste.ubuntu.com/6467877/10:01
apacheloggervalorie: <310:01
valorieapachelogger: did you get a chance to watch all the extra stuff?10:01
valorieor was that BBC America10:02
valorie<3 to you too10:02
apacheloggernope, Riddell didn't let us10:02
valorieI'm sure you can get it *somehow*10:02
apacheloggersure, just not until I am home :P10:03
valoriethe doctors revisited stuff was cool, and was a great background for today's special10:03
ovidiu-florinHello world10:03
valoriethe rest of the stuff was sort of repeats of bits of those revisited things10:03
valorieI even got my husband to watch10:04
valoriebut now, goodnight10:04
valorieit's 2am....10:05
valorie{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}} to apachelogger10:05
* apachelogger rehuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs valorie10:05
valorieand all of our brave bug squashers10:05
valoriegood travels10:05
Riddellvalorie: what's extra on BBC America?10:16
yofeldid someone get to upload libkomparediff2?10:18
Riddellyofel: oh no sorry, will do10:19
yofelthanks :)10:20
Riddellupdated http://www.kubuntu.org/legal please proofread10:37
Riddelltsimpson: yo10:37
Riddelltsimpson: you want to do awesome website things or is that just jussi's wishful thinking10:38
tsimpsonRiddell: whatever I can do to help out10:39
Riddelltsimpson: currently it's on a slightly broken drupal setup on a canonical server10:41
Riddelltsimpson: we could setup an identical but less broken drupal 6 setup on the kubuntu server or some people say wordpress is nicer but that would be more work10:41
jussiYeah, I would like to see it on wordpress, it is easier to securely maintain IMHO10:43
jussibut really, its up to you  which you feel is easier to main (IMHO)10:43
jussimaintain even10:43
Riddellhttp://www.kubuntu.org/contact-us updated, how's this?10:44
ovidiu-florinshadeslayer: could you help me with my bluetooth now?10:44
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: once we're done with the discussions 10:45
tsimpsonRiddell, jussi: both are pains to maintain, so I'm fine either way10:52
yofelshadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-dev-utils/4:4.11.80-0ubuntu1/10:54
Riddelltsimpson: pain to maintain but wordpress is a big pain to migrate from drupal while staying with drupal is easy10:58
Riddellalso we already have a theme in drupal10:58
Riddellso from the point of view of making life easy I'd say drupal10:59
apacheloggerI say wordpress11:01
apacheloggerbetter in the long run IMO11:01
jussitrue that11:01
jussiDrupal 6 only has a limited life left, so we need ot change at some poitn11:01
ovidiu-florinI'll make a new theme for wordpress11:03
Riddellovidiu-florin: awesome11:03
jussiovidiu-florin: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12937711:05
apacheloggerMamarok: jussi says finnish chocolate is playing is the same league as swiss one11:09
apacheloggerjussi: MG just called finnish chocolate unedible11:10
Riddellfinnish chocolate is great as long as you like it tasting of liquorice11:14
Riddellvalorie: I added a link to kubuntu docs at kubuntu.org/support11:14
Riddellforums and mailing list sections updated kubuntu.org/community11:36
yofelScottK: I'm still not sure what you were talking about, unless you mean the designer plugins. Do we really need QtDesigner plugins at runtime?11:39
jussiwrong... just wrong...11:46
Riddellyofel: bug 49421411:47
ubottubug 494214 in Kubuntu Website "Kubuntu website is poorly designed in terms of navigation" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49421411:47
apacheloggerALERT ALERT11:47
apacheloggerALERT ALERT ALERT11:47
Riddellyofel: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade11:49
jussiovidiu-florin: please share the link for that migration script11:49
ovidiu-florinthis is a plugin for wordpress: http://wordpress.org/plugins/cms2cms-automated-drupal-to-wp-migration/11:51
ovidiu-florinthere is also an external tool11:52
ovidiu-florinthat does this, but that costs11:52
shadeslayerafiestas: if krandr and kscreen are run at the same time, will anything conflict?11:52
ovidiu-florinjussi: ^11:52
yofelScottK: so I reviewed shadeslayer's changes for .80 and there's at least no issue I see from OUR side. 95 at least fixes the designer plugins location to where they were before11:52
yofelScottK: am I missing something?11:53
apacheloggerallee: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-breaks11:53
Riddellvalorie: wow I just found this, quite a lot of something here, I wonder how accurate it is http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu:Saucy11:55
Riddellximion: you're issing out here in munich12:04
Riddelldr who was awesome12:04
lordievaderYes it was :D12:07
Riddellyofel: kubuntu.org/getkubuntu updated12:08
Riddelljussi: you weren't even there12:08
jussiactually, I have no idea, wasnt trhere12:08
apacheloggerRiddell: can ye please kick the fin12:08
Riddellno! I'm a pacifist!  (like Dr Who)12:08
jussipacifists always lose.... :P12:08
ximionRiddell: I've read your blogposts, at least :-)12:10
ximionlooks like you had fun ^^12:10
apacheloggerDCOP blog posts ftw12:10
jussiwe are *having* fun12:10
Riddellyou're required to pick a category and the dcop category just feels so lonely12:11
ximionah! I always wondered about that ^^12:11
apacheloggerfirefox recommends ubufox depends aptdaemon12:13
RiddellI reduced bugs on the kubuntu website by 50%!12:13
apacheloggerScottK: halp12:14
jussiRiddell: without apachelogger methods? o.O12:15
apacheloggerwhat are those12:16
jussi"your bug is invalid" :D12:16
apacheloggersbecause they are12:16
jussi(Riddell: well done though :) )12:16
ximionlots of sruff depends on aptdaemon, while it could easily depend on PackageKit ;-)12:16
* ximion is highly biased about that12:16
yofelI remembered yesterday why I passionately hate packagekit12:17
yofelhalf of the time when I was trying to run 'sudo apt-get update' the apt database was locked by packagekit12:17
apacheloggerplug install aint working12:19
ximionyofel: dbus-send --system --dest=org.freedesktop.PackageKit --type=method_call /org/freedesktop/PackageKit org.freedesktop.PackageKit.SuggestDaemonQuit12:20
yofelximion: and how do I tell it/apper to never automatically check for updates?12:21
ximionI'm planning to land a patch in apt-get/Synaptic which does automatically quit pk, and add one to Apt to display a better error message - but that will take time...12:22
ximionyofel: Apper KCM -> Settings -> Check for new updates -> Never12:23
soee4.11.95 is secodn or third beta ?12:24
soeereally this comments should be disabled: http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/12:27
soeeor atleast replace it with something like http://disqus.com/ to have more control over it ?12:29
shadeslayerno clue, I do not control that site12:30
soeei etered there from kde.org (banner links to begginers guide ) and what i see? comments like:12:31
soeeOn 2013-10-31 03:53 Markus Hafner wrote:12:31
shadeslayeryou don't have to post that here12:31
soeesorry 12:32
RiddellMamarok: still want business cards? details right on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-cards ?12:39
RiddellQuintasan: your phone number doesn't look right, +44 is the UK12:42
apacheloggerovidiu-florin, yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/ufw-kde-0.1.tar.xz12:45
ximioninteresting.... Just learned from Ubuntu's Python3 transition table that the Software Center will go away after 14.04... Unfortunately, Google doesn't find information on how it will be replaced12:48
Riddellvalorie: don't want a phone number on your card?12:50
Riddellximion: where's the transition table?12:50
Riddellmaybe it'll be replaced by muon discover12:50
ximionRiddell: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiT4gOXSkmapdGdFejk0MjFydUlNMDVoMXNRdGdkbFE#gid=112:52
ximionI forgot that Ubuntu will base on Qt later, so Muon Discover would make some sense...12:52
ximionhowever, it pulls in KDE dependencies, so I am not sure if that will happen...12:52
Riddellwith KF5 KDE dependencies is only a good thing13:00
Riddellovidiu-florin: allee https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-cards13:10
ovidiu-florinRiddell: done13:17
ryanakcaRiddell: Hurray for reducing website bugs :)13:21
shadeslayerdebfx: halp13:22
Riddellryanakca: I also took you off the contact, but feel free to come back to us at any time13:26
apachelogger"foo's API tries to be self-documented" == we cannot be bothered to explain what our software does13:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: what was your conclusion when you looked at GUI testing via accessibility13:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: too much effort13:32
shadeslayerwill take up quite a bit of time13:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: though it's still worth the effort, assuming we can take time off KF5 and write GUI tests13:33
ryanakcaRiddell: Great, thanks. I had suggested I be taken off a few months ago because I haven't been involved, but the response was that I could solve the problem just by coming back and becoming involved. Alas, when university takes up your every working hour... ;)13:34
apacheloggerI could have made that conclusion without having looked into it :P13:34
apacheloggeryou should become manager at nokia13:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: thoughts on what we can do?13:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: I asked the LiMux people on what they do13:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: they said they use http://testlink.org/ to write tests13:43
shadeslayerand they have over 4000 tests ....13:43
frank67Hi, everybody14:02
frank67I've a trouble with Kwin (I suppose)14:03
frank67It can't enable OpenGL composition on my PC while in Debian 7.2 all works fine14:04
apacheloggerupstreams says use debian.14:04
frank67BTW is it a known issue?14:05
frank67Sorry, I forget, I'm on Kubuntu 13.1014:06
Riddellfrank67: user support in #kubuntu14:06
BluesKaj'Morning folks14:12
shadeslayerafiestas: ping14:14
shadeslayerafiestas: any news on versioning the plugins in libkscreen? and is anyone else using libkscreen?14:15
shadeslayeror is anything else planning on using libkscreen14:15
soeeyofel, this 4.11.95 will be backported to saucy right ?14:16
shadeslayerdebfx: you need to sign my key14:23
yofelsoee: probably, we're mostly done and rc isn't for another 3 days14:24
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: http://xkcd.com/797/14:24
shadeslayeryofel: http://xkcd.com/306/14:25
yofelyeah, that one's good too :D14:25
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: ^^14:25
Riddelljussi, apachelogger: kde bug 32801215:04
ubottuKDE bug 328012 in activities "Default Activities gives a broken activity" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32801215:04
ximionRiddell: btw, do you have information about what would need to be done to make Kubuntu packages work on a Debian base?15:16
ximion(I've seen some discussion about working together on this with Debian, and of course at Tanglu we have a string interest in this too, especially because Kubuntu uses logind now :P)15:16
ximion(while "we" at Tanglu is mostly Debian and Kubuntu developer(s) anyway ^^)15:17
Riddellwe use logind?15:18
Riddellximion: our packages mostly are just the debian ones but sometimes we package them first15:19
Riddellrecompiling them is all it would need because there's no ABI stability guaranteed between debian and ubuntu15:19
ximionRiddell: what about stuff like translation from LP?15:21
ximionUbuntu is now running on logind (and old version, since upstart doesn't provide cgroup structures for the new one), and I see "logind support" on Trello ;-)15:22
Riddellximion: yeah I believe we do use logind although I admit to not really knowing what that means15:33
ximionRiddell: it basically means multiseat support and no ConsoleKit anymore :-)15:34
* Riddell publishes http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=7015:36
ximionkdm in Kubuntu still wants CK, but lightdm seems to be using logind there15:36
yofelRiddell: qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login115:42
yofelhas the suspend calls15:42
mitya57Riddell: link targets for first and second articles look wrong15:43
kubotumitya57 meant: "Riddell: link targets for first and third articles look wrong"15:44
Riddellmitya57: how about now?15:48
Riddellximion: we don't make any changes to support logind, solid detects it automatically (and I believe doesn't use it because of the older version used in ubuntu so we still need to install pm-utils)15:49
mitya57Riddell: first link still points to second article :) (third works now)15:50
yofelRiddell, ximion: not quite, solid asks for the version, systemd-shim doesn't know it, so it gives up15:51
Riddellmitya57: bother these wysiwyg editors, how about now?15:52
mitya57Now it works. That's why I use Markdown :)15:53
ximiona few changes to support logind need to be done in KDE, maybe I can compile a list of that soon - in general, if the display-manager supports logind and CK is not there, KDE 4.11 can use logind (as far as I know)15:54
Riddellother things need ported like policykit-qt I think?15:56
RiddellScottK, yofel : I think ScottK didn't like the version number of the library http://paste.ubuntu.com/6469214/16:00
Riddellbut although it's unusual it's perfectly valid16:00
yofelyeah, that's what I thought too, but he wasn't clear about it16:00
Riddellyofel: so go ahead and upload and I can approve if ScottK doesn't get to it16:00
yofelRiddell: lets just wait a few hours until 95 is done building and someone tested it16:01
ximionbut I have no idea why the Qt thing depends on CK on Ubuntu... Debian and Tanglu don't have that dep ( http://packages.tanglu.org/aequorea/libpolkit-qt-1-1 ), and it also doesn't make sense to me...16:01
yofelI think that's hardcoded backwards compatibility for everything that possibly uses CK as it's not assured to be installed by default anymore16:02
ximion"Add Depends on consolekit, since we're using its D-Bus API. " - yup16:03
Riddelldoes user-manager use it?16:03
yofelit depends on ck at least..16:03
Riddellsame thing, laney added a dependency16:04
Riddellpresumably he had good reason to16:04
Riddellalthough I don't know how he knows16:04
yofelsrc/lib/usersessions.cpp uses org.freedesktop.login1, so it might not actually use it16:07
yofelafiestas: ^16:08
ximionthe polkit-qt dependency on CK is really bad... the dependency is justified...16:11
ximionmaybe I can do something about that later16:12
ximionI wonder how Fedora handles this with a KDM on logind an polkit-qt on CK16:14
yofelrdieter: ^16:15
Riddellpowerdevil is also in this trello card for using consolekit16:16
ximionRiddell: it does?16:23
ximionI've seen https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108407/ going in16:25
ximionthere have been a few other changes too, and powerdevil should only optionally require CK16:27
soee4.11.95 -> trusty status all OK :)16:46
Riddelljussi: tsimpson: here's an out of date database dump if you want to get started http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/1516448_drupal.sql.gz16:50
chillbonjour, j'ai supprimé le lancement automatique de mon bureau et je ne sais pas comment le récuperer, aucun raccourci clavier ne marche excepté ctrl  alt  sup ; quelqu'un aurait une idée?16:50
chillI've deleted the start of my "system" and I can't do nothing from my session, does someone have a solution?16:51
QuintasanRiddell: I fixed it16:52
yofelis someone working on merging phonon from debian?16:53
yofelif not I'll get to it when I'm home16:53
yofel95 installed fine \o/16:53
QuintasanDo you know Java magic yofel?16:53
QuintasanString s1 = "foo";16:54
QuintasanString s2 = "foo";16:54
Quintasanif you do s1 == s2 you get true16:54
Quintasanof you do String s3 = new String("foo") and s1 == s3 you'd get false16:54
Quintasandoes Java compiler make s2 a reference to s1?16:54
shadeslayerdebfx: could you email me the debian dir from simion :P16:55
shadeslayerdebfx: I lost it since I was working on it in /tmp16:55
yofelQuintasan: yes, because it tries to save memory, but that's so unreliable behaviour that you please don't rely on that16:56
Quintasanactually it's homework question but our prof is even more pedantic than -pedantic in gcc16:56
debfxshadeslayer: sure16:57
debfxshadeslayer: http://felix.fobos.de/simon_0.4.1-1.debian.tar.gz16:58
RiddellQuintasan: you shouldn't use == for string comparison in java17:00
shadeslayerone would think there's a std::compare function17:00
RiddellI had to fix that goodness knows how many times in my peers' code at university17:00
QuintasanWell, yes, I do realise that, I was just making sure I wouldn't be talking trash when he asks me why there is no equality.17:00
debfxbecause java17:00
Quintasan-pedantic switch is less pedantic than he is, miss one word and you are already in the wrong on his classes17:01
manchicken11mi up, 11mi down.17:01
Quintasandebfx: Whilst I like that as a general explanation it won't work in that case :P17:01
debfxwell java doesn't do operator overloading and doesn't have much special handling for String so you have to call an equals function17:03
Quintasansomebody should kill him for code formatting17:04
Riddellshadeslayer: let's do this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isKwOCyKdfk17:06
QuintasanI want a movie of shadeslayer doing this Riddell :D17:06
shadeslayerI definitely can't do that17:07
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1254473] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: short read ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254473 (by Lesha Ogonkov)17:14
manchickenRiddell: Do you need help with these Perl packages? I'm not seeing build logs, so I'm not sure how to help.17:18
Riddellmanchicken: looks like it's all built now17:19
Riddellwas just dependencies being fiddly17:19
manchickenok, cool17:19
manchickenI kept seeing failures, so I wasn't sure what was up.17:20
Riddellmanchicken: look at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.95_trusty.html17:20
Riddellit's all compiled but there may still be some issues in the yellow bits which need fixed17:20
Riddellif nothing else you can work out why the kubuntu-automation script doesn't ignore the "CMake Warning (dev)" variable as I told it to17:21
manchickenGeez, I'm still pretty weak with CMake. Most of my interaction with CMake is trial-and-error :)17:21
Riddellit's actually pthon17:22
RiddellI added it to all in cmake-ignore.json17:22
manchickenOkay, cool.17:22
manchickenI can never get those build logs to load.17:22
manchickenDid you see my monologue about contains() methods in QApt::SourcesList last night?17:23
Riddelland added all to kubuntu-ppa-build-status but it doesn't work17:23
Riddellmanchicken: no I didn't17:27
Riddellbut I'm not sure I can comment much I've never looked at qapt for more than a minute17:27
manchickenRiddell: The check for that variable is kinda weak, it looks like it's only catching it if the dependency line starts with "CMake Warning (dev)"17:39
manchickenAnd the regular expression which grabs dependencies there would totally match space characters.17:40
manchickenIt's a greedy dot.17:40
Riddellbut the lines do start with that don't they?17:43
Riddellhow does this look? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/feature-tour-new  should be the same as https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/feature-tou17:43
shadeslayermanchicken: yofel fixed the policy17:43
Riddellhow does this look? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/feature-tour-new  should be the same as https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/feature-tour17:43
shadeslayerso that it doesn't show the warning17:43
Riddellhow does this look? https://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour-new  should be the same as https://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour17:43
manchickenK. I'll disregard that then :)17:44
debfxRiddell: cmake-ignore.json only allows you to ignore option build-dependencies17:49
Riddelldebfx: optional build-dependencies?17:50
debfxah, yes17:53
debfxRiddell: I've pushed a new revision to kubuntu-automation. could you re-run the build status script with that?18:06
Riddelldebfx: running18:10
shadeslayerRiddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pntgvhncw18:10
debfxlooks more green now :)18:19
debfxbut still a circular dependency in kdepim :(18:23
debfxoh launchpad with your build tools from the 90s: contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz in the build log18:26
ScottKRiddell and yofel: It wasn't just the version number.  It was the fact that there were two .so files in there, one empty and the library seemed generally messed up.18:38
ScottKIt may be theoretically OK, but I don't think the build system dealt with it correctly.18:39
ScottKshadeslayer: What's up with your kde-dev-utils upload?18:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: so, actually ldtp testing seems very straight forward19:33
apacheloggerexcept that for some reason kde apps actually propagate dbus interfaces that they then do not offer19:34
apacheloggermaking ldtp explode because it resolves by name which requires it to iter all objects of a window, so it then falls into a not provided dbus interface and throws an exception19:37
* Mamarok wonders when we will get the new ponon packages...19:40
* apachelogger does too and makes grumpy face19:42
debfxshould have mentioned that 2 days earlier19:53
apacheloggeronly mentioned it like 10 times19:55
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1254473] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: short read ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254473 (by Lesha Ogonkov)20:26
yofelScottK: that was missing a build-dep that seemed to be new suddenly (toolchain change while we were working on .80?) - in any case, it's fixed in ninjas .9520:37
yofelScottK: and for marble, I don't know what the archive builders did, but for me the package had .so.17 as a symlink to .so.16.80 which looks fine20:37
yofelRiddell: feature-tour looks nice, but could you please add a bit of margin to the content so it's not glued to the left border?20:42
yofelRiddell: actually content is wrong, it shouldn't show kopete20:43
yofelapachelogger, Mamarok: I'll work on merging phonon 4.720:56
yofelor well, xnox took care of that20:57
yofelthanks :)20:57
soeeyofel, 4.12 b3 backport maybe ? :)20:57
yofelI guess I could start on that21:02
yofelkubotu: newversion calligra 2.7.521:18
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1254527] System bell randomly doesn't work after login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1254527 (by Graeme Hewson)21:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: ldtp testing?22:09
shadeslayerScottK: known issue, needs libiberty-dev, fixed in 4.11.95 ( oddly it built fine in the PPA )22:12
Riddellyofel: yes I'm still to update the content22:13
Riddelljust moving it out of the theme for now22:13
yofelRiddell: uh, it *is* out of the theme?22:17
yofelRiddell: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/252/edit?destination=admin%2Fcontent%2Fnode%3Fpage%3D1 is the current feature-tour22:19
Riddellhmm so the copy in the theme is obsolete I guess22:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: accessibility foo22:26
apacheloggerRiddell: we have too many cards, I think we need a scoring system22:47
shadeslayerRiddell: fyi I'm still up and am in the lobby downstaris23:18
shadeslayerRiddell: and there are a bunch of brits on my right23:18
apacheloggeryofel: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/157525425/buildlog.txt.gz any thoughts on that?23:36
yofelnot really, another python2.5 <-> format 0.4 bug?23:38
shadeslayerapachelogger: oSource: project-neon5-plasma-nm23:39
shadeslayerextra 'o'23:39
apacheloggershadeslayer: can you fix that plz, no keys with me23:40
yofeloh ^^23:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: re ldtp , lets take the case of the oxygen-gtk3 scrolling bug23:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: how do you propose to check if the view actually scrolled23:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: yofel you're missing the snow23:42
shadeslayerthe snow!!!23:42
shadeslayerkubotu: weather munich23:42
apacheloggerapparenlty there's going to be snow here too tomorrow23:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: not sure if ldtp can do it but you should be able to query all sorts of properties from an object23:43
apacheloggeramong those probably is the slider position23:43
apacheloggerthough IMHO the correct approach is to have a specific oxygen-gtk test app23:43
apacheloggerand if one cannot get the position property it would simply have a signal on dbus then23:43
shadeslayerk gonna look at ldtp23:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: fixed and asked for a rebuild23:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: <323:44
apacheloggerregarding ldtp ... first someone needs to talk to fregl23:44
apacheloggermuch less use if kded apps make ldtp fall over dead xD23:44
shadeslayerldtp page says KDE is support23:45
apacheloggerit may have worked at some point :P23:45
apacheloggernot even sure why it fails, but it seems to be a bug in qt-at-spi23:45
apacheloggermaybe it's incorrectly exposing an object that it then cannot serialize to the at-spi23:45
shadeslayerbugs can be fixed by poking fregl with a long fluffy stick23:46
apacheloggeror maybe one must force the kde accessibility bridge, no clue though, I haven't looked at the qt bits23:46
apacheloggerI can post my demo test for gammaray tomorrow though23:46
apacheloggerthat all needs to be mostly an upstream effort anyway23:47
soeethere should be some promotional video for each Kubuntu release :)23:47
apacheloggere.g. amarok needs to maintain amarok test cases, there's no point if we throw nonexistant resources at it23:47
soeesomething like 4-5 min system presentation23:47
apacheloggersoee: there should be someone who makes that23:47
shadeslayer^^ Trying to enable tests in kde4libs23:48
soeeapachelogger, considering that :)23:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: true23:48
apacheloggerphonon test cases could be implemented as ldtp tests ;)23:49
* shadeslayer might look at implementing ldtp tests for KTP23:49
apacheloggeractually those would be semi-nice examples because they are mostly very short and easy to check the results on23:49
apacheloggerplus async, so that's covered as well23:50
shadeslayerthoughts on the kdelibs tests? especially kdeui-kmainwindow_unittest23:50
apacheloggermail kde-core-devel23:50
apacheloggerkdeui may well be a setup/requirement problem23:51
apacheloggersince those likely require some fakex thing23:51
shadeslayerwell, not sure how, I run the tests under xvfb23:51
apachelogger   Actual (mw2.size()): QSize(640x480)23:51
apachelogger   Expected (QSize(800, 600)): QSize(800x600)23:51
apacheloggerthat sounds like wrong test tbh xD23:51
shadeslayerOTOH xvfb-run might be using some other geometry23:51
apacheloggerif that made problems it'd be a bug in the test23:52
shadeslayerdon't see how, it could easily be that the test expects a certain screen resolution ?23:53
shadeslayer( OTOH that sounds like a poorly written test then )23:53
apacheloggerthat's my point23:54
shadeslayerworks if I run xvfb as 1440x90023:54
apacheloggerin theory you should be able to runa  test on 1x123:54
apacheloggerassuming a test wants to resize up and resize down xD23:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: still worth asking23:55
shadeslayerputting on my todo23:55
apacheloggerI think the minimum supported resolution was 800x600 even in KDE 3 so it may be that the xvfb res is wrong23:56
shadeslayerhave to ask bcooksley about the test setup on jenkins23:56
shadeslayeryofel: since you're running 4.11.95, does kwallet create a empty wallet now?23:59

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